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50 Years Ago, Sputnik Was an Improvised Triumph

caffiend666 sends in an AP article featuring interviews with the old men who launched the first satellite 50 year ago. The story they tell hinges on luck and the drive of one man, Sergei Korolyov, who died in 1966, unheralded in his lifetime. "When Sputnik took off 50 years ago, the world gazed at the heavens in awe and apprehension, watching what seemed like the unveiling of a sustained Soviet effort to conquer space and score a stunning Cold War triumph. But 50 years later, it emerges that the momentous launch was far from being part of a well-planned strategy to demonstrate communist superiority over the West... 'At that moment we couldn't fully understand what we had done,' Chertok recalled. 'We felt ecstatic about it only later, when the entire world ran amok'... And that winking light that crowds around the globe gathered to watch in the night sky? Not Sputnik at all, as it turns out, but just the second stage of its booster rocket."

252 comments

  1. I raise my glass to the Russians... by ChePibe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who were, and remain, worthy competitors and partners as we reach to the stars.

    Congratulations are due on the anniversary of this achievement and to their many achievements since. May they have many more, and may they help elevate this world and all that are in it.

    1. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      Communist!

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    2. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by upside · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, it's the ghost of Truman coming back from the 50s.

      *prepares Dispell Ghost of Truman spell*

      Begone! The Cold War is over! Your rhetoric rings hollow with no potency or power to incite passion. Begone and take your empty words with you!

      Dude, you must invoke the Words of Might "Terrorist", "Microsoft", "patents" or maybe "emacs" to get a reaction here.

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    3. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by rvw · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, you must invoke the Words of Might "Terrorist", "Microsoft", "patents" or maybe "emacs" to get a reaction here. That's all negative. Here are some positive "Words of Might": Open source, Apple, Vim, Linux and let's not forget: boobs!
    4. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree! Great work!

    5. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by dintech · · Score: 4, Funny

      Linux and let's not forget: boobs!

      Congratulations for getting 'linux' and 'boobs' into the same sentence. I don't think that's ever been achieved before.

    6. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux comes from a country that formerly belonged to Russia, namely Finland. We celebrate our 90th independence day.

    7. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by OriginalArlen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's an excellent book on the Soviet space program, written waay back in 1981; I picked it up in a second hand shop a few years later and was completely engrossed. Oberg's ability to stitch together a fairly comprehensive history of the then still highly secretive Soviet spac program from public open source material is excellent, and the revelations about the early catastrophes (like the launch pad explosion that wiped out 200 of the best launch technicians and engineers they had, plus the head of the entire ICBM program, and the tragic deaths of various cosmonauts) were amazing to me, 20 years ago anyway.

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    8. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by master5o1 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Apple is negative. With all their iPhone and software lock ups.

      They're pretty much as evil as Microsoft.

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    9. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by minginqunt · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm fairly certain that in Soviet Russia, triumphs improvise you.

      I read it in a book about Commies, so I did.

    10. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by sqldr · · Score: 1, Funny

      Congratulations for getting 'linux' and 'boobs' into the same sentence. I don't think that's ever been achieved before.

      Whereas 'congratulations' and 'boobs' in the same sentence is something that Pamela Anderson is becoming increasingly tired of.

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    11. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      Silence! They were right to not give any commendation to the men responsible for Sputnik; all men are equal after all! The guys who designed the first satellite probably just.. controlled the means of production, or something..

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    12. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Serengeti · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Be fair. Microsoft doesn't have AT&T and various record labels breathing down their neck to make sure a slice of the iPhone pie goes to them to deal with.

      Usually, I'd go and blame the share holders, or at least the stock market system for encouraging participants to overlook moral issues in favour of profit, and really I guess I could blame AT&T's, and the record labels owners/shareholders, but I can't really see how Apple (or its owners/shareholders) are to blame for this. Maybe they could have stood up to AT&T? I guess they could have.

      Of course, my perception of the world might be vastly skewed.

    13. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whereas 'congratulations' and 'boobs' in the same sentence is something that Pamela Anderson is becoming increasingly tired of.

      And congratulations to you too for getting from Linux to Pamela Anderson. Albeit via the unusual route of 'boobs'.

    14. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Xiaran · · Score: 1

      I second you on that. I read that book when I was in the six grade(my dad owned it... he is a space nut). Even for someone not interested in space or technology should find that a fascinating read for the stories of how the communists actually ran things. Some things were pretty insane. And you get the find out why Khrushchev was really banging his shoe on that table :)

    15. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by mulhollandj · · Score: 1, Interesting

      http://jbs.org/node/5689 is a fascinating article about how the US government prevented US scientists from launching first. If you remember, Sputnik was the excuse for the federal government to become involved in education as we 'had to' catch up to the Russians in science and math.

    16. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by jitterman · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hate to correct you, but I have heard this at least twice directed to me and a co-worker: "Hey, you Linux boobs, get back to work!"

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    17. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pamela Anderson is a boob since she doesn't use Linux?

    18. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Gigaflynn · · Score: 1

      In soviet russia, sputnik launches YOU!!! what? someone had to say it... come on people...

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    19. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by background+image · · Score: 1

      Albeit via the unusual route of 'boobs'.

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of those... :-o

    20. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot back in the day when Windows users were insulting Linux by saying:
      'Linux is only used by a bunch of boobs.'
      I hope it's obvious the definition of boobs here is probably different from the one you're using.

      Captcha: Egghead, if only they still had stores ;.;

    21. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like it's a bad thing. I, for one, do NOT welcome our money worshiping corporate WTO overlords.

      The worst thing about communism was that it wasn't really. Money is a tool. Only fools worship their tools, and only tools follow fools, foolish tool.

      mcgrew (Linux using free-love dope-smoking hippie. Get the hell off my lawn you damned yuppies!)

    22. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Informative

      Congratulations for getting 'linux' and 'boobs' into the same sentence. I don't think that's ever been achieved before.

      Are you kidding? Switching to Linux is '92 or so streamlined my downloading of images of boobs and provided me with uudecode and xv to see them. (Multiple command lines in X windows, sharing a dialup connection with SLIP, each downloading parts of a series of images so they could be re-assembled -- astonishing technology at the time.)

      I'm utterly certain that Linux and Boobs have been in the same sentence before. :-P

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    23. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by MadnessASAP · · Score: 0

      What about "I use Linux and therfore do not get to see any boobs." seems about right to me and with the added benifit of being true as well.

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    24. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by djp928 · · Score: 1

      The article is a lot of tinfoil hat nonsense built up around one kernel of truth: The Eisenhower administration *did* want the Soviets to launch the first satellite, or at least did not want the US to be first with what was clearly a military booster. von Braun was ordered to fill the payload stage of his Jupiter C missile tests with sand (or cement--I can't recall) in order to insure that they could *not* achieve orbit.

      The reason for this, though, was not some tinfoil hat scheme to allow the government to intrude on education or somesuch, though. Simply put, Eisenhower wanted the Soviets to solve the issue of overflights in space. Today we think of orbital space as a pretty much open area for all, and although many countries have the capability to take down "enemy" satellites, nobody yet has to my knowledge. But back in those days, the idea of sending an orbital payload over the Soviet Union was a worrisome one, as it wasn't clear how the Soviets would respond to this violation of their "airspace". Would they see it as an aggressive act, especially if the payload was clearly a military one?

      Eisenhower wanted to avoid the issue more than anything. He wanted for the first satellite to either be the Navy's Vanguard (although still a military program, Vanguard was portrayed as a scientific payload and was part of the United State's contribution to the International Geophysical Year) or for the Soviets to take the first step so he himself could set the precedent of not reacting to an "overflight" with hostility.

      The whole "WE HAVE TO CATCH UP TO THE RUSSIANS!!" thing that came after the sputnik launch was one neither Eisenhower nor Khrushchev expected. Neither leader realized what they were touching off with this new space race. But the public was stunned by the Soviet satellite accomplishment, and reacted accordingly. So to did the "military-industrial complex" that Eisenhower warned us of later. But the Eisenhower administration themselves didn't engineer this so they could interfere with education or anything. They simply wanted for the first satellite to either be a clearly scientific payload, or have the Soviets settle the issue of orbital overflights for them. He simply did not foresee the reaction such a Soviet triumph would produce.

    25. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant same "room" and not same "sentence."

    26. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Nullav · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, perhaps?

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    27. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by background+image · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, perhaps?

      In Soviet Russia, boobs imagine a beowulf cluster of YOU!

      Oops. I'm sorry, that just slipped out...

    28. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being first is nice but it's not all that, here's a quick comparison...

      Sputnik: "Beep... Beep... Beep... (pause) Beep... Beep..."

      Explorer 1: "Here's some geiger counter data about the Van Allen belts and cosmic radiation. (Just so you know what's needed for future satellites or any manned space exploration.) 101011100110100..."

      But regardless of actual usefulness, I suppose both succeeded in their goals at the time.

    29. Re:I raise my glass to the Russians... by multi+io · · Score: 1
      > Sputnik: "Beep... Beep... Beep... (pause) Beep... Beep..."

      I heard that the length of the pauses between the beeps encoded the air pressure inside the sphere (thus, presumably, giving useful, albeit rough, data about the presence or absence of micrometeorites in LEO). In addition to that, any radio transmitter in earth orbit provides data about the transmission of radio waves in the ionosphere...

  2. A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor.

    It's kinda easier if you only have to announce launches AFTER they were successful. If it ain't, it's a test launch. Just like a lot of people play Minigolf.

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    1. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by mahmud · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor. Isn't this one of the main tenets of Hacker Philosophy - to play around with technology and see where that gets you?
    2. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Cyberax · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, a lot of Russian space technology was built on old technologies and as a result was quite reliable. For example, the R-7 rocket used to launch Sputnik used technologies from 20-s and there's a story that burning logs were used to ignite the first stage engines. But at the same time computer modeling (yes, even at that time!) was used to compute boosters parameters.

      BTW, R-7 and its successors have become the most successful launch systems so far.

    3. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by mlush · · Score: 1

      When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor. Isn't this one of the main tenets of Hacker Philosophy - to play around with technology and see where that gets you? Hmm it seems more like a Management anti-pattern, throw lots of money at the problem and hope some sticks... and if it does not stick, execute the project leader and most of the middle management.
    4. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by BuR4N · · Score: 2, Informative

      "When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor"

      Please look again:
      http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-Space-Race-Apollo/dp/0813026288

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    5. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you trying to tell me that the innovative new business model of "if it builds and fits together, launch it" was not invented by microsoft after all?

    6. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by mahmud · · Score: 4, Informative

      [...] throw lots of money at the problem and hope some sticks... What money? Read the RTFA! It was an impromptu project by one man and his team of scientists, a creative effort to push the existing tech and skills to their limits, not a government project with slipping deadlines and inflated funding. And anyway, Russian space program was funded sparingly for most of its history, when compared to NASA.

      My point expressed in GP still holds.
    7. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by mahmud · · Score: 2, Funny

      s/RTFA/TFA/

      (slaps himself)

    8. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The book accompanies the BBC mini-series, which is highly recommended.

    9. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2

      And anyway, Russian space program was funded sparingly for most of its history, when compared to NASA.

      You said a mouthful there.

