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Led Zeppelin Agrees To Digital Distribution

cphilo points out a NYTimes article on Led Zeppelin's decision to sell its music online. The group is one of the last superstar acts to hold out against the digital tide. There was a months-long, trans-Atlantic bidding war for the rights to license the band's catalog. In the US, the only digital holdouts that outsell Led Zeppelin are the Beatles and Garth Brooks.

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  1. Led Zep should be FREE by now by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Under the original terms of copyright in the USA, which I believe was 17 years + 17 more optional renewal if author was alive and wanted it, much of Led Zep's catalog would be in the public domain by now.

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    1. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Under the original terms of copyright in the USA, which I believe was 17 years + 17 more optional renewal if author was alive and wanted it, much of Led Zep's catalog would be in the public domain by now.

      Well, when AllOfMp3.com was popular they were nearly free and that's why my wife has all their albums now.

    2. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Copyright in sound recordings expires either 50 years after the recording is made, if the recording is published during that period, 50 years from the publication or if during the initial 50 years the recording is played in public or communicated to the public, 50 years from said communication or playing to the public if the author of the broadcast is an EEA citizen. Otherwise duration under the laws of the country of which the author is a national applies, unless such a duration would be longer than offered in UK law, or be contrary to treaty obligations of the UK in force on 29 October 1993.
      from wikipedia Led Zeppelin is still played regularly, so it's not becoming public domain anytime soon. I don't know why USA copyright laws are relevant(both led zeppelin and their record label are based in the UK), but they don't only last 17 years as you said, they last 70 years AFTER the artist's death.
    3. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by Peaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      14+14, I think.

    4. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Copyright Act of 1976 extended the duration of all copyrights in force as of 1976 to the life of the original author plus fifty (50) years and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (aka The Mickey Mouse Protection Act) extended that term by an additional twenty (20) years. If the surviving members of the band continue to enjoy an average wealthy first world life expectency then the Led Zeppelin catalog should begin entering the public domain some time around the year 2093, by which time it is very likely that none of us will be around to enjoy them in that capacity (unless you buy into the whole singularity nonsense).

    5. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by darthflo · · Score: 2, Funny

      I AM the singularity. I also am filling the interwebs with Led Zepplin directly from another dimension (or so they say).

    6. Re:Led Zep should be FREE by now by Myopic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your comment is a non-sequitir. GP commented about original copyright terms; you replied about current copyright terms. Furthermore, whether or not Zep is 'still played regularly' has no bearing.

      GP's point is that Zep's music should be in the public domain by now, and he's absolutely correct. Stop saying copyrighted MUSIC and start saying copyrighted CULTURE. In this case it's an apt rephrasing: Zep is (IMHO) history's greatest rock and roll band (Beatles were a pop band, so they don't count). Keeping rock and roll history locked up by copyrights is a crime against culture. Zep has had a long, long time to get rich off their old music, and they continue to have the opportunity to get richer with new music, which is how the copyright incentive should work.

  2. AC/DC by Hao+Wu · · Score: 4, Funny
    No AC/DC on iTunes, last time I checked.

    (I check several times each day.)

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  3. Garth Brooks may never go digital by ubernostrum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IIRC when he went into retirement he inked a deal which granted exclusive distribution rights, going forward, to Wal-Mart; unless they get into downloadable music in a big way, or can grant digital rights to a big online player like Amazon or Apple, that may come back to bite him pretty hard.

    1. Re:Garth Brooks may never go digital by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Garth Brooks may never go digital by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

      LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! PLEASE.

      (Hey, somebody was gonna say it.. might as well be me.)

    3. Re:Garth Brooks may never go digital by lpcustom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Retirement for me will come if I ever make enough money to sustain me for the rest of my life. Garth Brooks had more than enough. Why shouldn't he retire? What I don't get is people like Bill Gates or any other businessman who is rich enough that his great great great great grandchildren won't have to work and they still get up every day and go to work. It's not that I'm lazy and they are workaholics. I work to make money. There are many many other things I'd rather do with my life. As far as being a musician, he can play and sing to people anytime he wants.

