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New Flavour of Spam - MP3 Stock Scams

An anonymous reader writes "Spammers are back with a new trick, this time round sending messages with MP3 attachments that contain the latest pump-and-dump stock scams. One sample identified by Sophos was a heavily distorted 30-second MP3 file. A synthetic female voice was used to promote a particular stock. Says Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant at Sophos: 'Although the spammers seem to have a fair bit to learn about machine-generated sales patter, some companies might consider blocking all MP3s in email as a matter of course. So many music files infringe copyright, and it can be hard for a company to establish which ones are legal and which are not after they have arrived. Blocking MP3s, or at least quarantining until requested by the user, can be a good way for a company to take a proactive stance against the use of email for illegal file sharing. It also has the benefit of neutralizing this sort of spam at the same time.'"

170 comments

  1. Well hey now by SpiffyMarc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's not get hasty. Some of us rely on those daily pump-n'-dump stock scams to support our families.

    Won't you think of the shady day-traders?

    1. Re:Well hey now by varmittang · · Score: 1

      1) Send MP3 of Stock info?
      2) Pump and dump stock
      3) ????????????
      4) Feed the Shady day-traders family.

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    2. Re:Well hey now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Well hey now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Pump and Dump" sounds like a scatological sex act.

  2. Better idea: block all text in email by Sub+Zero+992 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Although the spammers seem to have a fair bit to learn about machine-generated sales patter, some companies might consider blocking all text in email as a matter of course. So many text files infringe intellectual property and patented business methods, and it can be hard for a company to establish which words are legal and which lemmas are not after they have arrived. Blocking all letters, or at least the letters J-M and all the vowels until requested by the user, can be a good way for a company to take a proactive stance against the use of email for illegal and/or infringing message sharing. It also has the benefit of neutralizing this most spam at the same time.

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    1. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by arminw · · Score: 1, Funny

      ....some companies might consider blocking all text in email as a matter of course........

      We can all go back to hand written letters and slide rules--- well maybe adding machines are OK. Who needs all this new fangled computer stuff. The plain old phones work well for those who can't wait for the mailman. We get lots of paper junk mail also, but at least we get a little heat from that when it is consumed in our wood stove.

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    2. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful

      some companies might consider blocking all text in email as a matter of course

      You got +5 funny, but you really deserved +5 insightful.

      Seriously. Since when did it become my job as a network admin to "take a proactive stance against illegal file sharing". As long as my users aren't bogging down my network I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. If they are doing something illegal then I would assume that law enforcement will catch up to them sooner or later.

      Blocking MP3s, or at least quarantining until requested by the user, can be a good way for a company to take a proactive stance against the use of email for illegal file sharing

      Yes, cuz e-mail has displaced P2P/bittorrent as the preferred method for sharing songs and warez. Give me a fucking break! I would suspect that less then one percent of copyright infringement (as it relates to music) takes part over e-mail.

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    3. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Funny

      No need to block the letters. Just block all 4-letter words. That will keep stock symbols from appearing. As a bonus, it will neutralize most swear words, making email "safe" for children and christians.

      And the best part: the solution doesn't sound like contrived RIAA propaganda. I mean, really. Who ever heard of mp3 files that infringe copyrights?

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    4. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by Torvaun · · Score: 3, Funny

      No need to block the letters. Just block all 4-letter words. That will keep stock symbols from appearing. As a bonus, it will neutralize most swear words, making email "safe" for children and christians.

      And the best part: the solution doesn't sound like contrived RIAA propaganda. I mean, really. Who ever heard of mp3 files that infringe copyrights? Turns into:

      No to block the letters. block all 4-letter words. stock symbols appearing. As a bonus, it neutralize swear words, making email "" for children and christians.

      And the: the solution doesn't sound contrived propaganda. I, really. Who heard of mp3 files infringe copyrights? Now it matches the spam I get grammatically...
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    5. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      By Christian do you mean protestant or baptist? Because I learned all my favorite words from my mother, she's Catholic.

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    6. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Much less than 1%. Most email systems have an attachment size limit of around 5MB, and it isn't really possible to fit the average music track into that space unless you encode it to a very low quality level. Yes, you can split it up, email the bits separately, and join them together at the other end, but it is much easier to send them by MSN Messenger or similar.

    7. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Much less than 1%. Most email systems have an attachment size limit of around 5MB

      Hmm, I thought the typical setting for that was 10MB? That's what I limit my messages to in sendmail.

      Regardless though, I think we'd both agree that even if you didn't have that limit, e-mail is a piss poor way to transfer large files. By the time the MIME encoding is done the e-mail is probably 30-40% bigger then the original binary attachment. And unless you are planning on using one e-mail to send that file to 200 people (thus moving the workload off to your smtp server) I fail to see any benefits to using e-mail to share files.

      E-mail hasn't been useful for file sharing since the early days of warez rooms on AOL. Anybody remember those? E-mail folders full of pirated software that could be forwarded to somebody at the click of a button to be downloaded at their leisure....

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    8. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No **** to block the letters. **** block all 4-letter words. **** **** **** stock symbols **** appearing. As a bonus, it **** neutralize **** swear words, making email "****" for children and christians.

      And the **** ****: the solution doesn't sound **** contrived **** propaganda. I ****, really. Who **** heard of mp3 files **** infringe copyrights? Do you have any idea how dirty that makes you sound? :P
    9. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by tacocat · · Score: 1

      The interesting aspect to spam that these silly spammers don't seem to realize is that they still can't get around a well designed bayesian spam filter. All you have to do is filter on the tokens and the match /mp3/ will naturally rise to the top with sex, viagra, and other spew. It might take a while to get the filtering to work if you have a history of accepting mp3 files. Otherwise it will take only a dozen.

      I have been using bayesian spam filters as the only means of filtering spam and they always behave the same:

      1. New spam shows up and blows through all the filters.
      2. I train the filter on these errors.
      3. New spam now gets filtered into the great bit bucket.
      I think the longest I've had a specific flavor of spam run through the filters was about 3 days.
    10. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      at 128kbps I think you would fit most pop songs in a 5 megabyte attatchment. at 64kbps you would fit virtually all of them.

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    11. Re:Better idea: block all text in email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comment blocked - contains: need, just, that, will, keep, from, most, safe, best, like, RIAA, mean, ever.

  3. Show of hands, please... by jabber · · Score: 2, Funny

    So, who thinks the RIAA is behind this?

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    1. Re:Show of hands, please... by timtimtim2000 · · Score: 0, Troll

      I was just going to suggest this! Bastards!

    2. Re:Show of hands, please... by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 1

      I had the same reaction.

