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A Look At Free Reviewer Swag

chicl3t writes "It used to be that the lagniappes that came along with hardware for review were things like USB drives — makes sense, one 128MB drive for a 100MB presentation. But...iPod nanos? As in more than one? That's another story entirely. It's damn nice swag, of course, but at what point is it too much? A DailyTech writer talks about his experiences with swag."

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  1. I heartily agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As I write this on my beautiful Apple MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo Santa Rosa 2.4ghz with an ultrafast 4 GB of Corsair Memory and my always trustworthy Western Digital MyBook Pro 1TB World Edition backup. This marketing madness must stop.

    1. Re:I heartily agree by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a reviewer, I am under no obligation to promote the zesty, robust taste of Doritos brand tortilla chips, regardless of how great a snack they may be for lunchtime, munch time, anytime. It's illegal for my crunch money here to pay for the review, but it is legal for it to pay for my website, and the website can report on Frito Lay. Advert: "Eat them." Reviewer: "I just happen to like 'em."

  2. Does anyone bother with those reviews? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does anyone actually bother reading those reviews? I sure don't. They usually tend to say nothing but positives about the products being reviewed, especially when the reviewer got them from the manufacturer free-of-charge. Of course, that's to be expected, since they want to get more such free products (which I don't doubt they use for themselves afterwards, until they fall apart a week or so later).

    The only reputable source I've found for reviews is Consumer Reports. Other than that, the pickings are slim.

    1. Re:Does anyone bother with those reviews? by rootofevil · · Score: 2, Informative

      EHHHH

      Consumer reports not so much. Use them if you must. Ive found them to be a little too harsh on suff ive bought thats turned out to be fantastic.

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    2. Re:Does anyone bother with those reviews? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've seen a lot of articles where the writer says they have to return the review unit too.

      Consumer Reports can be a bit odd at times, they've marked down things heavily things that are somewhat minor in my opinion. Sometimes they don't make allowances for the target market, such as marking down a sports car for it's rough ride when that's a sacrifice that needs to be made in order to get better performance.

      Even though they don't get their review samples, I've heard of one way that their no-ad system can be subverted. The companies can buy up large blocks of subscriptions, and the magazine can live under the threat of cancellation if their product is reviewed poorly.

    3. Re:Does anyone bother with those reviews? by Matey-O · · Score: 4, Funny

      I stopped relying on Consumer Reports when their gripe for a Mitsubishi eclipse was: "Trunk too small for a wheelchair."

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    4. Re:Does anyone bother with those reviews? by VolciMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      The best source of [business] hardware and software reviews has been InfoWorld: They either a) get samples from every manufacturer to compare head-to-head or (horror or horrors!) they actually *buy* one from each company and then test them.

  3. For us non-english speakers by ojs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First I hear of the terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagniappe and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swag.

    On another note, isn't this comparable to the free gifts that pharmacutical companies give doctors on their conferences. It is just that this doesn't have the obvious connection to peoples health and well being and perhaps is a bit smaller in scope. A bit far fetched perhaps but the same principle or what?

    1. Re:For us non-english speakers by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      On another note, isn't this comparable to the free gifts that pharmacutical companies give doctors on their conferences.

      Yes. It is. One of the interesting things coming out of some recent research is that even cheap trinkets (pens with blinky lights, post-it notes, etc.) subtly influence prescribing behavior. The drug companies know it. They've studied it extensively and will continue to do this sort of advertising as long as humanely possible. Unfortunately, as a species, we're pretty easy to influence, even if we think we know better and are above it all.

      (Goes back to reading Slashdot).

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    2. Re:For us non-english speakers by AikonMGB · · Score: 3, Interesting

      English is my first language and I consider myself to be relatively well-spoken; I still didn't know what a lagniappe was.

      Aikon-

    3. Re:For us non-english speakers by tshetter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those little trinkets arent half of it, not even close.

      My mother works in a semi-small doctors office. They have 4 docs one is cardio the other neuro, and two might be a more general practitioner doc. Dont know the specifics. About 12 more support staff as well.

      They have Pharm Reps (Drug Reps) they came in atleast twice per week. They give little presentations on new drugs, but also new tools, devices.

      Every time they come, they dont bring just pens, note pads and posters.

