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U.S. House Says the Internet is Terrorist Threat

GayBliss writes "The U.S. House of Representatives passed a bill (H.R. 1955) last month, by a vote of 404 to 6, that says the Internet is a terrorist tool and that Congress needs to develop and implement methods to combat it."

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  1. Sensationalist FUD by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Holy crap, that title and summary is misleading.

    I just read the bill (linky, it's not that long), and the Internet is mentioned only once:

    The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

    That's it, nothing else. The bill's purpose is to establish a committee to study violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism, and to assist federal officials in training and education efforts to prevent such things.

    If you disagree with spending tax dollars to do that, then I don't have a problem with that. If the committee comes up with some outlandish plan to regulate the Internet as a result of their research, then I agree we need to get worked up about it. But the bill does not say that the Internet is a "terrorist threat," and it sure as hell does not define the Internet as a "terrorist tool that Congress needs to develop and implement methods to combat."

    1. Re:Sensationalist FUD by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Funny

      darn.

      I wanted to see them get lost planning where to send the tanks on the invasion of the internet... They have to find tubes big enough for the tanks after all!

      Or GWB trying to decide which of the internets to invade.

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    2. Re:Sensationalist FUD by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have seen terrorist propiganda on the web. Plenty of people have.
      I've also seen US propiganda. For that matter, I've seen propiganda for every country and continent with a significant population or wielding significant world power (i.e. not Antarctica). Beyond that I've seen [insert religeon-of-choice here] propiganda, political party, and corporate propiganda,

      Propaganda is all over the net. It doesn't take much effort to find it for any PoV,a nd often times, it finds you without you looking. The trickier propiganda is the more subtle kind - the kind that is either well developed or subtle.

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    3. Re:Sensationalist FUD by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are problems with your post:

      (1) You apparently read the article. We don't "read" around here... we telepathically absorb article details from around the globe.

      (2) You took time to derive logical deductions and causation factors from the ideas presented in the article. Way too much effort; your time would have been better spent trying to one-up the wild assertion that is the story headline.

      (3) You implied that Congress has acted in anything less than a knee-jerk, know-knothing, insert-more-hyphenated-words-here manner. Anyone Slashdot user with half a brain knows that Congress has never produced any meaningful debate or results in all of history.

      Sheesh, man... go drink some coffee and wake up, or something...

    4. Re:Sensationalist FUD by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've seen plenty of terrorist propaganda too. For example, look at the Lancet Report which claims that not only around 650 000 people have died between 2003 and 2006 in Iraq due to bringing democracy to that country, but even more hienously it claims that at least 30% of those deaths were caused by direct coalition actions. Clearly, this study only serves to destroy the morale of our troops and it should not be permitted to exist on the web.

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    5. Re:Sensationalist FUD by totallygeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Holy crap, that title and summary is misleading.


      Partially true. Why specifically name the Internet? We could substitute the word with any of the following: Postal system, library, school system, etc. This sets a horrible precendence and seeds the idea that the Internet must be controlled or even dismantled.

    6. Re:Sensationalist FUD by natoochtoniket · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's play word-substitution here:

      The Free Press has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

      Freedom of Speech has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.

      I don't see any difference between a "Press" and "The Internet". Paper and web sites are both just media for publishing. The fact that a lot of stupid or misleading stuff gets published is not new. One definition of "propaganda" is "speech by your political opponents". Political speech is, of course, the most highly protected form of free speech.

      Seems to me the bill is facially unconstitutional.

  2. Firehose by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure glad we had the Firehose to filter out crap like this.

    Oh, wait...

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  3. mod parent up...further by faloi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of all the times to need mod points... This is among the most sensational, FUD filled summaries I've seen on /., and that's saying a lot.

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    1. Re:mod parent up...further by Hierarch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Beyond that, I actually wish I had a way to apply mod points to an article instead of a comment. This is the worst I've ever seen on slashdot. (Which tells you I haven't been reading as assiduously as most of you, I'm sure...)

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    2. Re:mod parent up...further by s13g3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Please mod parent article flamebait/troll.

      Would you really expect anything less from CmdrTaco? Not that I think the people who work for the major media and went through 4 years of it in college are doing any better a job, but I think that he (and thereby /. and it's audience) would benefit greatly from his taking a few journalism courses. He's got the hang of sensationalism alright, but perhaps he should examine the finer aspects of journalism like clarity, consistency, intellectual honesty, in-depth research providing valuable insights to the reader instead of FUD, etc., etc. It's not as if he hasn't been at this a few years now... You'd think that, being a commercial website focused on delivering news and information to geeks, that, just perhaps, by now they'd have learned how to do a little research and actually provide some real information and intelligent articles instead of just blindly passing along whatever some troll dragged up off of a random news site.

