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How the BSA Squeezes the Little Guys

netbuzz writes "Actually, 90% of the Business Software Alliance's revenue is squeezed from small businesses accused of using unlicensed software. A lawyer who represents some of them says his clients often suspect that it was the IT guy who just left — and was responsible for maintaining the licenses — who ratted them out for a big BSA reward."

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  1. Thanks by niceone · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would like to thank editors for giving us all another chance at first post on this story. I missed it a few hours ago - wish me luck this time!

    1. Re:Thanks by seebs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Zonk's really improving. He used to post dups days or even weeks after CmdrTaco posted them. Today, he posted the dup several hours BEFORE CmdrTaco did!

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    2. Re:Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Too many inappropriate Boy Scout jokes come to mind from the title of this post.

    3. Re:Thanks by XopherMV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. When are the Boy Scouts of America going to sue the Business Software Alliance for trademark infringement over the use of "BSA"? The Boy Scouts of America have been around since 1910. The Business Software Alliance has been around since what, the mid-1990's? Talk about a hypocritical and clear-cut case of trademark infringement.

    4. Re:Thanks by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Funny

      It won't be infringement unless the software guys copy the Boy Scouts' core activities:

      -Hanging out in all-male groups.
      -Dressing up in matching outfits.
      -Doing arts & crafts projects.
      -Being rewarded with jewelry.
      -Excluding gays.

      rj

  2. This is News? by Charred+Shaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought that this has always been the BSA's standard business model.

  3. Other Reasons... by pwnies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The BSA contends that small businesses are most often targeted because small businesses most often use unlicensed software. But of course it's not the fact that the small businesses don't have a legal team. That wouldn't have anything to do with it.
    1. Re:Other Reasons... by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're seriously overestimating the ease of the software licence world.

      This is not a world of 'One Disc, One Key.' This is a world of volume licencing, OEM licencing, per user/per device/per server licencing, student licencing, licencing servers, terminal servers. Some licencing agreements let you use a copy of a program at home that you use at work.

      That OEM copy of Office that came with your Dell? Well, you can't put that on another system if you get rid of that old Dell. That's not exactly common knowledge, nor is it out in the open; it's buried in the EULA.

      When you have companies who's sole purpose is to keep track of licences, there's something dreadfully wrong with the current system.

    2. Re:Other Reasons... by jc42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      That OEM copy of Office that came with your Dell? Well, you can't put that on another system if you get rid of that old Dell. That's not exactly common knowledge, nor is it out in the open; it's buried in the EULA.

      This is a problem that's fairly widely known among charitable organizations. People often offer to donate computers to them, thinking that it's a valuable donation. But if it's a Microsoft system, such a donation only covers the hardware. You can't legally donate the software. If the charitable organization doesn't purchase their own copy of the software, wipe the disk, and reinstall their legal copy, they are in volation and can be victimized by the BSA or the software companies. And they'd better save all the receipts, because otherwise any software found on their disks will be assumed illegal.

      I know of a number of organizations that have a policy of wiping contributed disks and installing linux (usually Red Hat, but Ubuntu is getting popular). But many don't, and are using the software that came with the hardware. If you're involved with a charitable organization, you might check into this, and try to explain to them the dangers of using software from Microsoft or other such corporations. The best approach might be to ask them if they can show you their receipts for every proprietary program on their disks. If not, they're risking being hauled into court and fined a lot of money.

      Has anyone here been involved with a charitable organization that has dealt with this? It might be interesting to hear your story.

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    3. Re:Other Reasons... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2, Funny

      And they'd better save all the receipts, because otherwise any software found on their disks will be assumed illegal.
      Guilty until proven innocent? What a novel legal concept!!! You ought to patent that, there's potential for billions there!!!
    4. Re:Other Reasons... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      exactly, the whole thing is legal hostage taking if you ask me. Like you said, even with a straight business Dell with OEM office installed and the machine stickered properly, it's still not "enough" for the BSA if you donate it! The OEM licenses are transferable with the exact hardware, but if the next person doesn't have the actual bill of sale and paid receipt for that computer it's not "legally" been transfered. How likely are you to give out the paid receipt with your CC# on it as well as a letter of transfer to some charity? Businesses have all sorts of onerous restrictions they don't enforce (but are still in the EULA) for consumer customers. So even though charities get legally licensed machines, they still have to pay more.

