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Microsoft's Consent-or-Die Patent

theodp writes "Maybe you shouldn't get too attached to those new Windows Live services. On Tuesday, the USPTO granted Microsoft a patent for privacy policy change notification, which describes how to threaten users with the loss of their accounts and access to web sites and services should they refuse to consent to changes in a privacy policy. This includes the case where a user might object to allowing personal information, collected earlier with a promise of confidentiality, to be shared in the future with third parties. Also described is a 'Never Notify Me' option so you won't have to 'worry' over privacy policy changes."

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  1. What is this, anyway? by FlyByPC · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...they're trying to outdo Google by embracing a "Don't be Good" motto?

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    1. Re:What is this, anyway? by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't like the word evil; it polarises the mind into thinking there is a 'side' of Evil


      There is. To deny that is to embrace relativism, which precludes any possibility of weighing one's actions according to a moral standard.

      I agree with you that rich is not evil. Wealth is amoral, neither being rich nor being poor makes one good or evil. That doesn't mean there's no evil.
  2. Good by thetagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

    1. Re:Good by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

            No, it just means they will sue your pants off if you are more unethical than they are.

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    2. Re:Good by muellerr1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have patented an unethical behaviour. Does that mean it will be harder for other people to do what the patent describes? Please?

      No, it just means they will sue your pants off if you are more unethical than they are.
      If you are more unethical than they are, your pants are probably already off.
  3. Me? Personally, I've caved, again and again. by dpbsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember how Amazon once had a very nice, simple, policy, something like "we never share any of your information with third parties." And then one fine day, they changed it to something "we'll share any information we have about you with third parties, but only with third parties that we think are really good and have something of real value to offer you."

    I hate myself for it, but I've kept using Amazon because, well, darn it, they're convenient and inexpensive and efficient.

    Dave Barry once commented that he now has to drive ten miles to buy anything, because he realized that over the years there wasn't a single business within ten miles of which he hadn't said at one time or another "I'll never patronize them again."

  4. Re:Well, if you don't like the privacy policy... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is a "big deal" because software as a service is a "big deal." People are starting to rely on web apps; imagine if I could stop you from using a desktop app at a moment's notice because of a privacy policy change.

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  5. Re:You won't die. by Reverend528 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If your pacemaker is hooked up to a microsoft website, you're probably already dead.

  6. Re:Well, if you don't like the privacy policy... by Sunburnt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps these people should think twice before relying on a service that they have no control over whatsoever.

    Perhaps some other people should point out these concerns to those people, who probably have enough going on in their lives to not contemplate their legal status with regard to their computer applications.

    Perhaps these other people could have a website that aggregates stories pointing out such examples of corporate buggery, and that provides a forum for folks to discuss them. Perhaps they could get enough exposure to occasionally penetrate the online public's consciousness.

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  7. Think of the adults! by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OMGWTFBBQ iNnoCenT CusTomeRz ar3 bEinG sCrew3d over by eV1l cOrp0rAtionz!!11 THiNk oF t3h c0nsUmErs!!

    Sigh...

    1. If you don't like the service or the TOS that comes with it, don't use it.
    2. If you are worried that a service you previously liked would change it TOS and make your data inaccessible should you refuse it, keep backup of the data.
    3. If you are afraid of being led to a new TOS through vendor lock-in, take preventive measures to ensure a smooth rollover to another provided should something go wrong.
    4. If you are worried a TOS may have something you are not willing to accept, actually take time to read it before clicking "Next". If you don't understand something, there are a lot of places online where you can discuss a TOS and get a legal-to-human translation of it, especially TOSs of big corporations.
    5. If you don't follow any of the above points, only blame yourself when you get screwed over.

    As much as companies want to, they can't (legally) FORCE you to allow them to use your data for anything if you didn't accept the TOS. Especially now that courts upheld the law that companies must obtain consent before continuing to provide service with a modified TOS. Companies can mislead you, try to mask the truth, entice you with BS offers, sweet-talk you, downplay the entire thing, block you from using their services (or even access to your data)... But they can't FORCE you to play by their rules.

    As a consumer, you have the ultimate power to affect corporate decisions - either use their service or don't. Those who whine about how bad/unethical a particular service is, but keep using it, are hypocrites, not to mention stupid, and fully deserve whatever consequences they get from being sheep.

    For the rest of us, there is a good amount of viable alternatives to be able to drop one provider for the favor of another at (almost) a moment's notice, but iff the basic rules above are being followed. If not, then, as I said, blame nobody but yourself when you have "no choice" but to be the company's data slave.

    And can we, FFS, stop protecting the "innocent consumers" who get screwed over by evil corporations due to their stupidity? Seriously, this is worse than the "think of the children" mentality - at least you could argue that children are too young to think for themselves - but adults should really know better. Let people get what they deserve.

  8. Good thing... by kabloom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good thing they've patented this technology. Now nobody else can use it.

  9. Would it be legal? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
    Supposing I make a TShirt that says, "By looking at this T-Shirt you agree not to sleep with me. However I am free to change the terms of the contract, and agree that you don't have to notified of any change I make to this policy." and then ... you can imagine the rest.

    Your Honor, I plead not guilty to the charges, as it was consensual. As per my consent notification system (defense exhibit A, the T-Shirt) and my consent management system, it is very clear that I have implied consent of the plaintiff.

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