Slashdot Mirror


Canada's New DMCA Considered Worst Copyright Law

loconet writes "The government of Canada is preparing to attempt to bring a new DMCA-modeled copyright law in Canada in order to comply with the WIPO treaties the country signed in 1997. (These treaties were also the base of the American DMCA.) The new Canadian law will be even more restrictive in nature than the American version and worse than the last Canadian copyright proposal, the defeated Bill C-60. Among the many restrictive clauses in this new law, as Michael Geist explains, is the total abolishment of the concept of fair use: 'No parody exception. No time shifting exception. No device shifting exception. No expanded backup provision. Nothing.' Geist provides a list of 30 things that can be done to address the issues."

58 of 234 comments (clear)

  1. Wait a minute... by palegray.net · · Score: 5, Funny

    A you saying it's entirely possible that in the very near future Canadians might start envying American digital rights liberties? I think my head is going to explode...

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by TheMadcapZ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yep, them hosers just got hosed!!!

    2. Re:Wait a minute... by FredDC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Canadians probably saw the DMCA laws in the US, and thought "Pfff, we can do better than that!".

      Note to Canadians: It's NOT a good idea to try to beat the US on everything!

      --
      09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63
    3. Re:Wait a minute... by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

      All humor aside, kinda makes one wonder how long draconian enforcement measures would last in Canada if (a) this sort of garbage became law, and (b) average Canadians started getting hurt by the consequences of something as simple as making a personal backup of something covered under the legislation. My bet is: not nearly as long as we in America have tolerated incidents of similar severity, but I could be very sadly mistaken. For now there's always the optimistic view, right? Time will tell, I suppose.

    4. Re:Wait a minute... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is a non-issue. The bill will never pass.

      The US complains about Canada's IP laws all the time. So every so often we introduce a new bill so we can point and say "see US, we're trying!". However the bill is purposely written to be so restrictive as to never, ever make it through 3 readings in the House of Commons. A bit wasteful, sure, but for the most part it keeps the americans off our backs.

    5. Re:Wait a minute... by TMB · · Score: 4, Interesting

      While I certainly hope you're correct, do you have any basis for that? If it were a majority government, I suspect it would pass easily, and if Harper really wants to make everything a confidence vote, the Liberals aren't going to choose digital rights as the election issue.

      [TMB]

    6. Re:Wait a minute... by PFAK · · Score: 2, Informative

      This bill will pass; The Conservatives, Liberals and Bloc support it, the only party really opposed to this bill is the NDP.

      Please, write your MP. I have compiled a list of good arguments you can use when writing them.

      --

      Free means no restrictions, ironic the FSF's GPL forces restrictions, isn't it? What's your definition of free?
    7. Re:Wait a minute... by Hemogoblin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know who you are Anonymouse Coward, or whether you know anything about Canadian politics, but I think you're dead wrong here.

      This isn't garbage legislation, the kind of legislation that will never pass but is introduced to make their voting base happy. This legislation is important to the rich CRIA lobbyists and the Conservatives want to reward them for their support. The Conservatives mentioned these new laws in their Throne Speech, so it's definately important to them.

      The Conservatives would never introduce something if they thought it was going to fail, simply because they couldn't stand the loss of face. Furthermore, it won't fail, since the Liberals aren't going to fight over an issue that won't garner them much votes. If the Liberals do fight, the Conservatives will make the bill another confidence motion and force an election, which the Liberals will lose.

    8. Re:Wait a minute... by Scruffy+Dan · · Score: 2, Informative

      not to mention that the liberals have proposed similar bad copyright laws in the past.

      --
      Just another crappy blog
  2. Not news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is hardly surprising. The current Canadian government is more interested in mirroring American political issues than doing the bidding of it's own people.
    Most of us here are embarrassed. Sorry, we'll vote better next time.

    1. Re:Not news by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 5, Funny

      Most of us here are embarrassed. Sorry, we'll vote better next time. hey, that's our excuse!

    2. Re:Not news by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Most of us here are embarrassed. Sorry, we'll vote better next time. hey, that's our excuse!