    5. Re:Other Reasons... by CaptainDefragged · · Score: 3, Informative

      I had a customer a few years back, which was a non profit organisation. The director just rang up Microsoft and they sent her a big box containing 5x Windows XP Pro, 5x Office Professional, Windows 2000 SBS and various other goodies. No charge. YMMV, but it appears that Microsoft has a no cost licencing program for non profit organisations and charities. All that is required is for the organisation to ask.

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  4. Sure, blame the IT guy by winkydink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My experience with small/medium businesses has been that the CEO/CFO don't want to spend the bucks necessary to get everybody legal and the poor IT guy gets stuck having to ignore the problem or find a new job. To the defense of C-level guys, I did work for one 1000-person company that had a very ethical CFO who insisted on being compliant. The exception that proves the rule, I guess.

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    1. Re:Sure, blame the IT guy by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, the phrase makes perfect sense, but only if you know that one of the older meanings of "prove" is "to test". See, for example, here, but a quick Google will turn up plenty more results.


      This is a common popular etymology, but its wrong. The phrase is a maxim of legal interpretation and means exactly what the words in their common, current english uses suggest: the existence of an exception demonstrates the existence of a more general, contrary, rule that applies in cases outside of the exception. Particularly, it refers to the idea that when something is expressly prohibited in certain cases (the exception) this establishes that it is allowed in all cases not prohibited (the rule "proved" by the exception.)

      Of course, the application of it to examples like the one here has nothing to do with its original legal sense, and arguably really don't have anything to do with any real sense of "proving" the rule, whether "testing" or "demonstrating". Its just become a common thing to say when you point out an exception at the same time as a proposed general rule but want people not to discount the rule based on the exception that you are mentioning.
    2. Re:Sure, blame the IT guy by asuffield · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My experience with small/medium businesses has been that the CEO/CFO don't want to spend the bucks necessary to get everybody legal and the poor IT guy gets stuck having to ignore the problem or find a new job.


      About once every two months, our director comes to me saying that he wants MS Office installed on some box or other, and I quote him the current list price for it (£320, last I checked). He says that he's already got a copy. I tell him that you have to buy one copy per box. He says that he's got an old copy that didn't have that restriction. I tell him that the rule has always been there, and the only thing that's changed is that the new versions have the silly "activation" nonsense added. He says he never knew that.

      Two months later, we do this again. Bizarre.
  5. What a surprise! by Tim+Ward · · Score: 3, Funny

    A lawyer who represents some of them says his clients often suspect that it was the IT guy who just left -- and was responsible for the maintaining the licenses -- who ratted them out for a big BSA reward.

    (1) BOFH tells bosses they really should pay up for legal licences.

    (2) Bosses tell BOFH to make illegal copies.

    (3) Repeat a few times.

    (4) BOFH gives up and finds another job.

    (5) BOFH shops former bosses.

    If this is a surprise to bosses who instruct BOFHs to make illegal copies of things then really it's amazing how they're bright enough to stay in business!

    1. Re:What a surprise! by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have you read BOFH? No way it happens like that.

      (1) BOFH tells bosses they really should pay up for legal licences.

      (2) BOFH bosses agree and cut a cheqeue

      (3) BOFH and PFY book junket to Las Vegas trade show to look into problem, fudge purchasing system to make it look like bosses bought new company cars, hookers and ski trips

      (4) Repeat a few times

      (5) Bosses ask why their computers appear to be empty cardboard boxes

      (6) BOFH rats out company to BSA

      (7) Corporate executives go to jail and pay fines since paper trail says BOFH has been asking for licenses for non-compliant management

      (8) New boss gets hired

      (9) BOFH tells bosses they really should pay up for legal licenses since last bosses wouldn't

      Repeat the whole process.