    3. Re:Show of hands, please... by Nullav · · Score: 1

      We'll just get ISP's to block all MP3's by proving that when attached to emails, MP3 files can only be spam or terrorist activities. Once we have that filtering in place, the 'people' will be happy that we are protecting them from the evils of copyright terroristas.
      Well good on 'em! It's about time we all moved to FLAC, anyway.
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    4. Re:Show of hands, please... by bobdotorg · · Score: 1

      So, who thinks the RIAA is behind this?

      Not a chance. Way too subtle, and thinking too many steps ahead to be a creation of the clumsy, heavy hands of the RIAA.

      Not that they would be above wasting the resources of innocent third parties via illegal pump and dump emails to try to hamper the efforts of copyright infringers, it's just a bit too clever to be their invention.

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    5. Re:Show of hands, please... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      we could even get the state dept to put FLAC on the ITAR list as a potential military weapon then those forgein terrorists will never get their hands on our superior shocking and awesome western technology.

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  4. Flavour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I prefer the 'u' in flavour - Hannibal Lector

  5. Ugh, please don't block file types... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hate when a certain file type gets blocked. Just today I had to rename my exe files so that I could send them in gmail... even though they were zipped! Yes, gmail actually looked inside my zip file to see if there were any exe files...

    So of course, now the instructions to use my script have to include renaming exe files after unzipping.

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    1. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 3, Informative

      Use another archive format (like 7z, RAR, tar.gz, etc.), or rename your .zip to something like .piz. Foils it every time.

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    2. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by necro2607 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Easy solution, put a password on the ZIP archive. Be sure to check the option "encrypt filenames" as well, if available. :)

    3. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Arg, why didn't I rename the zip? Duh.

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    4. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      It's a tough call for a mail admin.

      You have the choice of "ban executable attachments" or "increased risk of something making it through your antivirus scanning". Frankly, I think both options are pretty awful. But I would far rather deal with the occasional hacked off user than the aftermath of an executable containing something nasty. I've seen that before and it really isn't much fun, even in an otherwise reasonably well managed network.

    5. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Long story short, I tried that from where I was and the zip command "did not support encryption" and helpfully recommended that I recompile with encryption turned on :)

      As another poster pointed out, I should have just renamed the zip file to .zippy or something.

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    6. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Except that gmail is blocking OUTBOUND exe files wrapped in zip files! Inbound might make more sense, though it's still wrapped in a ZIP.

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    7. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      From Googles perspective, it is inbound.

    8. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by slapout · · Score: 1

      Our mail system blocks zips. Even if they're empty. I know. I tried.

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    9. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      I developed spam filtering infrastructure a few years back while I worked at an ISP.

      Password protecting a zip archive still allows for a directory listing. Most filterers that reject email based on filename simply preform a zip contents list, and reject based on the results. Most filtering solutions will separately attempt to extract the ZIP for virus scanning.

      Although I don't have any direct experience with it, a zip password and encrypting the filenames you mentioned should allow your email to bypass the file restrictions. A WinRAR self extracting archive may also work, though many full featured filtering solutions will preform the same kind of scans on RAR archives as well.

      The point is, I wouldn't rely on encrypting the zipfile alone.

    10. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by jimicus · · Score: 1

      The reason you might do that is if something gets onto the system through some other vector and you want to prevent it from spreading.

      More of a risk in an environment where people are using ordinary email clients rather than web-based ones, though.

    11. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try zipping your zip files. With a zip file, the filenames inside are easy to access without decompressing it. But with a zipped zip file, gmail would have to decompress the whole thing, and then read the filenames inside of the zip file it got after decompressing. Your recipients, however, can handle that instinctively without even giving them instructions.

      Beware of the above suggestion. I have only proved it correct, I have not tried it.

    12. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by necro2607 · · Score: 1

      Well, the reason I told him to turn on the "Encrypt filenames" option is exactly that - even if the files' content is encrypted, the filenames are still listed in there, unless you choose that option. If that option is on, then you can't get a damned thing out of the ZIP without entering the correct password, since it uses what you enter as the decryption key or whatever.

      However, zipping a file just now, I see in WinRAR I'm not given the option to "encrypt filenames" when putting a password on a ZIP. I guess that feature may only exist for actual RAR files! Well, either way, the advice to enable that option is still valid, and is the key element to ensuring no snooping of your RAR (ZIP if possible) files by automated systems.. :)

    13. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Sorry, I agree with you. I'm just tired, so didn't give you proper credit. : )

    14. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      gmail actually looked inside my zip file to see if there were any exe files

      For one company I exchange email with I have to pgp encrypt most types of potentially executable code, including ksh scripts, then strip the PGP headers and footers and send the raw base64. Its the only way to get it through their mail system.

    15. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by slashdotjunker · · Score: 1

      That's not a solution. It's a workaround for a bug.

      Blocking attachments that may contain viruses or spam is a form of security theatre. By coddling people and 'protecting them from themselves' we're denying them the opportunity to achieve true security. Only they can do it. The bottom line is that people have to learn not to take candy from strangers.

      The best we can do is to provide tools to help people manage their decisions. i.e. whitelists and blacklists.

    16. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by domatic · · Score: 1

      Funny. Our ClamAV is set to block encrypted zips for that reason. And yes, I had to deal with asshats sending encrypted zips to our domain with included instructions to infect your PC ("type this number in to see hot naked chicks!!!") once received. If anyone wants us to access executables they will only do so with trusted and verifiable means.

    17. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by domatic · · Score: 1

      It doesn't sound like you have to manage email for a large organization. Experience demonstrates that we should not expect most users to think like hardened system administrators. I'm not coddling the users, I'm keeping my network up and running and fit for my employer's purposes. Yeah, It would be nice if I could trust people not to believe Jokey Smurf and open the surprises but prudence dictates that I do everything possible to keep the little blue bastard out. Over 90% of our incoming mail has been spam. With only one or two exceptions out of thousands, all executable attachments have been attack code. I'd have to be crazy or simply negligent to permit executable attachments in general email. I'll whitelist trusted sources but most them don't use email to send updates. Hmmmm.

      I agree with you about the whitelists and blacklists. The problem is most people who don't work with computers and networks as their primary occupation don't want to be bothered. You can be damn sure I employ them though. As far as email from your ISP, if you aren't paying them to secure your comms for you then it mostly isn't their problem....until your machine becomes a spam zombie that is. Turning those people off until they clean up is an option for an ISP but that mentality can't hold for all internal providers of email.

    18. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by Yer+Mom · · Score: 1

      Password protecting a zip archive still allows for a directory listing. Most filterers that reject email based on filename simply preform a zip contents list, and reject based on the results. Most filtering solutions will separately attempt to extract the ZIP for virus scanning.

