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Bypass Windows With Fast-Boot Technology

thatnerdguy writes "Phoenix Technologies, a developer of BIOS software, is working on a new technology called Hyperspace that will allow you to instantly load certain applications like email, web browser and media player, without loading windows. It could even lead to tailoring of computers to even more specific demographics, like a student laptop preloaded with word processor, email and an IM all available at the press of a button." Why is this story setting off alarms in my brain?

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  1. "Technology" by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not "fast-boot technology". It's "just another software program". One with a great purpose, but not worth distinguishing as "technology".

  2. Hot on the heels of recent bootloader stories by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait! Wait! We're still relevant. x86 BIOS is still useful for some things!

  3. "With the exception of Apple" by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Phoenix is currently in talks with most major PC manufacturers, with the notable exception of Apple."

    Because (at the risk of being accused of Trolling), Apple will eventually bring out iRightNow which will pretty much do the same thing but in White only and at three times the price?

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    1. Re:"With the exception of Apple" by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple just makes systems that properly wake up from hibernation/sleep quickly. My Macbook is the first machine that simply just works.. close the lid when you're done, stash the machine.. open the lid and unpause the still open itunes in under 15 seconds! I'd say Apple has already done one better.. implementing a bios CORRECTLY in the first place!

    2. Re:"With the exception of Apple" by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative
      There are a few reasons why Apple wouldn't be interested in this technology:
      • They use EFI with only a BIOS-compat mode for people who want windows.
      • Mac users don't want a second, inconsistent UI experience.
      • Mac laptops have had 'instant on' for years. Mac laptop users don't shut their machines down, they just close the lid and let it sleep then open the lid and have it resume in a couple of seconds. The problem this solves doesn't exist in the Mac world.
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    3. Re:"With the exception of Apple" by p0tat03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ah yes, eventually I figured out how to do it with my old Toshiba, considering how the default mode was hibernate, and nowhere does it recommend or even mention that an alternate, faster sleep mode was available, and indeed the option was hidden deep within the guts of the OS.

      Apple's "it just works" mantra isn't rocket science, among other things it's about being non-stupid with your default settings, and exposing features in a usable, easy to find manner.

      Joe user isn't going to know the difference between hibernate and sleep, he just wants his machine to be snappy and work. So while the underlying technology is no different, one machine gets a much more favorable impression.

    4. Re:"With the exception of Apple" by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's been available but it hasn't "Just Worked". Half the time I try to hibernate with XP I get some driver error message. It'll go through all the steps to hibernate and then within a few seconds after wake itself back up.

      If I close the lid and put it away, it's dumb enough to run its battery completely dead. I even have "Critical Battery Alarm" set to Hibernate at 3%. But if I close my lid and put it in my desk drawer, the next morning the battery is completely dead. Even after I plug it back in I have to go through the 'reboot' sequence all over again.

      My Macbook pro is the exact opposite. If I forget about it it'll hibernate itself. I don't see why this isn't part of any OS as is. If my battery runs low enough it'll hibernate itself. Next time I plug it in, it automatically comes back from where it was. XP allows me that extra 30 seconds of run time but then again when I do find power I have to start from scratch. My Macbook Pro has an "uptime" of a little over a week (Since the Leopard install) even though I've run the battery 'dead' twice because the OS is smart enough to shut itself down properly

      I would be willing to bet that Linux has all of these features too. But I would also be willing to bet that they don't work as seamlessly as OS X.

  4. Um.. by user24 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Load applications quickly without loading windows?

    Isn't this called Linux?

  5. Re:old technology by Storlek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously though, it really is old technology.
    http://www.linuxbios.org/

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  6. Similar to Virtualization technologies by DaveWick79 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds very similar to virtualization technologies being developed that allow an application, say a database, to run in a virtual environment on a server without having an underlying OS. Why not virtualize a desktop as well? Why not run a simple OS with networking capabilities?

    My concern would be data security, as if you wanted to run a word processor or any app that needs access to your hard drive or thumb drive, you would have to have appropriate security built into the miniOS to handle reading and writing. An option would be to provide some onboard flash storage for Hyperspace to use. How much can you enable the end user to customize the user experience without opening up the system to security risks?

  7. No brainer. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why boot up a bloated OS just to check your mail or run instant messenger? Sandbox every application that boots this way, and you increase your security, raise your battery life, whiten your teeth, etc.

    People always say, "Well all this person does is check email! Why do they need a fancy computer/operating system/office suite." The real question should be, why do they need an OS at all?

