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Alabama Schools to be First in US to Get XO Laptop

CountryGeek passed us a link to a story in the Birmingham News, saying that schools in the Alabama city will be the first US students to make use of the XO laptop. The piece touches on a bit of the project's history, and seems to indicate the Birmingham school district is ready to make a serious commitment to these devices. "Langford has asked the City Council to approve $7 million for the laptops and a scholarship program that would give Birmingham students with a C average or above a scholarship to college or tech school of their choice. The City Council has not yet approved the funding. The rugged, waterproof computers will be distributed to students on April 15, Langford said, and children will be allowed to take them home. If a computer is lost, the school system can disable it, rendering it useless, Langford said. Students will turn in their computers at the end of their eighth-grade year."

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  1. Alabama? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alabama you say? That's entirely natural. After all they were supposed to be for the third world... ;-)

    1. Re:Alabama? by Seakip18 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Puh lease. Alabama is hands and arms above, oh say, it's next door neighbor, Mississippi and Florida. There is a *reason* Fark has the Florida Tag.

      Seriously though, you wanna see some of the worst parts of the country, go to the Delta areas of MS and some counties in AL. Poverty, STDs, teen pregnancy, HS graduation/college acceptance rates, life expectancies are among the worst in the nation. Do you think it's right to just ignore these areas for any sort of advancement?

      The former Gov. of Mississippi, William Winter, put it best when endorsing the need for higher education in MS- "We can either compete with the other 49 states for jobs or we can do nothing and compete with China and Mexico."

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    2. Re:Alabama? by JavaLord · · Score: 2, Insightful

      go to the Delta areas of MS and some counties in AL. Poverty, STDs, teen pregnancy, HS graduation/college acceptance rates, life expectancies are among the worst in the nation. Do you think it's right to just ignore these areas for any sort of advancement?

      I'd bet you can find similar rates in Newark, NJ which isn't far from me and is very urban.

      Although people like to generalize about the southern states having substandard schooling, I'm sure there are communities in every state that could use some help.

    3. Re:Alabama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I live in the Delta and this guy is right. The schools around here have a 15% percent literacy rate and poverty rates among children are well over 50%.

      The real question is will XO laptops help turn that around?

    4. Re:Alabama? by seven+of+five · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "We can either compete with the other 49 states for jobs or we can do nothing and compete with China and Mexico."

      errr... the other 49 states are competing for jobs with China and Mexico....

    5. Re:Alabama? by lib3rtarian · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, you bet wrong. Newark is doing much better these days that it has historically, although it is still the car theft capital of the world. However, it is not rural, it is extremely diverse, and is a short train ride to NYC. It is also home to one of the finest institutions in the world (Rutgers).

    6. Re:Alabama? by j_sp_r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      These laptops are more then capable to launch a space-shuttle (after all, they use computer from the 80's)

    7. Re:Alabama? by cluckshot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Cut the troll crap! Alabama is not a third world country though I must admit that Birmingham City is not Alabama's finest and brightest.

      I live in Alabama. Nobody ever went to the moon without going to my home town first! We are the people who invented the "Green Revolution" that feeds the world. We are the ones who gave the world many amazing medical advances and we are the ones who have some of the finest and brightest the world has. Alabama is a fine state and isn't even the 49th out of 50 economically either. We are doing much better than most of the USA. Yes we have paved roads, good schools and we have running water too. Actually it may surprise the bigoted idiots out there but Alabama is actually one of the most accepting and welcoming societies on earth so we are not even the racists some people think we are. We are one of the centers of computer technology and manufacturing for the world. We are one of the technical leaders in energy, genetics and much more.

      To be blunt Alabama is a very nice place with a lot of very bright people and a lot of very nice people. As long as you are somewhat civilized the people of Alabama welcome you and treat you well. Every race finds that this is so. The state has one of the strongest and faster growing economies of the USA. It has a lot to recommend it. I think we should be proud that XO laptops begin to spread in Alabama. Learning is for every kid.