      Zip the files as normal, with an innocuous name like files.zip. Place that file in a password-protected zip file. Job done.

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    19. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Arg, why didn't I rename the zip? Duh.

      You probably assumed they'd heard of file(1).

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    20. Re:Ugh, please don't block file types... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Actually, you know what? You're right! I tried renaming the zip and that didn't work :)

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  6. 320Kbps MP3 Spam... by Starteck81 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... sound so rich you can almost see the pink and taste the meat.

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    1. Re:320Kbps MP3 Spam... by spleen_blender · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait... that is supposed to be meat? Why didn't you tell me I was eating this?!

    2. Re:320Kbps MP3 Spam... by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      by spleen_blender (949762) Alter Relationship on Thursday October 18, @01:51PM (#21030347) Wait... that is supposed to be meat? Why didn't you tell me I was eating this?!

      well, what kind of smoothie did you think it'd be?

    3. Re:320Kbps MP3 Spam... by spleen_blender · · Score: 1

      Yeah right... and next thing you're going to tell me is ham, bacon, and pork chops all come from some delicious magical animal. Damn liberal /.ers

  7. What's the saying about a fool and his money? by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The realize the real victims are the rest of us who suffer the extra traffic on the internet and in our mail boxes, but who is smart enough to check email, play an mp3 file, and have money to lose and yet still be dumb enough to fall for this?

    This isn't a scam, it's economic darwinism.

    1. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, but poor people tend to have MORE kids.

      It is in smart people's best interest to make sure that stupid people are as rich as possible.

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    2. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Why, so they (the stupid people) can better ensure their numerous progeny make it to breeding age as well?

    3. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by MightyYar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well, I suppose that my theory is that stupid people don't breed significantly more than smart people - but poor people breed more than rich people. So if you want to minimize stupid people, you need to make them rich or kill them before they hit sexual maturity (which is 11 in Maine if you're watching the news).

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    4. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      Most stock spam articles on /. generate advice to 1) short sell the stocks (which is basically impossible to do with penny stocks) or 2) buy the stock early and sell it back to all the other suckers who are doing the same. Get rich quick schemes generate a reality distortion field.

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    5. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Actually its in the smart peoples' best interest to make sure stupid people don't reproduce at all.

    6. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried talking to some poor people? I've come to the conclusion that poor people are poor because they are stupid more than anything else.

    7. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. It isn't economic Darwinism.

      It's continual degradation of the Signal-to-Noise ratio of email across the internet.

    8. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also laziness, apathy, and drugs.

    9. Re:What's the saying about a fool and his money? by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Laziness stems from stupidity, because in the end, laziness always costs you more than not being lazy. So you stop being lazy because you realize this, unless you're stupid of course.

      I guess apathy works, if you know you're poor and simply don't care. Of course, you need to be someone stupid to be that apathtic though, because that ultimate translates to one not caring about one's well-being, and only someone stupid (or I suppose mentally ill0 wouldn't care about their own well-being.

      And drugs... ya, let me me inject this white powder from some guy living down the street into my blood, because he said it will make me feel better. Again, are you really an intelligent person if you don't stop and think about what you're putting into your body?

  8. That Spam won't exist for long by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike pictures or HTML, people don't usually get a lot of MP3s via mail. Companies, like the article said, don't at all. People usually either use FTP or P2P access to get their MP3s illegally or through iTunes or similar services legally. And if they don't know what an MP3 is, they won't see (or hear, in that case) the spam at all, afaik there's no built-in support for MP3 in the various mail programs (and if there is, that's at best a reason NOT to use a certain mail client).

    So I'd guess this is a short lived problem.

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    1. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yea I wondered why I got an MP3 in my email this morning. I thought it was probably some new buffer exploit that I hadn't heard of yet. Dang I wish I had listened to it now.

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    2. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      FTP or P2P access to get their MP3s illegally

      Umm ... except for those artists and fans that use ftp and p2p services to legally distribute their works ...

    3. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by dafradu · · Score: 1

      afaik there's no built-in support for MP3 in the various mail programs (and if there is, that's at best a reason NOT to use a certain mail client). Mail client, i don't know... but gmail plays yours MP3 directly from the browser window.
    4. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by Nezer · · Score: 1

      afaik there's no built-in support for MP3 in the various mail programs (and if there is, that's at best a reason NOT to use a certain mail client). I disagree. Apple Mail supports inline media attachments supporting everything Quicktime does. I find the mp3 an excellent way to attach voicemail to email and use it all the time. if a particular mail client doesn't support inline mp3s, to me this is a reason *NOT* to use it! It's very nice to manage voicemail with the exact same tools as email.
    5. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by snoig · · Score: 1

      It's not going to be a short lived problem. MP3's via email will continue to grow. Where I work, we are in the process of converting our phones to VoIP. One of the features we like is that the system can take your voice mail and email you an mp3 of that message. I'm sure once people here get this new feature they will wonder how they lived without it. Right now I know a couple of people who use VoIP systems and that's the only way voice mail works. You don't need a voice mail server for VoIP phones when all it needs to do is email you an mp3.

    6. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I got one this^W^W^Wyesterday morning too. It was called allineed.mp3. I tried to listen to it, and with my volume set to about 50% of maximum (on *big* speakers, I didn't dare go any further -- I had my music playing very loudly with 15%) I could just about hear a woman talking.

      (I say I got one, I actually got the same one 6 times to 3 mailing lists I adminster.)

    7. Re:That Spam won't exist for long by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

      > And if they don't know what an MP3 is, they won't see (or hear, in that case) the spam at all

      Unfortunately, Windows users have had years of conditioning to click on anything that pops up without thinking. I fear this may well extend to anything attached to a mail they receive.

      From time to time, when I send a mail to one of my non-geek friends, I get a swift mail back complaining they cant' open the attachment, even though I never actually said anything about having sent them one. The attachment they can't open is the GPG signature, which shows up in most webmails and some crappy mail clients.

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  9. Mail program by baomike · · Score: 1

    I wonder is they thought about how the MP3 play in PINE?

    1. Re:Mail program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It is possible to associate the MP3 attachments with mplayer or whatnot.

      Pine doesn't do it as default, and I don't know anybody who would do that. It's possible, though.

  10. Only way I'll listen to these... by lhen218 · · Score: 1

    is if they were encoded in FLAC, because I am audiophile connoisseur.

    1. Re:Only way I'll listen to these... by wjhoffman1983 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You have a fine taste for audiophiles? ;)

    2. Re:Only way I'll listen to these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bugger.

      I'm afraid I must apologise as I just modded you "-1 Overrated" when I actually meant to mod you "+1 Funny" (slip of the mouse which I didn't notice until I clicked "moderate").

