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Iwata Explains Mario Galaxy

The British Gaming Blog has links to articles on the official UK Wii site exploring the title Mario Galaxy . The first explores the game's origins and gives us a peek behind the scenes of the game's voice acting. The second looks at Mario's essence, and the benefits of the 'planetary gameplay'. The last is all about the sound of Mario: "This time, we recorded with an orchestra of about 50 or so members. Of course, they were not very good at first because they were playing music they'd never heard before, and they are also seeing the score for the first time. But as the day went on, their performance improved dramatically, and the process of recording each track in its final form was actually a very fast one. This surprised Miyamoto-san, who was glued to the glass wall looking at them from the other side. He was saying 'So, sound is something that really changes too!'"

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  1. maybe it'll be like Star Control! by huckda · · Score: 1

    Dakdakdalakpak!

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    1. Re:maybe it'll be like Star Control! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's daktaklakpak

      And maybe it'll be like star control II, which was actually a good game.

      By good I mean amazing.

    2. Re:maybe it'll be like Star Control! by Pootworm · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meaning maybe I can get a cameo in a Mario game, or that Mario has to build slave shields to protect the sentients from the OTHER Terrible Secret of Space?

  2. I am so glad by rnmartinez · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That I pre ordered this! I can't wait! I have enjoyed every Mario game I have played (yes, even Luigi's manions although it wasn't awesome) and Sunshine. I think that the graphics will also raise the bar, so that hopefully the Wii stuff doesn't look so bad in the future. I know that graphics aren't everything, but when you look at RE4 and Metroid 3, the excuse of "Its not an xbox 360 or ps3" shouldn't be an out.

    I hope Luigi is playable too!

    1. Re:I am so glad by semifamous · · Score: 1, Informative

      I read on the Intarweb that when you beat the game, you get to replay it, except it's Super Luigi Galaxy!

      w00h0O!!

    2. Re:I am so glad by cromar · · Score: 1

      I am really excited about this title as well. Mario was the shit even back in Wrecking Crew :) The problem for me is that I really miss the feel of the Mario games from the platformers era (Super Mario up through Yoshi's Island). Mario Sunshine had a little bit more of that feel than 64, but I was still not too impressed. Just my 2 cents...

      If this title has more of that old Mario feel, there won't be any stopping me from getting a Wii... if I can find one!

  3. M.U.L.E. by MatrixManiac · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I first saw the title I read "Irata Explains Mario Galaxy" as in the planet where M.U.L.E. happens is talking! :-/

    1. Re:M.U.L.E. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I first saw the title I read "Irata Explains Mario Galaxy" as in the planet where M.U.L.E. happens is talking! :-/ Um, yeah... that happens right after the Leggite uses 50 units of smithore to build the Voice of Planet secret project.
    2. Re:M.U.L.E. by Pancake+Bandit · · Score: 1

      Good to see that people still remember that game, Danielle Berry is one of my personal heroes.

  4. i hope not by unity100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Star Control 3 was such a shame compared to 2.

    1. Re:i hope not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SC3 considered non-canon by Toys for Bob

  5. Voice acting? by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and gives us a peek behind the scenes of the game's voice acting. I so wish I could be the guy who gets to go "It'sa me, Mario!" and "Woohoo!"
    1. Re:Voice acting? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      I saw the clip from an interview with him.....I believe it's on YouTube, but I can't search it from work.....I think it was an excerpt from a G4 show.....

      Layne

    2. Re:Voice acting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Charles Martinet.

    3. Re:Voice acting? by spxero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know if this is the clip you saw, but here's the voice of Mario.

    4. Re:Voice acting? by Sciros · · Score: 1

      Charles Martinet -- big jolly guy who wears Hawaiian shirts. Believe me it's *weird* hearing him do the Mario voice in person. I met him 2.5 years ago at a Nintendo-hosted party. Then later he was at E3 promoting Animal Crossing for DS where he sat behind the scenes and occasionally did the Mario voice while playing with everyone.

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    5. Re:Voice acting? by blueskatz · · Score: 1

      I met him at E3 a few years back at the unveiling of the Nintendo DS. They filed us into a small theater space, and all of a sudden, Mario's head appears on the screen in front of us and starts talking. He welcomes us, and then starts making comments about people's clothes and appearance, and asking audience members direct questions. It was really wild! After a minute or so, a small curtain opens up, and like the Wizard of Oz, Charles Martinet steps out. They had hooked up facial recognition to him so Mario would match his facial movements, and use his voice. Then he did samples of voices of other Nintendo characters, like Wario and so on. It was pretty much the coolest game fan moment ever. Afterwards, we got to go up and actually meet him. Nice guy.