      No, no no....

      They cater lunch for the whole office...at an extreme level. The pick up enough food for 75 people!

      Luches from Carrabbas, Smokey Bones, Texas Cattle Company, etc.

      Then all the staff eat lunch like kings, and then bring home enough for dinner that night plus leftovers.

      So, dont think its just $10 worth of office supplies, or some thing. its $1000+ Every day for every Rep.

      Yea, Ill eat their food all day. But it makes me wonder how many billions get spent on PR, ads, and Reps. How much could have gone into progams for uninsured?

    4. Re:For us non-english speakers by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I read an article some time ago by a doctor discussing the fully sponsored "educational conferences" that drug companies have at tropical resorts. He had for a long time refused to even attend one of these free vacations, on ethical grounds. Eventually one of his colleagues convinced him to go on one. There were two or three, one hour information sessions that did in fact give the doctor a thorough understanding of this new wonder drug. The rest of the week he enjoyed the tropics with his wife. When he returned he was sendt a large number of samples of the drug. Even though he was fully aware of how he had been influenced and was ideologically against the bribery aspects of the junket, he found himself handing out samples and writing prescriptions for the new drug, because he had samples to give and knowledge about the drug. The doctor readily admits that he never would have written those prescriptions if he had not gone on the junket. Sorry but I cannot find the link to the original article.

      But to illustrate how bad the advert/bribery has gotten in medicine:

      >The drug companies spend about a third of their revenues on marketing ("selling and administration"). About $8,000 to $12,000 yearly is spent on marketing toward each individual doc per year total. There is one drug rep for every 4.7 office-based physicians. Residents are obviously more prone to influence: "residents in a psychiatry program in Toronto Attended up to 70 lunches that had been sponsored by drug companies and received 75 promotional items over the course of one year," notes David Blumenthal, MD, MPP in a special policy report in the New England Journal of Medicine. (351;18, 1887, 10/28/04).
      http://doctormental.blogspot.com/2004/11/doctors-and-drug-companies.html
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    5. Re:For us non-english speakers by NIckGorton · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Um... fuck research. They wouldn't spend it if it didn't work. So I refuse entirely to take any swag except for samples. I feel like the samples is a deal with the devil, but if I can circumvent the intent of the drug rep some, its not so bad(E.G. give all the advair diskus inhalers to supply my single patient without insurance and with severe asthma rather than the 'free starter' for multiple people that leads to further rxs for the drug companies.)

      Its still a big risk... now I know how much easier it is to get an asthmatic to take advair than cheaper albuterol plus QVAR. So I am probably more likely to rx in the future because of that knowledge. But that is a moral choice I pay for my patient.

      Other than that, I don't eat a cookie, take a plastic pancreas, or write with a Viagra pen. I don't even like to look at the time on a Tequin clock.
      Nick

  4. Critical thinking has its rewards by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Funny

    And some Slashdot militants complain that critical thinking isn't taught in the US school system (or White House press conferences)!

    This is a fine example of critical thinking being rewarded. In their heart of hearts, Corporations only want people to understand the benefits of their products. And writers... well we all know how hard it is to grind out paragraphs for which someone wants to pay. If writers have to EBay their lagniappes for food and rent money, are you going to oppress them with your sanctimonious principles, you cruel prescriptive bastards?

    Besides, the reviewers are not receiving bribes. They are lagniappes. If I were a politician, I would be open to receiving lagniappes. It sounds like something you get at a fine soirée, like canapés and other words with French accents in them.

    Message texted from pew #7 in my church using a Blackberry from a review I did earlier this year.

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    1. Re:Critical thinking has its rewards by Nastard · · Score: 4, Funny

      You talk of critical thinking while surfing (and posting to) Slashdot in a church?

  5. Swag removal for free by WPIDalamar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please email me for my latest free service "Swag Removal". I will provide you with an address that you can ship all of your unwanted swag valued at over $20. I will then make sure that swag is "properly handled" to provide you with an ethical solution to the problem at no cost to you other than shipping.

    1. Re:Swag removal for free by blowdart · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would like to provide an independent review of your service. Please send me some items so I might send some of them back.