      And even though I've got a mod point left I can't mod your post again.

      Posted as "anonymous" due to the shame of being unable to accurately click a mouse...

    3. Re:Only way I'll listen to these... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent !

      By commenting on your post it undid my incorrect moderation... Now however I'm even more ashamed as I didn't know Slashdot worked like that :)

      So obviously still posting "anonymous" !

  11. This was a triumph. I'm making a note here... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    Are they pumping Aperture Science stock?

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    1. Re:This was a triumph. I'm making a note here... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Apparently, cake will be served at the end of the stock seminar!

    2. Re:This was a triumph. I'm making a note here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      > Are they pumping Aperture Science stock?

      Nope, that's Cheesecake Factory NASDAQ: CAKE, where there's plenty of fucking cake!

  12. Just how serious are they about canning spam? by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

    If they'd just block any e-mail with headings containing "penis" and "enlarge" half my spam would go away. I think I can survive loosing the odd e-mail a friend sent me about how he enlarged his penis.

    1. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      loosing: To relax; to loosen; to make less strict.

      If the goatse man survived it, you can survive. I'm sure your odd friend with an enlarged penis will be humbled.

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    2. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't loose your stipid emails about your wish to enlarge your teensy little pecker on the world!

      I beg of you, please think of the children!

    3. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 1

      Yes Yes Yes. Read my signature my friend :) hehe.

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      You are using English. Please learn the difference between loose and lose; they're, there, and their; your and you're.
    4. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      You probably get some legitimate email about people enlarging other things, so I guess it is just penis you need to enlarge, and of course all the variations in spelling of it, and all the other words used to describe the same thing.

    5. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1
      I prefer the phrase:

      If your use of lose and loose is loose you lose. It makes for a nice mantra to chant in your head each time you find yourself using either word (emphasis on every other word starting with the first), helping to make you get it right.

      I recall noticing that there was a song that had either "lose" or "loose" on the lyric sheet, but the singer actually sang the opposite (wrong) word, making me think there's some regional dialect that eliminates the distinction between how the words are pronounced. I had initially thought of a different phrase to emphasize the difference in how they are supposed to be pronounced using rhyme. Unfortunately, when put to text, it didn't quite work:

      Lose rhymes with use. Loose rhymes with use. Adding "Lose does not rhyme with loose," doesn't quite work, but I guess has some appeal for those who like things that look like they say, "A == C, B == C, A != B".
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    6. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever happened to the pornographic image spams about breast enlargement creams?

    7. Re:Just how serious are they about canning spam? by tepples · · Score: 1

      I recall noticing that there was a song that had either "lose" or "loose" on the lyric sheet, but the singer actually sang the opposite (wrong) word, making me think there's some regional dialect that eliminates the distinction between how the words are pronounced. I had initially thought of a different phrase to emphasize the difference in how they are supposed to be pronounced using rhyme. Unfortunately, when put to text, it didn't quite work:

      Lose rhymes with use. Loose rhymes with use.

      If you're bringing some regional dialect in, let me add something else that is consumed in places where regional dialect is stereotypically spoken: Lose rhymes with booze.

      How much do these MP3 stock scams mispronounce things?

  13. Who falls for this stuff? by rlp · · Score: 1

    I thought the 419 stuff was lame. I'm amazed that anyone would actually invest in a stock based on a spam message. Is the pool of idiots with investment dollars actually big enough to allow the spammers to make money?

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    1. Re:Who falls for this stuff? by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      I'm amazed that anyone would actually invest in a stock based on a spam message.

      Nobody "invests" in a stock based on a spam message. People buy the stock because they hope to cash in on the stock rise from all the other people buying the stock based on the spam. If they do it early enough, they think they can catch the same wave as the originating spammer. And some probably do, which doesn't help the problem.

      --
      Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
    2. Re:Who falls for this stuff? by petertw · · Score: 1

      Many potential investors do realize that it is a pump-and-dump scheme, and they hope to profit from the scheme as well.

      If the investor gets in early enough, the stock is going up before it comes back down. The key is to make sure you get in before it peaks, and out before it gets dumped.

    3. Re:Who falls for this stuff? by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed that anyone would actually invest in a stock based on a spam message.

            But it's so cheap! I can buy 100,000 shares!!! When it goes up just a dollar, I'll be RICH! /sarcasm

      Is the pool of idiots with investment dollars actually big enough

            History has shown that the pool of stupid people with money is bottomless. In fact, we can all take turns once in a while. You want to be next? :)

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
  14. Thankfully I use .ogg by earthforce_1 · · Score: 1

    Maybe sometimes it is better that Linux doesn't have such a great market share.

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    My rights don't need management.
  15. Why are they really doing it? by scottsk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "...it's hard to believe that many internet users will fall for such an amateurish presentation..." Surely not, which leads to the real question of why spammers are doing it. No one who retains their services could be dumb enough to believe this would work. (In fact, the WSJ once built a portfolio of penny stocks that were spam targets, and they didn't even see a "pump" in value, just a decline.) This is an area where I'd like to see some investigative reporting done by a tech savvy reporter who could find out who these spammers are and who bought their services. To waste bandwidth? To distract us from other spam that's smaller but more accurately targeted? Defamation of a company by rivals? Getting into the spam underworld would be risky (one spammer died in a spam turf battle recently) but it would be interesting to know who buys the services of these spammers for these PDF, MP3, image, etc spams and why they're doing it.

    1. Re:Why are they really doing it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, the WSJ once built a portfolio of penny stocks that were spam targets, and they didn't even see a "pump" in value, just a decline.
      According to some analysts, that is in fact the intention. The Spam is not meant to artificially inflate the price for a short time, but rather to depreciate the stock. Not so much to ruin the target company, but rather because the spammers can short the stock and make a bit of money on the short-term depreciation.

      I'm not sure if it's true or not... but I must admit that when I see Spam related to stock, my gut reaction is to value that stock less than I did before. If the average trader who sees the Spam has a similar reaction, then the stock will lose value at least for a short while, which is enough to make money off of.
    2. Re:Why are they really doing it? by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not this shit again...

      You can't short a penny stock.

      Here's a dumbed down guide to how shorting works:

      1. You borrow stock from someone else
      2. You sell it
      3. ???
      4. Profit! (buy it back at a lower price and return the shares)

      If you want to borrow a NYSE/NASDAQ stock, your broker will be happy to help (they charge interest and take the shares from another person's account). But if you ask about borrowing a penny stock, they'll tell you to fuck off.

      --
      Do you even lift?

      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    3. Re:Why are they really doing it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I called, they didn't tell me to "fuck off". Phone calls are recorded, you know, and brokers do show some respect for their customers.