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    8. Re:Alabama? by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's pretty funny you should mention that. I'm in the business of (amongst others) hosted virtual machines and the smallest plan has 64 MB. People sometimes ask me, "What can I do with such a small amount of RAM?". When I basically answer "everything, but you might have to tweak some config files and heavy scripts", they're very surprised.

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    9. Re:Alabama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > As long as you are somewhat civilized

      , heterosexual, and Christian...

      > The state has one of the strongest and faster growing economies of the USA.

      As indicated by what?

    10. Re:Alabama? by tfoss · · Score: 5, Informative
      To be statistically blunt:


      Etc. etc. I have no doubt there are plenty of smart, healthy, wealthy, open-minded folks there; however the statistics tend to suggest that overall AL (like much of the deep south) has a pretty unhealthy, uneducated and poor population.

      -Ted
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    11. Re:Alabama? by turtledawn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everything I've heard is that Fark was founded in Nicholasville, Ky, about twenty miles down the road from me, by a guy now living in Fayette county by the name of Drew Curtis. I'd be interested in seeing your sources.

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  2. Alabama, a thrid world country? by 4solarisinfo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't recall OLPC allowing any of these things in the US, it was starting strictly in 3rd world countries wasn't it?

    1. Re:Alabama, a thrid world country? by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't recall OLPC allowing any of these things in the US, it was starting strictly in 3rd world countries wasn't it?


      Developing countries have been the focus, but the project has never ruled out working with school authorities anywhere in the world. What they ruled out was mass retail sale in developed countries as an early focus.

      OTOH, there is a break from the earlier articulations of the principles of the project here, and its not in the fact that its in a developed country, its in the "Students will turn in their computers at the end of their eighth-grade year" part.
  3. C average by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought a C meant that you were doing exactly the work that's expected of you (aka, Average). So now they're going to award scholarships for performing like you should? Crazy!

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    1. Re:C average by dryueh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the point is to encourage all students to consider post-secondary education, whether that's college or tech school. It's a fine idea -- I imagine that 'C' performers, in many areas, are seldomly encouraged to go on with their education/training after HS graduation.

  4. No they're not... by the_skywise · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What part of: "The City Council has not yet approved the funding." = "schools in the Alabama city will be the first US students to make use of the XO laptop."

    1. Re:No they're not... by scubamage · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given the article I believe the statement was about the scholarship, not the purchase of the laptops.

    2. Re:No they're not... by barocco · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The City Council has not yet approved the funding." => Slashdot space-time continuum distorter(TM) => "schools in the Alabama city will be the first US students to make use of the XO laptop." There, fixed.

  5. C average? by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The opening up of the university system to all and sundry has already lowered standards and resulted in grade inflation. Just compare the rigour of an undergraduate education a half-century ago to the situation now where anyone (even me) can breeze through four years without a challenge. Is paying for college for people with a C-average instead of directing them towards only vocational training--as in many other Western countries--a good idea?

    1. Re:C average? by jdunn14 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, and we're doing them any favors by pushing everyone through high school regardless of ability either. My mother works at a community college, and the number of kids that have to go straight into remedial english and math is appalling. But we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings... no, it's better to let the real world do that. Then there's no one that can be pointed to as "the problem".

      Here's something else I don't understand. What is this country's aversion to vocational schools/training? We as a society seem to look down on such training, but I'll gladly pay someone many tens of dollars per hour to make my car go, make my AC work, fix plumbing, rewire my house, add an addition to the dwelling, etc. There is nothing wrong with this. You don't like school, but think cars are fun? Hello mechanic work. It just seems silly, these people are as important to our economy and every day life as the surgeons.

    2. Re:C average? by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Unless, of course, you think that with the same grades and other performance measures, people who are poor should be kept out of college in favor of those who are rich. My own experience, as a kid coming from a poor family but with excellent grades and test scores, getting financial aid was super simple. It's the kids who have good, but not great, grades/scores that have trouble. Top schools compete for top students and will bend over backwards to ensure the top students have the means to attend. There are enough good students out there that the top schools don't have to compete for them.