  6. Rule 34. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    > The second looks at Mario's essence, and the benefits of the 'planetary gameplay'.

    I do not avoid princesses, but I do deny them my essence. Wait, she's on another friggin' planet? Aaw, to hell with it!

  7. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nope.

  8. The Orchestra by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As for the music, it's actually not uncommon for the orchestra to only need one, maybe two, takes from complete scratch. Impeccable sight reading coupled with an innate sense of what a piece is musically saying are the makings of the first call musicians that get called to these sorts of jobs. And it can be fairly rough too. If you DO blow it and they have to re-record on the account of you more than once, well you suddenly become the SECOND call guy.

    1. Re:The Orchestra by Alexpkeaton1010 · · Score: 1

      I would imagine video game music would be fairly easy for a musician who is used to playing Beethoven, Prokofiev, and Strauss.

    2. Re:The Orchestra by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually some of the most challenging stuff I have ever seen has been movie and video game scores. One reason being that it can be terribly sporadic and unnatural to play since much of what IS being played has to double as a sound effect. Anyone remember "We 3 Katamari"? Heh, well the Warsaw Philharmonic is listed in the credits as having recorded for the game.

    3. Re:The Orchestra by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I imagine it would also be difficult to play, because historically it has been played by computers via synthesizers. With synthesized instruments you can go a lot faster than any human could, as well as do things with the instruments that would be impossible for any human to accomplish. Even watching the original Mario theme shows that playing it is no simple task. Granted the video shows someone doing it blind folded, but I don't think that makes much difference to a talented pianist.

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  9. My son and I played this at EB games on Sat by ACK!! · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought using the two controllers would throw him off and such made me personally think twice about the wii for Christmas we planned on.

    Then he got ahold of it and just ripped into the game.

    This thing if it has legs to keep the game interesting in the long term is on face value and after a few minutes of playing really fun and engrossing - it really sucks you in. I had to basically drag him off so other kids could get their turn and to get him a milk shake.

    Considering how much he loves ice cream and such that is a pretty big endorsement.

    He wanted to keep going.

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    1. Re:My son and I played this at EB games on Sat by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      Technically it's stil one controller, just split up. Look at your standard Gamecube controller and then look at the Wii controller. Minus a button or two and a joystick, it's all there. Just split up. I love it, it feels a lot more natural and I don't have to hold my hands inches apart from each other at all times. I can play in nearly any position I like.

      Also, I find that the younger the player, the more easily grasped the new controller is. Kids are ridiculous at adapting.

  10. Explain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want him to explain this!

  11. Re:Does it bother anyone... by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...that Mario is an offensive Italian stereotype?

    How? He has an Italian name and a comedy accent. Other than that... I don't see it. I've never seen him eat pasta. He's not in the Mafia. He doesn't sing opera. He doesn't change sides halfway through the fight. He's never even tried to bribe Koopa.

    Unless the current Italian stereotype involves diving through pipes to jump up and down on mushrooms, I just don't get what you mean here.

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  12. Re:Does it bother anyone... by lyonsden · · Score: 1

    Nope. Not me.

    People are too bloody sensitive these days.

  13. This is the game... by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...this is the game that might force me to buy a Wii. Mario 64 convinced me to buy a N64, sadly I'm not sure a better N64 title came out after that, save for Zelda: OoT.

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    1. Re:This is the game... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sadly I'm not sure a better N64 title came out after [Mario 64], save for Zelda: OoT.

      Hmm... except maybe GoldenEye, which I consider the best game the N64 ever had. Not that Mario, Zelda, StarFox, and Mario Kart weren't good.

    2. Re:This is the game... by Eric52902 · · Score: 1

      You must have some pretty serious brain hemorrhage or something, so I'll forgive you for forgetting Goldeneye.

    3. Re:This is the game... by Gravatron · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure whats up with me, but I honestly didn't care for galaxy when I played it at GS the other day, something that very much surprised me. Graphically it was decent, but looks a little bloomy and hazy, like they were trying to cover up some flaw with a filter. The gameplay was decent as well, but not the mind blowing experience people keep making it out to be. It was better than sunshine, but not the return to awesomeness for the series that I keep hearing about.

    4. Re:This is the game... by Bloomy · · Score: 1

      In my opinion, Banjo Kazooie was better than Mario 64, just as Majora's Mask was better than Ocarina of Time. Neither were as ground breaking, but they were better games.

    5. Re:This is the game... by Enderandrew · · Score: 1

      Goldeneye's multiplayer was imbalanced in the characters you could use, and it was a decent console shooter, but I don't think it compares favorably with PC shooters. I know everyone raved about Goldeneye, and I bought it, but I just didn't love it. I don't think I even bothered playing past the jungle level.