      Anyway, if you've got enough money and good relations with your bank, shorting penny stocks is no problem. Your bank will be happy to oblige, and work out a way to do it. Time to shed the naivity, dude.

    4. Re:Why are they really doing it? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      Probably they see other spammers doing it and think there must be money to be made out of it?

  16. It's not the medium by halcyon1234 · · Score: 0, Troll
    It's the message. If there's fucking stupid people, they'll fall for fucking stupid things. This isn't "a brilliant now scam". It's the exact same scam, praying on the exact same people: fucking idiots stupid enough to open an attachment because the email told them they'll make money.

    Maybe we should just start taking a supremely draconian stance on this. Someone comes down to the police station saying that all their money is gone because some email scammer stole it? Shoot them in the head. Then use their bank records to track down the scammer, and shoot them in the head, too. If you can't find the scammer, that's okay. Soon enough their pool of victims will dry up due to head/bullet related activities.

    You'd think this wouldn't work, because people would stop coming down to the police station because they heard people were getting shot in the head. But then again, you'd also think that email scams wouldn't work because people keep hearing about other people getting ripped off by email scams. Those people will fall for anything. The cops can just send out an email about it. "Got ripped off by a scammer? Come down for free $$$! No h3ad shotz for sure!"

  17. You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by TheLetterPsy · · Score: 1

    I had never received one of these .mp3 spams. Until I read this story. The very next email I received was, sure enough, an .mp3 pump-and-dump.

    At least, that's what I assumed. The filename was gloriaestefan.mp3 but I didn't listen (duh), so I can't be certain.

    1. Re:You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by JK_the_Slacker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Geez, you finally release a product, and people complain that they weren't on the beta testing team.

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    2. Re:You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by Ron_Fitzgerald · · Score: 1

      Finally we have something productive for the RIAA to do with their legal team. Tell them that someone is giving away free music.

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      ~ Ron Fitzgerald
    3. Re:You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by necro2607 · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, no way??

      *checks email* ...

      Damn, one newsletter, one real message, no mp3 spam :(

    4. Re:You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by markbt73 · · Score: 1

      gloriaestefan.mp3?

      One-two-three-four, come on baby check your email, five-six-seven times...

      --
      "Oh boy! Are we going to try something dangerous?"
    5. Re:You're Giving Them Ideas . . . by xaxa · · Score: 1

      If it's anything like my first MP3 spam (received yesterday, but it's only 00.54 here) the sound is so distorted and the recording level so low, you wouldn't have heard anything anyway.

  18. VOIP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well hold on there, I've got a nice new shiny VOIP line at home, guess how the answering service works? That's right, MP3s in my email...

    1. Re:VOIP? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Most VOIP as well as many new phone switches have this function. In fact I haven't looked at a solution that doesn't offer mp3 email attachements of voicemails. Blocking MP3s in emails is a really dumb idea. This article had to be written by the RIAA.

    2. Re:VOIP? by MikeKD · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I received just such an email last night...the attachment was 'voicemail.mp3'.

    3. Re:VOIP? by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      You know where your voicemails are coming from, so whitelist them and block everything else?

    4. Re:VOIP? by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      And what if an associate wants to forward me a voicemail he/she received?

  19. No one "falls" for it. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But there is a group of people who THINK that they can ride on the scammer's pump-n-dump scheme and make some money on the up-side of the pump.

    These are the people who know it's wrong and don't have the guts themselves to run a stock scam ... but feel okay about trying to make some money off of one.

    I didn't say they were very smart.

    1. Re:No one "falls" for it. by joe+155 · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested to know if you could make money on the "up-side", I suspect that you could but probably wouldn't try because it seems like a lot of effort for a fairly small reward and I assume that it is illegal (and probably fairly easy to get caught).

      But what I wanted to pick up from your post was "These are the people who know it's wrong" - I don't really get why it is considered immoral by people who play the game anyway. I understand the argument that capitalist accumulation is inherently immoral, indeed I can see why people view the stock market as particularly so, but isn't half the point of capital markets that everyone is trying to screw everyone else so that they make money whilst others lose (because we know it's only really relative inequalities which can significantly improve quality of life individually within a capitalist, individualist market society)... so why the worries that some people will lose when that was the idea in the first place?

      Still, if it is illegal (as it probably is) then it's a bit silly... a trail straight to your door.

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    2. Re:No one "falls" for it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because we know it's only really relative inequalities which can significantly improve quality of life individually within a capitalist, individualist market society

      AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHH, must..not....have.....brain.....hemorrhage... One day of economics, please take it!
      Regards, An Econ Grad Student

    3. Re:No one "falls" for it. by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Informative

      They pick small caps where there is very little active trade, and it can take weeks / months to sell the stock.

      They buy a load of them at the normal price over a period of time, then sell them at an inflated price to the people they spam. By the time they send out the spam, the price has gone up, and it is already too late to profit from the upside.

  20. mp3s with payload? by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 1

    I cannot find more details...

    Maybe there's more to this than meets the eye? WinAmp (still widespread) has had multiple arbitrary code execution vulnerabilities in the past, through ID3 tags, the mp3 stream itself, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if someone found similar things in iTunes or Windows Media Player as well.

    Are those mp3s sound recordings only?

    1. Re:mp3s with payload? by mikek2 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wow, this is creepy... I just got my first mp3 spam minutes before this article was posted. I opened it from within my sandbox'd, fully expecting to see some kind of masked virus. I was stunned to find out it was, indeed, nothing more than audio spam. Weird.

  21. What I want to know... by JK_the_Slacker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... is how they'll manage to misspell the words in an mp3?

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    1. Re:What I want to know... by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      What I want to know... ...is how they'll manage to misspell the words in an mp3? I have heard people mispronounce "lose" and "loose".

      I've also heard people make statements with a questioning inflection.
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  22. The RIAA is behind this... by brundlefly · · Score: 4, Informative

    Strap on your tinfoil hats, gents. The RIAA stoops to a new low... poisoning the well for all of us who love to email terabytes of illegal MP3s to our co-workers.

  23. Email File sharing MP3's? by hodet · · Score: 1
    Blocking MP3s, or at least quarantining until requested by the user, can be a good way for a company to take a proactive stance against the use of email for illegal file sharing.

    Ya, sounds like a huge problem facing companies today. Tech journalism rocks sometimes.

  24. New setting needed by gurps_npc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We need a setting to block all mail that has an attachment that is NOT on your contacts list, with an auto-reply explaining this. They sender would then know to send a normal email first, requesting that you put them on your contact list.

