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Amazon DRM-Free Music Store Goes Beta

LowSNR writes "Amazon this morning moved their DRM-free music store into open beta. According to the release, 'Since all our digital music downloads are DRM-free, you can play them on anything that plays mp3s including PCs, Macs(tm), iPods(tm), Zunes(tm), Zens(tm), iPhones(tm), RAZRs(tm), and BlackBerrys. Plus, our Amazon MP3 Downloader application makes it easy to add your downloads to iTunes(tm) and Windows Media Player(tm), so you can sync up your devices or burn your music to CD hassle-free.' Not to mention Linux." Of course, without DRM few of the major labels play with them.

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  1. Store in beta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if while testing I get some music for free, do I have to return it?

    1. Re:Store in beta? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but they charge a 20% restocking fee.

    2. Re:Store in beta? by nickj6282 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah but 0.20 * $0.00 = $0.00 No problem!

  2. True, however ... by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course, without DRM few of the major labels play with them. That may be true but why not view this as a way to stick it to iTunes and other music services? Everyone on this site has been complaining about wanting an alternative way to get DRM free music so they can stop paying money to a broken, defective by design system known as DRM. Now put your money where your mouth is and rid yourself of iTunes. The music selection may not be as great but if everyone moves, you can make a difference. Not to mention this is probably the best thing to happen to unsigned artists looking to make some quick easy cash even though it may not be much.
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    1. Re:True, however ... by lexarius · · Score: 5, Informative

      iTunes happily offers non-DRM songs (with higher bitrate, for 30 cents extra). Problem: Labels don't want to. The only problem that record companies have with iTunes is that Apple doesn't let them set prices however they like. Apple is, as usual, a bit of a control freak here, but I think we've seen that record companies shouldn't be trusted with things like setting prices on music.

    2. Re:True, however ... by heelrod · · Score: 5, Funny

      But (tm), can (tm) we (tm) really (tm) do (tm) anything (tm) without (tm) Lawyers (tm) ? (tm)

    3. Re:True, however ... by EggyToast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I believe he means non-iPod, and a player that actually has good features. Showing up as a mass storage device is nice, but if the only thing it lets you do is simply copy files back & forth, that means that *all* of the organization is handled by the player. Thus, the interface and features are of the utmost importance. Or they need to support some music library tool that's available for Linux. Or the user has to have very basic portable music needs.

    4. Re:True, however ... by RDW · · Score: 5, Informative

      'Everyone on this site has been complaining about wanting an alternative way to get DRM free music so they can stop paying money to a broken, defective by design system known as DRM. Now put your money where your mouth is and rid yourself of iTunes.'

      Sounds good! And I just spotted an album I want at about half the UK CD/iTunes price. But then I clicked on the T&C and got:

      '5. Territorial Restrictions

      As required by our Digital Content providers, Digital Content will, unless otherwise designated, be available only to customers located in the United States.'

      Cheers. If I'm lucky it'll soon be available on this side of the pond at the usual 1 USD = 1 GBP exchange rate for 'digital content'...

    5. Re:True, however ... by Kandenshi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Perhaps he means something that plays well with Amarok? According to their website there are plugins available for various media players... And they claim to work well with "the following digital music players: iPod, iRiver iFP, Creative NOMAD, Creative Zen, MTP, Rio Karma and USB devices with VFAT (generic MP3 players) support."
      *shrug* Seems this might be what he meant.

    6. Re:True, however ... by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's already been DRM free music for quite a while. People like to complain that the music isn't available online without DRM, but aren't willing to vote with their wallet, and stop buying music from bands and labels that require DRM to download songs. Currently I get all my music from eMusic. It doesn't have everything I want, but it does have a lot of good music. I'd rather have music for about $3-$5 an album, than have to put up with DRM'd files, or paying $15 for a single album on CD.

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    7. Re:True, however ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah! You set up that strawman, and you knocked it clean over with that blast of righteous indignation. You go girl!

    8. Re:True, however ... by haystor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or buy a gift certificate with the credit card, then use that to buy the music using any shipping address at all.

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    9. Re:True, however ... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cheers. If I'm lucky it'll soon be available on this side of the pond at the usual 1 USD = 1 GBP exchange rate for 'digital content'...

      Shipping costs, ya know. :)

    10. Re:True, however ... by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Finding the song(s) you want out of the aforementioned few hundred files and saving them as a playlist in a way that doesn't make you want to punch a baby?