      Of course, a good student at a non-top school can very often be one of the top students at that school and qualify for grants and scholarships that would have been unattainable to them otherwise. Just one of the benefits of being a big fish in a small pond, I suppose.
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    3. Re:C average? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I don't draw a distinction between vocational training and college. College is a sort of vocational training for most people. So if you were to ask me if 100% of people should engage in some sort of post-secondary career education, I would say yes. Maybe that means grad school. Maybe that means an apprenticeship in the pipe-fitters' union. Society as a whole is better off when everyone is better educated in their field.

  6. Waste of money by gasmonso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why on Earth do grade school students need to be issued a laptop? Early education should be about learning the basics. I remember not being able to use a calculator even in college Calculus classes as the professor thought it made people lazy and dependent on them. I do agree that schools should have computers, but every student?!?! Computer labs work just fine and cost a lot less than issuing every kid a computer.

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    1. Re:Waste of money by SirGarlon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have not even heard a convincing argument of why young children need to use computers. What can a 10-year-old learn on a computer that A) actually needs to be taught in elementary school (as opposed to high school) and B) actually requires the computer to be taught effectively. Given child labor laws, the "need computer skills for the workplace" argument does not hold up in my opinion (for high school, sure, not not elementary school!)

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    2. Re:Waste of money by explosivejared · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why on Earth do grade school students need to be issued a laptop?

      Isn't this a tired old argument already? I thought we had established what a useful tool that a personal computer had become for education. As a student from a rural area with limited educational resources, I can say from first hand experience with distance learning and paperless courses that PC's are becoming almost essential to education at the higher level. A good part of grade school education is priming children for the whole educational experience. Using the standard tools of the trade is only too obvious of an idea. I've always thought that the whole dependence on technology x was completely ridiculous. Technology is supposed to remove some labor intensive task. Tech is not making us dumber. The people that can only do math with a calculator probably wouldn't be able to set up an equation at all if calculators had never been invented. Tech + education == good for the most part. Note technology has to have some end. Throwing kids in front of a computer as a baby-sitting mechanism is not good. Allowing kids to have constant access to the tools a computer offers is a good idea.

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    3. Re:Waste of money by Compholio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember not being able to use a calculator even in college Calculus classes as the professor thought it made people lazy and dependent on them.
      I had a Physics class where we were able to use Mathematica on some of our exams. Another school of thought says "your brain is only so big: use it for things that matter."
    4. Re:Waste of money by KE1LR · · Score: 4, Informative

      There are a ton of kids in Maine who have spent the last few years proving this assumption -- that young kids don't learn anything useful on computers -- is wrong. Their program gave Powerbooks to all middle-school students and has produced remarkable results. It was recently renewed by the state legislature and is being expanded to additional grades with state $$, which is no small feat in a state under a lot of budget pressure. See link for published studies, etc. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Maine decided to go for OLPC's for the younger-then-middle-school set.

      The primary problem in Maine's one-powerbook-per-child program has has come from backwards teachers like your Calc prof who won't adapt their teaching to the new technology.

    5. Re:Waste of money by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't decide whether or not I agree with you. On the one hand, I have no difficulty imagining how computers could hinder education rather than help. People have a tendency to think that our education problem with somehow magically be solved if you just throw computers at the problem, when in fact the most important thing children can get is personal attention from parents and teachers.

      On the other hand, our society (and economy) are becoming increasingly dependent on computers. Children who grow up without computers lack experience, which then puts them at a disadvantage later in life. Also, I think the Internet is an amazing tool for communication and discovery, and an Internet-connected child might have far more opportunities to broaden their minds than would otherwise be possible.

    6. Re:Waste of money by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interacting with a computer is one of the fastest ways to become literate.

      If you're literate, you can teach yourself anything you can find a source for.

      If this computer can teach kids to read and write while they're having fun with it, that, by itself, justifies putting it in their hands. Anything else it can teach them is a bonus.