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    1. Re:New setting needed by T-Bone-T · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They sender would then know that the address works and will then sell it to other spammers, thus vastly increasing the amount of spam you receive. Real smart.
    2. Re:New setting needed by dwpro · · Score: 1

      Not only that, automated systems that send legitimate attachments would have to be re-written in order to comply w/ the new setting.

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    3. Re:New setting needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How this got an insightful is beyond me since it's clueless. You know that spammers fake the email address of the sender no?

    4. Re:New setting needed by DeadManCoding · · Score: 1

      This is already being done. I'm not sure what company is doing it. I work for a small ISP that does web hosting, and some people use off-site email hosting that does that procedure already. As the other replies mention, it's not a wise idea as it's pretty easy to verify that the address does work, even though no spam gets through.

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      "The only constant in the universe is change." - Unknown author
    5. Re:New setting needed by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      They sender would then know that the address works and will then sell it to other spammers, thus vastly increasing the amount of spam you receive. Real smart. I already get spam to 133 user accounts at my domain that have never responded to a spam, not including minor variations on some usernames with added or deleted characters, start with a digit, or contain more than two consecutive digits in the username. (The majority are now usernames a spammer used when sending mail forged as being from my domain.)

      Sometimes I think that maybe if my domain didn't look like it was a catch-all and had instead bounced those first e-mails addressed to users like a1aaa1azzzz1zaaaaa, catchthismail, and thisisjusttestmessageatall at my domain maybe it would have been less of a target for forgery and spam today.
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    6. Re:New setting needed by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      You actually think this would affect the amount of spam you get? Or that spammers actually check the replies they get? Sorry but in my experience neither of those things are true. Spammers do NOT have a problem getting 'confirmed workable emails'. Nor do they do crap with your replies. Yeah, I was real smart. You apparently need some real world experience.

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    7. Re:New setting needed by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      And you think this is a problem?

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

      EMAIL IS NOT THE SOLUTION FOR ALL YOUR BUSINESS NEEDS.

      It is a person to person messaging system. It is NOT designed to be used by automated systems and anti-spam systesm should NOT take the needs of automated systems into account. Tough crap if it screws up your obnoxious mass mailing system that you CLAIM is not spam.

      You want a way to send large emails to everyone? fine. YOU make it work. It is not our responsibility to help you do moronic jury rigged crap with email that is similar to spam.

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    8. Re:New setting needed by dwpro · · Score: 1

      hah, you can rant all day, but that won't change a bit what users want. And users seem to want attachments sent from untrusted sources in an automated fashion.

      Your arbitrary definition of what email should be is myopic and unrealistic. Good luck getting the world to conform with what would make your life easier, though.

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      Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -- Susan Ertz
    9. Re:New setting needed by T-Bone-T · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting a raise or promotion with that kind of inside-the-box thinking.

  25. I got paper-mail pump-n-dump spam yesterday... by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1

    It was pushing some uranium-mining company in Canada or something. No real contact info on it. Lord knows how I got on that list - probably one of the e-merchants I bought laptop parts off of in the last few weeks.

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  26. What's next? by vmxeo · · Score: 1

    If only they would use actual copyrighted MP3s when sending their spam*. I'd love to see the eventual RIAA-spammer fight. No matter who loses, we'd win.


    *I could actually see this happening, if spammers start luring in users by harvesting random MP3s found on botnets and appending their audio spam to the end of the file.

  27. I think satan just spoke to me, pump-n-dump porn by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ok, you know that ramen noodle commercial where we see this hawt japanese chick bobbing her head up and down, slurping on something that's just below the bottom of the screen, we all think it's wang but we then see it's an instant ramen cup? Just imagine if it wasn't ramen and the symbol of the stock in question was written on her forehead. Five minutes of knob-slobbing action, brought to you by the fine folks at ABC Corp. Spam this out to a hundred million people and just see the results you'll get!

    Wow, that spam plan is so evil, I think the Russian mafia is coming to kill me.

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  28. Lotus Notes does... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

    I just checked. Lotus Notes does support MP3s. I don't know if they use the codec from the OS or if they implement their own, but when you say to view the file, it opens a new tab and plays the MP3.

    Why you would thank that supporting file types would mean that you should not use an application is baffling.

    1. Re:Lotus Notes does... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why you would thank that supporting file types would mean that you should not use an application is baffling.

      For the very same reason I don't want mail programs to support scripting or other "active" things. It's not necessary, serves pretty much no sensible purpose and a potentially large security hole.

      A mail program should enable me to transfer mails. Possibly with attachments (although that's something it was never designed for nor is suited for). I can see that in a corporate environment cooperative tools are a benefit. But can you show me a single sensible application of MP3 support in a mail program?

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    2. Re:Lotus Notes does... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      "But can you show me a single sensible application of MP3 support in a mail program?"

      Unified Messaging.

  29. "It might be illegal so ban it all!" by Enleth · · Score: 1, Funny

    Such a stance reminds me of this old Polish joke (for some reason, we've got quite a lot jokes about a shepherd): The police enters shepherd's house and finds moonshine-making equipment. - Well, shepherd, we're going to charge you with illegal moonshine production! - But I'm not making it! - But you have the equipment. - Well, then, charge me with rape as well. - Why, did you rape someone? - No, but I've got the equipment!

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    1. Re:"It might be illegal so ban it all!" by Enleth · · Score: 0

      Crap, as always, I forgot about the linebreaks. Corrected:

      Such a stance reminds me of this old Polish joke (for some reason, we've got quite a lot jokes about a shepherd):

      The police enters shepherd's house and finds moonshine-making equipment.
      - Well, shepherd, we're going to charge you with illegal moonshine production!
      - But I'm not making it!
      - But you have the equipment.
      - Well, then, charge me with rape as well.
      - Why, did you rape someone?
      - No, but I've got the equipment!

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  30. "Illegal file types" by iamacat · · Score: 1

    It's a pretty dubious practice to determine legality and spaminess of content by file type. I am sure it will not take spammers long to send wav, wma or aac promotions instead. In the meantime, file shares can trade mp3.bz2 files. Already we have to send .zippy attachments to each other here because all zip files are blocked as virus carriers.

  31. I doubt this will fly for long by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Besides the fact that such attachments are easy to identify and block, like the image span became, the problem for spammers is the reduced rate of return. The bigger the attachments they send out, including PDFs and Excel spreadsheets, which have take over for image span lately, the fewer they can send out with whatever bandwidth they've managed to steal with their botnets.

    This reduces their rate of return on the spam, and encourages them to try to find ways to minimize the size of the spam so it can get through defenses and enable a greater volume of spam. Volume is the key to spam - if they can't send millions, they don't make enough money to make it worthwhile.