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    11. Re:True, however ... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As soon as they call a cease-fire in the loudness war, I'll start buying mainstream media again. Until then, I'm stuck paying twice as much for the rare releases on SACD/DVD-A/vinyl. Even then you have to be careful because sometimes you'll end up with basically a rip from a CD onto a hi-def format. And I still regularly buy CDs that were mixed pre-2000. Even a -9 dB RMS isn't horrible, as long as it's not clipped.

      Beyond that, I'll never buy a lossy format now that lossless exists. We have the bandwidth, we have the space. That shit should be give-aways. If I have to spend a couple hours to get the track into a somewhat tenable state, I'm not paying. Until they offer something I'm willing to pay for, I'm going to keep stealing, as much as possible, while still supporting my preferred formats. I hope they're right about MP3s killing CD sales. The idea of the recording industry eating itself amuses me to no end, after they nearly convinced me that I don't like music anymore with their fatiguing, over-compressed, horribly clipped masters. That said, I'll gladly pay for well-mastered music. Provided I actually like it of course. Nothing against indie bands, but I generally prefer more polished music, and the few places you can find lossless DRM-free downloads is, well, just not the music I'm looking for.

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    12. Re:True, however ... by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Control. Apple obsesses over the "user experience" and wants control over everything from pricing to marketing to bundling to the choice of album art. This frightens the labels; if iTunes already does much of the labels' work for them, they may decide to cut out the middleman entirely. The labels have been afraid of becoming obsolete for years now, so they do their best to keep the retail market as fragmented and easy to control as possible; punishing whoever sells too much (or worse, tries to think for themselves) and throwing bones to the weakest. As long as the retailers are relatively weak and afraid of losing their market to the competition, the labels can maintain control.

      The labels would probably dump online retailers and sell the music themselves, except that it would open up an antitrust can of worms. That, and it would also involve real work on their part...

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    13. Re:True, however ... by tfoss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What I find odd, is that of the small sample I just checked on, there are lots of songs that Amazon has DRM-free that iTMS has, but not DRM-free. Lots of small labels seem to not have their catalogs DRM-free on iTunes...I wonder why that is?

      -Ted

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    14. Re:True, however ... by Reaperducer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This frightens the labels; if iTunes already does much of the labels' work for them, they may decide to cut out the middleman entirely. The labels have been afraid of becoming obsolete for years now
      Think of the iTunes/Starbucks/iPhone/TouchPod as the next step in this evolution.

      Apple's iTunes cut the stores and delivery middlemen out of the process.
      Starbucks started its own label and signed some pretty big names to it, cutting out the traditional big record companies.
      Then the wireless free iPhone/iPod Touch iTunes Store drives the nail into their chests by letting people load up their music players WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO OWN A COMPUTER, opening it up to millions more people.

      I know a number of fashionistas who don't have the time/interest/hardware necessary to load up their iPods with music, so they give them to someone else who does it for them either for free (if it's a friend) or for a couple of bucks. There are even some small companies that have formed to perform this service. Now even that step is no longer necessary.

      Game over for the record companies.
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  3. " Zunes" by evwah · · Score: 5, Funny

    " Zunes"

    don't be so sure... someone would had to have actually BOUGHT one of these in order to make sure they can play mp3s.

    1. Re:" Zunes" by oyenstikker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plural. It would require that _two_ people bought them.

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    2. Re:" Zunes" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You must have forgotten about Microsoft's Zune-only technology, PlaysForSureReallyWeAreTotallyNotKiddingThisTime (tm).

    3. Re:" Zunes" by Sciros · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why not just buy the "natural" (compressed poop) color Zune and a bottle of white-out?

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  4. eMusic by poached · · Score: 5, Informative

    eMusic has been around and has been DRM free. Their selection is probably larger than Amazon's at this point. Best part is when I import the mp3s into iTunes the songs are properly recognized and the album covers are downloaded accordingly. It looks to me that some tests at least goes on there to make sure that it is compatible with iTunes.

    1. Re:eMusic by Basilius · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, the new eMusic Remote downloading software works on Linux. Linux support had been a bit problematical before.

    2. Re:eMusic by garcia · · Score: 4, Informative

      eMusic has been around and has been DRM free. Their selection is probably larger than Amazon's at this point. Best part is when I import the mp3s into iTunes the songs are properly recognized and the album covers are downloaded accordingly. It looks to me that some tests at least goes on there to make sure that it is compatible with iTunes.

