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Why US Wireless Isn't Wide Open

Geoffery B tips a story in Business Week about why the US cellular carriers' talk about opening up their networks rings hollow. "Even as the wireless industry chants a new gospel about opening mobile phone networks to outside devices and applications, some of the biggest US carriers are quietly blocking new services that would compete with their own. Would-be mobile-service providers, ranging from startups to major banks to eBay's PayPal, have encountered these roadblocks, erected by the likes of AT&T and Verizon Wireless. In some cases, cellular carriers have backed down, but only after inflicting costly delays on the new services."

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  1. Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why US Wireless Isn't Wide Open Answer: Greed.
    1. Re:Summary by Adambomb · · Score: 5, Funny

      Christ, one comment by an AC and already theres nothing left to be said really.

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    2. Re:Summary by christus_ae · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think that's an oversimplified sensational exaggeration to the notion that a business is out to make money, and would hence not readily open the market to more competition and subsequent profit loss.

      For the record, trying to make money != greed. Not relinquishing a dominated holding (what they're doing is legal) is not greedy, it's intelligent business. What do the companies have to gain by allowing more competition in an already competitive market?

    3. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Better answer: because they can.

      Banning corporate lobbying will give us a nice jolting shakeup of our government.

    4. Re:Summary by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Remember kids this is Slashdot where greed is ALWAYS EVIL.*

      * Exceptions:
              1. Apple getting premium prices
              2. Any Slashdot fanboy downloading any movie/music/game for free since this it's only greedy when the creators want $$ for it, not when Slashbots want it for free
              3. The other companies mentioned in this article that are not really being banned, but may not be able to get "short" numbers. They are not greedy, since they want to make money, and get a scarce resource (short number codes). If these non-Verizon companies want to hog the short codes this is NOT greedy because they are Slashdot approved. Only the cellphone companies are greedy. Everything is purely black & white.
              4. Whenever a Slashdot approved company makes money: AMD, IBM (called an 'underdog' for unknown reasons), Google, Apple (again)
              5. Any company with a '90's style business plan that goes under due to ineptitude. They are seen as being martyrs for the religious cause of the week, and that they should have succeeded except for George Bush being evil and destroying them.

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    5. Re:Summary by Elemenope · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whoa! The equivocations are flying by at light speed!

      For the record, trying to make money != greed. Not relinquishing a dominated holding (what they're doing is legal) is not greedy, it's intelligent business.

      If one's sole concern is profit, to the exclusion of all other concerns (public health, advancement of humanity, humor value, whim, sex appeal, religious imperatives, etc.), then that's greed. It really doesn't matter *at all* if it has the sanction of law or not; law says next to nothing about ethics, and greed is primarily an ethical judgment.

      Intelligent business *is* greedy. Leveraging dominant market share *is* greedy. Trying to make money (as a corporate mandate, not in general; individual moneymaking is a more complicated issue) *is* greedy.

      Now, what really needs to be talked about is whether greed is at all times *good*, **bad* or something in between. That would be the moral discussion, divorced as it is nearly entirely from both law *and* ethics.

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    6. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about ban ALL lobbying, and replace it with a true Democratic process.

    7. Re:Summary by kaiser423 · · Score: 1

      No, providers are greedy in other countries too.

      The real reason is that the FCC/government decided not to require some type of open access at a reasonable price they they require with the telephone company. A third party should be able to "rent" a data/voice line on their network for a nominal fee.....that is if our government wasn't cuddled up with the providers.

    8. Re:Summary by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Okay, we'll set up that true Democratic process. Now the problem is that there are TONS of people and far fewer politicians to hear all the complaints/suggestions. So, for efficiency's sake, we'll need to organize these people into groups by what their interests are and then have people represent them and go talk to the politicians.

      Oh wait...

      The solution is not to ban lobbying. The solution is to ban "gifts" and campaign contributions by the lobbies.

    9. Re:Summary by umghhh · · Score: 1

      I think what needs to be discussed why slashdoters either do not read TFA or when they already spent incredible amount of energy on reading do not have any for understanding. Besides that I agree with you fully.