    MP3's are pretty big - 3-5MB depending on the length of the material. Compared to a normal email text message, or even an Excel spreadsheet, they're huge.

    So I suspect this is a temporary thing that will reduce in volume, just as image spam has reduced in volume lately from 30% of spam to around 5%.

    What people are seeing now is more "blended" spam - spam with links to malicious Web sites. This sort of thing goes right through spam detectors, since the email itself can be innocuous - it's the links that contain the malware and the actual spam package.

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    1. Re:I doubt this will fly for long by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      3-5 MB for a 3 minutes song at 256kbps. This is more like 30 seconds of spoken text at 32kbps.

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      These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

    2. Re:I doubt this will fly for long by mikechant · · Score: 1

      MP3's are pretty big - 3-5MB depending on the length of the material. Compared to a normal email text message, or even an Excel spreadsheet, they're huge.

      3Mb is typical for a 3 minute 128 kbit/s music track. 64 kbit/s and 90s duration should be plenty for these voice message purposes and so would only take about 750k. If my calculations are correct this would take 3s to download on a fairly slow 2Mbit/s connection - not really a problem.
      However, it's still true that sending even these relatively small mp3 attachments from a typical spambot is going to reduce your throughput a lot, due to the sucky slowness of the upstream on most domestic connections.

    3. Re:I doubt this will fly for long by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but to sell a pump-and-dump stock, how much verbiage is going to be really needed? Even if they can keep the file size down to a few hundred K, it's still bigger than an email text message, if not that much bigger than a PDF or XLS file. While they have more and more powerful botnets to send it with, it's still going to cost them more in rate of return than its worth, at least for many of them.

      I see this as merely an experiment by spammers. If it works, we'll see more of it. If it doesn't, it will go away. My bet is that it will go away.

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    4. Re:I doubt this will fly for long by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's bad for the end user, although the spammer won't care about that.

      However, even there, the spammer probably does care - because the more screwed up the bot machine becomes, the quicker it will be wiped and reinstalled or disinfected, and thus the lower the sending rate (at least if the bots that go off the botnet aren't replaced as fast by new bots), and again the lower the rate of return on the spam. Also, ISPs are going to detect the mass sending of larger files faster than they do smaller emails, and are likely to be shutting down more of the botnets quicker (again, at least if the bots being shut down aren't replaced faster than they're shut down.)

      It's a delicate balancing act the spammer has to use - how to get volume sending while still evading detection. Sending larger and larger files isn't going to help them much. Image spam was easy to detect, PDFs and XLS are harder because they could be legitimate, MP3's are going to be equally hard but not as common as PDFs and XLS files so they will be easier to detect.

      I think the "blended" spam will be the big winner - small file sizes, hard to detect, and all you need are the same botnets hosting phony dynamic Web pages to send the malware and spam package to the idiots who click the links. And the links can be made completely legitimate-looking - just like phishing scams. It's the convergence of phishing and spamming.

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    5. Re:I doubt this will fly for long by Alioth · · Score: 1

      Actually, it doesn't go right through spam detectors, it gets caught by the URLBLs (that have been going already for a couple of years). SpamAssassin has become a LOT more effective since the spammers switched to URLs. Although I get more spam sent to me (up from about 100 a day last year to 250 a day now), about 40 a day this time last year got through the filters - generally less than 10 a day are getting through now thanks to the URLBLs and the ease of filtering bad URLs.

  32. Got one by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I received one of these, except instead of a stock spam, it was some annoying woman repeating over and over, "What the fuck do you think you're doing?"

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    1. Re:Got one by baby_tux · · Score: 1

      Yeah I also found one in my spambox (yeah, Evolution detected it) today, I listened to it but didn't understood what it was exactly (too bad sound) but it doesn't matter cause I don't have time to waste with that fscking spam...

    2. Re:Got one by hawk · · Score: 1

      So don't open email from your wife :)

      hawk

    3. Re:Got one by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

      I received one of these, except instead of a stock spam, it was some annoying woman repeating over and over, "What the fuck do you think you're doing?"
      Why the hell is my ex-girlfriend sending you MP3 spam?
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  33. Sound isnt new.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I remember sound ads in emails years ago, thats why i now leave my speakers off unless i want to listen to something.

    It also eliminates the nosies people stick on webpages as well.

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  34. Sure makes blocking easy by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I never understood how image spam, and to some extent even HTML spam, lasts so long without being quickly crushed by filters. An email that has any sort of attachment (sheesh, even a PGP/MIME signature) is either spam, or it's from someone I know (i.e. whitelisted).

    Countering audio attachments should be absolutely trivial if you have a filter, and it's hard to imagine that anyone is able to use email without a filter these days. If it has any attachment and it's from someone you've never corresponded with before, it's spam. It'll get caught.

    No?

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    1. Re:Sure makes blocking easy by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yes. lets drop emails that have mp3s attached with an extremely low bitrate, especially if there is no english words found in the message body. (meaning at least some percent of the words need to be spelled correctly)

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    2. Re:Sure makes blocking easy by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 1

      I tend to go even further: if it's got an attachment and I'm not expecting a specific attachment from that particular sender at that time, it's spam. A lot of viruses send to addresses in the local address book, so just because I know the sender doesn't mean they haven't gotten infected and it's the virus sending me spam/malware. So my policy is that if people want to send me files they can either put them up on a server and send me the location so I can download it, or they can contact me beforehand and find out what format I need it in and I'll be expecting it.

      I get the occasional person who whines because I insist they send their plain text mail to me as plain text, requiring them to jump through hoops to make their mail client stop generating obnoxious HTML or whatnot. But these tend to be the same people whining to me about how many problems they have with viruses on their computer, while I've gone 20+ years without a single successful infection of any of my machines.

    3. Re:Sure makes blocking easy by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      If I get spam from someone I know, I want to be conscious of that spam (so I can warn them that they are infected) instead of having it silently go to the bit bucket.

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  35. Link please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need a nice mechanical female voice to keep me company tonight. I don't care what stock she's... ummm.. pumping.

  36. Re:I think satan just spoke to me, pump-n-dump por by Glowing+Fish · · Score: 2, Funny

    A whole new meaning to the term "pump n dump"

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  37. Got a bunch today by GoRK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I got three or four of these today. I think they will be a pretty short lived trend for a couple of reasons:

    You can't understand it. Think a million times worse than Max Headroom on a cell phone. It's so noisy and distorted that you can barely make out that it is a female voice much less interpret the stock symbol she is attempting to SPELL! I have a nice noise canceling headset for my phone and still have to use the phonetic alphabet to spell things on the phone. How do they expect this to work?