      This the the BOFH -- if there's no embezzlement happening, and if he's not blaming it on someone else, it's a non-story. :-P

      Cheers

      PS - now, for a normal IT person with a desire to do well, your scenario might be applicable. =)

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  6. IT guys not eligible for reward ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "... his clients often suspect that it was the IT guy who just left -- and was responsible for the maintaining the licenses -- who ratted them out for a big BSA reward ..."

    People responsible for licenses in some manner are not eligible for the reward. IT guys doing this are disgruntled and just trying to "get even".

    Keep in mind that small business was not chosen merely because they have fewer resourced available to defend themselves, but they were also the worst offenders. Betting that their size would keep them under the radar of Microsoft, Word Perfect, Lotus, Borland, etc back in the day. I'm not defending the BSA's actions, but their targeting is not entirely devoid of reason.

    1. Re:IT guys not eligible for reward ... by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I'm sure there's quite a few speculating in that, small businesses also rarely have that much license management in place. If you're the kind that bought one odd PC here and one there because a new guy was hired then they rarely go into the huge asset and license management that bigger companys have. Your assets are what's in the office, and your licenses are whatever's on them. Once you start moving past that level and have PCs bought in bulk by a purchasing department (or even just one guy responsible), a lot more of the paperwork tends to get done and the reciepts properly filed. From what experience I have had, I think almost all small businesses would be burned by a BSA audit, whether they were actually legit or not.

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    2. Re:IT guys not eligible for reward ... by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The person reporting the violation is eligible for the reward, it's not tied to position. The reason these small businesses are LYING is to cover their own butts. The IT guy said "you need X licenses" and the owner said "just install the same copy on every machine." The reason this happens ALL THE TIME is because the same owner who bullies his computer guy into pirating Photoshop on all their machines is a jerk about a LOT of things, which gets him reported in retaliation after he alienates his staff into quitting. I have seen it numerous times, and they were always reported by a disgruntled ex-employee. Instead of whining about it, they should BUY their software like the rest of us. I have seen this happen on numerous occasions, and I should note that I have never seen a business get fined or sued. They get sent a nastygram, requiring X number of days to prove compliance. The business hurriedly buys the required licenses, proves they are in compliance, and nothing more happens. Ultimately, they just want people to pay for their software.

    3. Re:IT guys not eligible for reward ... by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The IT guy said "you need X licenses" and the owner said "just install the same copy on every machine."

      Here, it was "I need X licenses." The owner said "OK, just submit a work order." The IT guy thought it was easier to just illegally copy software than actually get the stuff approved, so he never officially asked for it. Then, when he left, he called the BSA and we paid fines. He's the one that coppied programs without permission. He lied to the owners that were happy to do the right thing. Now all computers have tracking software and must be left on all night for the midnight scans of all company hard drives. And if you are in IT and are ordered to do something illegal, you are a criminal if you do it. Period. Doing it then turning them in doesn't make you not a criminal. Telling them to send you the request in writing so you can document it will either get you something to report them before it happens (or get you a large settlement if you are fired for not doing it) or they will be unwilling to write it out and tell you to do what's legal. I know IT people that pirate Acrobat because explaining the free PDF writers is more trouble than just stealing, and they don't tell anyone what they did. The IT people are usually the cause, not the innocent saps caught in the middle. I've never seen anyone ordered to pirate software, but I've seen numerous companies do it after the IT person offered it as a solution or did it without telling anyone.

    4. Re:IT guys not eligible for reward ... by rtechie · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only reason they target the small businesses is because they can't defend themselves, period. Large businesses are generally MUCH worse offenders, but they are MUCH more likely to defend themselves with lawyers because it's more cost-effective.

      Another point is that flexible license terms and the tools needed to manage licenses are often only made available to large businesses. Large businesses can get "site licenses" so they don't have to track individual licenses. They are often given the software or other tools needed to manage licenses that small businesses must pay for. They are also far more likely to have the manpower necessary to devote time to license management. Software vendors, especially at the small-business level, often try to double-bill on licenses as well.