      They do not block anything. They just do not respond to proposals by other companies to canibalize their own networks. These other companies that want to do something with ussd so urgently have following choices:
      1. give up
      2. give more money and agree not to canibalize the incubents' networks (this does not mean that they cannot offer chepaer calls - there are business models that can benefit both operators as such services are usually meant for different target groups)
      3. invest billions and bring up their own infrastructure
      4. pay their engeeniers to think - after all ussd is comfy but the same if not as fast can be achieved with sms based services or with IN based services etc.

      There are other possibilities but in general they all require some effort and that is not something that an average bank (read TFA) wants to do.

    10. Re:Summary by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      A third party should be able to "rent" a data/voice line on their network for a nominal fee.....that is if our government wasn't cuddled up with the providers.

      You do understand that's what the short codes are right? They are a way for the third party to "rent" special services from the providers such that they can offer alternative, competitive, or complimentary services. As the article states, these companies are still able to use standard text messaging to accomplish the same purpose.

      While I think it is kind of underhanded and screws the customer, I don't think the providers (Verizon, AT&T et al) really doing anything wrong that requires government input. Customers should simply start speaking with their wallets, but that's really not likely to happen.

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    11. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misunderstood.

      Lobbying is fine. Just ban corporation from lobbying. One thing for rich *people* to push for their agenda, another for corporations to do so.

      Ban corporation from lobbying and other political activities. They are not real people. We already do that to churches/non-profits.

    12. Re:Summary by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Generalizations are accurate and meaningful. I found your post very enlightening.

      Please remember that if you browse at +1 or more you'll only see the multitude of vocal minorities. Granted in most cases its the largest minority, but still a minority out of the whole.

      Course less than +1 is a study into Beckett's Endgame writ large, but it does reveal the broader mix of perspectives.

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    13. Re:Summary by infra+j · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. The only way businesses make sustainable income is by competitively *creating value*. Trying to protect a space that you deem "your domain" is not competitive, nor does it create more value in the market.

    14. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After digesting your textbook definitions of the terminology, now your next lesson is to come up with the relationship between the question and the concepts of greed as employed in the question. A hint: it's "something in between". Our public discourse is where that in-between is/should/could be, not some idiot to give definitions all over again. Advance the argument or get out of the forum. Don't add more noise.

    15. Re:Summary by asamad · · Score: 1

      Sorry $1 per sms not greed, even at $0.15 a sms that greed, on infrastructure that has been paid for ......

    16. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Korea and were 20 years ahead of you clowns.

      I can watch 3+ tv shows on my wireless notebook and still have pletty for surfing.

      Greed is holding the U.S. back.

      Bye Bye

    17. Re:Summary by big_paul76 · · Score: 1

      Oh, gimme a break.

      Sure, there's a lot of slashbots who might see profits as evil, but surely you don't honestly suggest that there's nothing wrong with anti-trust/restraint of trade behaviors?

      I'm sick and tired of this attitude that "we're in business to make money, so that's all that matters, and we have to make as much as possible" being used as excuse to somehow exempt people in business from any discussion of ethics or morality.

      If all that matters is maximizing investor return, then why don't AT & T and Verizon sell crack, too? Or import Russian prostitutes?

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    18. Re:Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please just read what the person wrote instead of assuming an irrational love of capitalism.

    19. Re:Summary by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Which is great and all, except when you talk about their "networks" you're really talking about frequency space that was given to them at no cost, which they're exploiting for oligarchy profits.

      Had they borne all of the costs for creating their "networks", they'd be entitled to pricing as they saw fit. Since they didn't, they aren't.

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    20. Re:Summary by umghhh · · Score: 1

      I am not sure how this is done in US but in Europe in majority if not all countries you pay for assigned frequencies. On top of it seems that there is more and more of them (surprisingly) as analogue and military users give them up. You also cannot forget about the billions spent on the infrastructure - had these be only the frequencies that they have there would be no problem with access as there would be no access at all.