      That was our excuse and I'm pretty sure we copyrighted it (or maybe we patented it, I get so confused these days). Give it back.

      Besides, it doesn't work very well.

      --
      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    3. Re:Not news by MrAndrews · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, it's not so much American politics as it is the will of American corporations... the government apparently got the entire text of the bill from the MPAA...

    4. Re:Not news by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it's not so much American politics as it is the will of American corporations

      American politics is the will of American corporations nowadays. It was US corporations which pressured the US government to strong arm everyone in the WIPO to adopt these rules.

      The *AA's managed to influence the laws in many countries by influencing American politicians to serve their own purposes. We all lose.

      Now that they have made almost everyone else adopt these laws, they've started to lobby the government to harmonize US laws with everyone else. So, they managed to get everyone else's laws updated so they could then get domestic laws updated.

      How messed up is that?

      Cheers
      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    5. Re:Not news by o'reor · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Zut à la fin ! I was about to pirate^Wmake fair use of that excuse too.

      We too have elected a neocon.. (although I don't include myself in that "we", having campaigned for years against that guy and his policies.)

      --
      In Soviet Russia, our new overlords are belong to all your base.
    6. Re:Not news by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe you should try RTFA or at least RTFS. This is not about bending to the will of America, it is about complying with international treaties.

      Which American politicians pushed on the members of the WIPO after they'd been lobbied by the *AAs.

      The bending has already happened, and, yes, America were the original instigators of these measures. They insisted that everyone else adopt these laws, because they wanted to protect the American movie and music industries.

      This is not adhering to international treaties that everyone else in the world decided we needed. It was in response to pressure from American interests that it all happened in the first place.

      Bush is still an ass, but, I don't know if these measures were pushed on his watch or Clintons. But, don't pretend that American interests weren't being served when these treaties were signed.

      Cheers
      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    7. Re:Not news by kebes · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Canada has its own laws, and its own legislature. It can choose to withdraw from the treaties (very unlikely since there a major downsides to leaving WIPO). Yes, this is largely about complying with international treaties which Canada has already agreed to. So, to a large extent, the complaint is that said treaties should never have been signed in the first place. The WIPO provisions for DMCA-like legislation greatly over-reaches. So, even though this treaty has been signed, it should not be followed. Signatories should "do the right thing" and repeal their support for said treaties. (Wishful thinking, I know.) Just because a treaty has been signed does not, of course, make it proper and correct.

      This is not about bending to the will of America, it is about complying with international treaties. Well, actually Michael Geist explains the situation as:

      The new Canadian legislation will likely mirror the DMCA with strong anti-circumvention legislation - far beyond what is needed to comply with the WIPO Internet treaties - and address none of the issues that concern millions of Canadians. The Conservatives promise to eliminate the private copying levy will likely be abandoned. There will be no flexible fair dealing. No parody exception. No time shifting exception. No device shifting exception. No expanded backup provision. Nothing.
      (Emphasis added.)

      In fact, there is a concern that while legislation is being proposed to conform to treaties, the opportunity will be seized to extend the laws beyond what is strictly required. In particular, it was found that some members of Canadian government are being influenced (financially, etc.) by U.S. lobbies. So, there is a real danger that overly restrictive laws get put in place in order to appease U.S. corporations (or the U.S. government, depending on how you want to look at it).

      It's not as simple as saying that Canada must comply with the treaties it has signed. As you say, the law can be implemented in various ways, and we must all do our best to insure that they are implemented in sane, democratic, and freedom-preserving ways. (Which may mean not implementing them at all.)
    8. Re:Not news by BForrester · · Score: 2, Interesting

      +1 Funny, not informative.
      RTFA that is linked. It's satire.

  3. Here's a suggestion: by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kill it with fire.

    --
    No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
    1. Re:Here's a suggestion: by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Insightful"?! Slashdot moderation terrifies me sometimes.