    5. Re:IT guys not eligible for reward ... by alan_dershowitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The last few places I have worked, people have been fired by having their "position removed." This is what happened to him. Then less than a year later there is a restructuring and the position comes back under a different name. Now you know. Those laws might help if you have money or time, or you still might lose. However, you are trying to make it look like there is a power balance between employer and employee, and there is not. There is redress, but it is extremely hard to make it stick, and even harder to not come out looking like a pariah to other employers.

  7. Basic psychology by ErikZ · · Score: 4, Insightful


    When when you skimp on salaries, make a hostile workplace, and generally make life hell, don't be surprised when your employees (or ex-employees) are not looking out for your best interest.

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    1. Re:Basic psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sorry, I'm a coward in this post. I ratted out a former employer to the BSA. A dotted line manager (who was also a V.P.) was making my life a living hell when I left. Watching him hire college students so they could buy educational versions of software for the company was the source of my sweet revenge.

  8. I.T. guys fault? I don't tihnk so. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Infinitely more likely it was the poor I.T. guy, denied access to funds to legitimise the software in the company, and unable to do anything about it with the threat of no job over his head, who finally either found a way out, or was creatively dismissed, and is now either being scape-goated, or maybe he was that pissed off he really did turn them in.

    I don't believe for a second the company wouldn't know if large amounts of their software wasn't paid for. It's very common for small time I.T. guys to be, for example, pressured into installing the same software multiple times on machines, with no corresponding license, they may even be told by the boss that it's fully licensed, but you can bet your ass the boss wont take the blame if anything happens.

    Any I.T. guy with even the tiniest clue would purchase all software if given the ability, and wouldn't risk his career on installing unlicensed software unless they were pressured into doing, most likely with thought of losing their job.

    It's one of the biggest reasons more and more places has under qualified I.T. staff.
    The qualified ones don't want the crappy pressure laden jobs, or aren't offered them as they'll be more picky about licensing.
    The under qualified ones will take the job, but then feel stuck in the belief they can't get much better, and won't be able to afford the cost or time of further training.

    I've seen it happen a lot, despite knowing the problem in advance it ended up happening to me after, and I still keep seeing it today after getting the hell out as my advice was simply never taken, despite it being what I'd been employed for. It was the subject of a slashdot article years back when I was stuck in a job-from-hell too.

    I'd imagine something vaguely similar (but not likely to do with legitimate software, just general I.T. problems) has contributed to the UK's recent data protection issues too.

    1. Re:I.T. guys fault? I don't tihnk so. by rtechie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You absolutely positively have to hire a lawyer (well, not really, but you should) - if you get audited. You hit part of the nail on the head. The trick of dealing with audits is to NOT deal with them.

      Never, ever, ever, agree to an audit by the BSA under any circumstances. It's the same as admitting liability. If they threaten you, hire a lawyer and threaten them back. Increasing the cost of the audit keeps it from being profitable and eventually they back off. If you keep stalling, you can drag the process out for years.

  9. Exactly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I went thru three different employers where upper management *ORDERED* the IT guys to install the same copy of MS Office on all computers in the building. At the last job, I snagged an email off the server where the CEO was discussing the issue with his CFO and basically said that if they ever got caught they would feign ignorance and lay the blame on the IT guys "doing stuff behind their backs" and installing software without their executive permission. This was a few years ago, about the same time that the BSA started running radio advertisements and putting up billboards all over the Dallas/Fort Worth area to get employees to turn in their bosses for software piracy. I left that job as fast as I could, and now work in IT for a small city government near the D/FW metroplex where our own police department is now the ones who are so eager to pirate software.

    *Sigh* It never ends.

  10. How does the BSA by jasen666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    force a company to allow an audit or "investigation"?
    What do they do when a small business owner says, "I use strictly Linux on my computers, no, you can't come in and look around, go pound sand."

    1. Re:How does the BSA by malraid · · Score: 3, Informative

      They can't force you to have an audit (unless you signed a contract). They can submit the case to the police and the have them investigate. They can then raid the office and check your licensing. If you are 100% linux, then the case gets dropped. The BSA is just a proxy to sue people, so in case you sue back, you can't hurt the ones that are actually trying to extort you. Same as RIAA, MIAA, etc. Can they knock on your door and say "we want to audit you" ... Yes, but you can refuse.

