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2.5 Mile Deep Hole Drilled Into San Andreas Fault

iandoh writes "Cool research: Geologists at Stanford University and the US Geological Survey have drilled a 2.5 mile deep borehole into the San Andreas fault. They've extracted over one ton of rock from 2 miles down, and they'll be installing sensors down the length of the borehole."

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  1. Lex Luthor is Pleased by hedgemage · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, sure, just do his work for him. Why not install some nuclear warheads down there while you're at it.

    1. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wasn't it Christopher Walken? And wasn't it TNT?

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    2. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because the hole's not big enough. Sure it's deep. But your typical underground nuclear blast involved drilling a hole 6000 feet deep and 10 or 15 feet in diameter. Now that's a hole. Something you can fall into....

    3. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by SpectreBlofeld · · Score: 4, Funny

      Time to start investing in midwestern property - it'll soon be prime beachfront real estate!

    4. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by Zymergy · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's Mr. Zorin to you! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090264/

    5. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by cashman73 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Midwestern property?!?! What ever happened to Arizona & Nevada?!?!

    6. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone seems to think that, but given that the area in question is up to a mile above sea-level, none of the land you buy before the lithoforming will actually be "waterfront". The best you can hope for is "ocean view."

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    7. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by iendedi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, sure, just do his work for him. Why not install some nuclear warheads down there while you're at it. Dick Cheney is Lex Luthor.
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    8. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by Spacejock · · Score: 5, Funny

      No no. Drill a bunch more holes, just like the tear-off line on toilet paper, and California will be safe forever.

      After all, did you ever see toilet paper actually rip along the holes?

    9. Re:Lex Luthor is Pleased by Zaatxe · · Score: 3, Funny

      [...] but given that the area in question is up to a mile above sea-level, [...]

      Have you fogotten that global warming will rise the level of the oceans?

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  2. Only 2.5 miles? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fault is between the Pacific Plate and the North American Plate, both of which IIRC are more than 50 miles thick. Why are we looking at only the upper 5%? ( Modern oil wells are drilled as deep as 6 miles or more now. )

    1. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by Protonk · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Seems deeper than the average depth of most oil and gas wells. Were you thinking of the depth of wells on the ocean floor from sea level?

      It does seem to be less than the record there. But we can hardly fualt (har har) the team for not digging the full 50 miles to the asthenosphere. :)

    2. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by tyrione · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Modern oil rigs don't drill into one of the world's largest fault lines. This depth will give a very broad understanding, topologically the distribution of vibration analysis, fracture mechanics, etc., etc.

      Models will be developed to study and help with how the Earth expands and contracts.

    3. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Informative
      A quick google revealed the following:

      The deepest oil well penetrates a mere six miles (ten kilometers) into the crust (the center of the Earth is about 4,000 miles [6,000 kilometers] deeper). Russian scientists dug the deepest hole on the planet in Siberia, but bottomed out at about 7.5 miles (12 kilometers) below the surface. The Mohole project, a 1950s-era U.S. plan, called for drilling a hole 25 miles (40 kilometers) down to the Mohorovicic discontinuity, the boundary between the hard rocks of the crust and the gooey mantle. Sadly, the only discontinuity Mohole ever encountered involved government funding.
      It gets harder and harder to drill deep into the Earth because rocks get softer and softer. Brittle at the surface, rocks become plastic at depth, and the pressure caused by the weight of the overlaying crust--about 52,800 pounds per square inch (3,700 kilograms per square centimeter) at a depth of ten miles (16 kilometers), says drilling consultant William Maurer--collapses deep wells, making further drilling impossible.
    4. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Heh, if an oil company *did* dig this deep into the San Andreas Fault, I'm *sure* they would be applauded for the scientific discovery they've facilitated...

    5. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by doktorjayd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Modern oil wells are drilled as deep as 6 miles or more now.

      heh,

      and modern measures are in metric.

