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Major Linux Hardware Donor Is a CNN "Hero"

christian.einfeldt writes "James Burgett of the Alameda County Computer Resource Center calls himself a 'tattooed freak' and a recovering drug addict, but CNN is calling him a hero (video) for diverting tons of computers from landfills, installing Ubuntu Linux on them, and giving them out to schools, non-profits, and poor people. Burgett's filmed interview is currently leading a CNN contest among videos of 'ordinary people' whom CNN considers everyday heroes, narrowly edging out the video of a man who is saving gorillas from extinction. In his interview, Burgett points out that the people working for him are also recovering drug addicts or recovering mental illness patients." Update: 10/02 23:46 GMT by KD : Reader stefanlasiewski posted a journal article describing how, bewilderingly, the state of California is threatening to shut down Burgett's ACCRC.

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  1. Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by CaptainPatent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is a hero in all of our books!

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    1. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by jmashaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is a hero in all of our books!
      Well, I believe that your sentiment is having an apparent effect on the voting:
      /.ed!

      Ironic, he did not want to win, but now thanks to us, he will probably win in a landslide.
    2. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is just an ideological issue, and as such, it is completly irrelevant and, may I add, fanatical. It's like saying: everyone who helps spreading GOD'S word, the Holy Bible, is a heroe. Well, (s)he may be a hero for some, for others, he may be a zero, and for some others an idiot. Nothing against Linuzzz, but there is nothing HEROICAL in distributing it, it's just a work of charity because the guy is actually working for the community distributing computers (independently of which sequency of bites there are worning on it). MODERATORS! He speaks of blasphemy! Moderate him down with the power the lord gaveth you!
    3. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by Glonoinha · · Score: 5, Funny

      "In his interview, Burgett points out that the people working for him are also recovering drug addicts or recovering mental illness patients"
      Or as we call them on Slashdot, 'Linux System Administrators'.

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    4. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by LarsG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or as they were called on usenet, members of the Scary Devil Monastery.

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    5. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      This isn't a dis on Windows, but why the heck are you proud of doing the same thing that 90% of everyone else does?
      You're missing the important part. 90% of everyone is working with Windows, but GP has made the rare accomplishment of being happy while doing so.

    6. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by Yetihehe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are people needed on every front. On fighting mountaintop mining AND fight for reactors. With Noguchi, maybe nobody wants to pick up trash? Would you pick up trash? Rutugarama does what he can. There are other people which care for other biodiversity pieces. One man can't do anything for everyone, he must care of what he can.

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    7. Re:Anyone that distributes Linux to the masses by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's just a work of charity
      Someday, I hope you come to understand that this is not such a little thing. There is damn little charity in this world, compared to the need.
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  2. Weird by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A guy actually doing something useful is beating out another guy doing something equally noble but less practical? Checks outside Nope, clear skies, no cats or dogs...

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    1. Re:Weird by Otter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How do you figure protecting half the world's mountain gorillas, at constant risk of being killed himself, isn't "useful"? With all due respect to Ubuntu, that strikes me as at least as important as supervising a bunch of Linux installs.

    2. Re:Weird by Hatta · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that they do. That's kind of the problem.

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    3. Re:Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      How do you figure protecting half the world's mountain gorillas, at constant risk of being killed himself, is "useful"?

      Noble? yes.
      Useful? What use do you plan to put these gorillas to? Personally, whatever you have in mind, I think it is wrong. These gorillas should be allowed to live in peace instead of being enslaved or turned into fashionable yet durable manufactured goods. You are a bad person.

    4. Re:Weird by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you figure protecting half the world's mountain gorillas, at constant risk of being killed himself, isn't "useful"? With all due respect to Ubuntu, that strikes me as at least as important as supervising a bunch of Linux installs.

      Maybe Ubuntu will find some way to show their appreciation to the runner up in their "Gracious Gorilla" release.

    5. Re:Weird by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the real utility of it isn't just that he's install Ubuntu, but the fact that he's doing the gruntwork to collect old computers, put them in a usable state, and redistributing them to those in need. Evangelizing for linux isn't necessarily the point.

    6. Re:Weird by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fuck humans. What have they ever done except fuck the planet six ways to Sunday?

    7. Re:Weird by sauge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah.

      If life is not useful to you, it may be destroyed.

      That is a text book definition of species-centristic.

      I'll tell that the marvel of life and nature was richer before his was born. Be happy with the gorilla stuffed animal toy.

  3. He realized he'd hit bottom... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when he found himself in a public washroom installing Vista for $20.

    (just kidding...keep up the great work!).

    1. Re:He realized he'd hit bottom... by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ewww. There's things you can do in a public bathroom for money that are far less degrading.

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  4. Good for him. Good for the schools. Good for Linux by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Getting off drugs, both him and his assistants. VERY Cool.