    They are huge. Mine passed my spam filter simply because I've never had a spam bigger than 100KB, so I haven't ever bothered to filter them. I guess things like the Storm botnet are changing the limits of this, but still, 100KB is 10-100 times the amount of data vs a normal spam that you have to send out to plaster your message onto everyone's inbox.

    The real take-home message here is that while there is quite a lot of mention about how the spammers are 'having to get innovative' the reality is that they are having to get desperate. There is no innovation in sending a unique audio message to somebody via email. But when they have to bypass all existing spam filters in addition to having to resort to sending out huge, uniquely distorted audio files to get their message across they are definitely feeling cornered.

  38. Let's see... by alxbtk · · Score: 1

    Re:Better : block all in email (Score:5, Funny)

    by brianosaurus (48471) on Thursday October 18, @10:40PM (#21031219)
    (http://www.brianosaurus.org/)

    No to block the letters. block all 4-letter words. stock symbols appearing. As a bonus, it neutralize swear words, making email "" for children and christians.

    And the : the solution doesn't sound contrived propaganda. I , really. Who heard of mp3 files infringe copyrights?

  39. Won't work by Jaxoreth · · Score: 1

    Maybe we should just start taking a supremely draconian stance on this. Someone comes down to the police station saying that all their money is gone because some email scammer stole it? Shoot them in the head. Then use their bank records to track down the scammer, and shoot them in the head, too. If you can't find the scammer, that's okay. Soon enough their pool of victims will dry up due to head/bullet related activities.

    Your post advocates a

    ( ) technical (X) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    (X) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
    ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
    ( ) The police will not put up with it
    ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    ( ) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    (X) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    ( ) Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    ( ) Asshats
    (X) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    ( ) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    (X) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
    ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    (X) Technically illiterate politicians
    (X) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    ( ) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    (X) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
    ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    ( ) Blacklists suck
    ( ) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    (X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
    (X) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    (X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
    house down!
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  40. I'll be interested in seeing the gmail response by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Last week, a friend of mine on gmail sent an email, no, rather, a "voicemail" to my gmail address from his own. When you get the "voicemail" through gmail, it comes through as an mp3 itself. Perhaps these spammers are trying to figure out if they can spoof that and hit gmail users before the voicemail thing becomes more widespread?

    But just as I've said before, the spammers are just going to continue to get more creative as long as we keep trying to counter spam with filters and other such nonsense. We'll never stop spam until we actually manage to remove the economic incentive that drives it. Even the offshore banking accounts that are netting profits off these pump-and-dump scams should belong to someone. And if we can figure out who, we can start to stop this machine.

    And I'll be willing to wager that whatever shady financial institution is helping to hide these lowlifes is taking a cut off the action as well.

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  41. Re:I think satan just spoke to me, pump-n-dump por by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  42. Problem already solved by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

    I work for one of the major spam filtering companies. We already have the MP3 spam problem solved, and I expect the others also already do, or will shortly. It's not that tough, and it doesn't take heavy-handed measures like blocking all MP3s. I expect this to be fairly short-lived. PDF spam and Excel spreadsheet spam didn't make much of a splash either, and have already mostly gone away.

    Image spam is also mostly gone these days, but it had longevity because while some providers (such as my employer) very quickly solved it, some others took quite some time, and even after they solved it, some had relatively poor efficacy, even if they were catching most of it.

  43. insert free advert for Sophus .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "Spammers are back with a new trick, this time round sending messages with MP3 attachments that contain the latest pump-and-dump stock scams .." Says Graham Cluley

    Anyone who responds to such scams is obviously too dumb to be allowed possession of money, it's best to have them taken out of the economy ..

    "These are not attacking any kind of vulnerability in the computer"

    "They are attacking the vulnerability of people's brains " [Graham Cluley - Sophos] May 2004

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  44. please invest in my diamond mine .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "Brett Jolly said he planned to have an accredited gemmologist verify within 48 hours whether the gem was a diamond."

    "We put it on a garage grinder and the thing won't scratch, so what can it be?"

    "The huge stone, which was believed to be the world's largest diamond, is a fake .. Jolly .. confirmed that he had tested the alleged diamond in the company of a journalist on Thursday"

    Like why don't he hand it over to De beers and have them test it, before calling for 'investors' in his diamond mine, where can I still l sign up .. :)

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  45. new virus vector .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    The other day, I picked up the ' telephone ' and a voice on the other end advised me to invest in a South African diamond mine, well next thing I know, I re-mortgaged the house and gave the lot to this anonymous voice over the phone. When will Sophos provide a solution to protect me from the ' telephone ' ...

    must invest .. the VOICE says so .. must invest ...

    was: Re:mp3s with payload?

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  46. luckily, I use Ubuntu by gosand · · Score: 1
    I use Ubuntu out of the box, so I can't play your mp3 SPAM!


    See, you can work Ubuntu into ANY comment. Try it, it's fun.

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  47. Bouncing doesn't help by 87C751 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I think that maybe if my domain didn't look like it was a catch-all and had instead bounced those first e-mails addressed to users like a1aaa1azzzz1zaaaaa, catchthismail, and thisisjusttestmessageatall at my domain maybe it would have been less of a target for forgery and spam today.
    Don't count on it. I religiously bounced non-account mail for the first 3 years of my current domain. It's made 0% difference. I do roughly track the non-account names. Many are simply random gibberish, and those items frequently turn out to be reflector spam (intended to bounce off me to their "true" destination).

    The part I still don't understand is why I see spam sent to root and admin (two addresses that one would thing are predisposed to dislike spam).

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  48. Re:I think satan just spoke to me, pump-n-dump por by alienmole · · Score: 1

    Dude, if you're not already insanely wealthy and just posting on Slashdot for kicks, you should totally get into marketing.

    I, for one, welcome our new implied-porn marketing overlord, and look forward to seeing your work during the next Superbowl. And then twice during every show after that.

  49. It worked by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I'll take two of whatever you're selling please.

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  50. How can the artist be sure? by tepples · · Score: 1

    FTP or P2P access to get their MP3s illegally Umm ... except for those artists and fans that use ftp and p2p services to legally distribute their works ... How can even the artist be sure that he is distributing his music legally? The artist could have accidentally copied someone else's work, like George Harrison did in "My Sweet Lord".
  51. Why not Speex? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Most VOIP as well as many new phone switches have this function. In fact I haven't looked at a solution that doesn't offer mp3 email attachements of voicemails. Why MP3? Get one that uses the Speex codec, and not only will you save bits at the same quality level, you'll also be able to sort out the good (.spx) from the bad (.mp3).
  52. Voice mail by tepples · · Score: 1

    But can you show me a single sensible application of MP3 support in a mail program? There's a reason that it's called voice mail.