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Review of Amazon's DRM-Less Music Download Store

fdmendez writes to tell us that he had a chance to check out Amazon's DRM-less music download store that was recently released as a beta trial. "Amazon one-ups the iTunes store in every way except for popularity. Never once did I find an album to be more expensive on the Amazon store in comparison to the iTunes store. The download experience was pleasant, and the lack of DRM truly makes it YOUR music. I don't know of any other download service that could top the Amazon MP3 store."

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  1. I do... by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know of any other download service that could top the Amazon MP3 store.

    AllOfMP3.

    1. Re:I do... by feed_me_cereal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      what's the point of paying for mp3's you wont legally own? You might as well just pirate them for free.

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    2. Re:I do... by JackMeyhoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But we do have a right to use them, via our BLANK MEDIA TAX :)

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    3. Re:I do... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only that, I find it endlessly amusing people see buying a digital replica of a song a good deal, especially when you work out the prices. I worked it out yesterday. The album I was looking at was a mere dollar cheaper in MP3 format. So that extra dollar gets you a physical disk you can make your own MP3's from, or if you want lossless, quality sound, FLAC format, (not an option when all you have is an MP3) all the packaging etc...

      It's like settling for a JPG of the Mona Lisa.

    4. Re:I do... by fyrie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. If I want the whole disc, buying mp3s isn't too appealing. However, if I want to make that perfect Yacht Rock mix CD, I'd rather buy 15 mp3s all from different albums rather than 15 albums. For single songs, digital downloads are the shiz.

    5. Re:I do... by ConanG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if you only want a single song from that album? If you buy the disk, it's NOT cheaper than buying the one song.

      It's not like settling for a jpg of the Mona Lisa. It's like buying just the Mona Lisa jpg instead of a collection of artwork that includes the Mona Lisa. Maybe the rest of that artwork is crap.

      Back to the album...maybe you don't want to go through the trouble of converting it yourself. Maybe you don't want to mess with CDs at all. There are plenty of reasons why it's a better choice to buy a single off an album rather than the entire album.

    6. Re:I do... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NO. STOP IT.

      It's legal to download music because it's legal, not because of the blank media levy. Whether or not the industry is bilking you of that money, you have that right. It's not illegal. The media levy doesn't make it any more or less legal, though it may assuage some of the guilt people feel.

      If you put a levy on bullets to ease the pain and suffering of families that are broken apart by gun violence, it doesn't make shooting people legal. It's an illegal activity no matter what.

      The levy is a smoke screen so that we don't notice if they try and legislate our IP rights away. It's a random and immoral money grab. It presupposes guilt when you buy media for any purpose, even if the media has non-infringing purposes. We should all hate the levy.

    7. Re:I do... by Allador · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Thats garbage. Some artists may, in some cases, intend for all the songs of an album to be part of some 'integrated holistic artistic experience'.

      But that has nothing to do with what I enjoy. They dont get to tell me how I have to enjoy their music.

      And I cant think of a single album, ever, where I've ever wanted to listen to it all, end-to-end, or even give a rat's hairy butt about listening to them in context with each other.

      In every cases, I'd prefer to listen to 1, maybe 2 (in exceptional cases) songs from an artist, then I want something different. Listening to the same singer/artist over and over again just bores me.

      .. if you can only find one or two songs off an album that you like, then maybe you need to find some artists that make music better suited to your tastes. See thats the thing. You dont get to tell me how I have to enjoy music. I can enjoy it in whatever dynamic or process I like. I like what I like, and thats all that matters. It's not like listening to music has some net societal effect that matters, its just something that makes you feel good when listening to it.
  2. MP3, empeeshmee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > I don't know of any other download service that could top the Amazon MP3 store.

    Any that sell FLAC for a start!

  3. Competition is good. by mattgreen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope this service takes off, as competition between iTunes and other services only means less DRM, higher quality songs, and better selection for all of us. Amazon just needs to land some deals with record labels...