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    2. Re:How does the BSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know someone that was audited by the BSA and decided to fight it. Basically they countered by stating they wanted full disclosure of who reported them so as to determine the validity of the claim prior to wasting internal resources and dollars.

      They also argued that the reporting tools are a violation of privacy. Yes, they expected them to place some software on their network which scans their entire network not to mention each machine's registry.

      Third, they also argued that even if they were in violation of license, the license is between them and the vendor (after all, the license does not allow for the BSA as having legal proxy interests) and unless the vendor in questions decides that they'd like to personally pursue the issue, the BSA does not have legal authority or the legal grounds to pursue the action.

      Furthermore, they argued that even if something odd was discovered and they lost, only the government has the right to impose fines on legal matters as such and they would be within their legal rights to simply purchase any outstanding licenses or settle directly with the vendor in question and completely dismiss the BSA altogether thereby eliminating the need to pay any fines or added fees.

    3. Re:How does the BSA by jasen666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't they need to have some kind of proof of wrongdoing for the police to get involved? Especially since software licensing is a civil matter.

      I was trying to google a story/example of a company who fought against an audit, and what happened, but come up empty.

    4. Re:How does the BSA by jimlintott · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How did that work out for them?

    5. Re:How does the BSA by FellowConspirator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While you're generally correct, the third item is not correct. The BSA is a duly designated representative of the copyright holders with power of attorney to prosecute infringement claims. So, that part is perfectly legitimate (under US law, anyway). It's no different than hiring a private law firm to do the same thing.

      Also, the BSA doesn't impose fines. The propose settlements (as they are empowered to do by their member companies). Again, this is as legitimate in the USA. In the USA, if there was a copyright infringement, the law permits the copyright holder to seek statutory damages up to $150,000 per incident. They are not obligated to license the software to you, and purchasing a license wouldn't absolve or indemnify the infringer with regard to the prior infringement.

      The argument that you could ignore the BSA on the grounds that it isn't the copyright holder is baseless, because the BSA is a valid agent of the copyright holder.

      The argument that you could simply come into compliance and that would eliminate any liability for prior infringement is also incorrect. The liability remains until it's legally settled -- either by out-of-court settlement or as the result of going to court (which could incur much higher costs and damages).

      Also, I'd point out that users of software from BSA-affiliated companies generally agree as part of the license to submit to audits on demand as a condition of the license.

      Using proprietary commercial software is a huge legal and fiscal liability for a company. If the company cannot devote sufficient resources to dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's to be 100% certain it's compliant, it probably shouldn't touch the stuff. Clearly, certain software will be necessary for certain businesses, but it behooves those companies to familiarize themselves with the issue and absorb the costs as part of the cost of doing business.

    6. Re:How does the BSA by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Police need evidence of wrongdoing to begin an investiation; however, it is the purpose of the investigation to determine if there is sufficient evidence to constitute proof.

      I think the point you were trying to make is that if the BSA files a complaint and it turns out there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim, the BSA should be held in contempt.

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  11. Bigger point by Colin420 · · Score: 2

    I think this brings up a bigger point or perhaps a few. I don't argue for a second that most the reports might be from employees who just left the company. But what I don't agree with is the person themselves didn't keep the licenses up to date. They might have been responsible on paper but did they have the budget, process and resources to do it, this is the key question. I've seen it more times than I wish to recall that a new project or new employee is brought on board and the IT person has only a couple of hours to get them setup. No time for new keys and no budget for this new persons IT resources. If at the start of the year I'm told I need 100 licenses for a piece of software I'll get it. If half way though the year the company expands and we now need 200 I can almost say for certain in most companies I've worked in (small companies) they will not give me the budget for the extra 100 and the IT department will have to cut costs somewhere else or just not buy. It might even been why the employee left the company in the first place and why they are ratting on their old company. Seams like a perfect payback to a poorly managed company.