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    7. Re:Waste of money by Smidge204 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree that, to a very large level, it is well-intentioned buy wasteful spending to cram computers into every classroom. I've personally been witness to hundreds of millions of dollar's worth of "network infrastructure upgrades" across several school districts, and it's a damn shame because nobody uses it. (Special "clean" power for computers installed in raceways with special orange outlets, 4 per workstation? The teacher plugged her mini fridge and coffee pot into one and used a chain of surge protectors from a normal wall outlet for the computers...)

      Anyway, while a bit of a daydream I can see a potential at least.

      1) The laptop as a replacement for textbooks. Able to be updated and searched. Also, carrying around one XO laptop is better than managing a half dozen books, and if the computers get recycled after 8th grade then the long term costs could level out.

      2) It allows a student to keep more organized. Notes and assignments could be kept on the device and mirrored at a school or even district level server (the XO supports handwriting input). No more "forgetting your homework" since everything is in the computer. ("What happens if the student leaves it home" argument is irrelevant since that applies to notebooks too). Update school announcements and calendar events.

      3) Media distribution to students. Imagine those typically boring films you had to watch, only being able to pause and rewind at your leisure and even take it home to study. Audio and video recordings/pictures from field trips or lessons. Combine this with those digital whiteboards and stream the info right to the laptops (already done in some places). A student could potentially take an entire day's worth of lessons home and replay them. Unit supports USB and wireless so storage isn't much of an issue on or off school grounds.

      4) Parental monitoring. With the ability to record a log of daily use, if not entire lessons, the parents will have a better understanding of what goes on in the classroom (for better or worse). This assumes the parent actually bothers to access the laptop and check, of course, but it makes possible what is currently impossible or at least wildly impractical.

      5) Electronic grading. With the ability to distribute and collect most assignments digitally, the entire process becomes simpler. One copy of an assignment can be distributed to any number of students and they can be submitted as soon as they are complete (cutoff times/due dates are easily implemented). Records of grades are easily maintained and accessed. Plagiarism is easier to detect using DIFF-like utilities, and I'd even support some kind of DRM-esque scheme to help detect or even prevent (something that is difficult to do with paper). Tests can be administered by providing a collection of questions that are presented in a different order for each student, with randomized answers for multiple-guess type exams. Beats scan-trons and makes cheating nearly impossible.

      Again, all pure daydreaming on my part. None of this gets in the way of teaching the basics either, which I agree is most important. $200 per student seems a better deal than central labs, too. I've seen initiatives that have 1 computer for every 5 students, which is also about right for a computer lab since only one class can use it at a time. If the backend stuff is more or less the same, you can get five to ten $200 laptops for the cost of a single, normal desktop workstation - pretty significant savings - and each student has access all day.
      =Smidge=

    8. Re:Waste of money by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not all schools that are doing laptops are doing it with tax dollars. There are two public elementary schools in my neighborhood in Fullerton, CA. One of them (not the one my kids go to, thank god) tried to require every student to buy a laptop. A lawsuit resulted, and AFAIK the plan has not been implemented, but there are other schools that are trying the same thing.

      Personally, I didn't mind buying $200 Linux desktop boxes for my kids, but standard laptops are a ridiculously bad choice for young kids. They cost two to four times as much as a desktop system with the same specs, and they tend to die or become obsolete much more quickly, so you end up with something that's an order of magnitude more money for the same amount of use. With kids, you just add onto that the fact that it will get beat on more severely. It's also fairly difficult to buy a laptop without paying the Windows tax, so most of these programs end up being Windows-only -- yech, yet more favored treatment for MS by government, None of my arguments apply to the XO, however; the price is low, and they're designed to be durable enough so kids won't destroy them.

      As a physics prof, I can see both sides of the argument about the educational appropriateness of computers. On the one hand, it would be silly to require my students to do long division on tests. On the other hand, not all calculators are created equal. Some, for instance, can do algebra and calculus. I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that it's unfair for one student to use a $300 calculator that can do algebra and calculus, while the other student can't afford that, and has to get by with an ordinary scientific calculator. Personally, my experience is that the student who is incompetent at algebra is also incompetent at setting up an algebra problem on a calculator, but I don't think it's quite as clearcut a luddite versus non-luddite issue as you're making out. If you talk to calculus teachers about why students fail first-semester calculus, they'll all say the same thing: it's because they haven't mastered arithmetic and algebra. You also can't completely separate things cleanly into important concepts versus unimportant details of technique. Knowing how to divide fractions by hand isn't a completely separate skill from understanding what it means to divide fractions, knowing when you should do it, knowing how to interpret the results, knowing how the result would change when you changed the inputs, ...

