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Microsoft's Consent-or-Die Patent

theodp writes "Maybe you shouldn't get too attached to those new Windows Live services. On Tuesday, the USPTO granted Microsoft a patent for privacy policy change notification, which describes how to threaten users with the loss of their accounts and access to web sites and services should they refuse to consent to changes in a privacy policy. This includes the case where a user might object to allowing personal information, collected earlier with a promise of confidentiality, to be shared in the future with third parties. Also described is a 'Never Notify Me' option so you won't have to 'worry' over privacy policy changes."

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  1. What is this, anyway? by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they're trying to outdo Google by embracing a "Don't be Good" motto?

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    1. Re:What is this, anyway? by WED+Fan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I've got one mod point left. And instead of using it, I'm posting here to let you know that I'd use it on you had I not decided to post to this topic.

      But, in the end, you weren't compelling enough.

      I was looking for more substance, something that I could use around the water-cooler later this morning. I wanted something that would just hit me at my very core and tell me that, "Yes, all of America is summed up in that very statement, and FlyByPC has his finger on the very pulse of the nation."

      Instead, I feel like the prom date, who gets up to the front porch at the end of the evening and gets a handshake and a "I had a nice time."

      Am I asking too much?

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    2. Re:What is this, anyway? by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You raise a good point - the point could be to prevent this from becoming a common practice.

      It does, however, raise two interesting points:

      1) The current ridiculousness of the patent system. The patent system is intended to stimulate innovation by protecting useful ideas. If you're right, this is an attempt to stop a certain kind of behavior by a large company. Isn't that what the legislature is for?

      2) If you're going to trust your data to a third party by keeping it online only, make SURE you have the right to retrieve it without entering into further agreements.

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    3. Re:What is this, anyway? by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't like the word evil; it polarises the mind into thinking there is a 'side' of Evil


      There is. To deny that is to embrace relativism, which precludes any possibility of weighing one's actions according to a moral standard.

      I agree with you that rich is not evil. Wealth is amoral, neither being rich nor being poor makes one good or evil. That doesn't mean there's no evil.
  2. And the award... by gzerphey · · Score: 3, Funny

    And the award for most dramatic Slashdot headline goes to...

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  3. You won't die. by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless your pacemaker is hooked up to a Microsoft Website, loss of access to a web-site or even an e-mail account probably won't kill you.

    1. Re:You won't die. by Reverend528 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If your pacemaker is hooked up to a microsoft website, you're probably already dead.

    2. Re:You won't die. by Renraku · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Your pacemaker couldn't be verified by Windows Genuine Advantage. Please contact your Microsoft representative to acquire a legal licence. Pacing has been disabled."

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  4. Good by thetagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

    1. Re:Good by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

            No, it just means they will sue your pants off if you are more unethical than they are.

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    2. Re:Good by muellerr1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

      No, it just means they will sue your pants off if you are more unethical than they are.
      If you are more unethical than they are, your pants are probably already off.
  5. Me? Personally, I've caved, again and again. by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember how Amazon once had a very nice, simple, policy, something like "we never share any of your information with third parties." And then one fine day, they changed it to something "we'll share any information we have about you with third parties, but only with third parties that we think are really good and have something of real value to offer you."

    I hate myself for it, but I've kept using Amazon because, well, darn it, they're convenient and inexpensive and efficient.

    Dave Barry once commented that he now has to drive ten miles to buy anything, because he realized that over the years there wasn't a single business within ten miles of which he hadn't said at one time or another "I'll never patronize them again."

    1. Re:Me? Personally, I've caved, again and again. by SCHecklerX · · Score: 3, Informative
      On the rare occasions that I need to mail order rather than use the local bike shop, I love Speedgoat's privacy policy: http://www.speedgoat.com/aboutus-privacy.asp

      Our Plain-English Privacy Policy
      If you think you receive a lot of junk mail, you should see how much crap an on-line business gets every day! We're people here at Speedgoat, not a corporation, and we hate spam as much as you do (probably more), so we keep any and all correspondence you have with us to ourselves. Why is this so important? We live in a sneaky world filled with sleazy marketing techniques that count on complacency and a lack of knowledge. Ever wonder why you're receiving all that junk mail? Unfortunately, a number of businesses are in the habit of selling off your personal information. Even the friendly neighborhood grocery store is profiling you with each bleep of the product scanner.