      What I hate is when everybody is bitching about things that they hate as if we all were in some evil matrix. These companies you talk about are not nice and sometimes to t he point of inflicting losses on themselves. This however doe snot mean that they always have to jump and do whatever some asshole banker asks them to do. If somebody wants to rip off profits from other people's investments then possibly this somebody is as evil and greedy as the companies in question that this somebody wanted to rip off. The fact that I do not like big operators either does not prevent me in seeing what is being tried here. Both sides are evil and greedy. Why should you take sides then?

      Me thinks.

  2. Hmm by christus_ae · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think it's out of the norm for a business in a competitive market to create artificial barriers to entry to protect their profit margins. In a capitalist system, a business must take certain steps to "get ahead" of current and would be competition to survive. These are typical tactics.

    I feel like the summary is a tad sensationalist... I don't find a business not voluntarily allowing more competition to be suprising.

    1. Re:Hmm by Ajehals · · Score: 1

      I am fairly certain that if *artificial* barriers to entry are erected then the market isn't competitive, companies are limiting interested parties from entering the market artificially to prevent competition. The only barriers to entry in a competitive market should be natural or in some cases regulatory (product safety etc...). After all in a competitive market one would expect services to improve (to get that 'step ahead' you were talking about) and profit margins to remain low (lowest possible pricing to keep and attract customers).

      Not to mention that any market where the incumbents have effectively have a regional monopoly (or duopoly) would be difficult to refer to as either competitive or free.

    2. Re:Hmm by christus_ae · · Score: 1

      There is no doubt that markets without artificial barriers to entry are inherently good for the consumer (as always the more competition, the better for the consumer). While the barriers being erected in the wireless industry are discouraging more competition, there is existing fierce competition between carriers.

      To say that the incumbents in the wireless market are in some sort of trust or effective monopoly is incorrect. Over the course of the relatively short lived wireless market, consumers have seen cost to service ratios drop steadily as the competition between Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon remains constant.

    3. Re:Hmm by fireboy1919 · · Score: 1

      Of course, in a purely capitalist system, every business would be able to erect any kind of radio network they like. We'd at first end up with a bunch different protocols that are all conflicting with each other and fantastically expensive and clever devices that can use whatever is available to actually get the calls through.

      Then slowly those 12 standards would merge as the devices relied more heavily on a specific set of features over another. We'd end up with something fairly flexible, but more limited than the original ideas in most of the original protocols...like DOM, for example.

      I wonder if it would have worked? Is there enough airways to go around if everybody can do whatever they want with them? With the advent of collision detection and frequency hopping, I'm not entirely sure that there isn't. It might have worked. Instead, what goes through the air is heavily controlled by the government. :(

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    4. Re:Hmm by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      To say that the incumbents in the wireless market are in some sort of trust or effective monopoly is incorrect. Over the course of the relatively short lived wireless market, consumers have seen cost to service ratios drop steadily as the competition between Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon remains constant. Are you so certain of that first statement? One doesn't necessarily imply the other. Collusion and competition can coexist. As long as everyone in the industry agrees to impose certain barriers to entry while still competing -- that's still collusion.

    5. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to take issue with the notion for several reasons. Competition is not defined by how well you keep other people down. If that's the case, then you must also be for slavery as a business model as well. I'm sure you're not, but you get the idea... the flaw in your argument is exposed rather easily. Competition is only about who is the best. Stifling competition is, in other arenas, considered CHEATING. (Think of two people running a race and hitting the guy behind you with debris to slow him down.)

      Next, the radio frequencies they are utilizing are leased to the companies through the government under many restrictions. And whether or not it is explicitly stated, the spirit of such an agreement is that in exchange for their exclusive use of such radio bands, they should offer some benefit to the people being services and play fair and by the rules... and also pay some money.

      The whole argument of net neutrality is pretty well illustrated in the practices of these very same companies and what they do with the domains they already control. There's no reason to believe they wouldn't abuse the public internet the way they abuse other things without laws stating that they cannot... and even that is no guarantee they won't try... and they will try.

    6. Re:Hmm by ciscoguy01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it's out of the norm for a business in a competitive market to create artificial barriers to entry to protect their profit margins. In a capitalist system, a business must take certain steps to "get ahead" of current and would be competition to survive. These are typical tactics.

