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Microsoft Extends XP's Life By 6 Months

hairyfeet writes "Despite Microsoft releasing Windows Vista more than nine months ago the adoption rate has not been as Microsoft hoped. Bowing further to pressure from OEMs and consumers, Microsoft has extended the life of Windows XP, which was due to end sale by OEMs on January 1 next year, to a new date of June 30. Asked if this was an indication of a strong demand for XP, a Microsoft representative sought to downplay the extension, stating 'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'"

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  1. Hmmm.... by bjb · · Score: 4, Funny

    Depends on what your definition of "is" is...

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    1. Re:Hmmm.... by Clanked · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsofts Definition of "Certain Element"

      eve-ry-one
      pronoun
          Every person; everybody.

    2. Re:Hmmm.... by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 3, Funny

      accommodating a certain element who needs more time Apparently, the Vista development team needed more time.
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  2. 5 Months? by ihop0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jan 1 -> June 30? Isn't that 6 months?

    1. Re:5 Months? by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed. But the original date was 30 January. So the 5 months is right.

    2. Re:5 Months? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Jan 1 -> June 30? Isn't that 6 months?


      Jan 1 -> July 1 is 6 months.

      Jan 1 -> June 30 is, truncated to an integer number of months, 5 months.

    3. Re:5 Months? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nope - count it out... January, February, March, April, May, June. That's 5.

      * I used Excel to do this math, and checked it with a virtual slide rule.

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    4. Re:5 Months? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

      No it is just 3 months according to Excel2007

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  3. 5 months? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Jan 1 to June 30, wouldn't that be 6 months. Or did they use Excel to do the math?

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  4. Defeated by themselves... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft made a product so appealing to the users that they don't want to switch. Not even to a newer version.

    Sooner or later this was gonna happen.

    1. Re:Defeated by themselves... by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny
    2. Re:Defeated by themselves... by Salsaman · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mis-spelled "appalling".

    3. Re:Defeated by themselves... by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they didn't make it so appealing users want to keep old. They made the upgrade so appalling that users don't want to buy new.

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  5. Vista SP1 Delayed by acherrington · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.' So let me get this straight... if its not demand that's changing this.. and its a certain element who needs more time, well then I am going to guess that its Microsoft that needs more time to push out Vista Service Pack 1. Then hopefully Windows Vista will have the bugs out and customers will want to migrate.
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  6. Activation servers? by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What happens to the activation servers long after the products (ie 2000 and XP) are out of extended support?

    1. Re:Activation servers? by This_Is_My_Happening · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, extended support for XP ends in 2014. Considering all of 2008,2009,2010,2011,2012 and 2013 will be the year of the Linux desktop, I highly doubt anyone will still be using XP by then.

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    2. Re:Activation servers? by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Win2k doesn't have activation.

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    3. Re:Activation servers? by cashman73 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Microsoft is apparently counting on the fact that nobody will even be here after 2012,. . .

    4. Re:Activation servers? by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rubbish. Everything requires activation. How else will you get the Genuine Advantage? Even Linux requires activation.

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  7. XP Works by Blinocac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Plain and simple. I'm no big fan of MS, but XP is really a decent piece. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

    1. Re:XP Works by Oliver+Defacszio · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, that's obviously the case. Anyone who still trots out the old stupid chestnut "Windows is unstable" argument has either never used 2000 or XP, or is just lying in hopes of attracting attention from the gullible to his purely political motives (or both).

      Actually, I think this is pretty fortuitous for Microsoft, despite the fact that it calls attention to Vista's lack of popularity. Computer stores around here are using the fact that they "still" sell computers with XP as a sales tool, and the support extension is a pretty nice method of keeping everyone happy and quiet while Microsoft does whatever they do to Vista to make it a reasonable upgrade. Although I've not used Vista beyond a few tries in the store and a minute or two at a friend's house, it seems from popular opinion (beyond the completely unsurprising groupthink here at Slashdot) that Vista was born prematurely, and Microsoft is fortunate to have a historical product like XP they can use as a tool of placation until the new one is what it always should have been.

      XP *is* really good, and Microsoft is pretty lucky that Vista didn't come after, say, Windows 98 or ME, because those are not something they'd want to fall back upon in a situation like this. I guess the old saying is true -- business is as much about timing and luck as it is about skill.

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  8. Why the uptake is slow by sufijazz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some factors affect the uptake of Vista:
    1. It needs a lot more RAM. Or atleast people seem to think so.
    2. People are waiting for it to "settle down" - probably until Service Pack 1 is released.
    3. There is a lot of confusion about different Vista versions.

    There is also the issue of some drivers not being available. But things will settle down soon enough. One year is not that long of a timeframe to wean marketshare away from one operating system monopoly to another.

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    1. Re:Why the uptake is slow by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Funny

      You missed a link about versions of Vista....

      (aka, obligatory Penny Arcade post)

  9. Asked what he says to by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...the allegations that their users claimed Vista is a pile of manure, the representative said "We wouldn't term it manure, we'd say it has very strong properties, promotes groth and has fertilizing capabilities."