  6. "Lagniappes?" by agentkhaki · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Lagniappes" is a word I've not come across before. For anyone else who couldn't figure out the meaning via context, or who's looking for a proper definition:

    lagniappe (lan yap)

    noun

    something given as a bonus or extra gift.

    ORIGIN Louisiana French, from Spanish la ñapa.

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    1. Re:"Lagniappes?" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny
      Thanks for that. It was just too damned hard to select the word, right click on it and "search google".

      Oh, I've got it, you don't have a right mouse button. My bad.

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  7. Nano for Swag? Ha! That's nothing! by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Funny
    I got a really nice computer backpack in 1998 from attending (against my will, but at the behest of The Powers That Be) an SAP conference. And before that I got a Palm IV (!!!) for free, and all that was WAY more expensive and WAY more useful than a fucking iPod nano.

    At another convention, I got a guitar tuner, and a really nice long sleeve Moog Synthesizer T shirt. ANY old dump can crank out cheap short sleeve shirts - you know you're getting a better deal when they dish out heavier quality long sleeve T shirts. That's much better swag. I am a swag seeker. I have original Napster Golf Shirts. I have Macromedia mouse pads, I have all kinds of this crap in my garage. I even have a heavy duty cotton button down collared Fontographer shirt. Really nice shirt, and a prized possession. I have a long sleeve "ready Set go" shirt, too.

    But iPod nano? BWAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Don't make me laugh. That it such junior league material - intro stuff like my shirts and mousepads. When they give away the giant 160 gig iPod, then we're talkin' quality swag....

    RS

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  8. Re:Great News! by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think your sig said it ;)

    When I was more active in the Xbox scene I would receive hardware (modchips) to review. Never sent any of them back, but usually that's because they didn't work so well when I was done with them. Only had one vendor ask for it back, specifically to do Failure Analysis. They asked if I wanted a replacement and I turned them down. To be fair though I first tested the things as a normal user would use them, then as an extreme modder may use them, then as an idiot would use them (plugged in backwards). That usually did them in (though one did my box in instead...). I suppose plugging in an SLI PCIe backwards would be difficult.

    -nB

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  9. "Swag" is a euphemism for "bribe" by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > It's damn nice swag, of course, but at what point is it too much? A DailyTech writer
    > talks about his experiences with swag.

    If you are a reviewer nothing is too much. If you are a consumer anything at all is a bribe.

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  10. I'm a reviewer... by darien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a reviewer for a UK-based PC magazine, and I have to say, though companies do tend to give out freebies at press events, I've never been given anything remotely as interesting as an iPod. Normally it's a USB thumb-drive and a branded pen or two. For major launches you might get a rucksack.

    But be that as it may, surely giving out gifts of any size is only a problem if it actually influences reviewers. And on that count I see no grounds for concern at all. I think anyone who works in this industry quickly develops a healthily cynical regard for manufacturers, and if we feel like a company's being unusually nice to us our immediate instinct is to wonder why, and to look at their product with extra suspicion. The magazine market's just too competitive for reviewers to get away with endorsing lousy products: readers aren't stupid, and I think most of us love our jobs far too much to sell out our reputations for a few hundred pounds' worth of free stuff.

    (That's how it seems to be with print journalism, anyway. Web reviewers... well, I can't speak for them.)

    1. Re:I'm a reviewer... by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Off to a music event this week, everyone who attends the conference gets a free iPod 80GB supplied by Apple. Oh, and it's £80 for the conference.

    2. Re:I'm a reviewer... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Informative
      Look at this review (from 2002) from the medical field. I can't find some of the other references in the open literature but basically, even cheapo freebies (my nurses just love the idiot pens with flashing LEDs in them for some weird reason) can influence behavior.

      Sadly, we're all bought pretty cheaply. Ohh, shiny!

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  11. review freebies by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't the value of the freebies awarded to the reviewer depend directly upon the number of stars awarded by the reviewer?

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  12. Buy the reviewed items by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That is the only real way to seriously review a product. Buy a real version of it from a real retailer who had no idea who you are. That is how consumer watchdogs do it, they want to avoid any potential that the producer tries to influence the results.

    We all seen the stories about reviewers being send special versions, geared to do really well in the used benchmarks.

    Do it like the pros do it. Seperate yourselve completly from the people whose product you are reviewing.

