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A Panoramic View of Your Insides

deepcleanfun writes "Researchers from New Mexico and Taiwan have invented a tiny probe — about the size of a rice grain — equipped with an ultrasound scanner that can travel through veins and arteries, taking ultrasound images of its surroundings. Unlike previous probes that travel through the body, which provide a view from only one direction at a time, the new device has seven imagers integrated onto the hexagonal prism that can see nearly everywhere at once."

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  1. Still untested though by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently they haven't even gotten around to testing it on animals yet. But they say it works great in a glass of water. The news might be a bit premature.
    No nice pics either.

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    1. Re:Still untested though by explosivejared · · Score: 0

      I'm no doctor, so could someone explain what the concrete benefits this would bring over regular probe images, other than being able to translate to Imax.

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    2. Re:Still untested though by butterwise · · Score: 1

      No nice pics either.
      Probably because we all know what the inside of a glass of water looks like...
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    3. Re:Still untested though by DrLang21 · · Score: 1

      Without knowing all of the details, I can only make an assumption. Small probes like this typically operate at higher frequencies. With ultrasound, higher frequency means better resolution, but the images dont penetrate as far. Thus for really high resolution images of your insides, the probe must be placed inside the body to get close enough to the target. This would allow the probe to be left in the body with a full panoramic view, so you don't need to worry about it's orientation.

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    4. Re:Still untested though by ShiningSomething · · Score: 5, Interesting
      They don't take pictures: it's an ultrasound. So it's not limited to looking around it, it can see beyond the blood vessels, in places that are hard to ultrasound from outside the body. From TFA:

      Ultrasound scanners are normally used to peer into the body from the outside, in order to examine unborn babies or look for tumours, for example. Enabling these devices to penetrate deep inside the body, and to provide accurate images at this depth, is difficult because longer wavelengths are required, which dramatically reduce resolution.
      So you get the ultrasound machine inside the body, right next to what you want to study. Since sonograms usually look at flows (you see heartbeats, bloddflows, etc), having input from different directions at the same time is much better than having a sequence of sonograms. So that's why it's an improvement.
    5. Re:Still untested though by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      But not from....the INSIDE!

      Layne

    6. Re:Still untested though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess you've never been to a pool/river/lake have you? You probably only leave the basement to go to class.

    7. Re:Still untested though by Cornflake917 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They don't take pictures: it's an ultrasound. You can usually use the information from the ultrasounds to get pictures though.
    8. Re:Still untested though by ShiningSomething · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sure. I just meant they're not "taking pictures" as in photographs or video (which they could, right?). Ultrasound is indeed an imaging technique, so they are creating images.

    9. Re:Still untested though by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Oh sure, I've been to those....but I've never seen through the walls to the outside.....if they dropped one of these in a glass, I'd like to see the distorted view of the surroundings......and how that might look....basically it would like being in a fish tank.

      Layne

    10. Re:Still untested though by fractoid · · Score: 1

      [...] dont penetrate as far [...] you don't need to worry about it's orientation. When talking about having a probe inside one's body, I think the orientation is somewhat significant.

      I'm all for tolerance and each to their own, but I don't want no gay probe in MY body! :P
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    11. Re:Still untested though by davidfromoz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are devices that do this kind of thing already. They are called Intravascular Ultrasound. They are mounted on a catheter and they generate a 360 degree view. Its largely used for looking at vessel lining, though some work has been done with it in the heart chambers.

      To my knowledge, which may be wrong, they do not measure flow (Doppler), it would usually not be effective since the plane of the image is perpendicular to the catheter. Since flow is normally parallel to the catheter the Doppler effect could not be used effectively. Anyway there are other catheter based devices that can measure flow I think. (the forward firing feature of this transducer might be used for Doppler measurements).

      The only really interesting thing I see about this is the potential to have it no attached to the catheter. Swallowing or perhaps insertion near a site. But since this is a press release, they are only working in a glass of water and they make no statement about how to get the data out when its not attached to a catheter I'd have to say this is pie in the sky at this stage.