      But in the US wireless market that's hardly what's going on. The carriers keep a stranglehold on the equipment supply by being essentially the only buyer of handsets from each manufacturer. Which explains why the manufacturers have been making handsets the carriers want instead of what we want, until Apple came along that is.

      They keep the prices artificially high on those handsets so they can discount them (or even give you one "free") but only in exchange for signing a long contract to pay them monthly. It's cheaper to keep a customer for a long time that to have to get another one, mostly because of all the commissions, kickbacks, etc. that pervade the US cellular industry.

      In fact it's gotten so egregious that in the case of ATT, if you want an Iphone, the best way to get it is to go to a phone store, get a "free" phone, sign a 2 year contract to get it, then buy your $399 Iphone at full price. You essentially get the free phone for free, and you get the Iphone too, by paying for it. The 2 year agreement is the same.

      Now if you got the discount or rebate for the Iphone this wouldn't work. But you don't, and the Iphone is the first handset that has been sold at full price but you have to sign a two year deal to get it activated. The amazing part is people don't get it and have gone along with it.
      If the purpose of the subsidy lock and the contract is to make sure you pay for the subsidized phone, but that's doesn't come into the Iphones since they are not subsidized, why should you have to sign a deal to get one? But you do.

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  3. Official response: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing to see here... Please move along.

  4. And You're Surprised? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In some cases, cellular carriers have backed down, but only after inflicting costly delays on the new services.

    And you're surprised at this news...why?

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  5. Don't take on AT&T by Mdentari · · Score: 0

    Very scary how much power they have. I think the FCC goes out of their way to help them out way to much. Also there is an unspoken rule on the hill that if you bring the money to economy (free the money from citizens pockets) and thus generate revenue for the government you have almost free reign on what you can do. It's looked at from a global perspective now where we as a country compete with other countries. I believe that this is way to short term solution for keeping the US powerful. If the airwaves are opened to to the public in general I think this will spur an incredible amount of innovation through the sharing of information. A knowledgeable populace and free flowing of ideas is the most powerful tool we can have as citizens.

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  6. That's not what the article is about. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article is about foot-dragging and rejections for some short-code services that compete with the wireless carriers.

  7. Open network surcharge. by pavon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if they were completely open about what phones and services you could use on their network, it wouldn't amount to much thanks to subsidized phones. How many people will really pay full retail price for a phone when they can get one that is just as good, but locked down, for "free"? Yay, I can save $2 on custom ringtones if I pay $150 more for my phone.

    1. Re:Open network surcharge. by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      If it lowers the monthly cost I would do it. If it gets me a phone that has not had its features removed that is another good reason.

    2. Re:Open network surcharge. by nolife · · Score: 1

      You do not get something for nothing, the cheap subsidized phones are paid for by higher monthly fees. Considering only that aspect of the mobile industry, the consumers would come out even from a money standpoint if the phones and monthly service we prised fairly. What the contracts and subsidized phones allow the carriers to do is tie you into their service for the contract length and make you pay way more for a replacement phone if you would ever need one. The perpetual cycle starts over every year or so when you are eligible for another subsidized phone with a contract extension. The phone companies then make sure they will get their money back from selling the phone artificially cheaper with the whopping ETFs.

      IMHO, price the phone fairly and break down the artificial carrier locked phones, and price the service separately. Ideally, bring your own phone would be better for everyone. This will never happen as all of the US carriers are working together to keep themselves isolated from each other.

      Getting off topic here but there will never be a carrier that meets everyone needs, you will have to make sacrifices for any carrier you choose, fair enough but many of the sacrifices are on purpose by the carrier because of the methods they currently use.

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    3. Re:Open network surcharge. by bendodge · · Score: 1

      Well, my big question about this whole "open network" thing is this:

      Will this force the carrier to just give me a pipe, or can I still be nicked-and-dimed? It seems like it would be really easy, even if the carrier didn't want it, to stuff a data stream into a voice connection or something of the sort to give me a real internet connection.

      And if carrier certified x-phone, couldn't someone just make a linux device that accepts the chip and pretends to be x-phone but lets me do what I want?