    9. Re:Waste of money by AeroIllini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Standard paper textbooks
      - Math: $100
      - History: $100
      - Language: $100
      - Social Studies: $100
      - Additional computers (per student): $50 (assuming student:machine ratio of 16 and an $800 Dell machine)
      Total: $400

      XO Laptop
      - Laptop: $100
      - Online textbook subscription: $100
      - Additional computers (per student): $0
      Total: $200

      Seems pretty simple to me.

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    10. Re:Waste of money by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1) The laptop as a replacement for textbooks. Able to be updated and searched. Also, carrying around one XO laptop is better than managing a half dozen books, and if the computers get recycled after 8th grade then the long term costs could level out.

      If grade school textbooks are anything like college textbooks, an XO is worth about two or three textbooks. That's pretty amazing when you consider that every student takes about 8 classes per year. Using open textbooks could *save* money if the schools bought laptops.

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  8. All together now! by PinkyDead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh I come from Alabama with an XO on my knee.

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  9. Re:C average or above? by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So let me get this straight, C average or above to get rewarded with laptops and scholarships?


    Well, clearly, you are performing at below expected level, so wouldn't get the scholarship.

    The laptops are universal, and not a reward. The scholarships are for C average or better, and are arguably not a "reward" either, so much as a recognition that either college or technical school is as necessary as a highschool diploma was a few decades ago, and the area wants to improve its economic condition, it would be desirable for the baseline to be moved up to include being able to attend one of those institutions.

    Yeah, sure, its a change, but there was a time when education beyond the eighth grade was exceptional and only open to those with wealth or who impressed a wealthy benefactor with their performance. Heck, there was a time that that was true of formal schooling period. The baseline moves.

    Just why not make it universal, rather than "C average or above," which makes it a bit comical... Those with F averages aren't going to be qualify for University in the first place.


    "University" != "college" != "college or technical school".
  10. more news on alabama by flynt · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just heard that the governor has signed a law in Alabama raising the drinking age to 35. He wants to keep alcohol out of the high schools.

    just a joke.

  11. What does this PC actually provide them? by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a feel-good measure, nothing more. Tossing a laptop into a mix of bad teachers, and bad schools is not going to improve anything. There are several major problems, none of them technology related, that have made public education a colossal failure:

    1) Most of the people who are teaching subjects, have their primary education in "education."
    2) Teacher's unions.
    3) School policies that don't allow proper discipline for disruptive students.
    4) A legal system that actually listens to parents who sue when schools properly punish their kids for misbehaving.
    5) Government monopolies that make it financially impossible for most parents to afford to send their kids to private schools or homeschool them.

    But it's ok, technology will save the day. It couldn't do a damn thing for other social problems like pirating copyrighted materials, but it'll be able to take on... entrenched bureaucracies, good ol'boy networks, unions, crufty legal codes and parents who have no ability to hold their kids responsible for their behavior and are willing to shout and sue at the drop of a dime. Go technology, you modern day messiah of secular America.

    1. Re:What does this PC actually provide them? by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Tossing a laptop into a mix of bad teachers, and bad schools is not going to improve anything.
      Are you so sure? At least kids who do want to learn will have access to the greatest library the world has ever known. I have more faith in access to information than what you believe, which is that everybody just needs more punishment. (Technology is a failure because it hasn't cured the "social problem" of copyright infringement? Let's go back to stone age, nothing curbs piracy like illiteracy and having to use a hammer and chisel!)
    2. Re:What does this PC actually provide them? by jimicus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I shall tell you what this PC provides them.

      It provides them with executives from Intel and Microsoft getting on the first plane to Alabama to offer them a Windows-based laptop for a special discount price.