    Helping out schools. Cool

    Helping the environment. Cool (though some in the "movement" would gripe about the electricity consumed).

    Linux. Uber cool!

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  5. You don't have to be crazy.. by onkelonkel · · Score: 4, Funny

    You don't have to be crazy to install Linux

    but it helps!

    sorry... old joke...couldn't resist

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  6. Re:Terminology by Scrameustache · · Score: 4, Funny

    The term "Linux hardware" is as non-sensical as "Windows hardware" (something I've never heard or seen either). Feast your eyes on this: http://www.lifehack.org/wp-content/files/2007/05/20070529-windowskey-f1.jpg
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  7. I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get the gorrillas to start using linux. That would surely win the top prize then.

  8. Good for him by avm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good for him, on a number of levels.

    First, on a personal level, for taking control of his life back.
    Second, on an environmental level, for saving unnecessary rubbish from a landfill somewhere.
    Third, on a charitable level, for donating the results of his work.
    Fourth, on an economic level, for using free software and cast-off hardware to do something useful.
    Fifth, on a geek level, for using Linux to do it.

    My hat's off to you, sir.

  9. He says vote for someone else ;) by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interestingly, James is asking voters to vote for the other folks:

    "Vote for the gorillas. 25 grand and fame that id probably just piss away anyway is not worth a specie.".

    Nice honest opinion from the Hero.

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    1. Re:He says vote for someone else ;) by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Vote for the gorillas. 25 grand and fame that id probably just piss away anyway is not worth a specie.".

      This guy really is heroic!! James, you have my vote!

    2. Re:He says vote for someone else ;) by Chyeld · · Score: 3, Funny

      Most of them are asking you to vote for the gorillas.

  10. California doesn't like him.. by nsanders · · Score: 4, Interesting
    He's in a bit of trouble with the law too: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/16/computer-recycler-th.html

    The Department of Toxic Substance Control of the California Environmental Protection Agency has issued the ACCRC a violation that could make it very hard for the group to stay in business. And, quite frankly, that's a damned shame.

  11. Similar... by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone in Portland should check out FreeGeek and consider volunteering.

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  12. Re:Hero to the public, Villain to the industry... by Bloater · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they do then how long until a MacDonalds complains that they spent all that money on making the air outside their store smell *really* good only for someone to "steal some of the smell without coming in for a burger as they passed". The TV broadcasters tried it "Tivo should be illegal to use because we spent all that money on programs only for people to choose not to watch the advertisements".

  13. Life imitates art. Unbelievable. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > He's in a bit of trouble with the law too: http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/16/computer-recycler-th.html
    >
    >The Department of Toxic Substance Control of the California Environmental Protection Agency has issued the ACCRC a violation that could make it very hard for the group to stay in business. And, quite frankly, that's a damned shame.

    And when I wrote Natalie's Restaurant more than two years ago, I thought it was fiction. Shit, the only thing I got wrong was that I imagined a San Francisco bureaucrat, as opposed to a Berkeley bureaucrat, and that my imaginararily-awkwardly-named "California Computer Recycling Use Fee Commission" wasn't long enough to match the actual bureaucracy's name (namely the "Department of Toxic Substance Control of the California Environmental Protection Agency").

    Because nobody, not even in the Bay Area, could be so dumb as to suggest that tossing a bunch of working hardware into a container ship bound for a crusher/smelter in China, was somehow a "more green" solution than reusing (and giving away) perfectly functional hardware so that it doesn't go into the waste stream in the first place.

    But then again, that's the difference between recycling as done by folks like the ACCRC - which is interested in reducing and reusing as well as recycling - and recycling as done by a government bureaucrat, to whom the only "green" that matters is how many taxpayer dollars can be milked out of an operation.

    So we'll sing it again when it comes 'round on the guitar.

    Can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day, diggin' through their closets and attics, findin' somethin' that still works, and givin' it to someone who ain't got one? And friends, they may think it's a movement...

  14. Re:But by hazem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like his installing linux on old computers is keeping the other guy from saving gorillas; or that every computer installed leads to a gorilla not being saved. Rather it's merely that the video of the guy installing linux is slightly more popular than the video of the guy saving gorillas.

    And it's not like he's hurting the knowledge about the gorilla program because I hadn't hear of either until today. If it weren't a guy installing linux (but instead a woman making sandwiches for hungry orphans) then it would have never made it on slashdot.

    So, we can call it a win for both.

  15. Re:But by cez · · Score: 5, Funny

    hear hear... and you can bet your ass someone at gorilladot.org just learned what Ubuntu is!

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  16. Re:But by MollyB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >So, we can call it a win for both.

    I see it that way, too. But the (American, at least) culture is focused on Winners and Losers to the extent that such rich meditations as yours are easy to miss. Slashdot clearly (witness the comment list) reflects this attitude, but it is nice to see more light and less heat on occasion. Thanks.