      I may be way off base here, but "open networks" would appear to require them to just sell a connection instead of a big mash of options. Can anyone who knows how phone protocols work enlighten me?

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    4. Re:Open network surcharge. by _xeno_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If it would let me use my phone's built-in GPS with Google Maps, sure I'd pay $150 extra for the phone. If I were allowed to transfer applications between phones, sure it'd be worth it.

      The reason my phone doesn't allow Google Maps access to the GPS is because Sprint sells a similar service for $10/month. So if the phone lasts more than 15 months, it would have been worth it.

      Add in other locked down features (can't email photos from the phone, can't easily copy files off the phone, etc.) and it would be easily worth paying an extra $150 to get full access to the phone.

      'Course, your question was really "would most people shell out an additional $150" and I have to admit the answer is almost certainly no.

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    5. Re:Open network surcharge. by Vegeta99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right now, AT&T is "Open" in the fact that you can bring a device to them that operates on the US 1900MHz and 850MHz GSM bands, and purchase a SIM card for service without a contract.

      Verizon says that you can bring a CDMA handset to their network, I'm not sure with contract or not.

  8. Are US numbers portable? by bogaboga · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    In my case, I would like to know whether US cell phone numbers are portable. That is to say; can one have a number say 123-456-7890 in Detroit pegged to carrier ABC switch to another carrier and still retain the same number 123-456-7890?

    1. Re:Are US numbers portable? by techpawn · · Score: 1

      Yes and has been for some time

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    2. Re:Are US numbers portable? by ShawnCplus · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, it's been offered for a few years now. Though not every carrier offers it.

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    3. Re:Are US numbers portable? by techpawn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Under the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC's) "local number portability" (LNP) rules, so long as you remain in the same geographic area, you can switch telephone service providers and keep your existing phone number. If you are moving from one geographic area to another, however, you may not be able to take your number with you. These rules have applied for some time to wireless and most traditional, wireline telephone companies. In addition, the FCC recently extended the LNP rules to interconnected Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers and determined that the rules would also apply to small wireline telephone companies that have not been granted waivers from the rules by their state public utility commissions. Therefore, subscribers remaining in the same geographic area can now switch from a wireless, wireline, or VoIP company to any other wireless, wireline, or VoIP company and still keep their existing phone numbers.

      No they ALL have to

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    4. Re:Are US numbers portable? by e4g4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Umm - as of ~3 years ago, all cell phone carriers operating in the US are required by the FCC to allow numbers to be ported to and from other providers. The same is true of local (landline) phone numbers as of ~10 years ago. It is not yet true of VoIP. Mind you the cell carriers don't actually have to implement it until someone asks for a port - but when they do, they must comply.

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  9. Re:USA is owned by the corps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Get over it. Bend over, take it up the dirt box and cease your moaning.


    Your first two statements would seem to contradict the third one.
  10. Re:USA is owned by the corps by Bryansix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, you are wrong. Not about the USA being run by greedy corporations but in what our response should be when a corporation steps over the line. You see it is not always the most profitable to do what is most profitable in the short term. That is the lesson we need to teach corporations. When they alienate their customers by treating them like trash or worse like criminals (RIAA can you hear me now?) then the consumers need to respond by taking business elsewhere and raising public awareness. This will ensure that such moves are not profitable and then even their stockholders will demand that they stop being such greedy bastards with a short view of the future and look more at how they can foster a good relationship with their customers in the long term.

  11. The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by zymano · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And not leased to businesses that prices propped and want spectrum hoarded to prevent competition.

    THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE.

    Open the frequencies. Create a wireless open network. Install public towers if necessary.

    Public deserves atleast a lowcost emergency phone which doesn't need the monthly and yearly contract slavery.

    1. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by donutello · · Score: 4, Informative

      Public deserves atleast a lowcost emergency phone which doesn't need the monthly and yearly contract slavery.

      This already exists. Pick up any used cellphone from any carrier. They will always allow you to make 911 calls regardless of whether or not you are under contract. If you mean emergencies that don't involve calling 911, you can buy a prepaid phone card which will allow you to do the same without having any sort of contract or annual fee.