    12. Re:Still untested though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They look for tumours? What colour are the tumours?

  2. Origami style manufacturing. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative

    Origami is the art of making figures by folding paper. They seem to have fabricated the sonar emitters in a flat piece and folded it into a hexagon. That seems to be the key to get multiple views.

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  3. Without pics by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Without pics you weren't IN my insides!

    1. Re:Without pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what *she* said.

    2. Re:Without pics by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      As much as I hate to say it, that's actually funny in this discussion, not troll.

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  4. How does this not kill you? by RandoX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't having solid stuff in your bloodstream bad?

    1. Re:How does this not kill you? by Otter · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's on a catheter, not floating around.

    2. Re:How does this not kill you? by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1

      lol: oops! the line broke.

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    3. Re:How does this not kill you? by dubbreak · · Score: 1
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  5. Sounds like by slapout · · Score: 1, Redundant

    it could be a Fantastic Voyage.

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    1. Re:Sounds like by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      And, at the end, you face all kinds of fibrous and "gelatenous" flotsam in a fantastic brownout in an self-contained swamp.

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    2. Re:Sounds like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. It's Magic Schoolbus.

    3. Re:Sounds like by Locutus · · Score: 1

      except they'll have to change the part about going where no camera has gone before. Sure looks corny by todays standards. And Shirley there's room for a remake or maybe part deux.

      http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0060397/trailers-screenplay-E14113-310

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  6. We have seen the enemy, and it is us. by jabber · · Score: 1

    So doctors will now be able to see in 3D that the arterial blockage that killed the patient is the little probe they sent in to find a suspected arterial blockage?

    Cool tech and all, but how do they control where it goes?

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    1. Re:We have seen the enemy, and it is us. by wattrlz · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a highly paid professional standing by the bedside manipulating the catheter by hand eg: twisting, pushing, and tugging a little tube to which the device is attached.

    2. Re:We have seen the enemy, and it is us. by jadin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crikey, none of you watch House?

  7. Martin Short... by butterwise · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...has generously offered to pilot the device.

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    1. Re:Martin Short... by Zymergy · · Score: 1

      No, No, that's Lt. Tuck Pendleton (Dennis Quaid):
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093260/

    2. Re:Martin Short... by daeley · · Score: 1

      Martin Short has generously offered to pilot the device.

      And Stephen Boyd punches Martin Short in the nose.

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    3. Re:Martin Short... by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, references to "Fantastic Voyage" triggers memories of Raquel Welch for me, far more entertaining imagery.
      Could be worse, I guess, might have brought synthesized imagery of Isaac Asimov in a white jumpsuit.

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  8. Privacy concerns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Couldn't this be used to track people? Is this project corporately funded? Follow the money.

  9. I can already see inside. by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

    You don't need one of these for Goatse.....

    Layne

    1. Re:I can already see inside. by j-stroy · · Score: 0, Troll

      I for one, welcome our new overlords with their smaller probes.

    2. Re:I can already see inside. by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      I for one, wish our current overlords would start warming up their gloves ahead of time.

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  10. different strokes by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some people make tiny rice-sized probes to look at someone's insides while others simply go the Goatse route...

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  11. Bloodstream? by Bellum+Aeternus · · Score: 1

    Without having read TFA (hey, this is slashdot) I assume this is for passing through a person's digestive system and not their bloodstream because getting a something the size of a piece of rice caught in the right place is like having a stroke, a heart attack, or other unhappy circulatory problems; and since I doubt it carries enough power to navigate it'd be pretty tough to keep it out of vital organs.

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    1. Re:Bloodstream? by Jaidan · · Score: 2, Informative

      It will be attached to the end of a "wire like endoscope" So no it's navigation won't be so much of a problem...They go so far as to say they will by able to pass it up into blood vessels in the brain to measure blood flow. Kinda weird, I would be bothered by the idea of a wire in my brain.

    2. Re:Bloodstream? by MentlFlos · · Score: 1

      I would be bothered by the idea of a wire in my brain.
      You won't be bothered for very long if it breaks.
  12. They still can't do this? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

    I interviewed with a doctor at Northwestern University Hospital in 1989 or so for an ultrasonic catheter to look at plaques/heart valves and such. There was come California based company who had the hardware, but not mush software, hence my interview.