  12. Re:Not many opportunities while employed by cfulmer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem though is that the BSA's standards can catch even companies that are completely above-board, but haven't kept their receipts. The BSA's claim is that "If you don't have your receipt for this software, then it's pirated."

    Now, whether that would stand up in court is a separate question. It seems to me that if you have a retail box for every piece of software, that should be good enough to convince a jury. Of course, the cynic says that the BSA is going after small companies because they're much less likely to fight, so what a jury would think isn't really an issue.

  13. Thanks for pointing THAT out. by conureman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think I need to go out to the garden for a while.

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  14. Hmmm... by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wouldn't it be cool if some disgruntled worker gets fired from the BSA and then turns around and rats the BSA out to the BSA? He'd have to get a reward, and the BSA would have to charge itself a hefty fine.

  15. I remember the BSA from the old shareware times.. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shareware was made by programmers when the terms "open source" or "free/libre software" were unknown. There was no such thing as the Internet, or e-mail. Programmers coded for a living, and sold programs for a living. I remember the times where all PC computers were 386, ran MS-DOS, had 32MBytes of RAM. Programming was mostly considered a hobby except for large enterprises (i.e. Lotus, Borland, Microsoft, and such). Most hobbyists didn't pay for programming languages - they were pirated because they were too expensive.

    You logged into BBS's whose phone numbers you found on specialized magazines. Meetings were held with the 5 or 10 people in your area, and paid-for software was seen as a valuable treasure. Owners of that software would share it with their friends, and the original discs were treated as some kind of ancient artifact which belonged in a museum.

    That's how you learned to program back then. You pirated the language, and eventually you began producing stuff worth selling. Then you bought your first legitimate copy of the language.

    That's how things were done those days. It was rough, primitive, but fun at the same time. It was the way of the Old West.

    In the files sections, you downloaded all these utility programs (hard disk optimizers, text editors, quit-smoking organizers and such) that expired in around 30 days, and you could register them for 5 or 20 bucks. It was cheap, and reasonable.

    These small-scale programmers were defenseless against crackers and pirates, who didn't retribute them for their effort. So they turned to the BSA to help them punish the thieves who just stole their software.

    It was how business was done back then. Getting organized at a national level to make good software for free was unthinkable. You had to charge for your code, and it was OK. To program, you had to actually buy software. I remember how expensive was to purchase a copy of Borland/C++ or Turbo Pascal (with Turbo Vision!) so you could make decent programs. It may sound like heresy in the G++ times of today, but that's how it was.

    It was rough, primitive, but fun at the same time. It was the way of the Old West.

    But times have changed.

    We have GNU and the Free Software/Open Source licenses now - and software is being developed by teams of independent programmers working for a common goal: Freedom (I'm relatively new to GNU/Linux, and I was awed at the amount of Free/Libre Open Source Software for Linux). I compare my GNU/Linux box to my close friends' windows boxes - often filled with "freeware" and paid-for/cracked shareware developed in Visual Basic most of the time, and I can't even start to describe the difference. It's all chaotic and primitive in the Windows world.

    When I go to a webpage and see a Windows app for say, transferring your ipod files to your computer, or ripping/burning a CD, I see the price tag and think: "Are they kidding me? They charge for THIS STUFF?"

    The BSA and old software business models (just like the RIAA and MPAA's) are going the way of the dodo bird. They have no place in the open world of today.

  16. Reminds me of Ernie Ball by StressGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

    They are a manufacturer of guitar strings. I seem to recall an article (perhaps even posted to /.) about them getting stung by the BSA. The responded by deploying Linux and going to open source software.

    As I recall, it worked out well for them.

    Then again, perhaps I should take the time and google "Ernie Ball" and see if my memory is correct ;)

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  17. So enforcing the law is now bad right? by cliffski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How is prosecuting people for stealing your software 'extortion'?
    This is taking the slashdot pro-piracy meme too far. I run a (one man) company, I use legit software. It can cost a lot, but you weigh up the pros and cons and you buy it. Poser cost me $600 plus maybe another $300 of add ons. Its the cost of doing business. It's no different to paying for the desk, my PC, the heater in my home office or the phone bill.