  17. Re:Hero to the public, Villain to the industry... by willfe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this might do more good than that -- these people could otherwise not afford any computer at all, meaning that sure, right now, they're unlikely to run out and buy a Windows-based machine. However, they now own a computer anyway, running Linux. Now they're getting used to it, learning to like it, and when it comes time to get another machine down the road (maybe when their lives are put back together a bit better), they'll be interested in keeping the platform they're used to (meaning they're a *new* market of up-and-coming customers, who won't be trained to seek out the latest Microsoft dreck).

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  18. Re:Life imitates art. Unbelievable. by E-Lad · · Score: 5, Informative

    Can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day, diggin' through their closets and attics, findin' somethin' that still works, and givin' it to someone who ain't got one? And friends, they may think it's a movement... It already exists. It's called Freecycle.
  19. Re:Terminology by gandhi_2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some versions of the old winmodem leveraged windows code to do work that should been done by chips on regular modems. They only worked under windows and were supposed to be cheaper. And they were the suck.

  20. Yes, he is resolving it with the gov'mint by christian.einfeldt · · Score: 3, Informative

    James Burgett was featured on the front page of Digg.com, where he got 2906 diggs for his blog entry about his dispute with the government (spam warning: I dugg that story). James has subsequently told me that he and the government are working things out. He is not entirely satisfied with the government's approach, but at least he will be able to continue operating his excellent Ubuntu box giveaway program. So it seems as if the attention from the popular media (Digg in that case) has taught the government that James was doing something that was sufficiently meaningful to the community that the regulators should really try to work with him. His fans in the community will continue to watch his operation to make sure that if the government does exercise poor discretion in its oversight of his operation, at least we can give them an earful.

    Full disclosure: I do not work with / for James or CNN. I do volunteer for a public middle school in San Francisco, California that benefited from a donation of 30 Ubuntu fat clients for our Linux chubby terminal lab.

  21. "Liberal" California by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Generally I've found that Californian "liberalism" does not tolerate people who are poor. From putting officers on duty to confiscate shopping carts from the homeless, to pushing homeless out of town. If you want to run a business that gives ex-cons and ex-addict a real job they can come to every day and make a better living for themselves, you get shut down.

    Pro-environmentalism California is entirely about special interests. If you're not a lobbyist, then your voice won't be heard. The environmental issues are driven entirely by special interest groups managed by the Elites, people and business with the money to make or break a representative's future campaign.

    It's curious that California is pro environment with it's complex and confusing beverage recycling program. When compared to states like Michigan that take 10 cent deposit on a soda can, and you get all 10 cents of your deposit back. while California has a "redemption value" which you almost never get the same amount back that you put into it. (it's taxed, and the value the recycling centers pay is sometimes below what you paid at the store). Also huge expensive recycling centers are subsidized, and are generally in bad neighborhoods so most people don't even try to collect their refund value. While in other states you simply drop off your empty cans at a participating grocery store, and they print you a receipt (at no additional charge) that you can exchange for cash or just apply to your grocery bill. Private companies foot the bill but in return they get foot traffic to their stores, so they are more than willing to pay.

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  22. You are plain wrong. by tux_deamon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wrong. All electronics recycling is FREE at the ACCRC. That means, if you bring your old computer and monitor to this facility, and you are a resident of California, you pay nothing.

    Furthermore, the refurbished computers that are granted by ACCRC to nonprofits and needy individuals are granted free of cost. Zero. No dollars.

    If the recipient is not happy with the free computer they received, they can return it for no charge. Again, it's free at the ACCRC.

    There's no mandatory recycling fee either for disposing or receiving a recycled computer. There is a recycling fee assessed to the purchase of new monitors by a reseller. You basically pay your recycling fee when you buy your monitor. This is similar to car batteries. That said, if you don't buy a new monitor, and instead say receive a free monitor from an organization like ACCRC, you pay nothing.

  23. recycling not linux evangelism by FelixGordon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People tend to be missing the point here, blinded by the fact that the guy is using Linux. He's recycling computers. If half the stuff I've read from tech-waste doomsayer articles is true, this is definitely working towards dealing with an environmental problem. There's no obvious ideology bullshit here, it's recycling.

  24. Re:But by grammar+fascist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see it that way, too. But the (American, at least) culture is focused on Winners and Losers to the extent that such rich meditations as yours are easy to miss.

    Definitely just Americans. Or something. What was that all about?

    Anyway, here's the real issue: humans have a natural bias to assume a zero-sum game first, even where none exists. It's the source of all envy. Maybe it was a good survival trait back in the poor, nasty, brutish, and short days when competition over resources was fierce, but it's clearly maladaptive now.
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