      Worst part is that they require a subscription and you can't buy a single track like you apparently can with Amazon without paying for the month. You are correct that their library is limited and while, for now, it seems you must download some sort of application to do mass downloading from Amazon, you can purchase single tracks without it.

      I really don't care for eMusic adding a tagline to your user agent when surfing. I really don't need people knowing which music service I use:

      (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061204 Firefox/2.0.0.1 eMusic DLM/4.0a5_1.0b1"

    3. Re:eMusic by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Informative

      But the advantage is that you can get 30 tracks for $10. If you don't want to spend $10, or download 30 tracks a month, then eMusic may not be for you. But even if you only download 11 tracks for the $10, you still save over the $0.99 music stores like iTunes. I think this is due to the fact that their credit card transaction costs would be too high if you only bought 1 or 2 songs a month. I find that eMusic works well as an addition to the music you usually buy on CD. Because a subscription can be had for as little as $10, it isn't going to break your budget, and you still have money left over to buy music from elsewhere.

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    4. Re:eMusic by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative

      Their selection is probably larger than Amazon's at this point.

      "Larger" only in the most literal sense. eMusic is doesn't have major label support at all, unlike Amazon. If there's a current artist on eMusic, it's only a few quite old, unpopular, out-of-print albums.

      Quick searches for the top artists from Amazon's MP3 service on eMusic turns up crap.

      No albums from NIN, Pink Floyd, Kayne West, etc.
      One 12+ year-old Radiohead album.

      eMusic at best has a couple individual songs via "compilation" albums, but that's about it. Amazon is just a "beta" and it's already got ALL the albums from all these major groups.
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  5. Major Labels? by fishybell · · Score: 4, Informative
    Well let's see...Spoon? check. Apples in Stereo? check. Radiohead, Bowie, Beach Boys? check, check, check. Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Nirvana? all check.


    Hmm...maybe something harder...Neutral Milk Hotel? check. Danielle Dax? aww...so sad, not check. Mongol 800? no...too bad.

    It seems just about everything that I listen to that is available somewhere is available here, so what am I missing? Even better though, if it's not available as an MP3 Amazon redirects me to a cd or vinyl copy. iTunes, etc. don't do that.

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    1. Re:Major Labels? by fishybell · · Score: 4, Informative

      The downloader appears to only be necessary to download entire albums, not individual songs. If you click "Buy MP3 Album" you get the download or cancel purchase page. If you click "Buy MP3" you get a page that recommends you download the downloader (to download the song), but you can click "Skip Installation" and download the file directly.

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  6. Now, if only they could get the price down... by bigtangringo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be all over that, but as it is, their competition is fierce.

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    1. Re:Now, if only they could get the price down... by fishybell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I don't know what you think a fair price should be. Do a search for "50 cent" and you'll see that the prices vary slightly, but are overall pretty good. Either 89 cents or 99 cents per song, albums weigh in at $5.99, $8.99, and $9.99. All of these prices trump are on par with the competition or slightly better. Don't forget a major competition piece: the $16.95 brick and mortar cd price.

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  7. Decent Selection by Scootin159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe I'm not 'mainstream' in what I listen to, but I just checked, and the first 6 albums I could think of were all available there. I really hope this will take off, and then the 'major' music labels will soon feel the threat if they don't offer DRM-free.

  8. 256k mp3s by CottonThePirate · · Score: 5, Informative

    Something that no one has mentioned so far is that these mp3s are 256k bitrate (at least the few I checked). I'm not an audiophile with tubes or anything, but I do think that straight mp3 at 128 sounds off. I for one welcome our new DRM-free music overlords.

    1. Re:256k mp3s by Volanin · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are right.
      From Amazon's MP3 FAQ:

      "Bit Rate: Where possible, we encode our MP3 files using variable bitrates for maximum audio quality and smaller file sizes, aiming at an average of 256 kilobits per second (kbps). Using a variable bitrate allows us to allocate a higher bitrate to the more complex sections of music files while using a smaller bitrate for the less complex sections. The average of these rates is then calculated to produce an average bit rate for the entire file that represents the overall sound quality. Some of our content is encoded using a constant bitrate of 256 kbps. This content will have the same excellent audio quality at a slightly larger file size."

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  9. apple's labels fail too by DreadSpoon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Beatles? Fail.
    Led Zeppelin? Fail.