      --
      No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
  4. Geist's list of 30 things by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Geist's list of 30 things you can do, linked to in TFS, is pretty good, actually, no matter where you live. Even if your country already has a DMCA-like law, you can still fight for it or certain provisions of it to be repealed. Just replace the Canadian-sepcific info with the equivalents in your country.

    Furthermore, some of it just plain good advice -- only buy DRM-free music and videos, release stuff under the Creative Commons licenses. And so forth.

    Most of you are gonna be like, yeah, yeah, but no one cares. That's not true anymore. Now that the MAFIAA have become a nuisance and even public enemy #1 as far as some are concerned, the public will push for change. Like it or not, most politicians eventually cave to public opinion. After all, they need the public's support in order to get elected.

  5. Finally! by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

    After that whole dollar thing, I thought we'd never be able to make fun of Canada again.

    Blame Canada! Woohoo!

    --
    How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
  6. Unlikely by Seek_1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd say extremely unlikely. We've been fairly (and rightly) entitled to fair use, personal copying etc for a while now thanks to the levy. All this will do is create confusion and cloud the issue.

    That said, if there is any sort of Canadian Consumers user group that I could contribute to in order to help oppose ridiculous lobby-funded wastes of our government (and people!)'s time like this, I'd be more than willing to contribute...

    1. Re:Unlikely by sayfawa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not so optimistic. Recent polls I've seen show the Tories at a near-majority. The NDP and Liberals have already caved on a couple of bills they were mostly against because defeating it could have led to an election. Could happen with this one. If they do defeat a bill that's treated as a no-confidence vote it's likely that the public will blame the Libs for forcing yet another election and the Tories will come out further ahead. All in all, I don't think the Tories are afraid of a vote of no confidence.

      --
      Free the Quark 3 from asymptotic confinement! Bring your charm! Don't get down! All colours and flavours welcome!
    2. Re:Unlikely by Bullfish · · Score: 4, Informative

      Of course the moment that Hans Schrieber connected Harper to Lyin' Brian Mulrooney the party dropped eight points back in the polls to be tied with the liberals again... I sincerely doubt that this legislation will be given high priority

    3. Re:Unlikely by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh, it's time for an election. It looks like the conservatives are just as dirty as the liberals, but the liberals have had their spanking.

      Just tell everybody during the campaign that the conservatives want to make it illegal to put your CDs on your iPod, so go vote.

  7. Contact Your MP by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are Canadian, I encourage you to contact your member of parliament and make sure they know you, as a voter, want them to put the concerns of Canadian consumers before big business (especially foreign big business).

    1. Re:Contact Your MP by milescca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually did that. And I got absolutely no reply. It was a short polite letter. Not even a note of receipt. But I do not think that the opposition will block this....

    2. Re:Contact Your MP by dmatos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Until the actual bill is posted somewhere where it can be read, there is no point in doing anything. Hell, I haven't even seen a number that's been assigned to this bill.

      My MP has responded in a timely manner to even emails that I've sent him about my opposition to specific pieces of legislation. I will wait until it is actually tabled before I start doing anything. Right now, it's just FUD. "A possible bill that may be proposed might have horrible consequences for the state of copyright in Canada."

      --

      It may look like I'm doing nothing, but I'm actively waiting for my problems to go away.
      --Scott Adams
    3. Re:Contact Your MP by dcfrltt · · Score: 2
      Here's what I wrote my MP (not knowing the details of the legislation):

      I am very concerned about the upcoming potential copyright reform legislation as discussed by Law professor Michael Geist at http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2419/125/. From what is presented, it seems that the suggested legislation will be in step with the DMCA of the US, which, as you are probably aware of, some consider rather draconian in nature.

      I have two points for your consideration that I would like to focus on:

      1) We have recently, relative to human history, developed technology that enables producers and consumers of art to collaborate and communicate on a level practicably inconceivable only a few generations ago. Unless we plan on halting all advances in computer hardware and software, which seems unlikely, we must admit to ourselves that this technology fundamentally changes the way we do business in that it greatly decreases, potentially eliminating in some cases, the need for a connecting agent between producers and consumers. Understandably, any currently existing entities that act as such agents do not enjoy entertaining this fact but it is just that: a fact.