      You should try to gain a better understanding of the problem before you try to propose solutions to it.

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    2. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by Aqualung812 · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you mean emergencies that don't involve calling 911, you can buy a prepaid phone card which will allow you to do the same without having any sort of contract or annual fee.

      Please point me to a prepaid plan where the minutes don't expire. Every one I have found expires after a few months, creating a de-facto annual fee.

      Do you have the better understanding you said the OP did not have?

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    3. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by zymano · · Score: 1

      What about contacting a towing company or police ?

    4. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      When you buy those minutes, the cell company has to provision their network to be able to provide you with that service. In other words, if you buy, say, 100 minutes of airtime, the company has to have the capacity to reasonably serve you that 100 minutes of air time, *weather or not you use it.*

      So, if those minutes don't expire, they have to continually pay to be ready for you to use them, without any sort of recurring revenue.

      Here's an example: stale-dated cheques. Lets say you write me a cheque for $50. I have some amount of time, usually three to six months, to cash that cheque. If I try to cash it during that time, and you don't have the funds to cover it, you've done a bad thing. But what if there was no 'expiry' on that cheque? I could cash it a year, ten years, twenty years down the road, and you're required to have the funds sitting there to cover it. That's not cool.

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    5. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1
      Ok, that explains *why* they expire the minutes (although I don't quite buy it), but I wasn't asking why.

      The OP's point was that there needs to be free spectrum, and then the GP post explained that you could get pre-paid without an annual fee. That doesn't seem to be correct, and your post supports that.

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    6. Re:The Spectrum should be democratic and FREE by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      No, the GP post said that you could use any cell phone to call 911 without that phone actually being subscribed or activated to a carrier. In response to your 'Public deserves atleast a lowcost emergency phone which doesn't need the monthly and yearly contract slavery.'

      He took 'emergency' to mean 'can dial 911,' where you probably meant it as 'need to call Grandma and tell her I'll be late so she doesn't worry'.

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  12. Greed is OK because it is how business works? by FatSean · · Score: 1

    That seems to be the heart of your 'argument'. Greed is not good, Gordon.

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    1. Re:Greed is OK because it is how business works? by DrEldarion · · Score: 1

      Greed is not good, Gordon. Why not? You do realize that tons of advances in tons of fields get made only because the people who make them want to earn bucketloads of money, right?

      Greed spurs innovation. Many of these advances wouldn't have been developed without the promise of money once they're complete.
    2. Re:Greed is OK because it is how business works? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      then why do catholics think of greed as one of the seven deadly sins?

      yes i do see the irony of the worlds only city state claiming greed is bad.

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    3. Re:Greed is OK because it is how business works? by Zanix · · Score: 1

      To some degree, yes. But without competition, there is no incentive to truly innovate, merely to change slightly and resell. Look at Windows. What was the difference between Win95 and Win98? Win95 took less space and crashed less? Things like Linux and Firefox have forced Microsoft to take action to try and truly make their product better because if it continue to be a buggy blue screen of death memory and hard drive eating POS, people finally will stop buying it. They made WinXP well enough that people are asking why they should upgrade. To keep earning money, Microsoft is going to have to work on innovation. Greed is what drives the Producer to produce. Competition is what gives the consumer better products.

  13. Vonage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone get Vonage's opinion on how open and fair the competition is?

  14. weird by oxyelki · · Score: 1

    carriers take about half of premium sms cost (imagine visa charging 50% on each transaction) and at the same time they are protecting themselves against competition by reducing amount of premium sms they process?? reminds me of a dinosaur munching on his left foot who doesn't feel the pain yet as it takes time to travel in his long and stupid body.

  15. read about that one.... by zogger · · Score: 1

    ...it's called the Homersaurus IIRC

  16. What are cellular carriers doing in banking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I can to some extent understand the carriers blocking alternative phone plans, that is kind of logical competitive behavior. But what on earth is AT&T doign in banking? It would seem more logical to have an open system where all banks can talk to all phones -- that is a great way to drive traffic, and traffic is what a cellular carrier should thrive on.