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    6. Re:This is the game... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thought Goldeneye sucked? As far as FPS games from that era on consoles go, it was pretty good, but that isn't saying much. Compared to any FPS on a computer, the control utterly sucked, and there wasn't much else going for it either. I'd rather play Quake 2 than Goldeneye anyday.

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    7. Re:This is the game... by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thought Goldeneye sucked? As far as FPS games from that era on consoles go, it was pretty good, but that isn't saying much. Compared to any FPS on a computer, the control utterly sucked, and there wasn't much else going for it either. You pretty much just described every console FPS, ever. That said, I loved Goldeneye.
    8. Re:This is the game... by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Banjo Kazooie had a glaring flaw where you had to collect all 100 notes in a level on one life. Towards the later part of the game, that just sucked all the fun out of it, as you could waste an hour collecting notes, slip somewhere, and have to do it all again. Fix that, and it's a great game. But as is, it's extremely frustrating.

      Majora's Mask was much better than Ocarina of Time though. Ocarina was way too linear.

    9. Re:This is the game... by keitosama · · Score: 1

      Banjo Kazooie had a glaring flaw where you had to collect all 100 notes in a level on one life. I thought that was brilliant, raising the difficulty level way up! It took hours, but I still thought it was well worth the time once I got all 100 of them.
    10. Re:This is the game... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Although technically, Metroid Prime wasn't an FPS, although I'm not sure why not, it's first person perspective, and I'm shooting, apparently it's some action adventure that happens to be from the first person point of view, I enjoyed it a lot. My major problem with it, (and the reason I never beat it) was the save system. There was one point that was really far between save points, and I could never make it to the next one. Playing for 1/2 an hour, only to be killed and having to replay that section over again is extremely frustrating. Especially the 15th time you do it.

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  14. Re:Does it bother anyone... by rob1980 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No. Don't you have anything better to do than be offended at things for the sake of being offended at things?

  15. Interesting insight on the audio aspects by Krozy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    <sarcasm>

    A well known site offering news for nerds references a blog, that in turn references a subsite of a major gaming console revealing the obvious: Sound is an important element of games, and there is a correlation between the quality of sound produced and the amount of practice by those performing.

    </sarcasm>

    Ok. So I read the articles. And really, there are more interesting things about the music. For example, this gem:

    When Mario shoots off from the Sling Star, for example, harp music plays as a sound effect. If you listen carefully, this harp will sound in perfect timing with the background music. This kind of technique rarely gets noticed however.

    I imagine now knowing that special effort was applied to accomplish this will increase the appreciation I would I have for the game. But probably most revealing is this

    "Yokota-san, if somewhere in your mind you have an image that Mario is cute, please get rid of it."... "Mario is cool"

    Playing various Mario games over the years, it seemed that Mario had gone from some kind of rugged savior, to a fun plush toy. But embracing the notion that Mario is more then a cute character, and has some cool charm is also fitting considering the changes to have occurred to the Nintendo console over the years. The Nintendo 64 and GameCube seem more like toys. While the Wii isn't a "powerhouse" next to its brethren, I definately think its cool.

    The impression that the music was slavishly trying to be like previous Mario music had disappeared. Before that, many of the pieces felt like they secretly wanted to copy the Mario sound, and the presence of elements like that made them sound unnatural.

    This is a key element for innovation. Recognizing where you're just copying and doing something about it forces changes that result in raising the quality bar. Overall, I see this as a good thing.

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  16. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...that Mario is an offensive Italian stereotype?

    "From the itsa-me dept."? Nobody finds that inappropriate?

    No, because he isn't offensive in the least. The only ways he could even be considered "stereotypical" is his name and accent.

    Does it bother you that CowboyNeal is an offensive American stereotype?
  17. Re:Does it bother anyone... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it bothers me more that people (like you) look for racism where none exist and that people (like you) have no freaking clue what "humor" is and that humor is not meant to be taken seriously (hence why it's humor).

    So, how long have you been in Slashdot, Reverend Jackson?

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  18. Re:Does it bother anyone... by the+dark+hero · · Score: 2, Informative

    im mario 64 when you leave the plumber idle he begins to snore and talk in his sleep. among the things mentioned are "spaghetti" and "mama mia". no joke

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  19. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's nothing, what about CmdrTaco? Does it bother people that this name is degrading to women, and it shows up all over this site?