      2) Copyright legistation does not only effect commercial enterprise; it effects all Canadians, including (but not limited to) independant artists, local media outlets, and, perhaps of particular importance, educators and students. It does more than regulate financial transactions; it has a direct impact on our cultural environment. Any reforms that focus primarily on the commercial scope of copyright law run the risk of alienating those inspired to participate in the development and promotion of Canadian culture.

      Thank you for your time.

    4. Re:Contact Your MP by I'm_Original · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's a summary of the proposal here: http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/crp-prda.nsf/en/rp01142e.html

  8. Huh? by VorpalRodent · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Does this retroactively make the once ubiquitous VCR (or DVRs) illegal? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Canada already have a tax on blank media in an effort to combat piracy (or something similar)?

    What about television news shows? If the equivalent of the concept of fair use doesn't exist, are they no longer permitted to report on issues for which they didn't do the original information gathering? What if it's a cited work?

    I admit, I only read the summary for this one, but based on the summary, it appears to be one of the first (if only) accurate Slashdot article titles ever. This truly is the worst copyright law ever conceived. For that matter, it sounds like it would take a truly stupendous lapse in the mental faculties of any politician involved in order to come to the point where one thinks that this would be a good idea.

    Well, at least there's another reminder that American politicians aren't the only stupid ones...not that such is really encouraging.

    --
    Take it to the limit, everybody to the limit, come on, everybody fhqwhgads.
  9. The last straw by ngunton · · Score: 5, Funny

    That does it! I'm moving to... oh wait

    1. Re:The last straw by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 4, Insightful

      when we have nowhere to run to our only hope now is revolution.

      --
      disclaimer: I've been known to store numbers in my ass for which to dig out when quantities are required.
  10. Better not by OpenSourced · · Score: 2, Interesting

    30 things that can be done to address the issues

    I'd say better not. It'd be much better if the law would be passed in that very form. The stronger the law, the less likely it'll ever be enforced. Judges will have to impose penalties to normal people that will have just taped some program for later viewing. Probably the judge himself will have done the same. Probably most of the people voting "yes" for the law will have done the same. The situation will be really untenable, and the whole law will gather dust. If they end with a "reasonable" law, perhaps they'll end up really enforcing it.

    --
    Rome taught me patience and assiduous application to detail. Virtues which temper the boldness of great, general views.
  11. A law without enforcement by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The parliament can vote whatever-the-law they want, but they still have to apply it. And the RCMP (our equivalent of the US FBI) explicitly said that they won't go after any individual for copyright infringement...

    So what's the use of a law if you're not to enforce it?

    1. Re:A law without enforcement by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So what's the use of a law if you're not to enforce it?

      Selective enforcement.

      They only enforce it when you need leverage over someone. And since practically everyone will be a rampant violator, whenever the government wants to shut somebody up, or suspect them of rape, murder, vandalism or whatever and can't prove it, they'll just charge them with 4000 counts of violation of this law, and threaten them with a billion dollar penalty.

    2. Re:A law without enforcement by trolltalk.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      "You really think someone will get charged that much for recording Canadian Idol on his VHS without the commercials for 15 weeks in a row?"

      They'll obviously use the insanity defense.

      Of course, if they make the jury watch all the evidence, the jury will vote for the death penalty - even though we don't have a death penalty.

  12. Address the issue by CaptDeuce · · Score: 2, Funny

    Geist provides a list of 30 things that can be done to address the issues.

    Do any of them involve the use of rubber chickens and a garrote?

    --
    "Where's my other sock?" - A. Einstein
  13. Re:How probable? by SlipperHat · · Score: 2

    I'd say it wouldn't fly if it were not for a few things.