    I love my desktop, and I'll probably keep one until they get something that I can wear that does all the same stuff, but I'm fricking sick to death of dealing with people's computer issues, when they only really need a web browser. Handing out knoppix disks works well enough, as a stopgap, but reducing things to a more simple state is highly desirable.

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    1. Re:No brainer. by div_2n · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In all the years I've been helping people with their home computers, I've only encountered one person that actually "just checked email". The rest _say_ they only check email. Then watch their computer boot. Some random instant messaging client pops up and I get, "oh yeah, I use that to message my friends/book club/church group/whatever". They have a solitaire shortcut on their desktop that they use when they're bored. They have some program they use to edit photos of their grandchildren they receive in the email.

      By the time all is said and done, they do a heck of a lot more than just email and more than what probably makes sense for some trimmed down applications.

  8. Re:Rootkit applications? by DaveWick79 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It may be sad, but it's a legitimate concern that has to be addressed before it becomes mainstream technology. The article does not address this concern at all and I would be very interested to hear what Phoenix is doing to ensure the security of this system.

  9. Re:Whoah by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Informative

    Asus already offers this.
    http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=885&num=1
    It does use Linux BTW and the Motherboard is very Linux Friendly.

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  10. Toy by zlogic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this will be no more than toy - BIOS manufacturers often introduce neat features that are dropped and forgotten.
    For example:
    - Ancient versions of AMIBIOS had a Windows 3.11-like mouse-operated GUI (I had one on a 486 PC purchased in 1995). It was a lot easier to use than "modern" text-based BIOSes in 2007. And if the computer had no mouse, you could use the keyboard for navigation.
    - I bought an ASUS motherboard about six years ago and it had a feature that spoke about any failures, e.g. no video card or bad memory, instead cryptic beeps that are common today.

    Besides, phones and PDAs are "boot" faster not because the initialization procedure is faster (my PDA boots in about 30 seconds) but because they sleep instead of powering off.

  11. What is this 'booting'? by victim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh right, the thing you do when you buy the computer and then after each OS upgrade. I never shut off a laptop from the day I buy it until I dispose of it so boot time is irrelevant. I think if boot time is a problem for some machines then the hardware vendors should address sleep time power consumption instead of creating a new user environment.

    Nasty issues to be handled in embedded BIOS applications:
    1. Enter all my wifi access data again.
    2. Configure all my email accounts again.
    3. Can it get to my authentication keychain?
    4. Can it sync my browser bookmarks?
    5. Can it get to my address book?
    6. If my wifi world uses MAC filtering or the BIOS remembers wap/wep keys, does it take authentication to get these apps up or can Bob the cleaning guy activate them?
    7. Can I securely disable it?
    8. The user interface is identical to my existing apps so I don't have to learn one more damn environment, right?


    I guess you can cram this in 4M of flash if you are top notch programmer, 128M if you are not. Either way the hardware won't add more than $20 to the cost of the laptop, so I suppose it is a good thing, as long as you can disable it.

    It does open an interesting option: If a user only needs email and web access, they don't need to install an OS at all.

  12. Re:Whoah by somersault · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's excellent, thanks for the link even if you were just trying to hijack me thread ;)

    I was thinking that building apps directly into the BIOS is just like having single purpose Word Processors back in the day, but the technology in the article does sound excellent, and for example talks about running an antivirus scanner in the BIOS to save on overhead even while you're using another OS for your applications, so it could actually be very handy. I think it makes use of virtualisation to help get around the whole driver thing, not very sure at this point though, as I dont know much about virtualisation, especially on the hardware side.

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  13. your sig by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 5, Informative

    As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.


    Wild turkeys can fly. Domestic turkeys are too fat.

    http://www.kidzone.ws/animals/turkey.htm
    (search for "unable to fly")

    As someone who's had flocks of wild turkeys fly over his head, I can attest to their ability to fly first hand. I've also seen them fly away after being shot. That's why you always aim for the head; their feathers are too tough for shotgun pellets.

  14. Re:Why? by toadlife · · Score: 4, Funny

    He installed a device into his head which functions as an alarm. It allows him to have an alarm without the need for an external device.

    As to why it's going off....maybe he put AM instead of PM?

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  15. Re:Sounds possible by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes. Amiga had a 32-bit preemptive multitasking OS in ROM in the 80s.

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  16. Re:Rootkit applications? by rkanodia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From your link:

    We hold this truth to be self-evident, that those in Congress who vote on legislation they have not read, have not represented their constituents. They have misrepresented them.

    Sadly, I think that signing something they haven't even read is rather strongly representative of their constituents.