  20. Re:Does it bother anyone... by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Funny
    Don't think Mario is offensive? Consider these points:
    • Mario is a plumber. It's a well known fact that well over half of the homes in Italy have indoor plumbing, hence the need for many plumbers. As they say in Rome, "Hey look! It's yet another Italian plumber!"
    • The castle clearly symbolizes the Vatican, and the search for the princess is the Italians' search for God. When the game declares that "the princess is in another castle," it is a kick to the nuts of the Catholic church.
    • It is unfair to characterize all Italians as abusive to turtles, because of the deplorable actions of one Antonio Compagnoni. He left stomped, crushed turtles across the Italian countryside for five months in the summer of 1977 before police finally caught up with him.
  21. What did I just say about racial slurs? by shoemilk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, it was "ravioli" not "spaghetti".  Personally, I thought it was hysterical and a nice addition. The first time it happened when a friend and I were playing it, we couldn't stop laughing. I mean it's not like he says "Damn you and your deigo mustache and greasy hair." Also, you can't claim that  Mario got his start as a racial stereotype as he made his debut in Donkey Kong, which has nothing to do with plumbing (the original slightly offensive Mario Brothers game, in which Luigi comes about was a spin-off)

    1. Re:What did I just say about racial slurs? by the+dark+hero · · Score: 1

      ah that's right. thanks for the correction. it's been so long. i have to admit that i was pretty amused by the soundbyte. i thought it was cute. mario was nothing more than a working class hero and has evolved into a lovable icon. i don't find his stereotypical character offensive, but i sometimes find it annoying. not that mario is a serious character, but it just doesn't fit sometimes. however, i wouldn't want him to change. :]

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    2. Re:What did I just say about racial slurs? by Walpurgiss · · Score: 2, Informative

      He didn't even really have anything to do with Plumbing at first. He was supposed to be a carpenter I think in donkey kong, and was called Jumpman.
      They named him Mario after the landlord of their New York Nintendo of America office building because he looked similar.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario#Conception_and_creation

    3. Re:What did I just say about racial slurs? by YowzaTheYuzzum · · Score: 1

      Actually, it was "ravioli" not "spaghetti".
      Actually, it was both.
  22. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As-a a real-a life-a Italiano, I gotta say-a, no.

  23. It's a little offensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a Sicilian stereotype in terms of looks, in the "Mustache Pete" fashion.

    He collects mushrooms (associated with Italian cuisine) as power-ups.

    He's a rotund plumber who travels through sewer pipes to get to his destinations.

    He stomps on "goombas"... "Goombah" is New York slang used among Italians and by others as a derogatory word.

    If Mario were depicted instead as, say, a black man with a large Afro who collected watermelons for power-ups, traveled through magical basketball nets, and stomped on "nigghas," I would say it might chafe a bit.

  24. Re:Does it bother anyone... by somersault · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Got a source on that last one? I looked up his name but he just sounded like a scientist.. if Mario really was some kind of religious and historical satire then that is quite hilarious though..

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  25. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im mario 64 when you leave the plumber idle he begins to snore and talk in his sleep. among the things mentioned are "spaghetti" and "mama mia"

    There are clearly dozens of other examples, but as the consensus opinion on Slashdot == reality, there's no tolerance for this opinion -- likely because, as with every generation, older people are set in their views and don't want to accept any negative characterization of things they enjoyed when there was less social awareness (cf: racist caricatures in Looney Tunes, Disney and Tom & Jerry cartoons, as well as older works such as "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and "Gone With The Wind").

    Honestly, Mario's accent alone is disturbing. I would be just as put-off if the character were Chinese and spoke with the derogatory "ahso/ching chong" stereotypical accent, or were an African-American who spoke exclusively in "ebonics".
  26. If this interview was a dish... by Laxitive · · Score: 3, Funny

    Then it was too sweet. As I was eating it, morsel by morsel, I realized that they had used too much honey, and the taste not bearable. The cooks who prepared this oversweet meal cared too much about honey, and too little about meat. Also, the tea was bad, since it was mixed with rocks from the garden of overused fucking food analogies for christ's sake STOP. I am no longer HUNGRY.

  27. Re:Does it bother anyone... by trytoguess · · Score: 1

    Eh, give it a generation. Either things like "white men (or just men in general) are stupid," or of course Mario's accent will be considered wrong. Or we'll losen up and consider minor sterotypes well not worth really getting upset over. To be honest either future is fine with me.

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  29. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, because he isn't offensive in the least.

    I think you'll have to speak for yourself and yourself alone on that opinion.

    The only ways he could even be considered "stereotypical" is his name and accent.


    Really now?

    Names (Mario and Luigi? Why not Guido and Nunzio?), "Uncle Luigi" accent (and cliche phrases used), appearance (big belly, large nose, mustache), occupation ("fat Italian plumber" is a stereotype), eating habits (mushrooms aside, the fact that both brothers are food-loving Italians is a stereotype).

    And let's not forget about "goombas".