    6. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I suspect that they were lying to you to prevent panic. Mines are a favored place to study earthquakes. Indeed, being in a mine probably gets you closer to the epicenter, as most eathquakes are centered miles below ground.

      from iopd.og:

      Hundreds to thousands of small to moderate earthquakes per day are recorded in a typical deep mine; the strongest may reach an intensity of magnitude 5. Given that many of these earthquakes are controlled directly by the mining activity, their location, timing, and magnitude can be forecast, and instruments can be installed at sites where earthquakes of interest are predicted to occur. The mine infrastructure provides access to the earthquakes' source region and allows three-dimensional mapping of the fault zone. It also allows installation of a three-dimensional array of instruments 1-100 m from an anticipated hypocenter to monitor fault activity before, during, and after an earthquake. Most expected earthquakes exhibit a moment-magnitude range (-2 to 4) that bridges the scale gap between laboratory experiments and tectonic earthquakes in the crust. The mine infrastructure provides an opportunity to investigate the effects of fracturing during earthquakes on fault fluid, gas chemistry, and microbiological communities. These promising conditions have led to the building of an earthquake laboratory in the TauTona gold mine in January 2005 as part of the DAFSAM-NELSAM project From the Southern California Earthquake Center:

      Northridge earthquake had a hypocentral depth of 18 kilometers (11 miles), deep for a California earthquake, but considered shallow compared to other regions. ( In California even the earthquakes are shallow. )

      An interesting map is at http://seismo.berkeley.edu/istat/ex_depth_plot/

    7. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by E++99 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I suspect that they were lying to you to prevent panic. Mines are a favored place to study earthquakes. Indeed, being in a mine probably gets you closer to the epicenter, as most eathquakes are centered miles below ground.

      Yes, being a couple km down gets you probably closer to the epicenter. But since the weight pressure on the rock increases linearly with depth, it is reasonable to think that the movement in earthquakes decreases linearly with depth, until it reaches whatever movement was at the epicenter.

      Imagine if you took a large compression spring, held it vertically from the bottom, placing a rock on top. Any sudden movement you make with your hand (the epicenter), will result in an amplified oscillation of the rock (the surface), with linearly smaller movements along the spring. IANA earthquakeologist, but it seems to me like an roughly appropriate model.
    8. Re:Only 2.5 miles? by ShatteredArm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, their drill began melting. Heat is the biggest obstacle to drilling further than 7 or 8 miles into the earth.

  3. Don't let them fool you! by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's probably the CIA trying to recover a lost Soviet rock diver.

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  4. faulty logic. by User+956 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They've extracted over one ton of rock from 2 miles down, and they'll be installing sensors down the length of the borehole.

    I wouldn't want to be the guy who's in charge of monitoring sensory data from something called "the bore hole". that sounds like a really tedious job.

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  5. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    My company (we do geological services) covered that rig when they started drilling. They were drilling outside of Parkfield, CA where there was a fault lock. Approx every 30 years there, an earthquake about Magnitude 6-7 happened. I believe 2004 was 32 years since the last quake. I know Stanford was hoping to put some geophones down there to see what kind of readings they could get when the quake went off.

    I was only down there for a week, but I was talking to the person who was there to finish the job. She said the quake went off before they had finished drilling and it was pretty wild.

    I guess they didn't get the geophone data, but it looks like they finally passed the fault and got some pretty good geological data. Cool!

  6. About time by Xeth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I feel our economy will be well served by the extra 6 energy.

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  7. Installing sensors? by baffled · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should dump a few tons of super glue down there. That'll fix her.

  8. talc as a lubricant by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They drilled in a part of the San Andreas fault that creeps and doesn't generate big earthquakes. My take is that they're looking for a lubricant, something that allows the fault to slide. Another possibility would be merely that the fault doesn't have bends or splits in it unlike the faulting at the south end of the San Francisco Bay. The San Andreas fault runs along a chain of mountains south of Silicon Valley and then north through San Francisco, following the coast thereafter, while the Haywood fault runs along the base of mountains east of the Bay area from Milpitas to north of Oakland.

    If a lubricant is responsible for the fault creep, there are apparently several possibilities: water, serpentine (which can be formed by weathering or metamorphization of several minerals including olivene/peridot), or talc (formed by serpentine exposed to water). If you have talc, you probably have the other two as well. Serpentine is a bit harder than talc (the latter is soft enough to easily scratch with a fingernail), but both deform easily under pressure. I seem to recall cases where serpentine has "bubbled up" over millions of years through denser rock, acting as a very slow moving fluid.