    I have zero sympathy for small businesses that would try and undercut me by stealing software. Fuck em. let them be prosecuted. It's not like people really do not realise that photoshop or visual studio isn't freeware.

    I'm all for slashdot readers posting about how companies should use open source free software so they don't have to deal with this, but how can you defend people who KNOW there are free alternatives, but decide to steal a copy of an office suite anyway...

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    1. Re:So enforcing the law is now bad right? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So how is it piracy to buy a computer with Windows included from a major vendor like Dell or HP and not have a receipt with Windows broken out as a seperate line-item? How is it piracy to cut a check so the IT guy can run down and buy an emergency replacement PC in a hurry and have the receipt have his name on the top and not the company's? Both of those are piracy by the BSA's definition (the company can't produce a receipt in their name showing payment for Windows).

    2. Re:So enforcing the law is now bad right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've dealt with the BSA first-hand. I worked at a small company of 20 people, we were ALL compliant. BSA sends a blanket letter to small companies saying "Prove you are compliant or feel our wrath. Or just go ahead and settle for $15,000 and we will call it even.". So we gather all the paper work and send it to them. Next they say "We still don't think you're compliant. Buy our $5000 software, run on all your machines to prove otherwise.".

      How do I know it's a blanket letter? 3 other companies on our street also got it. This was back in 2001.

    3. Re:So enforcing the law is now bad right? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably not. What they want to see is an item showing the amount you paid for your Windows license, to prove you really did pay for it. If you didn't pay for it, or can't show where you paid for it, you didn't pay for it in their eyes. You may be able to argue, but you'll probably have to do the arguing in court and at that point the cost means you've lost even if you win.

      That hologram sticker means absolutely nothing in the context of paying for the license. It's necessary in that it's proof that that particular copy is genuine and not a counterfeit or illegally-produced copy, but on it's own it's not sufficient to prove you've a legal right to that copy. And the receipt is necessary but not sufficient: it proves you paid for a license but doesn't prove the copy you're running is a legal copy. You need both of them together, proof that your copy is genuine and legal and proof that you paid for your license to run it.

  18. Re:Come back with a warrant! by boxless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Absolutely correct!!

    I've always told my guys if ever asked to perform and audit, of IF someone ever shows up at the door, NEVER allow it. NEVER allow the guy into the building without a court order. I think that's still legit in the US (GWB may have stopped this, I'm not sure, because it's classified).

    While not technically BSA-related, my company gets calls regularly (twice a year) from big software companies asking us to do an audit. I politely decline. Then I tell them we are covered under our parent company's volume agreement, and the phone practically goes dead on the other end. These are sales-initiated calls. Once they realize they won't get any money, they move on, just like a telemarketer.

  19. Re:Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I will not mod parent up. I think the /. moderation system is wrong and only leads to the dysfunctional and judging society that we all live in today. Everyone accepting each others posts at +5 insightful is paramount to the utopian world we all long for...... ;)

  20. Re:Not many opportunities while employed by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Receipts aren't always what they're looking for, but they can help. For Microsoft applications and system software, they're often looking for the Microsoft 'Certificate of Authenticity' with the hologram on it. Only small businesses, many of which use whitebox PCs, often don't save their CoA's because no one told them to.

    Anyway, small-to-medium businesses are easily the most likely to pirate software internally because they often don't have the budget for doing software audits and the like. Plus, in order to get a project out quickly, many small firms with tight budgets will pirate a copy of mission critical applications, with the idea that they'll buy the license later, when the project pays out. Unfortunately, they also usually forget to buy the license later, and personnel go on using the pirated software and become reliant on it -- and this happens in large part because they don't have the budget for doing software audits or license management!

    If anyone's looking for a killer business idea, it's this: start a company that just does license management for small businesses. Sell the services in a high-volume, low cost subscription model that lets small businesses pay a small fee every month, say $20-30 in addition to the cost of software, to manage their license portfolio. IOW, provide enterprise-level software portfolio support ala Software Spectrum, at a small business price. Hire some guys from India or down South to do customer support and watch the revenue trickle in.