    For someone from Europe, the idea that cell carriers do these kinds of shenanigans is just amazing. Here, you can buy a phone with no contract, pop in your SIM, and off you go. And banking is done over WAP or HTTP in the phone's browser -- which can access anything on the 'net without restrictions. If I want to get the latest Nokia, I can. And paying 600 USD for a phone makes perfect sense if you know you can keep it for a few years, have bragging rights, and choose and cheap plan for it.

    The US model is just so strange, fortunately it seems like the exception from the rule.

    1. Re:What are cellular carriers doing in banking? by Lord+Lemur · · Score: 1

      AT&T is in banking because there is a metric fuckton of profits in banking transactions. Only suckers rely on intrest when you can charge per-transaction fees, monthly acess fees, data plan fees, fees to institutions... oh and lock customers in to a propritery network.

  17. Misleading title and summary by Frank+Battaglia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article is about "short codes" for text messaging (e.g., "Text 105312 to vote for the next American Idol!"). The telcos are slow to approve new short codes. This has little, if anything, to do with open network access.

    Illustrative example: The wired phone network is an open-access network (i.e., you can call whomever you want using whatever phone you want and transmit whatever data you want), but that doesn't mean the phone company has to give me a 3-digit access number (ala 911, 411, etc) if I ask for one. This article is stupid.

  18. Better Summary by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why US Wireless Isn't Wide Open


    Because the field is completely dominated by huge corporations with great influence in Washington, free markets are incapable of demolishing, and in fact work in favor of monopolies, people are too apathetic to learn, let alone do anything about it, too scared of offending the corpogoverment and worst of all, too resentful of each other to believe they can work together for their mutual benefit.
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    But... the future refused to change.
  19. Customer focus vs competition focus by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
    The theoretical benefit of capitalism is that competing companies are falling over each other trying to out do eachother by providing better service etc, thus capitalism is good for the customer.

    The truth though is that in many companies are not customer focused, but competitor focused, expending more effort in body-slamming the competition than improving their goods/services. In these cases the customers are very definitely not advantaged.

    As with most ideologies, captialism is not good or bad of itself. The goodness or badness comes from how the game is played.

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    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  20. Then why not sell crack? by big_paul76 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here, here. I can't stand this idea that by saying "it's just business" you get to absolve yourself of any discussion of ethics. People are essentially asserting that, by saying 'it's just intelligent business' that you ought to be able to operate in an atmosphere of applied amorality.

    As much as many of his stuff annoys the hell out of me, Michael Moore had a line one time about "why doesn't Chrysler sell crack?"

    When a company does something unethical, they say they have not just a right but a responsibility to maximize return for shareholders. So, if that's all that matters, why not sell crack? Or heroin, or Russian hookers, for that matter?

    The obvious answer is that we as a society have decided (granted this is not perfect) that certain behaviors are so harmful or immoral or unethical that we say "nobody is allowed to do this", which is perfectly reasonable in a democracy.

    Now, we could have a lot of room for debate over what exactly should or should not be allowed, but I'm sick and tired of people taking the approach that businesses should operate in a morality/ethics-free zone.

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    The plural form of "anecdote" is "anecdotes", not "evidence".
  21. Status Quo is Optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that a market free of government interference provides the best outcome for everyone. So, what we have in the cellular industry in the United States is the optimal state. Is somebody trying to blaspheme the unseen hand of the market?

  22. The Money Side of Closed Moible Garden Access by shareme · · Score: 0

    There is also a money barrier which majority occur in CDMA mobile operator areas. For example, Loopt to get access to GP Son Sprint networks including MVNOs has to give 85% of their revenue to Sprint for the honor of getting GPS access. Can you imagine the amount of the start ups that have to face this money obstacle.

    On the GSM operator side its less not because they are less mean but because the GSM network is different and thus less access blocking opportunities.

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    Fred Grott(aka shareme) http://mobilebytes.wordpress.com
  23. Just who's botnets are hacking my wireless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just who's botnets are hacking my wireless two minutes after I turn it on?

  24. Why isn't *YOUR* house open for me to use? by TonyXL · · Score: 1

    Why isn't *YOUR* house open for me to use?