  4. Re:Obligitory by p0tat03 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You mean the service where everybody leeches, resulting in complete lack of bandwidth available to downloaders unless you're in an exclusive, ratio-metered club?

    Or the one that really only works for popular albums, as anything old or otherwise unpopular and non-mainstream will have no seeders?

    Even accounting for the $0 price tag, Bittorrent has a LONG way to go to rival ANY paid music store.

  5. It's too good by Necreia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It had the music I wanted -- Didn't require a special download -- Is DRM free -- Is properly priced. When will MAFIAA shut it down?

  6. "in every way" by nevali · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Amazon trumps iTunes on DRM-free volume, but iTunes trumps Amazon by selling 256kbps AAC, as opposed to the 256kbps MP3 that Amazon sells.

    1. Re:"in every way" by Radon360 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But, at that bit rate, can you honestly say you can tell the difference with your own ears?

    2. Re:"in every way" by stoolpigeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      how about "in every significant way" because I guarantee you most of us could care less about the AAC - MP3 thing.

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  7. Re:Obligitory by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why was the parent modded funny? If anything is should be modded sad but true. Pirated music is typically of better quality (bitrate, encoder, etc) than any "legal" music store on earth.

  8. AAC "quality" irrelevant ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon trumps iTunes on DRM-free volume, but iTunes trumps Amazon by selling 256kbps AAC, as opposed to the 256kbps MP3 that Amazon sells.

    Isn't that 256kb AAC the optional higher priced version?

    More importantly the improved "quality" of 256 kb AAC over 256kb MP3 is largely hypothetical, few if any could tell the difference. However even if we accept marginal quality and size improvements these are overwhelmingly outweighed by the universal nature of MP3 files. Every digital player supports MP3. Portables, cars, home stereos, etc. There is no vendor lock.

    1. Re:AAC "quality" irrelevant ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's no "vendor lock" for AAC either, just lots of crap vendors who haven't added support for it yet.

      We are comparing Amazon's MP3 downloads to Apple's AAC downloads, Apple's AAC's have DRM. The fact that you can rip your CD to AAC is largely irrelevant. Most folks I know reconfigure iTunes to rip as MP3 rather than the default AAC, exceptions are die hard long term Mac owners.

      In addition to the preceding, "vendor lock" does not require a technological enforcement. Simple market forces where only one vendor says a particular format is of interest counts too, as is the current situation.

    2. Re:AAC "quality" irrelevant ... by JonathanBoyd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We are comparing Amazon's MP3 downloads to Apple's AAC downloads, Apple's AAC's have DRM.

      Not the 256 kbps ones he's talking about; they're DRM-free

    3. Re:AAC "quality" irrelevant ... by kherr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple's AAC's have DRM

      Except when they don't. The higher-bitrate iTunes Plus songs are DRM-free AAC.

      As for quality, I did my own listening tests between 192Kbps MP3 and 128Kbps AAC when Apple first added support for AAC, and I could clearly hear a difference (using iTunes encoding, maybe it was their ripper). To my ears AAC sounds much better than MP3. Others' ears may hear differently. If nothing else I get comparable audio quality. Don't fear the AAC.

  9. Works with the iPod. by jcr · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That makes it viable. Good luck to Amazon, and I hope they can help to show the RIAA the pointlessness of DRM.

    -jcr

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  10. Re:Not exactly DRM free by SciFi_WaBobby · · Score: 1, Insightful

    and you have to install their software. ..because buying from iTunes doesn't require any software installation?!
  11. Re:I tried it out yesterday by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A Linux version of the Amazon MP3 Downloader is under development, and when released will allow entire album purchases. Why do they need a special downloader for albums? Are they struggling to master the concept of a .zip file?
  12. AllOfMp3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Good hit on BitTorrent and other 'free' channels...but how about some of those Russian sites?

  13. Re:BZZZZT by CrazyTalk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what you are saying is...they support 99.9% of desktop operating systms. Sounds reasonable to me!

  14. Re:I tried it out yesterday by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They are struggling to handle users that can't master the concept of a .zip file.