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  10. notevenitsmother by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 3, Funny

    Whoever came up with that tag is my hero.

  11. Microsoft playing Chicken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Extends XP's Life"

    If I were a Windows user, this language would make me sick to my stomach. This is the reason I use GNU software: the "life" of that software is as long as somebody wants to use it. RMS isn't sitting in the offices of the FSF waiting to pull the plug on Linux 2.6 so that people have to buy Linux 2.8; (this might upset Linus a little bit too). Moreover, even "dead" GNU programs can come back to life, if somebody is willing to dig up the body and run it through the compile-o-matic.

    If the market wants Windows XP, let them buy it until there isn't enough plastic left on Earth to mint another CD. Software can't "die" unless a very greedy vendor decides to murder it in cold blood. "Extends XP's Life" should be rewritten "Decides Not to Shank XP/XP Users".

    Microsoft is playing chicken with the free market, and they are going to lose.

  12. OK by MS? by bigdavex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This doesn't seem like a huge disaster for Microsoft to me.

    These people are still buying a MS Windows license. Maybe they'll even buy an upgrade to Vista later.

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  13. Re:Is this a PR guy? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is why you should NEVER use a product that requires "activation".

    Just say no to mandatory registration, dongles and other similar shenanigans.

    This isn't even a "pro free software" or "anti commercial" thing. Not all
    commercial software vendors choose to treat their customers like this.

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  14. XP Sucks by Colin+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    XP sucks. It simply sucks less than Vista.

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  15. I love PR speak by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Microsoft representative sought to downplay the extension, stating 'We wouldn't term it strong, we would describe this as accommodating a certain element who needs more time.'

    Hmm...

    Journalist: "Did Vista fail?"
    Microsoft Representative: "I wouldn't say it failed. I'd say it successfully failed in succeeding to fail in successful failure."
    Journalist: "Oh.. right, exactly what I had in mind!"


    It's just so transparent when companies spin things, it hurts. And you know behind the curtains they shout and curse and spit, and say things like this:

    "I am not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers (both business and home) [..] our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, [..] I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn't translate into great products. I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft."

    And, as you know, this is an actual quote from Jim Allchin's private email to Gates and Ballmer. Regarding Vista. Not quite like their public claims of vicious unstoppable wildfire Vista success, now, is it.

  16. I don't get it? by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why should a product that's designed to be used in a production environment receive an end-of-life? Shouldn't they have various platforms with ongoing support for different end-use? For example, companies have built software on Windows XP that refuse to work on later versions, or later versions have different properties (i.e. certain APIs no longer supported, 3rd party companion software that won't run on the new OS, different security model imposes different behaviour in the new OS, different licensing schemes not compatible with the software)... if MS cares about its developers that have invested in the platform they put out, wouldn't they keep supporting them? How could developers choose to program for a platform that's essentially a moving target that they can never lock down, and that they have to keep paying MS to use their own software, and even make changes to their software to accomodate MS's changes in their OS? Plus, every time you want to sell your solution to a customer, you have to charge them for MS's products as well. If you have software that requires Windows and Office, and you sell it to someone, you have to sell them Office and Windows and whatever other applications along with it, promoting MS's product, or at least putting your customers in the same position that MS is putting you in as a developer. Except that MS's support and guarantees are limited by their EULA. Isn't programming on Windows like an endless chase? Does it pay off in any way?

  17. Been running Vista since launch with no problems by TAZ6416 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work in an organisation who has a Microsoft Enterprise Agreement license so on Vista's launch I installed Vista Enterprise on a pretty crappy work PC (Dell GX240) and Vista Ultimate on my home PC (self made Athlon XP 2000+) to see what it was like and I still use them daily.

    And I have had no problems with instability and apart from an obscure Belkin USB IrDa device I have had no problems getting other devices to work, either with Vista drivers or XP Drivers and I find it stable and fast, apart for copying files which is a dog.

    At this point you may be thinking "Ah, he thinks Vista is great", but you'd be wrong. I quite like Aero, I love the way Vista Ultimate talks to my XBOX 360, but I'm left thinking "Is that it?" There is nothing there worth the £350 Microsoft is asking for the full version, asking that is taking the piss. The basic version I think is £100.. is it worth that.. even then probably not.

    While we have no plans to roll out Vista at work at the moment, we said to any of the IT support staff they could install it if they liked on their PCs/Laptops and only 2 of us (including me) did it out of 120 people.

    It seems no-one is really interested or cares about Vista.

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  18. Who cares by MemoryDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Vista was designed for the movie industry, but Microsoft forgot that the movie industry is not buying vista, the customers have to. Speaking of lost focus.

  19. Re:Boiling frog by Runefox · · Score: 4, Funny

    WGA is truth. DRM is love. Vista is eternal happiness.

    Why would you want to jump out of the Microsoft love-pot? It's nice and warm. Come join us. We can be the best of friends.

    One of us! One of us!

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