    That's not even going past the Italian thing, because most Mario games also reinforce plenty of negative gender stereotypes as well.
  30. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it bothers me more that people (like you) look for racism where none exist and that people (like you) have no freaking clue what "humor" is and that humor is not meant to be taken seriously (hence why it's humor).

    Right on! Let's bring back minstrel shows, since it's all in good fun and anyone who doesn't agree is wrong for feeling slighted.

    "Humor" is not an excuse for racism, no matter how many members of privileged, empowered divisions of society claim that it is or moderate your myopic post positively. As the webmaster of "widescreen.org," I'm doubting you've ever even come close to being disadvantaged or a member of any underclass.

    So, how long have you been in Slashdot, Reverend Jackson?

    Your typical white-collar disrespect of one of the most profound civil rights activists in American history just says it all, doesn't it?
  31. Re:Does it bother anyone... by meringuoid · · Score: 3, Funny
    That's not even going past the Italian thing, because most Mario games also reinforce plenty of negative gender stereotypes as well.

    True enough - the stereotype that women are physically weak but can levitate temporarily has held back gender equality for decades.

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  32. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True enough - the stereotype that women are physically weak but can levitate temporarily has held back gender equality for decades.
    SMB2 wasn't even a Mario game originally, and the parent poster said "most Mario games" in any case -- in most Mario games, the princess is strictly a damsel in distress and is totally powerless. But hey, don't let that stop your karma-whoring.
  33. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to say, a large part of my family is Italian and I love stomping mushrooms. Whenever I go on a hike and find a mushroom, I just have to stomp it. They're just really interesting-looking when they are crushed.

    However, I am terrible with plumbing. The sink in the bathroom has been stopped up for a month, and the last thing I want to do is jump in there and check out the problem. I mean, fuck, it's probably lava and moving platforms.

    I also love spaghetti. I have never actually said "mama mia" though. I will consider it, though.

    Also, I can't grow a moustache for the life of me.

  34. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Endo13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's largely because of people like you that racism has stuck around as long as it has in many parts of the US.

    Yes, there's still areas in the US where racism is a real and legitimate problem. Most places it would long since have faded into oblivion if people weren't constantly on a witch hunt trying to find racism in every little thing.

    The only real way to ever get rid of racism is to stare it in the face for what it is, deal with it, and then move on.

    If you're going to nitpick on something as unoffensive as Mario and Luigi being "racist" then everything is racist (or at least discriminatory) and offensive in some way. If you look hard enough for it you'll always find it, whether it really exists or not. Every single video game ever made has as much or more racism as any Mario game ever made. End of story.

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  35. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

    SMB2 wasn't even a Mario game originally, and the parent poster said "most Mario games" in any case -- in most Mario games, the princess is strictly a damsel in distress and is totally powerless. But hey, don't let that stop your karma-whoring.

    Princesses that are kidnapped by large reptilian or semi-reptilian creatures are, by definition, damsels-in-distress. They are political leaders (sometimes just political figureheads), and as such their education has been concentrated on law, diplomacy, proper form, and so on, not martial arts.

    In an action game where you're supposed to save the President, he's going to be in the same situation. The same goes for scientists, unless they have a biohazard suit or a giant robot.
  36. Re:Does it bother anyone... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 1

    You are in desperate need of understanding the word "context".

    You also need a few video lessons by Professor George Carlin with respect to the inherent neutrality of words -- all words -- and its respective relationship to context and intent.

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  37. MOD PARENT FUNNY, NOT TROLL by Matteo522 · · Score: 1

    Modded Troll? Clearly the mods didn't read the article -- this was the first thing I thought of, too. The first half-page sounds more like Iron Chef than an article about games.

  38. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In an action game where you're supposed to save the President, he's going to be in the same situation. The same goes for scientists, unless they have a biohazard suit or a giant robot.

    It's negative gender-role reinforcement when a female is in the role, not when a male is.

    The double-standard is completely justified given the millenia of subjugation of women and the frequent historical casting of females in such roles, especially in Japanese culture.

    Please, educate yourself on feminist ideology. You'll be doing yourself and the world a favour.

  39. by Toys for bob ? by unity100 · · Score: 1

    we sc2 players have started taking sc3 non canon 2 months after it was out.

  40. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's largely because of people like you that racism has stuck around as long as it has in many parts of the US.

    Oh, please. It's because of people with views like mine that racism's impact has been minimized in merely a generation in the US.

    Or did you conveniently forget that a mere human lifetime ago in the US, nonwhites were considered fourth-class citizens subject to vigilante lynchings and forbidden from using public property? (Irish and Italians were mistreated, as well.)