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    10. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by mahmud · · Score: 1

      You said a mouthful there. Alright, alright, let me rephrase:

      especially when compared to NASA
    11. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by pipatron · · Score: 2, Funny

      Read the RTFA! s/RTFA/TFA/

      You're doing great! Just one more to make it right:

      s/TFA/FA/

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    12. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Just ask NASA who could rescue a shuttle stuck in orbit before they ran out of air/water/food, not NASA they couldn't get their "reusable" shuttle in orbit in less than 56 days, whereas the Russians sensibly had a Soyuz or Progress craft on standby at all times to mount a rescue of their Cosmonauts?

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    13. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      All fine, but I don't put a human being on top of my code. If I did, I would probably not just "give it a shot" when it's kinda-sorta complete.

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    14. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, they invented how you can get away with omitting the "fits together" part.

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    15. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by wizardforce · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of Russian space technology was built on old technologies and as a result was quite reliable
      they also used a launch vehicle with 30! engines; failing catastrophically of course.
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    16. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by arivanov · · Score: 1

      That is not just space program philosophy. That is design philosophy, engineering and mentality as a nation.

      It was the English to write "Coming home on a Wing and a Prayer". Nowdays, nobody in the UK can even remember the words of it. As a comparison just ask a Russian about "Hvost probit, bak gorit, no machina letit na chestnom slove i na odnom kr'le" (that is the russian version). While they have not written the song it fitted their mentality so well that they sing it till today (and claim it to be their own so do not mention the English version if you want to walk out alive).

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    17. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Blain · · Score: 1

      Another example of this was their response to needing to build electronics that could withstand vacuum -- instead, they built their electronics into chambers that were pressurized. Or using pencils instead of designing pens with pressurized ink reservoirs that could write without weight.

      After WWII, when Peenemunde was liberated, the Americans got the scientists and some of the parts of the V2s, and the Soviets got the engineers and the machinery for producing the V2s. I think that has something to do with the shape of the programs each country carried out.

    18. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by kcelery · · Score: 1

      Transistor was patented in 1951, size of an IBM is bigger than a room. I think ICs were out of sight. Isn't it amazing to fly something to the orbit with those primitive controls.

    19. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Basically, rocket science isn't rocket science. You don't need a terrible lot of just-in-time calculating power to put a rocket into orbit. Most of the things you need to calculate can be predetermined just fine if you know exactly when you want to start.

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    20. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The Russians use the space pen too, and NASA didn't develop it.

      Before the Fisher, NASA used grease pens because graphite tends to flake away, and in freefall, the graphite becomes a dirty cloud in the air (think black lung). The Russians didn't use pencils either, for the same reason.

    21. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by BritneySP2 · · Score: 1
      Sputnik used technologies from 20-s

      Wow, I am now left wondering why they waited so long. (The absence of competition, perhaps.)

      burning logs were used

      I, too, remember stories about how the Russians used horses to move rockets to the launchpad.

    22. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      they missed the "fits together" part...

    23. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Russia was developing rocket technology even before capturing Penemunde. GIRD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Propulsion_Research_Institute) worked since early 20-s. As a result, for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha rocket launchers were used extensively during the WWII.

      USA had a lot research in rocketry too or else German scientists couldn't have done that much all by themselves.

    24. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention that graphite is a conductor. Get a cloud of it in your electronics, and results should be interesting. So can we kill the russian pencil myth once and for all?

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    25. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Wow, I am now left wondering why they waited so long. (The absence of competition, perhaps.) Have you missed the part about using computer modeling (it was used to solve a system of differential equations describing stability of boosters)? :)
    26. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by onkelonkel · · Score: 1

      execute the project leader and most of the middle management

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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    27. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      It's even more amazing, that the first _automated_ spacecraft rendezvous was done without using a digital computer :)

    28. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Blain · · Score: 1

      I'll give you the pencil thing -- it works as a mythological explanation of the difference in approach, regardless of its historical inaccuracy.

    29. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by turgid · · Score: 2, Funny

      they also used a launch vehicle with 30! engines;

      Factorial 30 is indeed a lot of engines.

    30. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Um, you do realize that both the R-7 and the Soyuz launcher have 20 engines in the first stage. IMO, this shows there's nothing inherently wrong with clustering large numbers of engines together.

      There were several problems with the N-1:

      1. they were on a small budget, so they couldn't/didn't want to do full-scale tests. The idea was to go from unit tests to launching rockets in one step, and keep launching rockets until they got it right. They fully expected to lose a few rockets.

      2. Korolov died, and his successor lacked the political clout to ensure continued funding.

      3. Apollo 11 happened, which ended the political will to fund the program.

    31. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Cybrex · · Score: 1

      Excellent point. Having some of the critical technology come from the 1920's is not the same as having all of the critical technologies be of that vintage.

      BTW, your name is spelled wrong. ;-)

      -Cybrex

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    32. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you the mycon? Do you respond?

    33. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Um, you do realize that both the R-7 and the Soyuz launcher have 20 engines in the first stage.

      No, not really. They have five engines, each engine comprising four engine bells and combustion chambers, but only a single set of turbomachinery. US engines tend to have one set of turbines per combustion chamber (or vice versa), hence your confusion.

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    34. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by GatheringDust · · Score: 1
      It's unfortunate their submarine crews didn't receive the same treatment.

      whereas the Russians sensibly had a Soyuz or Progress craft on standby at all times to mount a rescue of their Cosmonauts?
    35. Re:A lot of the Russian program was improvised by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      I agree that the submarine crews didn't but this was mainly due to lack of funds (the submarine service was not held to be a priority, as long as it kept working) .. a similar problem as NASA have

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  3. Sounds of Sputnik by gbobeck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amsat.org has a page which features a little blurb as well as sounds from the first satellites. For Sputnik, there are two signal recordings.

    See http://www.amsat.org/amsat/features/sounds/firstsat.html
    This page has the two recordings both in .wav and .ra formats.

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    1. Re:Sounds of Sputnik by OneoFamillion · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah yes, RealAudio - a peak of Western audio technology in the times of the Sputnik launch ;-)

    2. Re:Sounds of Sputnik by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NASA's "Image of teh Day" is a "technician putting the finishing touches on Sputnik 1, humanity's first artificial satellite. The pressurized sphere made of aluminum alloy had five primary scientific objectives: Test the method of placing an artificial satellite into Earth orbit; provide information on the density of the atmosphere by calculating its lifetime in orbit; test radio and optical methods of orbital tracking; determine the effects of radio wave propagation though the atmosphere; and, check principles of pressurization used on the satellites."

      Images are here.

      While I'm waiting for the A/C "slow down cowboy" to holster his guns and go the fuck AWAY, I must pedantically point out that Sputnik was NOT the first satellite, and not even the first one launched from Earth. The moon itself, if current theory is correct, was formed from debris from the Earth and a Mars-sized object that impacted it.

      It was the first man-made satellite launched, however.

      -mcgrew (I was five when Sputnik was launched, and still remember it. The linked article doesn't mention Sputnik, but it does mention the first moon landing.)

    3. Re:Sounds of Sputnik by pcnetworx1 · · Score: 1

      Wow, I almost died of laughter. This is why I read slashdot : to read about Sputnik, then get comments like these :-)

  4. In Soviet Russia ... by MPAB · · Score: 2, Funny

    uhm ... wait ... (annoyed grunt)

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...You are the satellite. Ask any of the republics who were incorporated against their free will.

    2. Re:In Soviet Russia ... by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

      May I? In Soviet Russia, Sputnik launches US Space Program!

  5. Red Moon Rising - BBC Radio4 by NoNeeeed · · Score: 5, Informative

    This week's book of the week on Radio 4 is "Red Moon Rising", which is all about the building of Sputnik.

    Available on Listen Again each day: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/book_week.shtml

  6. Ha! by ChePibe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, yes, I know!

    I'm actually quite capitalistic, but one must give credit where credit is due. The Russians did a great deal to bring us to where we are today in terms of space exploration. One would hope that, 2,000 years from now, our descendants will all look back at Sputnik and see it as a great triumph of all mankind, not just the accomplishment of one tribe trying to best another. The likelihood of this occurring is, of course, quite small, but one can dream.

    I mean, just think about it - these guys put an object in orbit. It's common place today, I know, but to think that they were able to get it to work the first time still amazes me.

    Excellent work, comrades. Excellent work!

    1. Re:Ha! by Arancaytar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One would hope that, 2,000 years from now, our descendants will all look back at Sputnik and see it as a great triumph of all mankind, not just the accomplishment of one tribe trying to best another.


      "I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter."

      (This comment is intended to substitute for a +1 Insightful.)
    2. Re:Ha! by bentcd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One would hope that, 2,000 years from now, our descendants will all look back at Sputnik and see it as a great triumph of all mankind, not just the accomplishment of one tribe trying to best another. The likelihood of this occurring is, of course, quite small, but one can dream. Events like this tend to be glorified over time. The good parts get remembered and the bad parts get forgotten or dismissed as "the spirit of the times" or "we shouldn't judge their actions by modern standards" etc. So long as communism remains a non-threat (and thus there is no political necessity to vilify it) I think any bribes will be soundly forgotten 2,000 years from now :-)
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    3. Re:Ha! by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm actually quite capitalistic, but one must give credit where credit is due.


      You mean, to the government? After all it was one state sponsored program against another. The US program had the advantage of the wealth generated by an efficient economy though.
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    4. Re:Ha! by cbraescu1 · · Score: 1

      One would hope that, 2,000 years from now, our descendants will all look back at Sputnik and see it as a great triumph of all mankind, not just the accomplishment of one tribe trying to best another. I, for one, hope that 2,000 years from now there will be any tribes at all living on Earth.
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    5. Re:Ha! by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 0, Troll

      Nope, the credit actually goes to the USA, again. The Russians succeeded because they had bigger rockets, which could heave their larger nuclear weapons. The USA had smaller rockets because our nuclear weapons were more refined, and therefore physically smaller.

      But why did the USSR need the rockets and the nukes in the first place. That's right, because of the USA, and that's why we deserve all the credit for Sputnik.

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    6. Re:Ha! by hachiman · · Score: 1

      Wars (or even conflicts) have always produced the greatest advances in technology. It is only natural that a race to be the first to conquer something be productive to both sides doing the racing. Both sodes advanced in leaps and bounds because of the space race and the accompanying cold war, but both sides paid a huge price for the one-up-manship.

      The Russians one this battle, but ultimately lost the war thanks to the deeper pockets of the Americans. One could wonder what might have happened if the outcome had been reversed....

      Pleaseanty thoughts?

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    7. Re:Ha! by JAlexoi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll be putting it into overdrive:
            The credit goes to UK, well you know the rest why... Or maybe to the French?
            Or maybe the Romans? Hey! They were the ones that brought civilization to Britain.
            But there were the Greeks, with philosophy, mathematics and physics...
            Hey, hey, hey.... But Egyptians built the pyramids, and in fact started the civilization evolution.
      Hope this will bring you back to reality...

    8. Re:Ha! by Arabani · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, I think ultimate credit goes to the Chinese. After all, they invented gunpowder and were the first to design primitive rockets (i.e. fireworks, artillery), thus paving the way for later rocketeers (the ones that immediately come to mind are Goddard -> von Braun -> US/Soviet military rockets, etc.).

    9. Re:Ha! by Arthur+B. · · Score: 1

      Putting satellites in orbit, building huge pyramids ... sure its great but it was all done with slave labor. Walking on the moon was done in a much more humane way, with tax slaves.

      Wouldn't these achievements be much greater if they were the product of voluntary human cooperation?