    As I see it, if we can understand how to lubricate faults, then it is possible to not just trigger faults, but also to ease pressure on a fault. Maybe the cost of the materials will make it infeasible, but we can consider it now.

    1. Re:talc as a lubricant by dustwun · · Score: 5, Funny

      Does a reply to this involving 'Lubing the bore hole" get modded as funny, or troll?.. you be the judge....

    2. Re:talc as a lubricant by dodongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      while the Haywood fault runs along the base of mountains east of the Bay area from Milpitas to north of Oakland


      It's called the Hayward fault, and it experiences plenty of creep all along the East Bay. The last quake greater than 4 that happened on it was basically across the street from my apartment. Trust, it's moving, and generally nonviolently (though noticeably at times). In fact, it runs through the middle of Memorial Stadium in Berkeley, which is built in two halves that have crept about a foot and a half offset since the stadium's construction.
  9. Dear God, No! by cmcguffin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep the Mole Men down there where they belong!

  10. Re:And soon, they'll have... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't keep the earthquake inducing villains straight. There are gay earthquake inducing villains? Who knew?
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  11. 2.5 miles down? by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, thank you. I'm not checking there for a hidden package.

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  12. Silica Gel reducing friction in fault zones? by Diamonddavej · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My favored culprit for drastic friction reduction during faulting is lubricating Silica Gel; finely crushed quartz in the active fault zone reacts with water forming fluidic silica gel. There is excellent laboratory evidence of silica gel lubrication in simulated fault zones (see Mineral Gel May Reduce Rock Friction to Zero During Earthquakes, http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100325. All that is needed is field evidence, and I think I have it.

  13. Re:The fools! by tjstork · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hopefully the United States.

    That would be cool. We Yanks could gather 'round the edge of our continent and piss on the rest of you from low earth orbit. So, instead of bitching about 50 million Republicans pissing on the world in some figurative sense, you would get splashed in the face by the real deal!

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  14. Re:The fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was born and raised in the usa. I see where your comment is coming from but it's way late. Western influence spread like a disease (and it is) across the face of the planet long ago. Even if all of the usa was completely destroyed and everyone inside her boarders killed it wouldn't make much of a difference, the materialism and hatered we have created as idols are already bowed down to by people all across the globe.

    You don't have to look at it like that though- even though the usa contributed to this sad reality it had been stirring since the dawn of time. We as a nation may have done more to push its spread but the truth is it would have happened even if the north american continent never existed.

    What it boils down to is people. Not people from this country, people from that country, people with this color skin, people with this color hair, people with this taste in fashion or music, people with this political stance-- none of that matters. People, simply people, are the problem.

    Does that mean everyone should die? I used to think so. The truth is though, believe it or not, there are decent people out there that understand what really matters and I believe it is for these peoples sake that everything hasn't completely collapsed yet. These are the people most often ridiculed without cause, leaned on and despised without cause. I would know. I did it to many of them myself.

  15. Re:WTF? by Xeth · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (a spiritual branch from the Civilization series, which I consider better than any of the Civ proper games that followed it), thermal boreholes are terrain improvements that provide +6 energy and minerals (a great deal by the game's standards).

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  16. Brilliant by Whiteox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Idiots!
    What a dumb move.
    Geophysicist Nerd 1: "Hey let's drill a hole 2.5 miles into a known fault!"
    Geophysicist Nerd 2: "OK! Let's do it."
    drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill drill
    Nerd 2: "Now what?"
    Nerd 1: "Ummm... How about we put some sensors down there?"
    Nerd 2: "Hey! Why not!!!"
    Nerd 1: "Errmmm... Shit! We've only got 1000ft of wire!"
    Nerd 2: "Damn!"
    .
    .
    "Hey! What's that really hot red stuff bubbling out of the hole?"

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  17. Re:Lubricant by hernyo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lubing the 2.5 mile hole, then pushing the drill down to the bottom of it and taking it out, repeating many times - now THAT is going to cause a HUGE quake!

    Muhahahahaaaa (I guess I'm going to be modded down)