    The only real way to ever get rid of racism is to stare it in the face for what it is, deal with it


    Unhelpful bromide. Pap, in fact. Ironic given your wheedling apologia for the blatantly stereotypical (who said racist?) elements of the Mario universe.

    I'd bet most people vehemently arguing against any post criticizing the Mario games for their stereotypical and derogatory elements are WASPs -- who can't possibly understand the viewpoint of disadvantaged classes because they cannot empathize; the powerless making fun of the powerful doesn't hurt them a bit, it only hurts in reverse.
  41. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your clumsy, vague response indicates to me that you've nothing left to offer to the discussion.

    Back to pondering widescreen TVs and suburban life for you, and back to the fight for social justice and true equality for me.

  42. Re:Does it bother anyone... by WidescreenFreak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If looking for racism and inequality (even when it doesn't exist) is all that you think life should be about, then you are part of the problem of why such issues still exist. Of course, you don't bother to use a legitimate account, instead opting to hide under AC, so I don't even know why I should bother conversing with you anyway.

    Oh, and nice class warfare you're spouting there. That's less offensive and disruptive than racism how?

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  43. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't you have anything better to do than be offended at things for the sake of being offended at things?

    Grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you. You're not privy to anyone's motives besides your own.
  44. Mr. Kettle, there's a Mr. Pot on the phone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

    Oh, noes! Am I going to get in trouble now because I used the word "black" even though it had zero to do with anything racial? With your narrow view of the world, I guess I'd better get my apology to Sharpton written up pronto.

  45. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    who said racist?

    I did, and for good reason. Japanese culture is notoriously racist.

    Check the demographics: more than 98% of the population are native Japanese, the rest mostly split between Ainu and Korean immigrants (the latter of which are treated today like blacks were in the US in the '50s; the Ainu are treated like native Americans were in the US in the 1800s).

    Check the war crimes against the Chinese at Nanjing.

    Check the portrayal of Blacks in anime and manga.

    Check the history; a scant few decades ago, the name of the country was Dainippon -- Superior-to-all Japan. They dropped the prefix post-Enola Gay, but never dropped the attitude of superiority.

    "Mario" being an offensive, racist caricature of Italian-Americans is not unexpected, but it shouldn't be glossed over. Maybe it was okay in the 1980s, but it's a different time now.

    We don't do cartoons like "Song of the South" and there are no black mammies supervising Tom & Jerry these days; why should Italians tolerate similar so-called humorous misrepresentations in video games?

    Aren't games supposed to be about game mechanics and gameplay? Are you people saying "Mario" would really be less fun if his character and surroundings weren't filled with ludicrous, offensive and racist stereotypes? Or that it would be acceptable for Nintendo to produce a game with the same mechanics as "Mario" but embracing different offensive stereotypes for the environment and characters?

    Let's see Nintendo produce a "Yunioshi-san" character with huge buck teeth, slits for eyes, who collects rice and noodles for power-ups and speaks like his namesake in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". No problem, right?
  46. I'll call your bluff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Explain in detail how GPP comment was in any way PKB, and we'll have a proper discussion over your concerns.

    Otherwise, you lose. Deal?

    1. Re:I'll call your bluff. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain in detail how GPP comment was in any way PKB, and we'll have a proper discussion over your concerns.

      "You're not privy to anyone's motives besides your own."

      There you go. I win. And it's quite clear that you are incapable of a "proper discussion" unless the topics include making a mountain out of a molehill for the expressed purpose of self-righteous, race-baiting. Good-bye! I'm not feeding the troll anymore. Go ahead, you can get the last statement in just to prove how superior you are.

  47. Caricature != stereotype by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    No, there is a vast difference between caricature and stereotype.

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  48. Re:Does it bother anyone... by rkanodia · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure President Ronnie was a bad enough dude to beat the ninjas by himself. He just didn't want to embarrass the Bad Dudes by taking care of everything while they were still running around in a sewer.

  49. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, please, back into the internet-ether with you, you smug, self-righteous prick.

  50. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you have a life outside of trolling by any chance?

  51. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feminist ideology: justifying hypocritical double standards since 1834.

  52. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 1

    Well. In the Super Mario RPG, it was revealed that the whole Bowser/Mario/Princess thing was pretty much just a traditional, expected, almost friendly sort of thing. Bowser kidnaps the Princess, Mario kicks his butt, everyone expects him to try again soon and, strangely, nobody seems to be too shocked or even worried about it. But then, at and during the Smithy incident, the whole quaint little affair is thrown out of whack and the Princess (and Bowser...) joins up with Mario to kick butt right along side. She does get kidnapped by Booster at one point, but as I recall she left a big red palmprint on the side of his face for his trouble (after Mario and co. kicked his wedding cake's ass). In Paper Mario, she's clearly smarter and more resourceful than Boswer, Kamikoopa, and all of their forces combined. I get the feeling she only sticks around the castle to gather intel for Mario and out of loyalty for the others kidnapped and held in the castle. With that disguise parasol and the parked clowncopters in the hangar she could totally be out of there the instant she felt like it. In Mario 2 USA she's easily the best character in the game. Honestly, after discovering that the Princess could float, who actually bothered to try to beat the game with any of the others? I didn't think so.