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  4. The real news... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...is that Garth Brooks outsells Led Zeppelin?!? Who knew?

    1. Re:The real news... by maeka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That didn't sound right to me. And although I don't have access to the full Billboard charts, who I guess would have all that data, the next best would be wikipedia, which shows Garth selling more then 100 million, but behind Led Zeppelin, selling more the 250 million.

      Led Zeppelin has had many more years to sell so many more than Garth Brooks, the interesting numbers would be current sales, not lifetime.
    2. Re:The real news... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Country music today is basically what rock 'n' roll was in the 70s (more true of the Eagles, CCR or Tom Petty than Zep, but I digress). So it wouldn't surprise me if similar music has similar fan-bases.

    3. Re:The real news... by allcar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always find the popularity of these Country acts genuinely amazing. Coming from the UK, it seems inconceivable that an artist like Garth Brooks should be the 3rd best selling artist of all time. Just shows how much taste varies geographically. Mind you, there must be some Bollywood stars that sell a few recordings. They have a very big audience.

    4. Re:The real news... by KlomDark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't forget Garth Brooks' rock album: Garth Brooks In The Life of Chris Gaines. I dunno how well it sold, but he did do a rock album.

      The picture on the cover is pretty surprising - You end up saying "THAT'S Garth Brooks??" WTF?

      I'm a metalhead, but I do have to say I liked "Thunder Rolls", that was really a good song.

  5. Heh, n00bs... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

    The true Led Zap fans rip their vinyls to Mp3 :)

    1. Re:Heh, n00bs... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Funny

      From vinyl?!

    2. Re:Heh, n00bs... by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lies! True Led Zep fans stare intently at the vinyl to play back the music in their head!

  6. Shameless plug: by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2

    Yes, I am aware that Thinkgeek sells devices which facilitate the ripping of analog music to digital.

  7. Having grown up by gillbates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    listening to Led Zeppelin, I can say they are easily one of the best rock bands of all time. Unlike a lot of recent 'talent' which seems to be concerned only with imitating others, Led Zeppelin pioneered rock and roll and actually brought creativity back to a genre which many had dismissed simply as hippie music.

    Good to see their catalog online; however, a few years ago I had a rather revealing experience after buying one of their earlier works on CD: I could definitely notice the limitations of the analog equipment used for recording. I hope that the tracks offered online are of better quality, or it will be a little bit of a disappointment.

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    1. Re:Having grown up by Tyler+Eaves · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think it has more to do with the state of Led Zeppelin on CD. The currently released CDs are a circa 1992 masters. Hardly the peak of sonic fidelity, although the situation isn't nearly as dire, as, for instance the Beatles.

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    2. Re:Having grown up by conteXXt · · Score: 3, Insightful


      "pioneered rock and roll and actually brought creativity back to a genre which many had dismissed simply as hippie music"

      Creativity? How creative is it to BLATENTLY rip off blues musicians from 20,30,40 years before they were BORN?

      If sampling were available in Led Zeps time, I don't think they would have even bothered "trying" to disguise the theft.

      Methinks you were looking for a different word. Plagiarism comes to mind.

      No credits (initially) to the songwriters they stole from?

      World's biggest cover band.

      Sorry, this one makes my sick and is EXACTLY why I hate the music industry.

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    3. Re:Having grown up by gooman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Time Travel.
      That's how you rip-off a Blues musician 20, 30 even 40 years before they are born.

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    4. Re:Having grown up by J_Omega · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This begs the question: Did you get a "remastered" CD?

      The re-releases do sound better - more clean, etc. Jimmy Page is an obsessive sound engineer.

      But... perhaps you did. That's probably as good as they're ever going to sound.
      Online stuff sound better? Ha? It'll be MP3s - low bitrates with bad artifacts and all.
      The best you could hope for is to buy FLAC (or other lossless formats) that'd be CD quality.

