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Cockroaches at Their Best at Night
Science_afficionado writes "A new study has found that cockroaches are morons in the morning and geniuses in the evening in terms of their learning capacity. Previous studies suggest that the learning capacity of both people and rats are also affected by their internal biological clocks. But the effect is far more dramatic in cockroaches and it is the first time it has been found in insects. And, no, the researchers didn't try giving their cockroaches a sip of coffee to see if it revived them!"
Would they learn better if installed in groups? In cubicles? Are there pointy-haired cockroaches? Did the researchers give them 20% of their time to work on personal projects? come one, where's the research!
My previous boss was also a moron during the day and only when it was time to leave, came he up with a genius idea and called a meeting. Does that make him a cockroach?
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If we switch Washington, DC to working the night shift, we'll get a better government?
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Cockroaches are active at night. Why on Earth we need a study for this.
How do you learn if I wake you up at 3 am in the morning?
The people who conducted this study said in an interview:
"An interesting question is why the animal would not want to learn at that particular time of day. We have no idea."
The interview was conducted during the day. I leave you with your own conclusions on the similarity between cockroaches and some people.
The fuckers start _flying_ at night!
Welcome our night-dwelling-cockroach-overlords? Naa.
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These are cockroaches we're talking about here, folks. Calling them "genius" at any time of the day is stretching it just a little, yes?
Of course, the same could most likely be said of the person who came to mind when you read the summary, too....
If the cockroach hasn't had their coffee before trying to learn in the morning, there's no way they'll be able to remember anything.
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I haven't heard of insects committing suicide before, but there has been a couple that have walked under my feet as I am walking. I guess Darwin would have something to say about that....
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I'm not in the fuckin mood for running around some stupid maze. And turn down those lights!
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The notions of operant versus respondent conditioning have been around for 60 or 70 years now and people still can't tell the difference? Learning is a vacuous concept that you can talk to your grandmother about but science has moved away from it because it doesn't address precisely what is learned or precisely when the learning takes place.
By making this post, I have wasted a modpoint.
Considering this new development, shouldn't we be calling them "clockroaches" from now on?
They will continue to wonder around as if nothing is wrong. I love the line that "Kelly Bundy" said one time when Bud told her you get more flies with honey than with vinegar. She responded, yeah, but if you pull their little wings off, they will eat anything you give them.
Anyone who has had to deal with cockroach buildups in an apartment or house would know that in order to prevent them from coming to your kitchen is to wipe it down really well, because once they start coming, it's damn near impossible to stop them. Once they find a hint of food in a certain location, they will continue to look for it in the same location...
Just sayin'.
Did anyone cross-referenced the late night genius cockroach study with the I.T. workers sleeping on the job study?
What the hell is this awful flash website?? The complete text of the story is flash, and before i can read the article, i have to watch an animation that prepares me for the structure of it??
they can't be told anything while people are here during normal hours but suddenly have great ideas when everyone else has gone home for the day
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that if you pull a cockroach's legs off it goes deaf.
I'm pretty sure a sip of coffee would kill the cockroach. "Caffeine is found in varying quantities in the beans, leaves, and fruit of over 60 plants, where it acts as a natural pesticide that paralyzes and kills certain insects feeding on the plants. It is most commonly consumed by humans in infusions extracted from the beans of the coffee plant and the leaves of the tea bush, as well as from various foods and drinks containing products derived from the kola nut or from cacao. Other sources include yerba mate, guarana berries, and the Yaupon Holly." -- wikipedia
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I don't think a cockroach has enough theory of mind to 'desire' to learn. And in any case there's no practical difference between desire to learn and ability to learn if predicting cockroach behaviour is the outcome. Either it will learn or it wont.
With respect to other influences, I'm sure a journal like PNAS wouldn't take the research if it had fatal flaws. They're quite fussy.
Also, I don't see why a study needs to be replicated before it has any weight. Unless you think there are significant flaws in the first study that will be overcome later, or there has been some dishonesty in the first place. That's what p-values are for after all, checking whether a result was due to chance, which is then a measure of how likely the results are to be repeatable. What would an extra study add except bigger numbers?
Have they forgotten that cockroaches exist in all parts of the world !? What about testing cockroaches from Asia/Australia side of the planet where it is day when it is night in the USA. Why are these studies so incomplete and pedantic without thorough analysis ?
If there's a nuclear winter, and cockroaches (which are generally said to survive despite radiation) are left in the dark (somewhere), will the darkness help them evolve to the point of being sentient?
Maybe some experiments aka "learning during darkness" should be conducted on ISS. hmm..*wondering about that ep of Justice League when Vandal Savage was the only human left on Earth. Cockroaches evolved and became big. With the red sun (less sunlight), they appeared to be more organised and smarter. Maybe the writers got that right.
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Anybody got pointers on this previous research for humans? That could change my daily schedule...
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Back in my college days, there was a nasty area right across the boulevard from Monterrey Tech (in Mexico) unaffectionately known as The Bronx. During weekends, it wasn't uncommon to see a molotov cocktail hurled here and there, from four or five story apartment buildings, just for the hell of it. There would be a towable hot dog stand parked on the curb, suddenly you'd hear a perpetrator from above yell "MOLOTOV!", the hot dog vendor would yell back "FUCK YOU!", then a molotov cocktail would fly in a parabola right above customers' heads and burst into flames in an empty lot across the street. Some of the customers would smile or laugh, some would groan in exasperation - but nobody was shocked.
Sanitation in the area was a disaster, there were so many cockroaches in the buildings that many students simply gave up trying to exterminate them and simply accepted them as "pets", going as far as wagering on cockroach races. I don't know if it still exists, but back in those days there was a cheap repellent stick known as Chinese Chalk that was smeared on surfaces, and while it was fresh, supposedly no cockroach would cross the boundary. Racecourses were designed with Chinese Chalk, beers were popped open, wages were placed on the floor, and the festivities began.
Years later, simply mentioning The Bronx can still make ex-alumni shudder.
Aw, what the hell, here's another good cockroach story:
One day, a friend of mine saw to his horror, three cockroaches huddling in his kitchen wall. So the guy approached nervously with a can of Raid and, involuntarily shutting his eyes, blasted 'em for about ten seconds before jumping several feet back. With morbid fascination and never taking his eyes off them, the guy slowly approached the dying, quivering roaches, still attached to the wall. He was just a couple of feet away when two of the roaches, in a final, heroic act of revenge, lunged at him. Screaming bloody murder in a high pitched tone that must've cracked a neighborhood window or two, the guy jerked violently, tripped and fell in a weird position, dislocating his shoulder.
On a happy note, my friend himself tells that story, and has a good laugh while doing so.
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The study was supported by a grant from the National Institute of Mental Health!
So how exactly would this study be have any connection to the study of mental health?
the lurking motherfu****rs make sure their creepy bellies are the first thing we see in the morning ! they conspire !!!
Lick my balls and call me sally. I wasted your puny little modpoint. Only four left, no?
Yes I did.
I've notice their code was much better towards the end of the day, not nearly as many kludges in it.
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Here's the html version, with pretty pictures.
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/exploration/text/index.php?action=view_section&id=1333&story_id=320
I did look for other comments mentioning HTML or text but to my astonishment it appears no one bothered to post this all day.
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