  53. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn those racist Japanese! It's all their racist fault! Did you know 98% of Japanese who live in Japan are Japanese? Racists! Damn their slanty eyed buck toothed noodle collecting racist hides! They don't treat their minorities with respect like we do so well! All Japanese should be segregated and ridiculed for their obscene racism! We should look at them not as fellow humans, but brainwashed zombies trying to finish Hitlers work (remember whose side they were on!) DAMN THEIR ENTIRE RACE!

  54. Re:Does it bother anyone... by pokerdad · · Score: 1

    Every single video game ever made has as much or more racism as any Mario game ever made.

    Absolutely, there are thousands of insanely racist video games out there, which is why they all should be banned! Heck, just look at the grandfather of video games, Pong; you have two white paddles and a white ball. Where are all the other colour paddles? Are we suppose to believe that only the white paddles are good enough? They should release an updated, non-racist version of Pong where you have option of playing with black paddles and a black ball.

  55. Hey, no need to bring Reverend Jackson into this by patio11 · · Score: 1

    Just hearing the concept of Japanese racism against white people would cause his head to explode. Alternatively, he could go with Plan A and suggest it was the inevitable result of systemic racism against black people, then go back to shaking down gullible white people for money.

  56. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  57. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Afief · · Score: 1

    I have _not_ played every mario game out there, but I did play Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island and Mario64 and I gotta say WTF?!

    1. The only way I know that mario is a plumper is that I saw some of the cartoon stuff as a child.
    2. Couldn't the castle just symbolize just about anything else?
    3. How exactly is the princess symbolizing the vatican's search for god? From what I recall Mario and the princess are together until she's stolen by Bowser(is there some symbolism I have missed?)
    4. SMW had a star road which when completed turned the turtles into heads, where is the symbolism in that? I doubt there is an animal that lends itself better to the idea of "kill the bad thing, use part of it's body as a weapon."

    I'm sorry but I think you're trying to make a connection where there is none.

  58. Re:Does it bother anyone... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 1

    Your one of the fuckwits that think RE5 is racist don't you? Get off your soap box. Only people who really make racism something people want to do are those who wave a big fucking flag about it. Especially when there is NONE.

  59. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an idiot.

  60. Re:Does it bother anyone... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    The scary part is that I've known enough psycho hypocrite bitches (and brain-friend men(!)) that would actually try to pass that off as reasonable discourse, that I can't tell if he's being ironic, or if he's trolling...

  61. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The scary part is that I've known enough psycho hypocrite bitches (and brain-friend men(!)) that would actually try to pass that off as reasonable discourse

    Yes, and your ugly misogynist screed should be considered "reasonable discourse"?

    Hypocrisy assumes a state of equality; females haven't had the same historical role as men, have been generally treated as a servant-class until the last 50 years in Western culture, oh - and as it's clear you haven't discovered this yet, they're fundamentally different creatures in terms of anatomy.

    It is perfectly reasonable to state in a historically-patriarchal society that a helpless female is a rotten role model while a helpless male is a curious aberration. If you have an argument to respond to this that doesn't invoke cursing women and calling them names, feel free to state it.
  62. Thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the spoiler, jerk.

  63. Re: Metroid Prime 3 by trdrstv · · Score: 1

    Although technically, Metroid Prime wasn't an FPS, although I'm not sure why not, it's first person perspective, and I'm shooting, apparently it's some action adventure that happens to be from the first person point of view, I enjoyed it a lot. My major problem with it, (and the reason I never beat it) was the save system. There was one point that was really far between save points, and I could never make it to the next one. Playing for 1/2 an hour, only to be killed and having to replay that section over again is extremely frustrating. Especially the 15th time you do it.

    Yeah, that's why I never beat Metroid Prime. The above scenario is even less attractive after you beat a boss, then search for 10 minutes for a save spot, only to die, and have to beat the boss again. However Metroid Prime 3 fixed that with a checkpoint system that saved progress after every major event. In addition to that it has the best FPS controls to date. (it beats all console shooters and PC shooters controls, mostly because WASD blows.)

  64. Re:Does it bother anyone... by somersault · · Score: 1

    No, I'm just overly trusting and ignorant. Being an idiot is quite different. But from what you're saying the GGPP must have just been joking.