    - The governing minority Conservative government is borderline popular. Apart from yet another scandal from the past, moves such as reductions in sales tax, recognizing the Quebecois as nation, and the image of being strong against crime and gangs are generally approved upon. There are issues like Canada's involvement in Afghanistan and climate change where the government's stance is questioned by the opposition parties and the public at large, but not too many. A while back, polls found that the Conservatives would win a majority in the election.

    - Prime Minister Stephen Harper as stated numerous times that he wants closer ties with the US. However, he is a intelligent politician and knows when and how to please the crowd [citing the government's reversal on the issue of climate change that resulted in the sacking of a cabinet minister].

    - The official opposition is in somewhat of a state of disarray. Initially, Stephane Dion, the leader of Liberal Party, was passed off as inept and lacking [difficulty in speaking English and unwillingness to publicly state the party's stance on some key issues]. He backed off in making demands and criticizing the government's upcoming policy in the Throne Speech (similar to a State of the Union address by a US President). Although Dion is improving rather quickly [he's making more decisive statements - the one's that get "ooh's and aah's from the rest of Parliament" ], he has yet to make significant gain in the polls.

    - The other parties (New Democratic Party (NDP), and Bloc Quebecois) would probably vote against this bill.

    - Canada's politics are by and large partisan. The Conservatives (all of them) would vote in favour (100%). The NDP would vote against (100%). The Bloc would most likely vote against (95%). The Liberals would be deciding the outcome. Right now, I'd say they'd vote against (this issue wouldn't spark an election), but if other issues crop up and there are calls for an election, the Liberals would probably prop up the current government until they get their own party ready for an election.

  14. In Soviet Kanukistan copyright p0wns YOU! by trolltalk.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Geist provides a list of 30 things that can be done to address the issues
    I don't even need to read it to know #1 is move to the US lol

    Or just host fair use/parody/etc on servers in the US, outside the jurisdiction of Canadian courts. If it works for the White Aryan Nation whack-a-moles (who moved their servers from Canada to the US to escape Canadian laws about propagating hate literature), it can work for everyone else ...

  15. Relationship w/ Government by debrain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wasn't the woman in charge of copyright reform in the Canadian Government and in a closet relationship with a member of the Canadian Recording Industry Association?

    I can't find the reference, now, but thought it relevant. Maybe someone can find it?

    1. Re:Relationship w/ Government by computerchimp · · Score: 3, Informative

      That Geist guy rules. Here is a link on what you are referring to:
      http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2251/125/

      CC

  16. the world won't stop.. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    note to governments all over the world:

    the world will NOT stop if the mega-rich media moguls make a little less money in the new 'digital millennia' (god, I hate that phrase). why do they have a 'god given right' to extort money from customers but the customers get less and less fair-use rights, over time?

    lawmakers, please stop being slaves to media corporations. we all know they help pay your salary (kickbacks) but we, the real citizens, also contribute to your salary (our tax base). please don't forget you are there to serve neutrally and fairly.

    --

    --
    "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
  17. Re:Parody by UncleTogie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean Weird Al will be banned from performing in Canada?

    --
    Don't tell me to get a life. I'm a gamer; I have LOTS of lives!
  18. Fair use in Canada by IPCanuck · · Score: 3, Informative

    A little background may shed some light on Prof. Geist's comments. Canada has no 'fair use' law - we have 'fair dealing' which is more restrictive to users. While American copyright law describes what rights copyright owners have, and everything else is open to users, Canadian copyright law describes what narrow rights copyright users have, and everything else is restricted.

    When Prof. Geist talks about time- and format-shifting, parody, and backup exceptions, these are not exceptions to copyright that are being taken away from Canadians. These are rights that, technically, we've never had. Unlike the US, which had the famous Sony/Betamax case which legalized VCRs, we have never had that debate, and consumers would likely lose if we did. VCRs and PVRs (DVRs) are in a legal grey area at best, if not outright illegal, and yet they are in virtually every home.

    This leads to Canada lagging behind with adoption of newer technologies, due to the legally questionable situation manufacturers might find themselves in. TiVo just announced their entry into the Canadian market (officially) this month. How can our government move to reform copyright, and in the process make criminals of virtually everyone? How do we get out of our current contradictory mess of copyright law in Canada, through which downloading of copyrighted material from the internet is legal, and yet VCRs are not?