    3. Re:What does this PC actually provide them? by tfoss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      2) Teacher's unions. Do you have any actual evidence of this being a major problem? I know it's a lovely scape-goat particularly for political opponents of unions, but that doesn't give the argument any validity. In fact the researcher's who've tried to look at this say there really isn't enough data to make a conclusion one way or another. Further, charter schools (sans unions) have shown no improvement [warning:PDF link] in student performance.

      3) School policies that don't allow proper discipline for disruptive students.
      4) A legal system that actually listens to parents who sue when schools properly punish their kids for misbehaving. Not sure, but it sounds like you are suggesting corporal punishment?

      5) Government monopolies that make it financially impossible for most parents to afford to send their kids to private schools or homeschool them. I'm not sure I understand how Gov't provided education makes private schools charge prohibitively expensive rates.

      -Ted
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  12. Turner, not Down by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is also called Down's laptop, for you biological types out there. You try to make a joke, but you fail it. Down syndrome is trisomy 21. "XO", or monosomy 23, is Turner syndrome. Is Ted involved?
  13. Re:Newark by GungaDan · · Score: 2, Funny

    So you're saying it's got the nappy headed hos thing going for it?

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  14. Re:Hey Paw, I got a C! by SydShamino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, you've got it all wrong. Because all of our lower-education but higher-paying jobs are moving away, we need more people to go to college. We can't afford to relegate all of our C students to truck drivers and welders, as you say: those jobs are going to be filled by D and F students, dropouts, and immigrants.

    It's getting to the point where the college degree is a relatively unimpressive feat in today's world.

    Don't sound so elitist. It's a good thing that a college degree is a common feat. For a lot of students, college is the first place that's going to make them think and work. If these C students can't do it, they'll drop out fast and become truck drivers. If, however, they are genuinely hard workers but just not bright, or bright but never motivated, they'll get out of college the tools they need to get a better job, live in a better place, have better health care, and raise kids able to get Bs and As and lead a better life.

    Should every child go to college?

    To reiterate: no. But, we need more than our B and A students going to college. Because the jobs left in our country require either no-skill or the education from a college degree, we need get our "average" student into college.

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  15. Yes to XO laptops; No to dome stadium by cabalist · · Score: 2, Interesting



    I live in Birmingham, AL and think that it is a great idea to be equipping our children for life in the real world. Mayor Larry Langford's efforts, to this end, should be lauded.

    On the other hand, and there is always another hand, this particular instance is a shell game. Birmingham (and sadly Alabama in general) has been the victim of poor leadership and frequent deception. In this case newly elected Mayor Larry Langford, formerly mayor of a nearby, poorer, decaying locality, rented an apartment in Birmingham (but never lived there) in order to become eligible to be elected in Birmingham as mayor. He has been pushing a dome stadium for years (10+) believing that he can attract a professional football team(never NFL, mind you) and turn Birmingham, AL into a tourist attraction.

    In order to do this he wants to raise sales taxes on everything (food and necessities included). This is a regressive tax on the poor and uneducated who will not enjoy the fruits (if there are any fruits) of their taxation.

    He has been trying to pass this for years and now he thinks he has it.

    Birmingham cannot let him distract them with the XO laptops under the right shell when there is a dangerous, expensive, disasterous dome stadium under the other one.

    Laptops=good idea
    Dome stadium/Birmingham as a tourist destination=WTF???

    cabalist

  16. Don't laugh at Alabama. by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Airbus is about to start manufacturing aircraft in Alabama. ThyssenKrupp is well established. Mercedes makes cars their.

    I was stationed in Alabama for a year. While there, I had a world-class Shakespearean theater at my back door. I loved living in Alabama.

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    1. Re:Don't laugh at Alabama. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      I was stationed in Alabama for a year. While there, I had a world-class Shakespearean theater at my back door.

      That sounds neat, but I would think the novelty would wear off after a month of non-stop Hamlet recitals. Didn't they have anywhere better to go? Or are world-class Shakespearean theater troupes so common you have them just living on the streets? If so, I hope you left them some sandwiches.