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  65. Re:Does it bother anyone... by LKM · · Score: 1

    Okay, so which part of what GP says is not true? And if you can't find a part that isn't, then why should telling the truth be ironic or trolling?

  66. Re:Does it bother anyone... by LKM · · Score: 1

    It's largely because of people like you that racism has stuck around as long as it has in many parts of the US.

    Yeah, because if we don't discuss it, it doesn't exist! Yay, problem solved.

  67. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    You're trying to be sarcastic, but the irony is that what you said is true. Racism is entirely in the mind. As long as people hold petty perceived differences/inferiorities in their mind between different cultures, it exists. And as long as people keep looking for it, they'll keep thinking about it, and it won't go away. Only when people stop discussing and thinking about it and start thinking about everyone as just another human will it cease to exist. Sure, it'll never happen overnight. But the way things are going now, it's never going to happen at all.

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  68. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Endo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh, please. It's because of people with views like mine that racism's impact has been minimized in merely a generation in the US. Wrong. The people who had a good impact are the ones who took racism for what it was and dealt with it. Going on a witch hunt looking for racism in places like a Mario game is something entirely different from dealing with segregated schools and getting kids to realize they're all pretty much the same and work together.

    Or did you conveniently forget that a mere human lifetime ago in the US, nonwhites were considered fourth-class citizens subject to vigilante lynchings and forbidden from using public property? (Irish and Italians were mistreated, as well.) Of course not. And thanks to people like you, we'll be constantly thinking about it, and everyone's going to be racist about it in one way or another, whether they want to or not. Either they'll be annoyed that people are still going on about something that happened decades ago and feel peeved at the particular minority group, or they'll feel like the minority group should get some special treatment for some injustice their ancestors endured in the past. Either way they're still seeing the minority group as something other than just regular humans, which is far more racist than any Mario game. And if these people in minority groups really do care about racism they don't want either response. They'd much rather be just another guy/chick in the neighborhood, chatting with the guy next door or going about their business.
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  69. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    No, I'm just overly trusting and ignorant. I think the word you're looking for there is "naive". ;P
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  70. Re:Does it bother anyone... by somersault · · Score: 1

    Shhh. Sometimes I can be cynical too, it depends how recently I've been burned :p

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  71. Re:Does it bother anyone... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    That the double-standard is justified.

  72. Re:Does it bother anyone... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    And people like you are the prime reason that I think feminism is a joke. You bitch at me about "calling names" three lines after your lovely ad hominem falsely accusing me of being a virgin. Very cute.

    You should also look up the definition of "hypocrisy." It has nothing to do with a state of equality. It's saying one thing and doing another, much like your own failed PC rant.

    If feminists want equality, then they're going to have to lose their misanthropic notions of "justified double standards", the claim that they're "owed" something, etc... Either they want equality, or they want to be treated special. The two are mutually exclusive. If they want special laws to protect them, that's fine, but then they lose all claim to equality, since they are voluntarily admitting that they cannot function without special dispensations in their favor.

  73. Re:Does it bother anyone... by LKM · · Score: 1

    You're trying to be sarcastic, but the irony is that what you said is true. Racism is entirely in the mind.

    That's bullshit. If some nazis beat up an immigrant, it doesn't go away just because you pretend it isn't racism. If the justice system is x times more likely to put a black person on death row than a white person, for the same crime, that doesn't stop being racism just because people aren't allowed to discuss it.

  74. Re:Does it bother anyone... by Endo13 · · Score: 1

    Wow, lack of reading comprehension FTL.

    First, we're talking about racism as it currently exists in the US, not Nazi Germany in WW2. I don't see very many nazis over here beating up immigrants these days.

    Second, yes racism is all in the mind. Why were the Nazis trying to eradicate all Jews, and perhaps go for world domination? Because in their minds, they were a superior race. Of course, as we all know it wasn't the truth - it was merely in their minds. Yes, it resulted in some extremely brutal actions, but it doesn't change what racism is. Nowhere did I say, nor imply, nor hint that the results of racism are only in the mind. Only that racism itself is.

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  75. Re:Does it bother anyone... by LKM · · Score: 1

    Wow, lack of reading comprehension FTL. First, we're talking about racism as it currently exists in the US, not Nazi Germany in WW2. I don't see very many nazis over here beating up immigrants these days.

    Is it ironic that you complain about my reading comprehension, only to then utterly miss the point of my sentence?

    Second, yes racism is all in the mind. Why were the Nazis trying to eradicate all Jews, and perhaps go for world domination? Because in their minds, they were a superior race.

    That's fascinating, but utterly pointless.