    Offcourse, that means the public has to start A paying the reviewers B wait till the product has already been released before the review can be done. Not going to happen, I am afraid.

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  13. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suppose plugging in an SLI PCIe backwards would be difficult.

    Allow me to introduce my friends "tin snips" and "hot glue gun".

  14. Good swag=good review by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The idea is game sales correlate directly to game reviews. It's in the companies best interests to bribe the hell out of the reviewers. The best example of this was with the PC Gamer review of Doom 3. They got a lot of negative feedback from their review of the game, so they felt it necessary in the next issue to print an article defending why they gave Doom 3 such a great review. They said things like 'People expect games these days to be able to cure cancer while riding a unicycle wearing high heels and juggling'. So that's their justification for giving Doom 3 a good review? Because people expect too much out of games? I think it had largely to do with the sales of Doom 3 and the numerous full page ads id software took out in the magazine. In my opinion games journalism is probably the most dishonest and cooked form of journalism there is. Mind you, taking shameless bribes goes with a lot of other reviewing jobs.

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  15. Swag is just the tip of the iceberg. by gamer4Life · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think that's a bigger form of swag - actual money, disguised as an indirect business deal.

    I'll bet the people in charge of certain magazines or blogs have enormous incentive to put the products of their sponsor companies in a positive light - or at least in a non-negative light.

    At the same time you have to wonder if they'll spin the product of a competitor to their sponsor's product in a negative light.

    For instance, I remember back in the day, Microsoft products would get reviewed much more favourably than WordPerfect or Lotus 1-2-3 or any other competitor based on subjective criteria such as "ease-of-use". Of course, Microsoft was the heaviest advertiser in magazines such as PC Magazine, and you wonder if their executives talked and made an agreement of money for good reviews.

    At CNet, many of their reviewers have written books about Microsoft products, gathering information from people close to Microsoft - how they can maintain an unbiased opinion on any review with a Microsoft gadget is beyond me.

    There are many blogs where the PS3 gets bashed over anything, from calling it a George Foreman grill, to bashing Sony's "evilness", to it's lack of backwards compatibility to it's price. However, the XBox 360, a product by Microsoft, doesn't get bashed nearly as much over it's failure rate, Microsoft's "evilness", overcharging for non-standard components and online play, it's non-backwards compatibility, and so on... - not surprisingly, Microsoft does a lot more advertising on these sites than Sony.

    My point is, bribes go much further in the tech review/news industry than swag...

  16. HardOCP by bazald · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the HardOCP review of the iBUYPOWER P4 Custom Build. If there is a HardOCP review for something, I trust it more than any other review. They aren't afraid to rate something terribly, and to tell you everything that is wrong with it. They also go through the buying process and refuse any free stuff they are offered.

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  17. Like this is new??? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I remember a compiler comparison in Info world. The text of the review did not match the score card. I spoke with the author and found out that the scorecard he submitted was different from what was published. The scores apparently were based on the amount of advertising purchased by the compiler vendor. While doing some writing for the DPMA and BCS, I got a little swag (along the lines of free software). I did attend a few presentations with nice meals for the press.

    It didn't effect my reviews or commentary. I still slammed the companies I got freebies from.

  18. Re:No. by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see it every year in the Jeep reviews, they get dinged for the rough ride. But they should. I've never understood why people criticize Consumer Reports for doing what they're supposed to be doing -- criticizing things from the point of view of an average American suburban family and then spelling out the reasons why things do well or poorly in a review, so that you can decide if those reasons are important to you.

    I've owned a Jeep Wrangler for a decade, and certainly wouldn't recommend it to someone with 2 kids as a replacement for their Honda Accord. It DOES have a rough ride, it lacks amenities, it has no storage space, etc etc. If you don't really want a convertible 4x4 that it easy to tinker with, there's no reason to buy one. Yet every year Jeep groups get up in arms over Consumer Reports giving it a low score because it has a lot of negatives that Jeep owners tend not to care about.

    If you're buying a sports car, you might not care about trunk space or back seat leg room, but that doesn't mean Consumer Reports should just ignore those factors in their review. if you want a review from the point of view of a sports car writer, buy a sports car magazine.

    Consumer reports does a great job, I think the people who complain about it just don't understand what job Consumer Reports is doing.

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