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  17. Re:Hey Paw, I got a C! by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could see helping those students to head on out to a trade/tech school


    If you give everyone with a C or better average a scholarship to college or technical school, as the proposal described in TFA would, then those who have the performance to be admitted to college can use it to go to college (which most C students will not unless they have impressive test scores, extracurriculars, and/or demanding courses in which they got the Cs), and those who don't have the performance or inclination for college can use it to go to a technical school. So I don't see what you are objecting to: the proposal seems to have the effect you desire.
  18. Re:Hey Paw, I got a C! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "Don't sound so elitist. It's a good thing that a college degree is a common feat. "

    But in a way....it is lowering the standards, just like we're doing in so many other areas. With a college degree, this cheapens it. It is pretty much already the case that todays college bachelors degree, is the equivalent to the HS degree of a few decades ago. In the past and bachelors pretty much ensured you'd get a good paying higher level job. Now, a BS or BA is the minimum requirement for almost any job besides riding on the back of the garbage truck.

    Rather than lower the standards to "C", and having to teach remedial courses in college, why not start earlier in high school, to encourage learning the basics and getting those A's and B's.....so they can be ready for higher learning.

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  19. Re:Hey Paw, I got a C! by Finuance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, you've got it all wrong. Because all of our lower-education but higher-paying jobs are moving away, we need more people to go to college.

    Hmmm, this is what happens when you lower the bar.

    We're competing globally, so now the best of the best foreigners are winning over our C average. Yep, that piece o' paper can't mask the fact that an average Joe is just an average Joe.

    Pushing our average through college with taxpayer monies still doesn't help them compete with the brightest from other countries if they are just average.
  20. Lynchings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Talk about a worn out stereotype. statemaster.com defines the lynching statistic cited as Number of total people killed by lynching from 1882 to 1968. Per capita figures expressed per 1 million population.

    Hardly relevant or timely but thanks for promoting the racist stereotype.

  21. That was awfully one-sided. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    You're just lucky you put it on the internet where nobody from Alabama can see it.

  22. Re:Would you rather they take a cue from Californi by bogjobber · · Score: 3, Informative

    You need to look at the rates there genius, not the overall number. Of course California is going to be higher than all the others, they have more people! In rape, gonorrhea, suicides, AIDS cases, syphilis, HIV deaths, and new AIDS cases California ranks middle-of-the-pack to near the top when you look at the per capita rates. Other than motor vehicle theft (California has by far the most vehicles per capita so no surprise there) I couldn't find the other stats so I don't know. But if you're honestly arguing that the deep south doesn't have a problem with health and education, you're crazy. And for the record I don't live in California, and in general I really dislike California.

  23. Birmingham's Mayor is a joke by pelviselvis · · Score: 2, Informative

    i highly recommend reading this article... an article on larry langford's past by our local alt weekly political writer langford bankrupted his last city he was mayor of... he wasn't even truly a resident of birmingham when he was running for mayor. he has two investigations looking into his previous actions right now... if i were olpc, i wouldn't have anything to do with this man. he has big visions and not much follow through, other than bankrupting whatever he touches. i hope this won't be an egg in their face when it fails. i would specifically read about his previous political computer endeavours with "computer help for kids." it's a company he was running with richard scrushy (his wiki entry), the man in jail now for bribing our democratic governor and bankrupting healthsouth. there's some good info on it in that first article... it's why he's being investigated. and alabama isn't as bad as ya'll make it out to be... at least not the metropolitan areas. it is considered third world once you get down in the black belt in the western side of the state.

  24. April 15th will be too late by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 2, Informative

    The City Council has not yet approved the funding. The rugged, waterproof computers will be distributed to students on April 15, Langford said, and children will be allowed to take them home.

    I'm planning to have XO's in the hands of every student at my school (Oak Hill Academy; central North Carolina) outfitted by the end of this year.

    I might buy that Birmingham will be doing the first large scale public school deployment (Go Birmingham!!) in the U. S. but not the first U. S. students.

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