  15. What about backups? by ThirdPrize · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When my hard drive crashes I could have lost my entire music collection but when my CD collection crashes (to the floor), I can just stand it up again. Will they let you re-download stuff you have brought? iTunes allows you once I think.

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  16. Time = Money by msimm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree (mostly), those lines of thinking side-step things like convenience (I download it when I like, from the comfort of my home, probably while doing other things) and format (I use mp3's exclusively, so buying 'hard' media simply adds an additional step between me and the music).

    So while I agree that you end up paying more for less (no album cover, no liner notes, no physical media) it comes close to being a wash (not quite) with the immediacy and the convenience.

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  17. Re:$8-$9 is too much by shark72 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Why can't they charge much less and make up the profits on volume?"

    Well, first -- if by "they" you mean Amazon, my highly educated guess is that Amazon is making 15 points on the sale. They don't have much room to move.

    Many people tend to put too much faith in unit elasticity: if you cut the price of oranges in half, you'll sell twice as many; double the price and you'll sell half as many. The real world seldom works that way, so lots of research is done on pricing theory. My industry (computer peripherals) does it, countless others do it, and it's a safe assumption that record labels and Amazon do it, too -- despite the fact that every Slashdotter just knows that music is overpriced and sold at obscene profits.

    Putting costs of production aside (assuming that they have the ability to sell at any price and make a profit), it might simply be that they do not believe that they will double their sales if they sell albums at $4 rather than $8. I know it certainly wouldn't be the case in my situation; I would not spend appreciably more on music if prices were lowered. I buy all the music I could possibly want on iTunes (and I'll soon be trying Amazon). My interest runs out before my budget does. And, as nonsensical as this might seem, there are millions of other consumers just like me.

    When you step closer to the real world and take into account the costs of sale, elasticity becomes even more of an issue. If (say) that album has a cost of sale of $3.90, then they'll make a dime per sale at $4, or $4.10 per sale at $8. So even if they double their sales by cutting the price in half, their net revenue would still drop by 95%. In this scenario, sales would need to increase by about 20X to make the same amount of money, and that's very unlikely to happen.

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  18. Re:Say what? by frdmfghtr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The music industry is willing to allow an all-you-can-eat subscription model for (based on memory) anywhere from $8-$15 a month. If you use portable devices that work with their DRM, you can essentially have all-you-can-eat music, all the time, even without an internet connection, for very little money.

    This is why I'm saying $8-$9 is too much for a single album; when the industry is willing to do all-you-can-eat for slightly more per month. I'd be willing to pay $1-$2 to download an older album, and a few dollars more for a newer album. If the industry can make money on volume in all-you-can-eat, why can't they make money on volume for downloads a-la-carte?
    I think it's because you can pay the $9 once and have the album forever. If I only buy a few albums per year, a monthly subscription is pointless and a waste of money.

    As one who has never used a subscription service (I'm one of the low-volume types) I ask this: if your subscription ceases, do you still have access to the music you already downloaded?
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  19. Re:Obligitory by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Torrents generally aren't the place to go for music ... torrents are good for larger stuff. Try a good Gnutella client instead (personally I use Phex but there are many.) I think you'll have better luck.

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  20. Albums vs singles by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > ...they're intended to be heard in the context of other songs.

    Not always. Sometimes an album is an integrated 'experience' that doesn't work as singles at all, sometimes the singles can stand alone but make more sense listened to on the album and some 'albums' are just some random unrelated songs sold as a bundle. It really just depends on the artist. Please avoid making sweeping generalizations.

    All recording artists are not Pink Floyd. And even though I like a lot of Pink Floyd I still think it is good that not all music comes in such inseperable slabs.

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  21. Re:Obligitory by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Garauteed to give you a rootkit if your dumb enough to leave autorun turned on. Although I really shouldn't blame the people who don't know enough to turn this mis-feature off. Whoever thought it was a good idea to have programs execute before you even have the chance to look at what's on the disk should be shot.

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