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    10. Re:Ha! by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 0, Troll

      Conservatives who say snarky things get rated troll. Liberals who say snarky things get rated funny.

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    11. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because conservatives are less intelligent than liberals and when they try to be funny, they come off as trolls.

    12. Re:Ha! by rodri264 · · Score: 1

      I appreciate the fact that the program was ignited by the randomness of the military losing a rocket, apparently the only rocket that would have gotten an object in orbit. The accomplishment is great, but I'm reminded of the uniqueness of human life and how random events spur human evolution. Love it.

    13. Re:Ha! by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 1

      If I'd changed the name on the quote to Bill Clinton but left the words of the quote alone, it would have been moderated funny.

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    14. Re:Ha! by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see your unnamed Chinese dudes and raise you Archimedes. Because Archimedes = awesome.

    15. Re:Ha! by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Following that logic, I would like to thank Osama Bin Ladin for our improved airport security!

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    16. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see your Archimedes and raise you Oog. Because no Oog means no fire and no Archimedes.

    17. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are taxes not seen as cooperation? its cooperation on a national scale and its done more then private business has done in terms of space exploration.

    18. Re:Ha! by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 1

      See? That was funny. It's not fair!

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    19. Re:Ha! by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      I see your Ogg and raise you:
      Amoeba number 1.

      or if you prefer:
      God's index finger.

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    20. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "God's index finger."

      I think he has been giving us the middle finger ever since.

  7. One of the best recountings of the story and times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    of Sputnik
    http://www.prometheus-music.com/audio/surprise.mp3
    written by Leslie Fish
    Performed by Gunnar Madsen
    published by Prometheus Music http://www.prometheus-music.com/

  8. Russian logic? by E++99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The Earth is a sphere, and its first satellite also must have a spherical shape"

    Ooookay.
    1. Re:Russian logic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what were the pointy bits for then?
      Symbolic of a planned space elevator system perhaps?

    2. Re:Russian logic? by RuBLed · · Score: 1

      My guess is there was a Japanese in the team...

    3. Re:Russian logic? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Most certainly not. You remember how bulky it all was? Japanese technology is tiny, after all you have to fit it into your home somehow.

      So, any stereotypes missing?

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    4. Re:Russian logic? by E++99 · · Score: 1

      "The Earth is a sphere, and its first satellite also must have a spherical shape"

      Actually, I'm revising my theory. This is something far more devious. This is MANAGERIAL LOGIC! Instead of him, the Nobel Prize people should have offered the award to the engineers who had to work under him!

    5. Re:Russian logic? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      what were the pointy bits for then?

      To make for cool lamps. Sputnik-style lamps were popular in the late 50's. The design was a metal sphere with lights-on-stems jutting out all over. If you saw one, you would probably say, "Oh yeah, one of those things, seen them on old shows; hey, it does look kinda sputnikky".

    6. Re:Russian logic? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      The pointy bits were to represent the same PHB thinking that came up with the "first sat should be a sphere" because "earth is a sphere".

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  9. might've at least reworded the article title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As Yahoo is my homepage, it is weird to see a yahoo story, then check Slashdot, and bingo... same headline, same story. I guess I shouldn't complain, though; it was a milestone (I was nine years old) and prompted a big push for science (International Geophysical Year). However, it was seen as a threat, since it was known that the USSR had hydrogen (fusion) bombs and none of us expected to ever grow to adulthood, with all the civil defense movies that warned us about the flash that was "ten times brighter than the day". (tip-of-the-hat to Quicksilver Messenger Service)
    To celebrate the event now takes some rewiring internally.

    1. Re:might've at least reworded the article title by smchris · · Score: 2

      Absolutely. The little beeping ball that ramped up both the space race and the cold war.

      Six in my case but I still remember the adults pondering the implications of this Russian "thing" right over their very own heads.

  10. The effects.... by iknownuttin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    "We didn't believe that you would outpace the Americans with your satellite, but you did it. Now you should launch something new by Nov. 7," Korolyov quoted Khrushchev telling him, according to Grechko.

    And then America got their ass in gear and realized that science is important and started a program that vastly improved science education and learning science became the "cool" thing to do.

    There were some benefits in the existence of the Soviet Union.

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    1. Re:The effects.... by servognome · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And then America got their ass in gear and realized that science is important and started a program that vastly improved science education and learning science became the "cool" thing to do.
      It wasn't about cool, it was about patriotism and fear. If communism was "superior" then other countries might adopt it; not to mention the strategic benefits of putting stuff in space like cameras, nuclear weapons, etc.
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    2. Re:The effects.... by hjrnunes · · Score: 1

      and learning science became the "cool" thing to do.
      Yep. And also teaching... Sagan, Penrose, Jastrow, Hawking... It spawned a golden age for popular science! Unfortunately, I believe we're going down medieval on science now... Poor Carl would be disappointed.
    3. Re:The effects.... by megaditto · · Score: 1

      So, we need a new enemy, foreign or domestic, right? All the more reason to vote for Billary/Osama in 2008!

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    4. Re:The effects.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitch ass motherfucker.

    5. Re:The effects.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      learning science became the "cool" thing to do

      On what planet or alternate reality? There are still very few kids who want to learn about science, and very few American public school teachers qualified to help. Nerds are still bullied today, as they were back when this geezer (who was 5 when Sputnik launched) was still a kid. They read crap like "People Magazine", not Popular Science. They think being a rap star or sports star and going to jail is cool, not studying science (actually not studying period).

      IINM I was the first nerd ever (and maybe the only one ever) to be respected, if not accepted, by my classmates. Two things happened in the 7th grade.

      The first was my "hydrogen bomb". I wanted to make some floating balloons, so I researched how to make helium, found it impractical, and decided on hydrogen. Of the two methods I found, chemical seemed the easiest, so I used it. When the balloon wouldn't float (a very small one passed the "extremely flammable" test) I brought it to school, meaning to ask my science teacher why it wouldn't float.

      "You have WHAT in your locker?!?!?!?!" he exclaimed, horrified, and took me to the principal's office. I was very nearly expelled. Today I'd probably been sent to jail, but the teachers finally realized that they had run across something they seldom saw - a kid with curiosity and literacy. I suffered no punishment.

      However, news soon spread that "mcgrew brought a hydrogen bomb to school!" and was going to blow it up and burn it down! 7th graders being 7th graders, well, I was cool in their eyes.

      The second was when a kid taller and heavier than me bullied me for a couple of months until I snapped and beat the holy hell out of him. Even the gangster types (yes, they were around then, but they were all white) respected me.

      But I was the only one. All the other nerds got laughed at and beat up - and they still do.

      -mcgrew

      (Mod points don't affect AC, but you may note that "bad moon rising" is the first sentence in the linked article)

  11. 10 Ways to Commemorate Sputnik by lessgravity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sputnik was a wonderful achievement and deserves to be commemorated. Read here 10 ways you can commemorate Sputnik:
    http://rocketry.wordpress.com/2007/09/27/all-things-sputnik/

  12. Re:In Soviet Russia... by ThirdPrize · · Score: 1

    Especially as Laika was temporary project manager at the time.

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  13. Improvised "Triumph" by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 3, Funny

    I gotta quit reading motorcycle blogs just before reading Slashdot. All I could think was you had a satellite that leaked oil and every time it was in Earth's shadow the electrics would fail. I guess it really was like a 1960s Triumph -- you get it started once and take the hell off, and hope to God it stays running for the whole trip.

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    1. Re:Improvised "Triumph" by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of when, (way back when), I stopped by a stranded Yamaha biker who immediately said, "Great, you're on a Triumph so you *must* have a good toolkit!" He was right, of course...

    2. Re:Improvised "Triumph" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (...) I stopped by a stranded Yamaha biker (...)

      Liar. Only a Sputnik could stop a Yamaha.
  14. BBC Space Race by Cee · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case you haven't seen the BBC docu-drama Space Race, watch it.

    1. Re:BBC Space Race by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      I watched it. It contains A LOT of factual errors.

      Better read Chertok's memoirs (http://www.astronautix.com/articles/chemoirs.htm) and his book "Rockets and people" (unfortunately, I can't find its translation in Internet, but I know it exists) if you want to know about Russian space program.

    2. Re:BBC Space Race by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      IMHO, the best docudrama EVER.

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    3. Re:BBC Space Race by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      I should also lament that, sadly, it's still not available on DVD here in the U.S. (lucky for me, I still have the DVD I made from the original broadcast on the National Geographic channel).

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  15. 12 years, not 22 years by TrueJim · · Score: 2, Informative

    "In the end, it was the Americans who won the race to the moon, nearly 22 years later."

            22 years! What?

            I guess TFA meant 12 years.

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    1. Re:12 years, not 22 years by gemtech · · Score: 1

      I thought that I was taking crazy pills, too (yes, Zoolander was on over the weekend). Are we the only 2 that saw the bad math?

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    2. Re:12 years, not 22 years by gardyloo · · Score: 1

      How the hell did you add one and one to get tw --- Oh, nevermind.

    3. Re:12 years, not 22 years by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Another excel bug?

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    4. Re:12 years, not 22 years by background+image · · Score: 1

      Another excel bug?

      Geez, give them a break, will you? It's just a display bug...

      :-)

  16. Re:While the Apollo program was a deliberate succe by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Well, I don't know about you but I wouldn't call the Apollo program an ICBM that was last-minute sidetracked to launch a satellite, I'm fairly sure it was deliberately made to land on the moon. While you can certainly question what JFK was smoking when he announced it, it seems to me the execution was rather well thought out. When did you last see a multi-billion dollar government program deliver the goods as promised and on schedule?

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  17. Re:While the Apollo program was a deliberate succe by Flavio · · Score: 1

    You mean as opposed to the Apollo program which was a well thought out deliberate success?

    YES. And who modded you up?

  18. Obvious! by zygotic+mitosis · · Score: 1

    Both Earth and its first satellite were known to be spheres long before these guys ever made this declaration!

  19. The real space junk is the myths. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, "the world" did not "gaze at the heavens in awe and apprehension" as Sputnik orbited. America gazed at the heavens in awe and apprehension, but as Americans often need reminding, America is not the entire world.

    Second, in the 1950s everyone was shitting themselves over the prospect of a global thermonuclear holocaust, and so the whole space race was the transformation of rocket science from a cool but fairly arcane and quiet field of science into some sort of overhyped modern day mythic single combat, with astronauts painted as knights in white armor championing and defending their tribes, doing some sort of weird imaginary battle in the skies. It wasted a lot of tax money that could have been better spent on American schools and hospitals and Russian food and clothing, and did pretty much nothing towards overthrowing the tyranny of Stalin, who killed many more of his own citizens than Hitler, or making the governments of the US and USSR understand that the other side were in fact humans and not demons or animals.

    It did get a whole hell of a lot of astronauts laid like you wouldn't believe, though. I strongly recommend reading Tom Wolfe's "The Right Stuff," even if you have forgotten how to read an entire book, because it's an easy read and very well worth it. I especially love the section where he describes how Chuck Yeager pretty much ascended bodily to Pilot Heaven when he became the first person to break the sound barrier during level flight on October 14, 1947, years before the space race was even so much as a bad dream.

    Finally, the USSR had the early lead in unmanned flight but the US eventually won in manned flight, so you could say that in Soviet Russia, people launched rockets to the moon, but in the United States, rockets launched YOU!