    This bill has not yet been introduced, so we cannot even read it for ourselves to confirm or deny these rumours. That said, I urge every Canadian reading this post to write (snail-mail is best!) their MP post haste and let them know that they don't want to become a criminal every time they transfer songs from their CDs to their iPod, or use their PVR/DVR or VCR. No postage necessary. You can find your MP here: http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/MainMPsCompleteList.aspx?TimePeriod=Current&Language=E/

    Hon. Josée Verner and Hon. Jim Prentice are the ministers in charge of the copyright file. Write them too!

  19. smart by icepick72 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's the beauty of Canada. This law will never pass. In fact I'd suggest that's the purpose behind the strictness of the law, to ensure it doesn't get passed and therefore everything stays the same. We've got a formula and we're using it. Maybe it's like a company that's being forced into making children's toys and they don't want to, so they always propose something absurd like the nuclear happy fun ball with pins and needles ... and their suggestions always get turned down. It's awesome.

  20. scratch that! by maroon_fox · · Score: 2, Funny

    Crap!Scratch running to Canada next election http://xkcd.com/180/

  21. Re:Consider the Source! by IPCanuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This bill has been a long time coming, and the priorities of the current government are well-established. It isn't the first time we've been down this road (Bill C-60). New anti-camcording legislation was adopted at warp speed earlier this year, despite questions about the necessity. Copyright reform was specifically mentioned in the Speech from the Throne earlier this year. Plus rumours are a-plenty on this from sources all around Ottawa, not just Prof. Geist.

    Boing Boing, Excess Copyright, Centre for Intellectual Property Policy, Digital Copyright Canada, ... - all in agreement that this is the likely direction the government will take, and that the effects will be disastrous for user rights. This will be nothing short of a complete sell-out to American special interest groups (RIAA, Hollywood, MPAA...)

  22. Re:How probable? by thewils · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the one hand I don't think it'll fly in it's most draconian form - we'll probably end up with a somewhat watered down version.

    On the other hand though, my Usenet connection is likely to be humming along 24/7 for the next couple of months.

    --
    Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
  23. onus dissected by epine · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wait a second on this idea that "Canada" signed a WIPO treaty. In actual fact, it was minions of a particular administration who decided to sign this treaty, with the usual avoidance of democratic process that signing international treaties entails these days, much to the disgrace of national governments everywhere. Think about this. As an individual, how often do you personally sign a legal contract, text to be supplied later, to the convenience of other parties? Yet apparently our government feels quite comfortable signing in this manner on our behalf.

    There is no possible interpretation of democratic process in which the rights of a nation can be signed away *prior* to disclosing to the citizens of the country the precise implementation in law. Irregardless of any pretense that we, as a nation, have "already signed" this treaty, in fact, every signatory nation understands that you can't sign away fundamental democratic and constitutional rights, which includes the rights of the population to reject faulty implementations of those promises on an indefinite basis, if that needs to happen. Our minions in power seem determined to put this to the test.

    In my view, what the signatory process actually promises is that the government will attempt to pass laws, within the constraints of our natiional legislative and constitutional process. In doing this much, our government is upholding its promise.

    Now we need to vote this bill as presently written into the sewer, so that our government can continue their efforts to uphold their promise by doing a far better job on the next iteration. If it proves that the nation will not accept any legislative implementation of our treaty promise, then they need to go back to their treaty convention and apologize for misunderstanding the will of the people, suggest somes mean by which the failed treaty itself can be repaird, and perhaps refund in humility some expensive dinners obtained at the expense of the expensive suits of the MPAA.

  24. Impressive! by Sta7ic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wow! If Canada keeps this up, we might have to change the "In Soviet Russia" meme to a "In Federal Canada" meme!

  25. VCRs? Try videotaping a movie! by freeweed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As described in Geist's post, the bill would outlaw VCRs.