      It's all a part of the era they were recorded in. Heck, I love Zepp as well, but what can you do?
      I love old jazz (Charlie Parker, etc.) that was recorded in mono. Even the "best" copies sound like something you could have recorded on Fischer-Price kids stuff nowadays. Just deal with the quality, enjoy the music.

  8. ringtones?!? by russellh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Ok, from tfa:

    Under a series of new agreements expected to be announced today, the band will make its songs available first as ringtones and similar mobile features starting this week in an exclusive deal with Verizon Wireless.
    WTF? This to me says one of two things: either they don't care about the artistic integrity of their music at all, or they don't understand or don't have any respect for digital distribution, digital music players. I'm going with the former, as the latter has big $$$ attached now, apparently. mp3 players already devalue music generally, but nothing kills integrity like ringtones. Especially stairway to heaven ringtones. OMFG. kill me now.
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    1. Re:ringtones?!? by RedOctober · · Score: 2, Funny

      Denied!

  9. Re:Beatles? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Michael Jackson purchased most of the Beatles copyrights. He also owns copyrights to the music of many other artists and whomever wants the rights to use those will have to negotiate with him, at least till his control of the copyrights expire.

    Which means it'll cost you an arm, a leg, and a white-woman's nose.

  10. CDs by Winckle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Don't CDs store data digitally?

    Also why do marketeers always cal them "digital downloads", when can I get them on analogue downloads? :-)

  11. When she gets there, she knows by ross.w · · Score: 4, Funny

    if the stores are all closed, with a click she can get what she came for.

    Amazon patents notwithstanding

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  12. who to talk to when michael jackson falls apart ? by unity100 · · Score: 2, Funny

    cuz he is falling apart piece by piece. nose is dropping somewhere, ear in another and so on. will one need to talk to individual pieces of michael jackson or the falling pieces have decided on a spokesperson/representative among themselves ?

  13. "hippie music" by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    whats wrong with hippie music, pal ?

  14. little wonder they held out by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Funny

    The group is one of the last superstar acts to hold out against the digital tide.
    They've been dazed and confused them for so long it' not true.
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  15. Re:Beatles? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Informative

    Michael Jackson purchased most of the Beatles copyrights. He also owns copyrights to the music of many other artists and whomever wants the rights to use those will have to negotiate with him, at least till his control of the copyrights expire.

    IIRC, Michael Jackson purchased the publishing rights to the songs, which controls royalties on covers made by other artists, usage in ads, etc. The copyrights on the original Beatles' audio recordings, which determines online availability, are still under control of record labels. (And the earliest Beatles' recording copyrights were set to expire soon in the UK unless that got the Mickey Mouse treatment since I last checked).

  16. Re:Led out? by wasted · · Score: 5, Funny

    What took so long to get the led out?

    My thoughts on possible reasons:
    • Technology left them Dazed and Confused .
    • They resisted when they had plenty of money during the Good Times, Bad Times currently prevail, though.
    • They wanted to ensure that The Song Remains the Same during the analog to digital conversion.
    • They wanted to do it earlier, but there was a Communication Breakdown - during the discussions, it seemed that one of the parties would just Ramble On .
    • They weren't sure what the analog to digital conversion would do to their Rock and Roll , and were considering Going to California to get it all straightened out.

  17. The plus side of their Luddism by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Informative

    I was annoyed that Led Zeppelin wasn't on iTunes a while back, but it did lead me to the London Philharmonic Orchestra's Led Zeppelin cover album. Highly recommended (and they did a Pink Floyd cover album, too).

  18. Re:Led out? by RepelHistory · · Score: 2, Funny

    My thoughts on possible reasons:

    * Technology left them Dazed and Confused.
    * They resisted when they had plenty of money during the Good Times, Bad Times currently prevail, though.
    * They wanted to ensure that The Song Remains the Same during the analog to digital conversion.
    * They wanted to do it earlier, but there was a Communication Breakdown - during the discussions, it seemed that one of the parties would just Ramble On.
    * They weren't sure what the analog to digital conversion would do to their Rock and Roll, and were considering Going to California to get it all straightened out.