    1. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by Sheltem+The+Guardian · · Score: 0

      You're in fact a little clueless. Sputnik 1 was launched in 1957 and Stalin died in 1953.

    2. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by willwarner · · Score: 1

      Whoops! You are exactly right, and I should have tarred the tyranny of Stalinism or Soviet Communism, not Stalin himself, who I'd mistakenly thought lived past Sputnik.

    3. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by GreggBz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know what always gets me is the money better spent argument.

      Subtract Sputnik
      Subtract Yuri G
      Subtract a Man on the Moon
      Subtract Hubble
      Subtract the Voyager Probes
      Subtract the Mir and the ISS
      Subtract the Mars Rovers

      First, you would have tiny science section at Barns&Noble, no neat documentaries on television and little or no satellite communications networks. You would have reduced meteorological warnings, reduced understanding of agriculture, global warming and the ozone layer, a reduced understanding of the Universe, it's meaning and what makes things work, reduced understanding of fission, fusion and the Sun, and no beautiful awe-inspiring photographs to look at on the Internet. In fact, the Internet might not work as well even, because of those satellite things above. And maybe the Vatican and Catholics still think we are the center of the Universe.

      And secondly, we'd be stuck on this rock, with no hope of escaping. No doubt, we are all going to die here, eventually. What good will any human accomplishments ever be? If not for the above things, that would be the inevitable mindset, hopelessness. Have you ever really looked at the picture of Earth from the Moon? Have you ever read the Carl Sagan essay, Pale Blue Dot? I can think of no single picture, words and idea that brings humans together. It is everyones home, the only one we've ever had, after all.

      A fraction, FRACTION of the federal US budget is spent on NASA. I, for one, see science and space exploration as beneficial to all humans. For me, every dollar that goes into a new probe, or improved human presence in space, whatever the "motivation" for doing so, is a dollar better spent.

    4. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      ...overhyped modern day mythic single combat, with astronauts painted as knights in white armor championing and defending their tribes, doing some sort of weird imaginary battle in the skies. It wasted a lot of tax money...

      Some consider the space-race a stand-in for actual war, which can be nasty in the nuclear era. Even if there was only a 1% chance that the space-race prevented armaggedon, it would weeellll worth the cost. You may now be glowing in the dark if not for the space-race.

      In the animal kingdom, growling and puffery displays of aggression often saves both males from having to do *actual* battle during mating season. This is because they can often demonstrate who is likely mightier without physical contact, which can lead to perm damage for both parties. The space-race is perhaps the same kind of thing. Humans are still animals and sometimes we can learn about ourselves from watching buffalo, etc. Sometimes they have wisdom that we don't when it comes to war. We have more toys than buffalo, but not always more wisdom.

    5. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1

      It wasted a lot of tax money that could have been better spent on American schools and hospitals


      Except the advances in science and technology were put back into American schools and hospitals... Then there's those nifty things called communication satellites, GPS, LandSats, etc. You, sir, are a clueless, bitter, bitter man. As someone else already pointed out, Stalin was well past room temperature when this all started. Heck, JUST reading the article would have told you that.

      And the space race led directly to greater cooperation between the US and the USSR. The Apollo/Soyuz project was a big deal and was for a lot more than show. Shuttle/Mir let the US come in and help the Russians w/o them losing face and that was continued into ISS. So your other attacks on it are specious at best.
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    6. Re:The real space junk is the myths. by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 1

      It wasted a lot of tax money that could have been better spent on American schools...

      Funny, a lot of that tax money WAS spent on American schools. It's the legacy of Sputnik that the schools teach science and math to the extent that they do, as eroded as it has become in past decades.

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  20. Re:first mutt in space .. by rs232 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Laika died of a heart attack early in the mission (not too surprising!)"

    There was no mention at the time of Laika dying in orbit, indeed the impression given was thet he safely returned to earth. Later on they mentioned him dying during reentry or euthanized by injection in orbit, or died of fright just after take-off, later on in a book written by one of the Russians who actually worked on the project there is mention of the mutt being electrocuted.

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  21. Again, only a part of the story by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    A little more background info-- our German guys at Huntsville arsenal could have launched a satellite before the Russians. But our govt decided it would not be cool for the first thing in orbit to be pushed there by a rocket designed to launch a nuclear warhead. So our satellite program was required to start from scratch, with a completely peaceful launch vehicle.

    1. Re:Again, only a part of the story by AsnFkr · · Score: 1

      A little more background info-- our German guys at Huntsville arsenal could have launched a satellite before the Russians. But our govt decided it would not be cool for the first thing in orbit to be pushed there by a rocket designed to launch a nuclear warhead. So our satellite program was required to start from scratch, with a completely peaceful launch vehicle.

      Thats correct depending on your source. The US was apprehensive about publicly breaking international no-fly zones and setting a precedent that allows spacecraft to inhabit these regions as *altitude* of no-fly zones was never defined previously. Once the Soviets flew over our no-fly zones the precedent was established for the rest of the world.

    2. Re:Again, only a part of the story by BigKevDotMac · · Score: 1

      But, Jupiter-C's were already deployed in Turkey as IRBMs....With Nukes.
      This later became a bone of contention during the Cuban Misslie Crisis

      Robert F. Kennedy, Thirteen Days: A Memoir of the Cuban Missile Crisis (New York: Mentor Books, 1969)

  22. an extraordinary claim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that is an extraordinary claim. You have some evidence you can show us, right?

    1. Re:an extraordinary claim! by imsabbel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, its kind of true (but with a different spin, of course).

      The fact was, that the US program deemed the nuclear missile program as too sensitive and secret to let scientist mess with it, so they were forced to do a parallel development with the vanguard program (which of course lagged behind without the military budget).

      The seperation was there, but the reason wasnt one of public image, but of paranoid secrecy.

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    2. Re:an extraordinary claim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's well known. Go read a little about the Vanguard program.

    3. Re:an extraordinary claim! by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      Wow, that is an extraordinary claim. You have some evidence you can show us, right?

      The Jupiter C rocket was capable of orbiting a satellite prior to October, 1957:

      Re-entry vehicle test booster and satellite launcher derived from Redstone missile. The Jupiter A version of the Redstone missile was modified with upper stages to test Jupiter re-entry vehicle configurations. Von Braun's team was ordered to ballast the upper stage with sand to prevent any 'inadvertent' artificial satellites from stealing thunder from the official Vanguard program. Korolev's R-7 orbited the first earth satellite instead.
    4. Re:an extraordinary claim! by megaditto · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think you are correct. You are probably thinking of MX-774 which was never sucessfully launched; the first real launch was Atlas A in 1957 around the same time as the Soviet R-7. Moreover, it was used for both military and civilian purposes.

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    5. Re:an extraordinary claim! by pjabardo · · Score: 1

      Actually, the first successful ICBM test was realized in the USSR. The wikipedia article on ICBM's has some of the history.

  23. Korolyov's story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Korolyov had a staggeringly hard time under Stalin. Read the Gulag section of his Wikipedia entry ... in Soviet Russia ... ah forget it. Amazing he was able to work at all.

  24. We don't have progress. by Shohat · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Thing is, we are living in the most peaceful era in human history.
    We are living in unexciting times, science and technology are developing slowly and in a linear manner, normal progress instead of breakthroughs. It has been so for the last 50 years. I envy the people that got to see 1880-1960 - they could wake up and see their world upside-down due to a breakthrough(or a war...). Flight, television, nuclear power, space travel, transistors, jets, relativity... They actually had hero-scientists/engineers back then. We don't have a single mainstream-known scientist or engineer nowadays. There is no Bell, Wright, Einstein, Tesla...
    Just think about how long it would take to get the atom bomb (or nuclear power station) without WW2, how long it would take to get to space without the cold-war race, how long would it take before we'd have Jet engines without the need for better warplanes.
    What is more annoying , is that real space exploration and colonization can only be done in a society that doesn't see money as top priority, and it is sad to see China breaking under pressure and becoming more capitalistic/democratic instead of the the world moving away from that model.
    Anyway, the next 40 years will be a total waste. Corporations and not governments direct research nowadays, so don't expect significant space exploration/travel in the near future. Bleh

    1. Re:We don't have progress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is more annoying , is that real space exploration and colonization can only be done in a society that doesn't see money as top priority, and it is sad to see China breaking under pressure and becoming more capitalistic/democratic instead of the the world moving away from that model. Anyway, the next 40 years will be a total waste. Corporations and not governments direct research nowadays, so don't expect significant space exploration/travel in the near future. Bleh

      And yet you continue to explore new frontiers of stupidity every day.

    2. Re:We don't have progress. by willwarner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Italy for thirty years under the Borgias had warfare, terror, murder, bloodshed, but produced Michelangelo, DaVinci, and the Renaissance. And Switzerland had brotherly love and five hundred years of democracy and peace. And what did they produce? The cuckoo clock." -Orson Welles from the 1949 picture "The Third Man"

      This is a really fantastic movie speech, and it's a damn shame that it's just a bunch of horseshit. It is true that public research funding for areas other than defense has weakened greatly, which sucks, and left corporations and hobbyists to pick up the slack, but the NSF is still doing a hell of a lot more than any public institution in Tesla's day.

      As to lack of conflict breeding lack of innovation, this is precisely where you are wrong. Wars and other great pressures push inventions into the public eye-- how many people rode in an airplane before WWII compared to during?-- but inventors prefer to work when there aren't any bombs falling around them. I could belabor the point with examples, but I'm not even going to bother. Just look at anyone who's done anything at all with computers in the last half century. For starters.

      Furthermore, the pace of technological progress and its impact on people's lives continues to accelerate. Plastic surgery, cell phones, commercial rocket flights, myspace. And we do have hero scientists and engineers, a trend that increased massively during the dotcom boom and never completely reversed, and was ironically led by Bill Gates, who is not a hero to most scientists and engineers, but was popularly portrayed as a hero engineer until about 1998 or so when the antitrust lawsuits really kicked in.

      Finally, as to it being sad to see China becoming capitalistic, I would rather have a humane culture than an innovative one, but since America has been leading the world in both, it's a false opposition. And as to it being sad to see China becoming democratic, well, that rather remains to be seen.

    3. Re:We don't have progress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see you gloss over the very medium you're using to communicate that message.

    4. Re:We don't have progress. by Shohat · · Score: 1

      Cell phones ? Cell phones were invented in 1945. And we don't have commercial rocket flights yet, and myspace is just a young niche website I don't even see how that fits into "technology" in any way. Angelfire, Lycos, Geocities and others sold for billions also, and nobody cares what they are for nowadays . And what the hell does plastic surgery has to do with anything?
      Dotcom boom "technology" ?!?!!? Dotcom boom was not about technology, it was about doing the same business, but online. The biggest "bombs" were e-tailers like Pets, Boo, online markets, etc... When I am talking technology, I mean real things. Like the fact that we still use the combustion engine, like the fact that we still have power lines, the fact that space exploration has gone nowhere, we don't have cloning, immortality, cure for cancer, real alternative power sources, etc... "American" technologies like Plastic surgeries and myspace and the dotcoms have nothing to do with what I am talking about.

    5. Re:We don't have progress. by Shohat · · Score: 1

      Nice to see you gloss over the very medium you're using to communicate that message
      I hope you know how old the internet concept is. And the initial reason for its conception. This actually proves my point.
    6. Re:We don't have progress. by willwarner · · Score: 1

      We do have cloning.

      Wait a minute. Am I feeding the troll?