    Wait, iTunes doesn't have those either, even under DRM. Hmm...

    1. Re:apple's labels fail too by Plekto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course, without DRM few of the major labels play with them.
      ****
      The reality is that 90% of the stuff out there isn't on BMG or one of the few big labels anymore. In any case, it blows a big hole in ITunes. No DRM, cheaper, and a pretty large catalog. I know of several smaller labels that are going to almost certainly stop selling on ITunes as a result.

      All Itunes can do at this point is damage control. It's the old Apple proprietary mentality at work again. And Apple getting burnt again by the cheaper and more open alternatives.

      Oh - the bitrate appears to be 256K. Another plus - it's actually fairly decent quality.

    2. Re:apple's labels fail too by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple had DRM-free music available first, albeit at a higher price and with a better codec. Of course, I don't think they really care about owning the digital download market as long as everyone is DRM-free, but they're in a good position to compete.

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    3. Re:apple's labels fail too by Onan · · Score: 2, Informative

      All Itunes can do at this point is damage control.

      Wait, what damage are they controlling? Apple has always been clear about the fact that the itunes music store only breaks even, and that they don't feel that attempting to lock users into their service is a good idea.

      So I'm not really seeing how this hurts Apple. Apple isn't especially invested in people buying songs through itunes (on which they make no money); Apple is interested in people buying ipods (on which they do make money), and sometimes through that being convinced to buy macs (on which they make even more).

      People will continue to purchase ipods because they're good devices, and will continue to sometimes be swayed to macs because of that. If those people are playing Amazon-purchased songs on their ipods, so much the better.

  10. Re:89 cents a song....Not bad by nosaj72 · · Score: 3, Informative

    They seem to be high VBR - around 210-260 according to iTunes, and encoded with LAME 3.97

  11. How does it compare? by internic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But this is hardly the first DRM-free music download service. I've used eMusic off and on for years. How does this compare and how does it improve on the other DRM-free services that already exist? In the past, the main complaint about such services was the lack of mainstream music from major labels. Won't this be the same for Amazon's offering?

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    1. Re:How does it compare? by Fireye · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amazon:
      Interface is a bit awkward
      Can't sort search results by column .89/song, $~8-11 per album
      Seemingly large selection of mainstream artists, along with some good Indie action.
      256kbps VBR MP3 (Some report higher bitrates)

      eMusic:
      Interface is great.
      Searches are helpful, recommend artists who are in the same category or are "like" the one you searched for.
      ~.25c/song (Not sure what current rates are, but that's what I pay). You pay for every song in the album the same as if you purchased separate, amazon has a lead here.
      GIGANTIC selection of Indie arists. Some mainstream, but not very much at all.
      192kbps VBR MP3

      My personal opinion of Amazon's setup is, it's really nice. A lot more expensive than I'm used to, but nice. I'll buy a track here or there on Amazon, whereas I'll buy entire albums on eMusic. The increase in bitrate is nice, but not 3-4x as expensive nice.

      I think Amazon could have a big winner here. The prices are competitive, the selection seems quite vast, and it's only the beta. I'd worry about eMusic's future if it takes off.

  12. Re:89 cents a song....Not bad by adpowers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    256 kbps VBR

  13. Discrimination, discrimination I say. by ThomasHoward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It wont work anywhere but the US, I would buy from it, but it seems their attitude towards the rest of the world seems to consist of "no, fuck off".

    Lame, and they need to fix it, but anyhow.

    1. Re:Discrimination, discrimination I say. by soliptic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Some of us actually WANT to pay the musicians, composers, lyricists, songwriters, engineers, producers and other creative and hard working individuals behind our most valued form of entertainment.

      Radical concept on slashdot, I know...

  14. Download Manager by LMacG · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to a response on the Washington Post blog post about this, the download manager is required for album downloads, although not for single tracks. And ... "In addition, the download manager only works on XP, Vista, and Mac OS X 10.4 (or higher)." Unfortunately, I can't get to the Amazon site to check right now.

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    1. Re:Download Manager by Guttata · · Score: 4, Informative

      I use Linux almost exclusively, and I checked it out. Initially I feared that to buy a whole album, I'd either have to wait for a Linux version of the download manager, or I would have to pay extra by downloading tracks individually. Luckily, it appears that the download manager works fine under Wine (although it tries to launch iTunes after the download, and that fails somewhat gracefully). I end up with my music in a directory under ~/Amazon\ MP3. BTW, looking at the file with xxd, it appears the files are encoded with Lame 3.97.