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    1. Re:They still can't do this? by butterwise · · Score: 1

      I hope your typing is not a reflection on your programming.

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    2. Re:They still can't do this? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 1

      What? You've never written mush software?

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  13. Colonoscopies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those of you of colonoscopy age... I asked my doctor if he could do my last two colonoscopies using only the pain-killer fentanyl, and omitting Versed (midolazam). The latter is a sedative and muscle-relaxant, but it induces drowsiness and often produces retrograde amnesia, i.e. you are conscious and awake but afterwards don't remember what happened.

    I'm glad I did. I did not experience any serious pain; at two points, presumably when going around corners, I felt something like a bad gas pain lasting only a couple of seconds. I found it fascinating seeing what the inside of my gut looked like, very different from what I expected, and very reminiscent of "Fantastic Voyage" for those who remember that film.

    They had two flat TV monitors suspended from the ceiling, one for the doctor and one for the nurse, and it was very easy for the patient (me) to watch as well. The images were much sharper and detailed than I expected.

    It's something to consider, assuming you're not creeped out by the very idea of the colonoscopy in itself.

  14. Yes, it goes in the blood stream by MrMunkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    People... the only thing that is different about this than other instruments already in use today is that it can view in more than one direction simultaneously. How do you think an angiogram is performed? They stick the think in through the artery in your leg, and fish it up to the spot where the blockage is. Sure, it sounds scary, but it's done every day. I think this is a great improvement to help doctors.

    1. Re:Yes, it goes in the blood stream by Laughing+Pigeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, some liquid which shows up on X-ray is put into the artery through the catheter, the catheter does not have to be shifted up to the location of the blockage/. On the photograph one will see where it gets narrow, the black line produced by the contrast fluid gets thinner.

  15. Size of a rice grain? by ShiningSomething · · Score: 1

    What sort of rice is one millimeter across and one millimeter long? Something got lost when going from Imperial to Metric...

  16. aneurysm much? by cpt.hugenstein · · Score: 1

    Is this not what an aneurysm is? I can see it now. We appear to be loosing signal; it has gone to far we can not stop the sensor. Patient colapses.

    1. Re:aneurysm much? by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Aneurysm: n. - the result of reading your post.

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  17. Pictures not in the article... by CatsupBoy · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...but I found some here: http://goatse.cz/

  18. angioplasty by Bazman · · Score: 1

    Angioplasty is where they stick things in your veins in order to sort them out.

    A colleague of mine had a heart problem with a thin wall between two of the chambers causing oxygenated and de-oxygenated blood to mix. These things aren't uncommon and many people live with it without problem. However this guy is a scuba diver, and these heart problems can be dangerous. His doctor said 'stop diving'.

      He called for a second opinion, and discovered that they can stick a cylindrical probe up your femoral artery, navigate it into your heart and expand it flat onto the heart wall, then the heart muscle will grow around it, sealing the hole. So he went through with the procedure, purely so he could carry on scuba diving, which he now does pretty much every weekend, and from seeing his photographs I can understand why (and I wish I lived somewhere I could go diving every weekend in clear water without a dry suit).

    1. Re:angioplasty by MrMunkey · · Score: 1

      Correct. That's what I meant. Next time I'll check my facts before submitting :)

  19. Patents and Inventions by EvilGrin5000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ---begin sarcastic comment---

    Isn't there someone that holds the "Origami Hexagon Fold" Patent that is going to sue them?

    How about someone holding the "Using waves to view internal organs in a human body" Patent?

    Or maybe the "Etching of ultrasound emitting device on silicon wafers" patent?

    ---end sarcastic comment---

    Seriously,

    if this invention grows to be used in humans, it will really provide some serious insights on disease prevention and diagnosis. I just hope that the patent morons don't destroy another inventive design much like they did with poor Vonage.

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  20. Pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This thread is useless without pics.