    7. Re:We don't have progress. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      We don't have a single mainstream-known scientist or engineer nowadays. There is no Bell, Wright, Einstein, Tesla...

      Hawking, Rutan, Torvalds, Jobs.

    8. Re:We don't have progress. by jcnnghm · · Score: 1

      Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve. Officers and men alike will put forth their uttermost strength. Soldiers when in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard. Thus, without waiting to be marshaled, the soldiers will be constantly on the qui vive; without waiting to be asked, they will do your will; without restrictions, they will be faithful; without giving orders, they can be trusted. - Sun Tzu

      I suppose the constant looming threat of nuclear war could be compared to a position of no escape.

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    9. Re:We don't have progress. by Shohat · · Score: 1

      Job's did not invent anything of significant or of scientific value, he is the CEO(?) of a tech-toy company for rich people. Trovals didn't either, he is a gifted programmer that coordinates the effor of building a nice *nix OS, which is no way is revolutionary (And Trovalds is a relatively anonymous person). And while Rutan is a very gifted engineer, he is also far from being a household name. Hawking is a stunning man, but the fact that he is famous is attributed to his best-selling books and physical condition, and not his contribution to Theoretical physics.

    10. Re:We don't have progress. by Scaba · · Score: 1

      Ah, so what you're saying is anything that causes your argument to fail doesn't count?

    11. Re:We don't have progress. by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Calling bullshit on this one.

      In the 20th century, we pushed the envelope on what the science of the time would allow. I might be naive to say this, but by the 70s, modern science was rapidly approaching its limits (at least on the frontiers that were being explored at the time)

      Now that we've reached that limit, we're starting new frontiers open up, particularly in how we can engineer new products and materials out of existing technology --- this doesn't occur through breakthroughs or sudden leaps and bounds.

      Quantum Mechanics wasn't developed overnight, and I'm sure that many of the physicists involved in the field at the time were frustrated as hell by the fact that none of their data could even be remotely explained by what we thought were the fundamental laws of the universe. In retrospect, it's a remarkable and groundbreaking discovery, but at the time, I'm pretty sure the physicists were going "What the $&*#* is this?"

      We've got ITER and the LHC. In the US, the NSF and DoE are constantly pushing the envelope as best as their budgets will allow (and contrary to what you may believe, they actually do receive a good bit of money, even if it is dwarfed by our military spending). If Fusion doesn't work out (I'm 50/50 on that one), we've still got promising research into fuel cells, safer methods of nuclear generation, and we're starting to see the large-scale proliferation of wind and solar power.

      The Hubble Space Telescope is arguably the most scientifically important accomplishment in the history of manned spaceflight. The fact that Spirit and Opportunity are still chugging along is also a staggering accomplishment. Sure, NASA's got some very serious issues it needs to work out at the moment, but there's no denying that they've contributed greatly to our knowledge of engineering and science.

      The space race was very heavily dependent upon German rocket research during both of their wars, and wasn't quite as groundbreaking as you would be led to think it was -- it wasn't as simple as "Hey. What if we aimed these things at the sky instead of London?", but the basic technology was already there.

      Speaking of space, how about SpaceShipOne, and Virgin Galactic? Considering the "shoestring" budget it was built on, it's a bloody impressive accomplishment that they developed and produced a craft capable of sub-orbital flight for less than it costs to build a 747.

      We're building airliners out of Carbon Fiber. The Boeing 787 is supposed to be something like 20% more efficient than a traditional passenger jet. It's not quite as dramatic as a new form of propulsion, but it's still a pretty dramatic jump.

      Carbon fiber is also starting to show up in consumer products. Strong as steel, as light as plastic. If the cost of manufacturing it falls to reasonable levels, there are some very cool applications. All sorts of other new classes of materials are emerging as well.

      In the past 15 years: the internet, global cellular coverage -- even in 3rd-world nations. Enough said.

      Certain cancers now have extremely high odds of survival if they're detected early enough. This list of "certain cancers" is growing every day. There may be no miracle cure-all, but we've made impressive progress nonetheless.

      If you took my iMac, or my digital camera back to 1970, I'm pretty sure they'd be quite impressed.

      I'm not going to deny that we may have slowed down a bit. However, we're on the brink of some very exciting new stuff, and it's exactly not fair to compare the past 20 years to an entire century. I'll take slow progress over World War 3 any day.

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    12. Re:We don't have progress. by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Informative

      I might be naive to say this, but by the 70s, modern science was rapidly approaching its limits (at least on the frontiers that were being explored at the time)

      Saying that "science has reached it's limit" today is just as foolish as saying it in 1907 or 1807 would have been (and people did). It can be hard for a non-scientist to understand what current research consists of, and it can be even harder for a non-scientist to guess at what of current research will directly result in visible applications, but that doesn't mean that science has stopped - just that you can't see it move.

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    13. Re:We don't have progress. by aflag · · Score: 0

      I'd rather have no Internet than having my country bombed. But wait, you're american, the bombing is done in foreign lands, so what do you care, right?

    14. Re:We don't have progress. by zerocool^ · · Score: 2, Insightful


      Today's amazing world of new discovery is the internet, man.

      As a child of the 80's, I couldn't imagine living in a world where I didn't have instant access to infinite information, as well as interaction with people of all classes, races, and nationality. The internet is today's final frontier, it is the great equalizer, it is the breaker of barriers and opener of doors - and eyes. This is where social progress is being made. If you want to talk scientific progress as well, the modern day Einstein, Bell, and Tesla are now (in no particular order) Bram Cohen, Shawn Fanning, and Justin Frankel.

      The internet is the most important thing humankind has produced, adapted, and adopted in the past quarter century. It is capable of breaking corporate monopolies as well as building massive revenue streams; capable of watching all the citizens, as well as watching all the watchers; capable of providing a channel for infinite entertainment, as well as many many jobs; capable of bringing all the peoples of the world together. Believe it; the internet is humankind's most valuable resource going into the 21st century.

      ~Wx

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    15. Re:We don't have progress. by russotto · · Score: 1

      We are living in unexciting times, science and technology are developing slowly and in a linear manner, normal progress instead of breakthroughs. It has been so for the last 50 years.


      You seem to be serious. If so, you're out of your mind. You dismiss major breakthrough developments (PCs and the Internet, for example) on the grounds that they had earlier seeds, but you fail to realize that earlier breakthroughs had earlier seeds as well; rocketry is millenia old.

      In basic science, you're even further off. Off the top of my head, just in my lifetime, there's been the development of liquid-nitrogen temperature superconductors, the discovery of C60 and its related compounds, the discovery of extrasolar planets, and the demolition of the Big Bang theory as I once knew it. That last -- the discovery that the universe is not only expanding, but that the rate of expansion is increasing -- is of about as much relevance to the man on the street as special relativity was when Einstein came up with it.

      And that's without even getting into biology and biochemistry.
    16. Re:We don't have progress. by Teancum · · Score: 1

      If we are slowing down, it is because of bul*s*** regulations such as the Department of Homeland Security placing a ban on the sale of hydrogen peroxide or the DEA doing something similar with cough medicine.

      Simply put, even from when I was a teenager until today (just a couple of decades ago) there were things you could get and purchase... without bureaucratic red tape.... that simply can't be done today in the name of "public safety". And it is getting worse rather than better.

      Just another "for instance", as a teenager I used to go to the local pharmacy and purchase a 2 lb bottle of potassium nitrate (aka Salt Peter) and make my own home grown black powder and rocket fuel. It was sold at a pharmacy because it is also a heart medication to help out after a heart attack (drug companies now sell more expensive alternatives).

      A more recent example was Armadillo Aerospace and their research into hydrogen peroxide rockets. A very legitimate and even open company that even law enforcement people could look into and check up on. They had some amazing rockets that used hydrogen peroxide as a mono propellant and achieved some incredible ISP numbers with them. But after they got beyond the casual hobbyist level of usage and tried to ramp up production on larger prototypes, John Carmack ran into a huge barrier put up by the Department of Homeland Security and kept them from being "certified" as a company who could use this chemical in large quantities. Those suppliers who could provide this chemical were afraid due to lawsuits and this red tape to provide sufficient quantities to continue the research. So Armadillo switched to another propellant scheme not because of scientific or engineering concerns, but for legal and poltical reasons alone.

      There is also a huge clamping down on original research in many places, and kids are also not taught the scientific method in school much. This isn't to say they aren't taught about the scientific method, but that isn't the same thing. It is one thing to discuss the philosophical concepts of the scientific method, and another to actually do it and attempt to discover new truths about the universe.

      People who did garage-level scientific research (a fair bit still happens) have always been considered a little bit odd, but were usually tolerated. I do believe that one-man small scale research can still happen in many areas of science that can be compared to Linnaeus, Goddard, or even Franklin. My kids have done science fair experiments that have produced, at least for me, unexpected results. Unfortunately it is the "big science" that usually is considered sexy and attracts the big money.

    17. Re:We don't have progress. by Teancum · · Score: 1

      Substitute Jobs for Wozniak and I think you have a real winner in terms of somebody who IMHO is the modern equivalent of Edison or Tesla... but with a former CEO that ignored his genius and dismissed the potential factory of new ideas that could have come out of that inventor/engineer.

      In terms of Hawking, his "discovery" of Hawking radiation is a unique and seminal accomplishment that is at least on the order of the Photoelectric Effect, and may still yield something of a positive value to mankind in the future. The jury is still out on if that is a significant principle on a practical basis or not. In addition to Hawking radiation, he has also pushed the frontiers of Relativity in other areas as well, and has been instrumental in helping the next generation of physicists learn what the masters of the past understood.

      As for Rutan, I think you are selling him short and premature on the fame side of the equation. It would be hard to compare Rutan to Goddard, as Goddard was also relatively unknown by people at the beginning of the 20th Century when he was doing most of his experiments. This is one of those "we'll see in 100 years if Rutan is famous or not". Goddard is famous only because of those who followed his work, in particular Werner Von Braun who copied Goddard's designs and pushed them well up to the next level on several subsequent designs that let ultimately to the Saturn V. Von Braun was just a kid when Goddard was doing his experiments, but hugely inspired by Goddard and other rocketry pioneers. If Rutan is successful with an orbital spacecraft, he will be remembered for much more than just Spaceship One.

    18. Re:We don't have progress. by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "I hope you know how old the internet concept is. And the initial reason for its conception. This actually proves my point."

      Only if your point is that you're able to ignore those facts which clearly refute you in order to avoid admitting you were wrong.

      Which you've done several times now.

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    19. Re:We don't have progress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. I was born in 1952, you're WRONG.

      In the 1960s doors didn't open automatically like they do in today's stores. There were no digital watches or calculators. Cars had no seat belts, there were no stereo FM rock stations (link documents the first, in 1967), nor were there FM car radios.

      In the 1970s doors opened automatically, there were digital watches and calculators, but no VCRs or microwave ovens (well, IIRC my mom had a microwave in the very late '70s, it was incredibly primitive and cost a shipload of money). There were no PCs (again, there was the Commodore PET, etc, in the very end of the decade, the Altair doesn't count). No CDs.

      In the 1980s there were no DVDs, no cell phones, no CD burners for PCs. No flat screen TV sets. Air bags, ABS, and fuel injection was only on insanely expensive cars; they were brand new.

      In the 1990s there were still no flat screen TVs, and there were no CrystaLens IOLs, the internet was brand new, and your cell phone was the same as a landline only more complicated to use; no email, text, or internet access on one.