    2. Re:Download Manager by mystik · · Score: 2, Informative

      Someone mentioned wine works, so I'll try that, but I used vmware to snag the albums @ the lower price.

      The utility is silly, when you buy an album you get a .amz file which appears to be a base64 blob, that directs the utility to download all the rest of the files. The utility then immeidatly deletes the .amz file and proceeds to download them in sequence.

      I dunno why they couldn't throw together a simple little java app to let other platforms download.

      But, yeay! DRM free MP3's. I can deal with this rather than a integrated store/player that takes away features at every upgrade... *cough*itunes*cough*

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  15. Good selection of classical music, I think. by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a quick look at how much music by Sibelius I can find, and it's over 200 albums, which, I think, is eccellent.

    Nothing by the less-known composers like Wilhelm Friedemann Bach (the more talented son of J. S. Bach) but still, pretty satisfactory.

    Sh*t - and just when I decided to save up some money for next summer.

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  16. Re:89 cents a song....Not bad by jZnat · · Score: 2, Informative

    So they're using the same encoding scheme that eMusic (and some other online music stores) use: lame --preset standard (or fast standard). That's excellent news.

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  17. Re:downloader mandatory for albums only? by nevali · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The software doesn't have to tell Amazon anything, by virtue of you, um, buying stuff on the site, it already knows what you like, just like when you buy anything else from Amazon.

  18. Top 100 by markg11cdn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Top 100 tracks http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dmusic/digital-music-track are $0.89 each. I only had to go down to #17 to find one that I recognize (but wouldn't buy) - Blondie/Heart of Glass. A few steps down at #21 I found one to buy, Floyd/Comfortably Numb. All the other tracks (not top-100) on the double album are $0.99 or you can get all 26 tracks for $8.99. All 256 kbps non-drm'd files. This is how music buying should have been from day one.

  19. Wine by ShedPlant · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Amazon MP3 Downloader installs and (seems to) run fine on Linux with wine. However, since I can't provide a USA billing address, I haven't been able to purchase an album and see if it downloads.

    Still, cool :) . I expect they'll bring this to Amazon worldwide soon.

    1. Re:Wine by Guttata · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am in the US, and I used the Amazon MP3 Downloader under Wine. It does indeed work just fine, with the odd peculiar function of trying to launch iTunes post-download, which fails but it does download the MP3's just fine.

  20. Re: Useful, Only If You're A Resident Of the U.S.A by ScottAS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    EldavoJohn I agree with your comment regarding the fact that un-signed musicians are now able to advertise their content via Amazon.Com's Online Store however there are also many other vectors which are able to be used to promote un-signed artists, of which include Jamendo.Com; although the file format used is primarily an OGG file format, a format which multiple multimedia applications, of which include Microsoft Windows Media Player 11 and Apple iTunes are unable to process without the installation of an additional codec. Amazon.Com has become a serious consideration however it's a pity that that Online Store is only available to residents of the United States Of America, and, being a resident of the United Kingdom, I'm unable to use it. Until the Online Store is available in the United Kingdom, I will continue to perouse Jamendo.Com. http://www.jamendo.com/ - Jamendo.Com - Open Your Ears

  21. Cross platform! by no_opinion · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've purchased from the store on both the Mac and the PC and have to say it's a breeze to use. If you buy an album they've got a download manager for both platforms. Once that's installed, it's dead simple to buy & download. Somehow I've already spent $45... Seems much better than the competition. And no, I don't work for Amazon, I'm just a fan of the legitimate MP3 store. Good job, guys!

  22. Re:MP3s are great but what about FLAC? by contrapunctus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hate to just add a me too-post. But I agree.

    While owning the physical CD is not as important (for me), the quality is. For example, I wish magnatune had a broader selection since they let you basically download an image of the CD (most of my favorite early music ensembles are not on there). The only way I'll ever use these services if I can get at least CD quality tracks.

  23. Re:downloader mandatory for albums only? by blurfus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True that!

    But my preferences may very well go beyond the stuff I purchase (which, as you stated correctly, I need to login for) and the stuff I 'browse' (as AC or w/o logging into the site). Hence why I thought it could become spyware!