    After sitting through another insulting pre-movie commercial, nothing would surprise me anymore:

    Image of a prison security camera monitoring an imate pacing his cell. Commentary (paraphrased): "he camcordered a movie, now the justice system gets to camcorder him for 10 years".

    That is now actual law. With rather scary commercials to back this up. People can seriously be put in PRISON for 10 years, for recording a movie. And the rest of us get to be called potential criminals after we've just paid our $15.

    And you think we're being alarmist and melodramatic? How extreme do these measures have to get? The fact that this is even being discussed outside the confines of a dystopian sci-fi novel should make you seriously afraid.

    --
    Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
  26. Re:It used to be that Canada was the place to go.. by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now it's basically the 51st state since Stephen Harper became Prime Minister (or "Steve" as GWB calls him). Too bad.

    [Shakes Fist]DAMN THOSE NEOCONS!

    Oh, right...the world isn't quite so simple is it?

    There are a couple of rather significant flaws with your naive, juvenile view of Canadian politics-

    a) The Conservative government is a minority government. Legislation doesn't pass unless it passes with a majority, which the conservatives cannot accomplish themselves.

    b) Stringent, DCMA-style copyright regulations have been in the works for years -- yeah, back in the Liberal era. You can bet the Liberals will support this, because they basically authored it.

    The next time your knee starts jerking to blame everything you perceive as negative on Stephen Harper, try to get some semblance of facts.
  27. So where's the bill? by idan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Parliament posts its order of business .. here:

    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=status&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=39&Ses=2

    This supposed "Super-DMCA" is nowhere on the list of house or private members bills.
    The government never gets through its order of business anyways, so if this thing is supposed
    to get tacked onto the end of the list at some future date, it's unlikely to even
    get a reading during this session of parliament.

    Sure smells like fear-mongering, rather than anything serious..

  28. I worry that Public Domain itself will bite it by Jim+in+Buffalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I worry that the entire concept of Public Domain will eventually be written out of copyright law, and exclusive rights to existing Public Domain works, such as The Bible, Huckleberry Finn, and The Wizard of Oz, will be auctioned off to the six mega-media conglomerates.

    It sounds insane, but have you looked at the laws being pushed through the US Congress these days? They're little more than corporate wish lists written in legalese.

    --
    This sig, aah-ah, is comin' like a ghost-sig...
  29. Give me your Crystal Ball when you're done with it by gordguide · · Score: 3, Informative

    WHAT new law?

    This hasn't even been tabled yet. There is a minority government in power; the opposition can shoot down anything it wants and there's nothing the government can do about it. It hasn't got to second reading, it hasn't got to the Senate, it's pure speculation at worst and in need of some rather improbable help at best. Most of the bills this government tabled in the last session (a year ago) died on the order paper (means nothing happened and can ever happen with them).

    Sorry, I'm calling you on this.

    BULLSHIT

  30. The Conservative's Copyright Policy by Munchkinguy · · Score: 2, Informative
    I just wanted to point out the Conservative Party's official policy on Copyright Law (from http://www.conservative.ca/EN/2692/41625)

    Copyright Legislation i) The Conservative Party believes that the objectives of copyright legislation should be: a) to create opportunities for Canadian creators to enjoy the fruits of their labour to the greatest possible extent; b) to ensure that the rights of Canadian creators are adequately protected by law; c) that these rights are balanced with the opportunity for the public to use copyrighted works for teaching, researching and lifelong learning; d) to continue to allow an individual to make copies of sound recordings of musical works for that person's personal and individual use; and e) that enforcement is applied fairly and in accordance with international standards. ii) The Conservative Party believes that reasonable access to copyright works is a critical necessity for learning and teaching for Canadian students and teachers, and that access to copyrighted materials enriches life long learning and is an essential component of an innovative economy. iii) A Conservative Government will give consideration to educational public policy goals within the copyright framework. A Conservative Government will work with industry to increase awareness and develop a public education campaign to better inform users and creators on the copyright laws in Canada. iv) A Conservative Government will eliminate the levy on blank recording materials.