      Other breakthroughs I glossed over are things that we'd be better off without, such as tasers, pain rays, and the new non-nuclear super bombs.

      Progress never sleeps, even if some good technologies die

      -mcgrew (sm62704)

    20. Re:We don't have progress. by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      Rutan? Torvalds? Gates? Jobs? Wozniak?

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      God is everything science has yet to explain.
    21. Re:We don't have progress. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Job's did not invent anything of significant or of scientific value,

      He was more of a techy in his early days, but definitely overshadowed by Wozniak. However, how many of the inventions that came out of Edison's labs were really Edison's? While no slouch, Edison's real talent was in pulling together an R&D team and focusing them on a problem. In that sense there are a lot of similarities between Jobs and Edison (although I wouldn't rank them equal).

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  25. Here, I'll fix that for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "an AP article featuring interviews with the men"

    (Boy, the age bias is is everywhere. The captcha for this comment was "grayed".)

  26. all this talk of sputniks... by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    and no mention of Nancy Luft?

    Recall the mass media complaining about possible radioactive fallout over India, some years ago, from a Russian sputnik that was nuclear powered? Today's sputniks are far more powerful then the ones that caused that 1908 Tunguska Explosion because they are nuclear powered and the Russians are not using nuclear power to only spy, no way! Plus today's sputniks are fully computerized and do things much faster. The Special Sputnik Forces of the Russian Military tell me that they care very easily kill over 95% of all Americans, with their sputniks alone, no nukes, without any warning what so ever, in a matter of a few minutes, any time that they care to do so. But the Russians can only vaporize a limited number of cities and then they will cause a nuclear winter sort of event that will kill them, too. - And we couldn't have that now could we? Carrying a dire warning on the very first page that "USA to be annihilated!", this website, http://hometown.aol.com/nancyaluft/, is the home of dedicated net kook and certifiable paranoid Nancy Luft whom, with her genius level IQ (which would account for her excellent grasp of grammar and sentence construction) and her BA (whoo-hoo!) is trying desperately to warn us all of the terrible dangers of Russia's Special Sputnik Forces. Since time immemorial Russian sputniks (which, she tells us early in the piece, means "travelling companion") armed with gamma rays and ray guns have been causing earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, Presidential assassinations, space shuttle disasters and all sorts of plagues and pestilences. They've been at it for centuries, even before the invention of spaceflight and, heck, even before there was a Russia! The Tunguska impact in 1908 for example wasn't a meteor, it was caused by Russian sputniks! MS, cancer, heart attacks, crop circles and every air crash ever have all been carved out by an orbiting army of Russian killer satellites shooting everything that moves with an array of invisible ray beams. They were also responsible for Nostradamus making his predictions, Jesus walking on water, Edgar Cayce healing people by touch alone and Abe Lincoln winning the Civil War. Oh, and they also caused Mt St Helens to explode and shot down the space shuttle Challenger, which she tried to tell people about but they wouldn't listen. And how does Nancy know these things? The Russians are transmitting their thoughts to her by microwave. She's tried writing to various Presidents about all this but, strangely, they just don't take any notice.

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    1. Re:all this talk of sputniks... by night_flyer · · Score: 1
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  27. Re:first mutt in space .. by pitu · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought that laika died in space from 'overheating", though
    its temp was about 38C which was 'normal', and then they concluded they
    needed not only to sustain air temp but provide a ventilator for air flow...

      something like that...

  28. Korolyov's legacy. by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Makes you wonder what the face of space exploration would look like today if Korolyov had survived long enough to complete the N-series launchers and actually got them to the moon.

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    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  29. 50 years later still looking for an explanation... by Venik · · Score: 1

    It amazes me that 50 years after Sputnik's launch Americans are still trying to explain why they weren't first in space. If you have any idea of what is involved in designing, building and launching space vehicles, you already know that in this business nothing happens by accident. Not even accidents. So the elderly Russian space pioneers are being modest. It doesn't mean we have to be naive. Of course Sputnik launch was successful on the first try not because the Russians got lucky, but because they knew what they were doing.

    The say the entire Politburo wearing nothing but peacock skirts had to dance for hours around Vostok 1 to build up good juju before Gagarin's flight.

  30. not even accidents... by willwarner · · Score: 1

    "If you have any idea of what is involved in designing, building and launching space vehicles, you already know that in this business nothing happens by accident. Not even accidents."

    On the one hand, all things are complex and connected, and very visibly so in the field of rocket science, so perhaps you're arguing for a determinist worldview where everything all fits together in an inevitable single possible pattern, which is an unpopular idea since quantum physics, but still a defensible one if you believe in nonlocal effects or the many worlds interpretation. On the other hand, that sounds more like the kind of paranoid superstition that overtakes engineers who live in mortal terror of a mistake on the scale of the Challenger explosion.

    Oh, and speaking of paranoia, bad juju, and mad science, is there some drug I can take that will erase the mental image of that Politboro dance?

  31. Rude summary by Blahbooboo3 · · Score: 2

    "sends in an AP article featuring interviews with the [b]old men [/b]who launched the first satellite 50 year ago." Real impolite summary. How about just men? People? Brilliant men who accomplished an amazing feat 50 years ago? Calling them "old" is insulting and unnecessary.

    1. Re:Rude summary by willwarner · · Score: 1

      It's unnecessary and would have been better to leave out, but if they were all 18 50 years ago, they're all at least 68 today, and as relatively straightforward statements of fact go, it sure seems to have struck a nerve here at slashdot. Calling them "the men" instead of "the people" didn't really raise alarm bells, and I bet "the Russian men" wouldn't either. What are /.'s demographics, anyway?

    2. Re:Rude summary by chuck · · Score: 1

      I think when I'm 70 I'll proudly wear the badge of "old man" mostly because I'll be happy to be still alive. Chertok is 95! "Old" is an understatement, but why does it have to be an insult to you?

    3. Re:Rude summary by NotmyNick · · Score: 1

      "sends in an AP article featuring interviews with the [b]old men [/b]who launched the first satellite 50 year ago." Real impolite summary. How about just men? People? Brilliant men who accomplished an amazing feat 50 years ago? Calling them "old" is insulting and unnecessary.
      The man who seems to be the main focus of the article(the crown jewel, if you will) is 95. I'm sure he is quite comfortable with the term, whether in Russian, English or French. But hey, you got to act all self-righteous and gain a mod point for fighting the good fight on his behalf, so his 95 years really amounted to something.

      Now remind us why old is supposed to be derogatory.

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  32. Interesting reaction coming from the USA. by Erikderzweite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I really enjoy reading all the comments from US /.ers immediately recalling their moon program. Come on! As much as you would like to think that USA was and remains a superior country, you have to admit, that your precious country wasn't the first one to explore space.

    That always reminds me of NASA referring to Yuri Gagarin as to "The first European in space". Even 50 years later the US-American ego is badly hurt by Soviet supremacy in space.

    Nevertheless, it is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.

    1. Re:Interesting reaction coming from the USA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that your precious country"

      *rant from a 6 year old in a fit of jealousy

    2. Re:Interesting reaction coming from the USA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are like that because US is dead. They have the highest drug use rate, teenager pregnancy is on the rise, suicide is on the rise. Their economy is crumbling down. They live on a dictatorship with the NSA listening to their conversations and reading their e-mails, and redneck cops tasering and shooting people at will on the streets. They have their own Gulag with the Gitmo jail, where they torture people without giving them the right to a fair trial.
      So, who is the bad dictatorship now?
      I prefer comrade Putin, and now we will even have Ukraine back on the team... Let's see who is going to win the war, by the end...
      We did that old Russian style: we retreat, you think we lost, and then we come back and tabula-rasa you. We did that with Napoleon, on the first patriotic war, we did that with the germans, on the second patriotic war, and we are doing that with the Amerikansky, just now...

    3. Re:Interesting reaction coming from the USA. by SIIHP · · Score: 1

      "Even 50 years later the US-American ego is badly hurt by Soviet supremacy in space. "

      No, as your post shows, that more from your perception than reality.

      Soviet supremacy stopped being an issue 40 something years ago, and most people from my generation wouldn't be able to tell you what it meant.

      I don't honestly think most people give a damn, and the ones that do are smart enough to realize that the US accomplishments in space outstrip anyone and everyone else.

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    4. Re:Interesting reaction coming from the USA. by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

      Wow. After that brainless post, I guess Comrade Putin and his KGB are still brainwashing the Russian population.

      Our economy is crumbling down? Apparently you already forgot about what's left of the Russian economy, if there ever was one.

      Redneck cops tasering people at will? Definitely NOT TRUE. Even if it was true, it's better that the Russian equivalent of being beaten to a bloody pulp and shot, if the mock courts aren't already bad enough. Redneck cops you say? Not true either. And even if it was, being an American redneck cops is still better than a bankrupt, corrupt, drunken Russian cop.

      Highest drug use, teen pregnancy, and suicide? Look at the stats, PER CAPITA. What about Russian drug use, teen pregnancy, and suicide, in addition to corruption and alcoholism? I'd rather my neighbor smoke a little pot than sell Kalashnikovs, Semtex, RPGs, old tanks out of his garage. (I truly would prefer NEITHER).

      You didn't beat Napoleon: You fled the cities and let the winter do the job for you. Napoleon lost because so many of his men died from exposure to the elements. The only battle he fought was againts the cold in deserted towns.

      You didn't beat the Germans alone, either. You had out help. ALOT OF OUR HELP, AND FROM THE BRITS.

      Good luck getting Ukraine back on the team, or anyone from Eastern Europe, seeing as how Russia shut down the pipelines and is trying to freeze them into submission.

      We don't have a Gulag, but we should. Even regular citizens don't go to Gitmo, even the worst of them. Only suspected terrorists go there, and it is harder than one would think to get sent there.

      We don't live in a dictatorship, because we et to throw out presidents we don't like. Our elections are fair (there will ALWAYS be people who are unhappy and complain, so get used to it) compared to every other place in the world. Every election has accusations of fraud, NOT JUST THE U.S. At least we never arrested a chess player on suspicion of high treason.....

      Oh, and we do get fair trials, unlike to mock trial/circus/song-and-dance-show that the Russians have.

      Funny, I never heard you mention the Russin space shuttle. Ya know, if you guys had just asked for the plans to it, instead of going through a massive effor just to get plans that any gradeschooler could look up at the local library, we would have just given it to you and gladly saved you the trouble.

      If you are going to act all "tough guy" in your post, why did you post as Anonymous Coward?

      However, I'm going to be fair, and give the Russians the benefit of the doubt that they are not all as stupid and mindless as you are.

      Lay off the vodka. You are starting to pickle your brain.

      --
      Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
  33. science as prestige by willwarner · · Score: 1

    The space race was so loaded with contradictions it's hard to know where to begin. There were the supposedly internationalist Communists turning into flag-waving patriots, the supposedly internationalist American scientific community quietly scooping up cash from rabid American supremacist politicians, and the whole thing was a supposedly vital struggle that looks a lot more like a symbolic one from outside the two competing countries. All in all, I bet the politicians are glad that by the February 1980 they had switched to the Olympics. They're cheaper, safer, more reliably fixed, and full of athletes who don't ask nearly as many awkward questions as scientists and engineers about whether competition for its own sake is really a good idea, whether the competing nations aren't more similar than different, how the money's flowing, whose interests are being served, whether the press is being realistic and honest, and so on. Can't wait for the Beijing Bird's Nest Stadium show in Summer 08.