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  24. This works outside the US by Gossi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, it says US only, but I'm in the UK and I just purchased a song. When you are asked to confirm your billing address, put in a dummy US address. I used this:

    "
    1 Infinite Loop
    New York
    Cupertino, CA 95014
    "

    (Apple's US headquarters address - it's valid).

    When asked for your phone number, put in your full international dialing number.

    Result? It works. Raw MP3 downloads. Legal. I'm using a Mac, and it works fine with Firefox, Safari and with my iPod and on iTunes.

    1. Re:This works outside the US by Snowgen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Result? It works. Raw MP3 downloads. Legal.

      Provided that your definition of legal means "obtained in violation of the terms of service and by providing fraudulent information to bypass the compliance checks."

    2. Re:This works outside the US by rkanodia · · Score: 4, Funny

      1 Infinite Loop
      New York
      Cupertino, CA 95014

      Look's like it's not just Americans who can't be bothered to learn geography.
    3. Re:This works outside the US by Petrushka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Violating terms of service is not illegal. It merely gives the other party grounds for voiding the contract (and/or litigation, if it's serious enough to make it worthwhile ... and you're both in the same country).

    4. Re:This works outside the US by Gossi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what my invoice from Apple.com for iTunes says at the top of the email. I used their (Apple's) corporate address - somehow they added New York to it. For serious. Yes, I use the same thing for the US iTunes store, and purchase US iTunes gift vouchers to redeem to access the US TV and movie content. Also works from the UK.

  25. Re:Haha - Bill Gates and the Rolling Stones by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bill Gates paid $12 Million for the right to use "Start Me Up" to use with Windows.

    From the "Top 100 Best Sellers", I see that Linux users can get it for 89 cents. Nice one :-)

    But seriously, Bill Gates didn't pay $12 Million for "Start Me Up". He paid 89 cents like everyone else.

    What he paid $11,999,999.11 for was the right to leave out the line "You make a grown man cry".
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  26. Tag this... by creativeHavoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Tag this effectivebydesign maybe?

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  27. Other restrictions by pavon · · Score: 2, Informative

    One other thing to note is that their terms of service explicitly state that you are only receiving a license, and there are restrictions on what is allowed by that license. For the most part you can do anything that would be considered fair use, but there are a few exceptions. For example you may not resell the files, or "modify or edit them" even for personal use.

    So you don't have quite as many "rights" as you would buying a CD, but at least they are trusting their customers to follow the law rather than punishing everyone with DRM.

  28. Watermarked? Hashed? by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is Amazon watermarking or hashing these, so that when they show up on Torrent sites, they can prove wrongdoing?

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  29. Troubles with Omniweb by aesiamun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I spent an hour on the phone with Amazon because I purchased a track from them in Omniweb. After installing the downloader and purchasing the track, it said I had downloaded the file already, but I hadn't. The guy unlocked the download again and I tried with Safari and it worked fine.

    We didn't try with firefox, but omniweb is definitely not supported correctly by the downloader.

  30. Joint Stereo defined by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only problem I see with the encoding is that it's done in "Joint Stereo" rather than regular ol' stereo. I don't know if it makes a difference in perceived stereo separation at that high of a bitrate, but I told Amazon to cut that out. All lossy audio codecs introduce noise. The goal of MP3 is to keep the noise at some fraction of the signal so that listeners do not notice it, with "noise level" determined per some psychoacoustic model. Joint stereo means that some audio frames are encoded as the sum and difference of the two channels rather than as the channels themselves, in those cases where mid-side would represent the audio frame at an acceptable SNR with a lower bitrate than left-right. And don't think that mid-side necessarily diminishes audio quality; some material is actually miked mid-side, and matrix surround follows in essence the same equation.
  31. Hideously out of context by jareds · · Score: 3, Informative

    -- From Amazon's MP3 Music Service: Terms of Use --
    "you agree that you will not redistribute, transmit, assign, sell, broadcast, rent, share, lend, modify, adapt, edit, sub-license or otherwise transfer or use the Digital Content."

    That sentence starts out, "Except as set forth in Section 2.1 above, you agree..." Section 2.1, in its entirety, says, "Upon your payment of our fees for Digital Content, we grant you a non-exclusive, non-transferable license to use the Digital Content for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use, subject to and in accordance with the terms of this Agreement. You may copy, store, transfer and burn the Digital Content only for your personal, non-commercial, entertainment use." This is exactly what you'd expect, except maybe the non-transferrable part.

    Quoting a partial sentence the way you did, I'm tempted to think you're just trolling.