  21. Whew, BSA != "Boy Scouts of America" by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Funny

    "How the BSA Squeezes the Little Guys"

    For a second I thought the title of this article was very, very disturbing.

  22. Re:I call BS by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you would like to conflate records necessary for tax purposes with just general "justification of ownership".

    That's such a wonderful world you live in there.

    You keep the tax records because you will be making claims about them. What is the justification for keeping reciepts for every single thing you've ever purchased (even if you are a business) again?

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  23. Re:Odd that M$ also posted blowout profits last Q? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but as far as your Apple upgrading is concerned, explain to me why I can buy a gen 1 Zune and upgrade it for free to use gen 2 firmware (opening up wifi access and getting all the normal goodies) but I can't get the latest firmware on my 5th gen 30GB iPod. I'll do that. Just as soon as you explain to me why I can't install 64 bit windows on my 32 bit Pentium 4. The hardware is different you fucking retard. God damn, slashdot is so full of doubleniggers that should go climb a wall of cocks these days.
  24. Re:I call BS by rtechie · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try finding the receipt for the energy-efficient windows you put in your house 10 years ago or the receipt for the air conditioner you put in 15 years ago so that the IRS won't bitch-slap you for claiming an adjusted basis so you can pay lower taxes when you sell your house ... most people don't have any problem managing those receipts, do they? And it WOULD be a big hassle if you actually needed the receipts to get the tax adjustments. You don't. You can report this based on the printed manufacturing date on the device (if it was made in 2001 you probably bought it in that year).

    No, the only real problem is that most businesses don't really expect to ever have to go through an impartial software license audit so they play fast and loose with licenses under the theory that if software companies really cared about license compliance then the software wouldn't let them do anything wrong Virtually every business plays fast and loose with accounting because they have little incentive not to do so. I blame the federal government for not bothering to enforce the law.

    It's not hard to come out of an impartial software license audit smelling like roses If there were such a thing as an impartial audit, I'd agree with you. There is not. A software audit is an INVESTMENT in the eyes of the BSA. They are spending money to audit X business with the hope of squeezing additional revenue out of X business. They are not trying to be 'fair', they are trying to get as much money as possible. I have never even heard of a BS audit where the BSA didn't try to claim at least 2X or 3X in fees that what was actually due them. I have never heard of a single company that "passed" a BSA audit without having to pay money to the BSA, my understanding is that they charge you for the audit itself even if you ate 110% complaint. The only 'exception' I can think of to this is a company that signed up for some sort of "insurance" against audits from the BSA, which they bought from the BSA.

  25. Re:I remember the BSA from the old shareware times by chrisjwray · · Score: 2, Informative

    "all PC computers were 386, ran MS-DOS, had 32MBytes of RAM"

    Thats one hell of a lot of RAM for a 386...

  26. That happened to me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was ordered to copy the OPERATING SYSTEM to all computers in our office.

    I sure hope Linus Torvalds isn't a BSA member. We'd be so screwed!

  27. The dirty little secret about the BSA by kilodelta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Six years ago I was the I.T. Director for a manufacturing firm. I had numerous arguments with the company president about software licensing and how we were dancing on the edge of disaster. I finally left in disgust.

    Once I'd left I contact the BSA and told them what I knew. A few days after my first contact they called me and told me they weren't going to pursue. The reason they weren't going to pursue is because the company was on shaky financial ground.

    So if you're going to pirate, make sure you're financially unstable.

  28. I enjoy nostalgia as much as the next guy... by darken9999 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to nitpick, but I owned Turbo C++ and Turbo Pascal. They were about $100-130 each. Sure, most computer programs were $30-40, but it still wasn't that expensive.

    And 386s with 32MB of RAM? Maybe there were some, but they hardly grew on trees. Christ, most hard drives back then were 40-80MB. My 4MB RAM upgrade cost me $400, so 32MB on a PC? Come on.

    And there certainly was email. I ran a WWIVnet board, and another BBS in town had FidoNet (seemed overcomplicated for the end user). Sure, it took 7 days for a message to get from Michigan to Mexico, but it got there.