  34. And to you... by Jon.Laslow · · Score: 1

    ...for getting 'unusual' and 'Pamela Anderson' in the same sentence using 'boobs', three words which normally only go together with the word 'large' added.

  35. "The world" by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Informative

    > First, "the world" did not "gaze at the heavens in awe and apprehension" as Sputnik
    > orbited. America gazed at the heavens in awe and apprehension, but as Americans often
    > need reminding, America is not the entire world.

    My parents have told me they "gazed at the heavens in awe and apprehension", and they are not Americans.

    1. Re:"The world" by willwarner · · Score: 1

      Plenty of nations other than America, like Canada and Western Europe, had good reason to be apprehensive, and I imagine everyone would have felt some awe. But I doubt the Soviets or the Soviet sphere would have been apprehensive at all, and places like India and China could rest comfortably knowing they weren't in the line of fire.

    2. Re:"The world" by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      By the time Sputnik launched, China /definitely/ knew it was in the line of fire. Mao had already decided to go his own way by then.

      I don't know that much about India's history, so I won't speculate how people there felt.

    3. Re:"The world" by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      In a major nuclear conflict you don't have the luxury of being out of the line of fire, and everyone back then knew that. If we and the Russians had ever started lobbing those things around for real, odds are some of them wouldn't have hit anywhere near their targets. And even if the missiles had all hit with one hundred percent accuracy, dead on target, both sides had (and still have) numerous targets in countries around the world. That's not even counting such unpleasant potential end-games as Nuclear Winter, either. People of all nations had much to be concerned about in those days, and frankly ... they still do. The Cold War risks have been mitigated to a degree, but not eliminated, and we now have large-scale nuclear proliferation to worry us even further. Anyone who believes that the "World Is Now Safe for {insert favorite politico-economic system here}" is nuts.

      In the nuclear age there is no way to assure your nation's safety, no way to remain "neutral". The destructive potential is just too great, and even if you aren't thoroughly volatilized in the first thirty minutes of a nuclear war you will be impacted, one way or another.

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  36. Hey, that's my strategy too! by sheldon · · Score: 1

    When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor.


    When developing software, saying "It builds without errors" means the product is ready for Production!
    1. Re:Hey, that's my strategy too! by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      Now that I have your attention, what's the deal now with Vista SP1? Or are you in another department at MS?

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  37. Michener's Take by BrianRagle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The timing of this article is interesting to me as I am embroiled in the James Michener novel "Space" while traveling through Canada. Michener was known for his expansive historical sagas and attention to historical detail. In this case, his telling of the flurry of activity within American government and the embryonic space program is quite fascinating, especially now that we know from TFA that the Soviets were just trying something out. Whether the Soviets were trying to show the strength of Communism or merely throwing stuff into the air and seeing if it worked or not, the fact remains they boosted the American efforts in space to the point we are now, regardless of how bogged down we have gotten with the Shuttle in the last 20 years.

  38. My Mom was thrilled by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    I remember my whole family being excited, but my mom was the one who was intrigued by science.

    At the time my folks perceived it as a triumph for humankind.

    My mom's take on it was that it meant all the pictures of those wheel-shaped space stations... Arthur C. Clarke... Werner von Braun on the Disneyland "Tomorrowland" segments... Willy Ley... the Chesley Bonestell murals in the Hayden Planetarium... the George Pal "Conquest of Space" movie (ugh)... (that one might have been after Sputnik)... ...it was all real, it was all actually going to happen.

    I'm not sure when the OMG-they've-seized-the-high-ground, the Russians can drop atom bombs on us stuff started to sink in. Probably some Americans saw it in cold war jingoistic terms from the beginning. Not my family, though. Although it was sort of embarrassing when all the Project Vanguard rockets kept crashing.

    Another great historic turning point I remember because almost nobody else noticed it or cared about it: the first Telstar satellite television transmiion. I was at summer school at the time, didn't have my own TV, and had to search around a bit to find a lounge at the school that had one. I tried to interest my techie friends in watching it with me, but nobody cared. The program itself was the most awful thing you can imagine, "entertainment" as organized by government officials. Lots of talking heads. Some boring French dancers, I don't remember what-all.

    Telstar. A great moment in history... and all that same out of it was a mediocre pop instrumental number.

  39. Get over it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was 50 years ago. And it's not like it's rocket science, oh wait...

  40. Cold War did good to science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whatever the cause, the Soviet Union was a worthy adversary and the Cold War stimulated scientific competition. Compared to the Cold War today's War on Terror is a pathetic joke, no new science will come out of it. Our current enemies are religious nuts hiding in caves which despise science and technology as Western aberations.

  41. Mod parent down! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Troll comment

  42. s/RTFA/TFA/ by megaditto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Windows cannot find 's/RTFA/TFA/'. Make sure you typed the name correctly, and then try again. To search for a file, click the Start button, and then click Search. {OK}
    What am I doing wrong here?
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    1. Re:s/RTFA/TFA/ by hcdejong · · Score: 1

      Q: What am I doing wrong here?

      A: Windows

  43. Beep, Beep, Beep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here Comes Sputnik! from the webpage I made 10 years ago at http://www.batnet.com/mfwright/sputnik.html
    (and for you old guys with Mosiac and Netscape 1.1, you can see the blinking words of the defunct html blink tag). below some of the text:

    The Russians launched the first artificial satellite from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan which demonstrated the technological superiority of Communism. They equipped the Sputnik with transmitters to broadcast on frequencies at 20 and 40 MHz so everyone will know it's up there.

    Reactions by Americans:

    - Many people did not know how to think of a satellite in orbit. It was too mysterious for them, "What is a 184 pound object in orbit?" "Are they looking down at us?"

    - Engineering colleges were flooded with new students the following quarter. It was as if everyone was "joining the army" to take on the Russians in the New Frontier (the govt also provided a lot of funds for engineering schools to fuel new interests in engineering).

    - Everyone on Johnston Island in the Pacific were issued sidearms to carry at all times. Johnston Island is so small it only has room for a runway and a hanger for airplanes.

    - Students at Case Institute immediately became "Rocket Scientists" and stayed up many late nights discussing various methods of space travel.

    - Jim Dawsons, science writer for the Star Tribune, wrote about how his third grade teacher was very nervous at the time. His school at Omaha, Neb., was just a few miles from the Air Force's Strategic Air Command headquarters. A fleet of F-100 fighters appeared in the sky coming right for the school. "MiGs!" the teacher shrieked. "MiGs!" She ran, hysterical, from the classroom, convinced they were about to be nuked by Russian fighter jets. The kids, mostly Air Force brats, ran to the windows to admire the F-100s, the coolest jet of its day.

    - Politicians and editorialists began attacking the U.S. educational system for having fallen behind Soviet schools in training people in the sciences and other fields.

    - Former President Harry Truman was moved to comment, charging the "persecution" of prominent U.S. scientists by Sen. Joseph McCarthy during the early 1950s had been a setback to the nation's development of satellites and rockets.

    - Ross Perot became inspired by the Sputnik to create an electronics dynasty.

    - After observing Sputnik, seven year old Franklin Chang-Dìaz of Costa Rica became infatuated with space travel and eventually became a NASA astronaut.

    - Tom A. posted on the newsgroup about an American entreprenuer had a "Sputnik" gumball for sale at the local candy store. It was blue and had protrusions sticking out of it to simulate Sputnik's antenna, and it was delicious.

    - CIA and other intelligence groups cut down a model of a Sputnik on exhibit at the Brussels World's Fair in early 1958 (a story heard by Paul Dickson, author of "The Shock of the Century")

    - Rich Tweedie K6VKT (now a SK) as a high school junior was one of first ham radio operators to hear Sputnik before it was mentioned on American radio and TV news, though many others thought it was a hoax.

    Many things happened after October 1957. Here is a brief list of what the United States did:

    - Created NASA as the single agency to mobilize U.S. resources to beat the Reds to the stars.
    - Created the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA). The purpose behind ARPA was to research new technologies that where too risky to the private industry. In 1969 they created the ARPAnet to research transfer protocols between computers across systems, the predecessor to the Internet.
    - Passed the National Defense Education Act.
    - Aerospace companies began a new engineer recruitment campaign: All you need is a pulse and a degree.
    - United States and Great Britain realign as allies.
    - Homer Hickam Jr. and his colleagues created the Big Creek Missile Agency in West Virginia in response to the Sputnik.

  44. Re:first mutt in space .. by Eponymous+Bastard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Laika died of a heart attack early in the mission (not too surprising!)"
    There was no mention at the time of Laika dying in orbit, indeed the impression given was thet he safely returned to earth. Later on they mentioned him dying during reentry or euthanized by injection in orbit, or died of fright just after take-off, later on in a book written by one of the Russians who actually worked on the project there is mention of the mutt being electrocuted. - Laika was a she
    - Sputnik 2 couldn't reenter, so mechanisms were added to euthanize her. There was enough food and supplies to keep her alive for a week. The mechanism was poisoned food, not electrocution.
    - Wikipedia says she died after 5 to 7 hours into the flight because the temperature control system failed.

    Also notice that Laika's death is mostly played up in the US, probably becuase of cold war propaganda. The rest of the world knows who Laika is, and is surprised to learn that she died in orbit.
  45. Eisenhower wanted the Soviets to be first in space by IvyKing · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Werner von Braun's group launched a rokect in early 1956 that could have reached orbit if it had a fourth stage - no fourth stage was installed on the express orders of Eisenhower. Ike's reasoning was that if the Soviets launched first, their satellites would overfly the US first and thus the Soviets would have been in no position to complain about US satellites overflying the Soviet Union.


    The top US space priority in the late 1950's was developing photo recconnaisance under cover of the Discoverer program.

  46. I'm old enough to remember this by John+Jorsett · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember Sputnik, and I remember that everybody in the US went apeshit when it was launched. Our technological superiority was suddenly in question and there was a big push to start cranking out more engineers and scientists. My own career choice was partially influenced by those events.

    1. Re:I'm old enough to remember this by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 1

      ...sure, Grandpa.

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  47. Re:tard by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You could at least try to spell more than half of their names correctly. The icing on the cake is that you managed to get Torvalds wrong in two different ways.

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  48. Sigh; Another anti space troll, but have to answer by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Look, when USSR did their first nuke, it was regarded throughout the world that they were behind America. So ppl were wanting to work with America. When the world saw USSR launch sputnik, it showed to many countries that USSR was a worthy advisory of America. So many of their leaders started courting USSR's help. All in all, this was a HUGE deal for USSR. So Yes, the World REALLY DID look up. In fact, more importantly, they listened up.

    BTW, America putting Man on the moon helped America in the same way.

    As to the garbage that we must put ALL of our resources into 1 project is silly. America was a rich country following WWII. The space systems helped push America's economy, which lead to better homes and schools. In fact, more ppl own homes in America than any other country. As to USSR, had they not done the space program, it probably would have hurt them. The reality is that after WWII and Stalin, they were hurting from a pride POV. The space program gave them something to believe in. It became a rally point for them.

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  49. Other Notable Achievements by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Other Soviet space achievements include but not limited to:

    * First mammal in space (dog)
    * First human in space
    * First human to orbit earth
    * First images of far-side of the moon
    * First images from surface of moon (lander)
    * First landing and images from surface of another planet (Venus)

    1. Re:Other Notable Achievements by ucla74 · · Score: 1, Informative

      You forgot "*First astronaut (cosmonaut) killed during a mission" (more than one, in fact, before the Apollo launch pad fire.