      Rather than hire an attorney to draft a 20 page privacy policy, we'll just keep it simple. Speedgoat Bicycles does not, and will not make any customer information available to any outside companies, organizations or individuals, period. We do not, and will not, sell customer information, and we will not reveal specific custom bicycle pricing. As on-line shoppers ourselves, we value your trust in us, and we respect your privacy.


      Pretty refreshing to see that a smaller business 'gets it'.
  6. Re:Well, if you don't like the privacy policy... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is a "big deal" because software as a service is a "big deal." People are starting to rely on web apps; imagine if I could stop you from using a desktop app at a moment's notice because of a privacy policy change.

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  7. A digital heart plug by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Reminds me of the heart plug in the movie Dune.
    "Don't be angry. Everyone gets one here."
    One twist by a Microsoft cubical creep and all your data drains out.

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  8. Re:Well, if you don't like the privacy policy... by TheSpatulaOfLove · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you're wrong there. Isn't the point of Slashdot to report the news? Isn't it the job of the technically elite to keep an eye on mega corporations, making sure no ugly things happen to the rights of the many?

    If technically elite do not watch out for everyone else, then we all get what we deserve.

  9. Re:Unenforceable in many states by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The EU does not allow software patents, so this would be an illegal patent. There is no equivalent to the Berne Convention for patents, however, so the question is moot. That said, there is nothing stopping you from patenting an illegal activity, but since you can't make use of it then it's basically just a way of paying the government some money. You could, for example, patent a method for increasing the yield of opium plants, but you would not be able to do anything with this in the USA unless you spent a lot of money on lobbying.

    (IANALTINLA)

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  10. Re:Well, if you don't like the privacy policy... by Sunburnt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps these people should think twice before relying on a service that they have no control over whatsoever.

    Perhaps some other people should point out these concerns to those people, who probably have enough going on in their lives to not contemplate their legal status with regard to their computer applications.

    Perhaps these other people could have a website that aggregates stories pointing out such examples of corporate buggery, and that provides a forum for folks to discuss them. Perhaps they could get enough exposure to occasionally penetrate the online public's consciousness.

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  11. Think of the adults! by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OMGWTFBBQ iNnoCenT CusTomeRz ar3 bEinG sCrew3d over by eV1l cOrp0rAtionz!!11 THiNk oF t3h c0nsUmErs!!

    Sigh...

    1. If you don't like the service or the TOS that comes with it, don't use it.
    2. If you are worried that a service you previously liked would change it TOS and make your data inaccessible should you refuse it, keep backup of the data.
    3. If you are afraid of being led to a new TOS through vendor lock-in, take preventive measures to ensure a smooth rollover to another provided should something go wrong.
    4. If you are worried a TOS may have something you are not willing to accept, actually take time to read it before clicking "Next". If you don't understand something, there are a lot of places online where you can discuss a TOS and get a legal-to-human translation of it, especially TOSs of big corporations.
    5. If you don't follow any of the above points, only blame yourself when you get screwed over.

    As much as companies want to, they can't (legally) FORCE you to allow them to use your data for anything if you didn't accept the TOS. Especially now that courts upheld the law that companies must obtain consent before continuing to provide service with a modified TOS. Companies can mislead you, try to mask the truth, entice you with BS offers, sweet-talk you, downplay the entire thing, block you from using their services (or even access to your data)... But they can't FORCE you to play by their rules.

    As a consumer, you have the ultimate power to affect corporate decisions - either use their service or don't. Those who whine about how bad/unethical a particular service is, but keep using it, are hypocrites, not to mention stupid, and fully deserve whatever consequences they get from being sheep.

    For the rest of us, there is a good amount of viable alternatives to be able to drop one provider for the favor of another at (almost) a moment's notice, but iff the basic rules above are being followed. If not, then, as I said, blame nobody but yourself when you have "no choice" but to be the company's data slave.

    And can we, FFS, stop protecting the "innocent consumers" who get screwed over by evil corporations due to their stupidity? Seriously, this is worse than the "think of the children" mentality - at least you could argue that children are too young to think for themselves - but adults should really know better. Let people get what they deserve.

  12. Good thing... by kabloom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good thing they've patented this technology. Now nobody else can use it.

  13. Would it be legal? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
    Supposing I make a TShirt that says, "By looking at this T-Shirt you agree not to sleep with me. However I am free to change the terms of the contract, and agree that you don't have to notified of any change I make to this policy." and then ... you can imagine the rest.

    Your Honor, I plead not guilty to the charges, as it was consensual. As per my consent notification system (defense exhibit A, the T-Shirt) and my consent management system, it is very clear that I have implied consent of the plaintiff.

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