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  19. Remastered I hope by networkzombie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't that be nice? The Black Sabbath 1996 Castle Remastered releases were amazing compared to the original releases. I hope Led Zeppelin does the same. We could finally hear what they are saying before the songs (not even yet?). If iTunes had their say I'm sure the quality would be reduced. Would Verizon be able to get reels or would they use CDex like everybody else? So... I guess I already have all the digital Zepp?

  20. Saturated with MP3 by westyvw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, who doesnt have all the Zep songs in MP3 by this point already if they like them? I dont get this concept of downloading bands that have been purchased over and over and over again in the past. If I didnt have the MP3's I could get them in short order from rip of my cd, or a library, or have em dropped off on my server by a friend, or turn on any classic radio station for more then 20 minutes.

    I was a big fan, I even have hours of boots, back when that was interesting, and I still like them, but think about it, even 20 years ago (1987) you didnt have to buy an album or cassette because someones big brother or friend would give you one. They were very common during the transition to cd. And about 8 years after that I think you could pick up a cd in the $2 used bin.

  21. in partial defense of Led Zeppelin by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's true, the band should have been more up front about the music they were covering, but you are exaggerating the case. They did not "steal everything." They did cover some songs and there were lawsuits to force them to credit Willie Dixon and I don't know if they've ever credited Jake Holmes. But that is a small handful of songs in a large catalog -- Led Zeppelin has plenty of "original" songs. Sure, they were basically a blues band, but they used the blues to basically pioneer a new hard rock sound. Rock n Roll is itself basically ripped off from the blues and country music. And a lot of heavy metal ripped off Led Zeppelin. And so on.... that's how progress occurs in the open source world of popular music history. You're right that they should have credited (and paid respects -- not to mention some percentage of their profits -- to) the musicians whose work they used. But I don't think you can define all of their work by that.

  22. Re:Holdouts because of one song? by agrippa_cash · · Score: 2, Informative

    A couple years back, Plant pledged to some Seattle(?) public radio station after they cited as a positive fact the that they'd never play Stairway on public radio. Clearly, he isn't a huge fan of the song either. The main reasons Led Zeppelin didn't release their songs as singles during the 70's were 1) Jimmy Page was a tightwad and wanted everyone to buy the whole album and 2) LZ wanted people to listen to the whole album, not just a song by itself. It will be interesting to see if the songs are available individually or per album or per album side even. I used to love the Zepp with a passion (still like them more than Tool ;)), and part of me wishes they'd charge serious $$ to play their big hits so that radio stations would mix up their LZ playlists. Also, I'd love for them to clean up some bootlegs and release them. Maybe this method of distribution will create the incentive.

  23. Re:Led out? by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 2, Funny

    These puns are Wearing and Tearing on my sense of humor.
    I'll give you No Quarter if you continue saying them.
    It'll be your fault When the Levee Breaks...the levee of my SANITY, that is.

    Your fight against bad puns in Slashdot posts looks like it's going to be a Battle of Evermore.
  24. Re:You do know how bad that'd be right? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "The boys would need to have written new hits and not glided along on a fluke"

    Perhaps if current bands had the musicianship, stage presence and overall talent that Zeppelin had, we'd not be so concerned what such an old band was doing these days....

    Why has there not been a valid 'superband' rock band of the likes of Zeppelin, The Stones, The Who (to name a few) to have taken their place LONG ago?

    I think the record industry killed it to a large extent, but, there's got to be something else....just not sure what.

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  25. Re:+1 correct by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of the article on beavers where somebody kept putting in something like "Beavers devour people with their powerful fangs. They are the most dangerous animals alive."

    You mean where somebody kept removing that critical piece of information about those savage creatures?