    2. Re:Other Notable Achievements by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      You forgot "*First astronaut (cosmonaut) killed during a mission"

      Well, to be pedantic and annoying, that's not really an "achievement".

    3. Re:Other Notable Achievements by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      *First to bankrupt their economy
      *First to make people disappear for failing
      *First to take over neighboring countries to accomplish this task
      You might be first in some things but that doesn't make you '1st' in the world.


      Just like the space race, they only *started* first, but we finish hard and heavy. I think Iraq is like about at Apollo 8 :-)
    4. Re:Other Notable Achievements by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      The U.S., still sore losers after all these decades.

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    5. Re:Other Notable Achievements by Evil+Pete · · Score: 1

      Tragically, that was a race the Americans almost matched with the disastrous Apollo fire. Yeah I know it wasn't on a mission, but I'm sure the families weren't picky.

      Also we shouldn't forget the Lunokhod rover. Which was an amazing triumph for the time.

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    6. Re:Other Notable Achievements by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Americans are the most gracious winners and the world's sorest losers. Ask Germany, Japan, Cuba and Vietnam.

  50. US also used trial-and-error by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    When you look at the history of Soviet space exploration, you often get the impression that "it builds and fits together, launch it" was more often than not the deciding factor. It's kinda easier if you only have to announce launches AFTER they were successful.

    To be fair, the US was also in trial-and-error stage in the early days. Rockets would often blow up on the launch-pad, and the US Ranger moon mission took 7 tries, SEVEN tries, before they had a success (which is a fascinating story in itself, BTW). True, our failures were more public, but non-democracies have always had that advantage.

  51. Niksput by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    And then America got their ass in gear and realized that science is important and started a program that vastly improved science education and learning science became the "cool" thing to do.

    And then Asia did the same thing, flooding the market with engineers the same way they did Walmart toys, making sci/tech cheap and NON-cool again. Asia did a "Niksput" on us.

  52. Big Nukes == Big Rockets by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Article: Because there was no telling how heavy the warhead would be, its R-7 ballistic missile was built with thrust to spare -- "much more powerful than anything the Americans had," Georgy Grechko, a rocket engineer and cosmonaut, told AP. The towering R-7's high thrust and payload capacity, unmatched at the time, just happened to make it the perfect vehicle to launch an object into orbit -- something never done before.

    I've heard on NPR that US warheads were smaller than the Soviet's such that they didn't need as powerful rockets to launch missles. It seems it is a combination of US minituration technology, and the view in the US military that nuke quantity was preferrable to size. The largest (test) blast in history is a Soviet nuke.

    Thus, the US had to play catch-up with regard to rocket size when the space race started.

  53. Not Surprised by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    So Sputnik was just another Soviet fraud. Something created for getting there first, rather than actually accomplishing something useful. Exploited for political propaganda purposes more than anything else. And then they credit their accomplishment to someone else with better Party connections. Why am I not surprised?

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    1. Re:Not Surprised by LanceUppercut · · Score: 1

      No, of course, Sputnik wasn't a fraud. The article doesn't state anything like that, BTW. The fraud here is the pre-planned and well-paid-for American smear campaign dedicated to the 50th anniversary of the Sputnik. Nothing to be surprised of here, of course - everytime USA gets beaten to something, it resorts to a standard smear campaign. So, some for of fraud is present here, no doubt. It's the USA itself and trolls like you.

      It is interesting to see how typical "Wikipedia" standards of describing reality make their way into Slashdot... Decay, decay, decay...

    2. Re:Not Surprised by Alioth · · Score: 1

      The US side of the space race was exactly the same: they even called the Mercury project "MISS" - Man In Space Soonest - the purpose to rush someone into orbit in the soonest possible time and beat the Russians. The Soviets hardly had a monopoly on this kind of thinking.

    3. Re:Not surprised by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      What "no achievement"? Couple orbital measurements, check. Test of viability of the technology for orbital flight, check. Measurement of trajectory decay of an object at low Earth orbit, check. Triggering the Sputnik Crisis, leading to creation of ARPA and indirectly the Internet, check. Slashdot itself is a child of Sputnik.

  54. A reading of the comments above... by seandiggity · · Score: 1

    ...while wearing a monocle:

    I do say, my good fellow, you are a gentleman and a worthy adversary. Very worthy indeed! Though your status as a filthy Red is most unfortunate, perhaps a truce is in order on this grand anniversary of your triumph. To many more decades of splendid competition! [loud sip from teacup, pinky finger up]

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  55. Weknew that then by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    Not Sputnik at all, as it turns out, but just the second stage of its booster rocket

    That's hardly a revelation. My father took me out in the front yard and showed me the blinking light. He told me you couldn't see the actual satellite and that this was the booster rocket. And he was a bartender. It was common knowledge at the time.

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  56. Re:Sigh; Another anti space troll, but have to ans by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

    As to the garbage that we must put ALL of our resources into 1 project is silly. America was a rich country following WWII. The space systems helped push America's economy, which lead to better homes and schools. In fact, more ppl own homes in America than any other country. As to USSR, had they not done the space program, it probably would have hurt them. The reality is that after WWII and Stalin, they were hurting from a pride POV. The space program gave them something to believe in. It became a rally point for them.

    Welcome to the latest episode of our show: incoherent rambling!.

    Let's do some fact checking: According to the 2003 MARS study, 73% of Americans live in their own home. That's not the highest number in the world by any stretch of the imagination. For example, the most recent survey in Spain put that number at 80%. And Spain isn't what I'd call a very wealthy country: In fact, the high percentage of home ownership is considered a bad thing! Home ownership is not good indicator of the economic health of a country anyway.

  57. Triumph by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Sputnik was nothing like an improvised Triumph, or even an MG. It was more like a 2CV or a Volkswagen Bug.

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  58. Where America leads by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    Yes, but America continues to lead the world in object-oriented programming languages, design, and implementation . . .

    1. Re:Where America leads by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Yes, but America continues to lead the world in object-oriented programming languages, design, and implementation . . .

      Dude, you know just where to kick a man :-)

    2. Re:Where America leads by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

      I'm a great fan of your Web site, so you may accuse me of trolling.

  59. Ahhhh, yesssss... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, time passes you.

  60. only one country can launch men into space by peter303 · · Score: 1

    On a routine basis after 2009.
    Who will that be?

  61. In Modern Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... The soviets launches YOU!

  62. Re:While the Apollo program was a deliberate succe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    When did you last see a multi-billion dollar government program deliver the goods as promised and on schedule?

    EA-18G

  63. Re:Eisenhower wanted the Soviets to be first in sp by evilviper · · Score: 1

    no fourth stage was installed on the express orders of Eisenhower.

    Did he order Vanguard TV3 to explode on the launch pad, too?

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  64. Re:Sigh; Another anti space troll, but have to ans by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Well, given the current foreclosure rate in the U.S. right now, I'd say it's an excellent negative indicator.

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  65. We do have progress by Stephen+Ma · · Score: 1

    You realize, don't you, that the global forum you are posting on wouldn't have been possible 50 years ago? The microcomputer and the Internet combine to let anyone publish and respond in real time -- and this is definitely new and powerful. We are just beginning -- yes, just beginning -- to feel the impact of these two epochal breakthroughs.

  66. Bit of an ignorant jab about Catholicism, no? by blorg · · Score: 1

    The Vatican has been a very important centre for astronomical research since well before the space race. A Catholic priest developed the Big Bang theory. The Vatican accepts the reality of evolution and has criticised the American movement to teach "Intelligent Design" in science classes.

    Things have changed since 1633 you know (and no, I am not a Catholic.) Maybe you thinking of some other denomination?

    1. Re:Bit of an ignorant jab about Catholicism, no? by GreggBz · · Score: 1

      You're right. I apologize.

  67. It's pretty amazing that we went from this... by blorg · · Score: 1

    ...to a man on the moon within the space of only 12 years. Just shows you what is possible.

  68. Laika - My life as a dog by OldChemist · · Score: 1

    "Throughout the film, Ingemar tells himself over and over that it could have been worse, reciting several examples, such as a man who took a shortcut onto the field during a track meet and was killed by a javelin and the story of the dog Laika several times, the first creature sent into orbit by the Russians (without any way to get her back down)." (from Wikipedia) An excellent movie - My Life As A Dog - won the Golden Globe Award for Best Foreign Language Film in 1987. It was directed by Lasse Halstrom who went on to fame and fortune directing such movies as: # 1999 - The Cider House Rules # 2000 - Chocolat # 2001 - The Shipping News # 2005 - An Unfinished Life # 2005 - Casanova. My Life as a Dog is a wonderful movie, still worth watching if you've not seen it. Ciao, Bonzo with fond memories of Sputnik, Laika, and geek glory days.

  69. Korolev or Tikhonravov? by Stalky · · Score: 1

    Air and Space Smithsonian has a rather different take on who deserves the credit for Sputnik's success in the current issue.

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  70. Re:Eisenhower wanted the Soviets to be first in sp by Ig0r · · Score: 1

    He did that with his mind bullets.

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  71. Not on one man alone... Korolev & Tikhonravov by AJ+Mexico · · Score: 1
    The story they tell hinges on luck and the drive of one man, Sergei Korolyov, who died in 1966, unheralded in his lifetime.

    Korolev (westernized spellings vary) had an even less heralded sidekick, Tikhonravov, who although brilliant, is much less well known, even in Russia. You know, the quiet, nerdy type.

    There is an interesting article this month in Smithsonian Air & Space magazine on him this month: http://airspacemag.com/issues/2007/october-november/sputnik_creator.php

    And, of course, any large program has lots of total unknowns who all did their part.

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  72. Echo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I remember correctly, one USA reply to sputnik was the "Echo" satellite.

    It was basically a shiney mylar ( new at the time ) balloon that inflated
    to a fairly large size after achieving earth orbit.

    Echo could be seen very easily by naked eye viewing and traveled across
    the sky pretty darn fast.

    Seems like punctures or something reduces its size in a few monthes or
    its low orbit decayed.

    Do not know how long it was before a human made satellite larger than Echo
    was (if ever) finally orbited around the earth.

  73. The Soviets Going First Worked for the US by qazwart · · Score: 1

    It's not that the U.S. wanted to be bested by the Soviets, but Eisenhower saw a silver lining to the Sputnik. In the previous years, the U.S. was pushing for an "open sky" initiative where anyone could fly over any country in space. The U.S. felt it was important to their spy program, but the Russians balked at the idea of possible U.S. bombs flying over the USSR.

    With the launch of the Sputnik, the U.S. no longer had to appear as the aggressor position of insisting on open skies. Now that the Sputnik flew over U.S. territory, the U.S. was free to pursue spy technology satellites orbiting the Soviet Union. By the very early 60s, the U.S. had spy satellites taking pictures over Soviet airspace and literally dropping their film canisters off in Alaska and Northern Canada.

  74. sad celebration by PaulLev · · Score: 1

    because we haven't gone too much further in space, in 50 years... http://paullevinson.blogspot.com/2007/09/sputniks-50th-anniversary-sad-that-we.html

  75. Re:I raise my glass to the boobs by aqk · · Score: 1

    I'm utterly certain that Linux and Boobs have been in the same sentence before. :-P

    No, no, silly! You are udderly certain.