  21. More tags by M0nk-e · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Please add whywhyfamily.

  22. Evolutionary, not revolutionary, development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intravascular ultrasound (IVUS) has been around for a while. You enter the arterial system via the femoral artery in the groin, and direct your catheter around the vascular tree using fluoroscopy (x-rays). A circumferential ultrasound transducer on the end of a catheter gives you a 360 degree view around the vessel. (Looks just like the view you get with the endorectal probe they use to image the prostate, just a lot smaller.) The advantage of this new catheter seems to be that it can look in front as well as circumferentially.

    These are mostly used by cardiologists in the heart, although interventional radiologists can use them as well. (I'm a radiologist, although I haven't had the chance to use one of these yet.)

    Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IVUS) actually has a pretty good review of the technology. Boston Scientific's web site hawks their catheters in the "Interventional Cardiology" section.

  23. where are the goatse jokes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they're lame. But they're expected. The headline demands a goatse reference, just as much as mentioning anything related to a line in a Monty Python skit (or Simpsons, Futurama, etc), demands that someone uncreatively post a transcript and score automatic funny mods.

  24. how do they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get it out? obviously this thing can't be left to run wild or else it will just plug an artery... do they leave a little string attached?

  25. So what? by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 1

    The porn industry has been doing this kind of stuff for years.

  26. Can it be.. by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    .. used on Uranus :)?
    Can't resist.

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  27. First Mission by PPH · · Score: 1

    Go looking for all that gum I swallowed when I was a kid.

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  28. I know what to call it! by PhotoGuy · · Score: 1

    It's kind of an "inside scan sonar!"

    Thank you, thank you... I'm here all week... Be sure to try out the buffet!

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  29. Amnesia would be an advantage though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not of colonoscopy age yet (and am hoping by the time I am they can do it non invasively!) But I have to say that taking a drug that would cause me to not remember the experience would sound like a good thing to me, if it is as unpleasant as I understand it to be!

    1. Re:Amnesia would be an advantage though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what gave you the idea that it's very unpleasant. It's not as bad as a flexible sigmoidoscopy, and people a little older than me tell me that a flexible sigmoidoscopy is nowhere near as bad as a proctoscopy was.

      I'm sure there are enormous personal variations, and in the case of a colonoscopy I'm sure some people find the idea very disturbing. But, on a pain and unpleasantness scale of 0 to 10 I personally would say:

      Wisdom tooth extraction: 6
      Migraine headache: 5
      Knee in groin: 5
      Vasectomy, on the day afterwards: 4
      Barked shin: 4
      Really bad gas pains: 4
      Flexible sigmoidoscopy (predecessor to colonoscopy): 3
      Digital rectal exam: 2
      "Turn your head and cough:" 2
      Blood donation: 2
      Colonoscopy: 1.5
      Flu shot: 1
      EKG: 0

  30. Nice pictures, but.... by DrYak · · Score: 1

    YES that thing can do nice US and/or Doppler pictures from the other side of the skull (from inside, were the interesting blood vessels are).

    The question that I ask is :
    How are you going to avoid it clogging terminal arteries ?

    They speak about injecting it to analyse the blood vessels in the brain. The problem is that, higher than the base of the skull the arteries are of the terminal type (ie.: every artery only leads to smaller vessels that feed the brain cells. no artery is inter-connected with other arteries. There's no more redundancy past the base of the skull). Thus if the thing gets stuck (and it will because the vessels are getting progressively smaller until they reach the size of a red cell), everything downstream on the vessel will be cut out from blood supplies.

    What's their plan ? Attaching it at the tip of a catheter ?

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  31. Working Title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Diarrhea in Cinerama

  32. size does matter ! by meeya · · Score: 1

    isn't there a risk that this thing might block an artery? and paralyze or kill you?

    1. Re:size does matter ! by Chili-71 · · Score: 1

      isn't there a risk that this thing might block an artery? and paralyze or kill you? Most likely, yes. But you must sign a release form at the hospital absolving them of any wrong doing should something go wrong. They are putting your life and health at risk, but heaven forbid they should be responsible for anything.