      You know, actually, I think a system to apply mod points to articles themselves and perhaps not just the person who passed along the article, but the editor who posted it would be a nice addition. Add karma into the mix, and perhaps we'll eventually see who the best of the /. editors are, with the potential for good, community conscious editors to rise up from the user pool who have some concept of what "news for nerds" really means, which would involve real information based on honest inquiry and research instead of just forwarding along unfounded FUD. Give a stable selection of long-time readers with positive karma and posting scores the ability to see articles before they're posted and vote on their relevance, accuracy and "truthiness" before they're slammed out to the general readership... and maybe even the ability to edit those submissions into something that actually resembles news and information, and we might have something worthwhile going here. As it stands, /. is every day becoming more like a blog or sci/tech oriented version of del.icio.us, and less a medium for reliable, thought-provoking news and information.

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    3. Re:mod parent up...further by Dysson · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I made the same mistake. Now I regret waterboarding my router.

  4. Re:I'm know one congressman who probably voted by jcr · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're talking about Ron Paul, he wasn't present for that vote.

    -jcr

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  5. Informative article regarding the bill at Slate by higgins · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slate has a pretty decent write-up about the bill.

  6. Re:What, you were expecting anything else? by UncleTogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one here, is interested in actually discussing the real merits or drawbacks of this bill.

    Actually, I'd already submitted this for discussion back on the *2nd*, 'cause I'd noticed some provisions in the bill that are a little vague... Read the passage I quoted there for an example.

    FUD aside, it has more potential for abuse than the DMCA, and that's saying something...

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  7. Re:What, you were expecting anything else? by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You got mod points, but it doesn't seem like you are putting emphasis where it needs to be. With what was stated in the bill, it is also plausible that public libraries, Popular Science magazine, the Radio Shack catalog, the USPS, the public switched phone systems, and dozens of other things that might qualify as helping to spread terrorist ideals, assist in terrorist activities, or otherwise be used by terrorists.

    We all know the folly of prohibition. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. I think that applies here. The Internet does NOT need to be singled out, and by doing so elected officials are signaling their intent to scrutinize and censor the Internet. Do you really think that the Internet had anything to do with the OK city bombing, or the Unabomber? Do you think that the Internet helped the DC snipers? do you think that law enforcement will use any valid data they get on terrorist activities from the Internet... or will they fsck it up like they did with the relevant data they had about the 9/11 plan to use planes? To date I have not seen ONE case where post 9/11 knee jerk reactions and Patriot Act provisions have helped to stop any terrorist activity. In fact, all the actual successes I've heard of came about through standard pre-9/11 law enforcement methods.

    Don't naysay people who worry just because your myopic view of the writing on the wall is all blurry. Remember, in the beginning the Patriot act seemed like a good idea to a lot of people. In fact it seemed like a good idea to the very people that are suggesting this bill be passed into legislation. fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me !

    You, and the rest of the world, would do well to be VERY worried about anything that even suggests a hint that it might be the intent to monitor, datamine, censor, or filter the Internet by the government. Do you think that the Great Firewall of China is a good idea? You should read how the Chinese government describes it.

    If the Internet is abused in anyway in the name of security from terrorism, sit back and wait until you need permission to buy bug spray for your house, or you get a visit from the Feds when you purchase household chemicals in one month period that can be used to create explosive devices. Wait till your car/truck has to be searched prior to entering any major metropolitan area.

    How long will it be before you give up all your freedom for these little efforts that don't ACTUALLY say that they intend to use them to take your freedoms?

    And finally: For fsck sake man! Why are we now fighting 'home grown terrorism' at all? when the Unabomber was active.. did we need this? When the DC snipers were active, did we need to fight home grown terrorism? When the OKC bombing took place, did we need laws to fight home grown terrorism? The short answer is NO. The reason that we need it now is so that the executive branch can continue to push war powers privileges to further shrink the rights of citizens. As long as there is a WAR on terror or drugs, they will get to push your rights right down the toilet. Terrorists, and the origin of the term comes from the French Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism and guess which side the 'terrorists' were on? Every successful terrorist has broken at least a couple normal laws that are already in force. Making special provisions or laws for crimes committed by people who are 'deemed' terrorists is nothing more than a tool to take your liberties.

    Should we call mass murderers terrorists? Should we call arsonists terrorists? Should we call anti-war protesters terrorists? Should we call gay-bashers terrorists since they are promoting their ideology through violent action? Sure, now lets just lump in all hate crimes... hell, lets just make any violent crime a terrorist offense. That kid that started the fires in California: is he a terrorist? And you are totally screwed if you do something unusual in Boston, perhaps there we can call jaywalker