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Burying a Mainframe In Style

coondoggie writes "Some users have gone to great lengths to dispose of their mainframes but few have gone this far. On November 21, 2007, the University of Manitoba said goodbye to its beloved mainframe computer by holding a New Orleans-style jazz funeral for its 47-year-old IBM 650, Betelgeuse. In case you were wondering what an IBM 650's specifications were, according to this Columbia University site, the 650's CPU was 5ft by 3ft by 6ft and weighed 1,966 lbs, and rented for $3200 per month. The power unit was 5x3x6 and weighed 2,972 pounds. The card reader/punch weighed 1,295 pounds and rented for $550/month. The memory was a rotating magnetic drum with 2000-word capacity (10 digits and sign) and random access time of 2.496 ms. For an additional $1,500/month you could add magnetic core memory of 60 words with access time of .096ms. Big Blue sold some 2,000 of the mainframes, making it one of the first successfully mass-produced computers."

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  1. Why recycle it? by odsock · · Score: 5, Funny

    It deserved a burial at C!

    1. Re:Why recycle it? by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "It deserved a burial at C!"

      Not to worry, just say it's name three times, and it will come back to life!!

      "Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse"

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  2. and in its place... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > It leaves behind some 25 servers that are now needed
    > to run these systems

    25 servers that will have to be taken offline for patches,
    hardware upgrades, error analysis, disk failures, subnet
    changes...

    25 servers that will require a dozen admin staff and ongoing
    per-instance support contracts with hardware and software
    vendors.

    25 servers pulling a magnitude more power, requiring heavy-
    duty cooling and a bank of UPS.

    25 servers that will be decommissioned in three years at
    ``end of life''.

    This is progress.

    1. Re:and in its place... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      A second helping of desert.

    2. Re:and in its place... by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Informative
      The box they actually "buried" (note, this is a journalistic misrepresentation - it was scrapped, not buried. The metals make it far too valuable to merely throw away) was a 60MIPS bottom of the range Amdahl. At current rates of conversion, that corresponds to about 4 or 5 modern PCs.

      Typically a datacentre will have 1 admin person on shift for every 800-1200 PC type servers, as opposed to the specialised staff that a mainframe needs.

      The servers need the same quality of power, cooling, maintenance, security and monitoring that a mainframe does, so there's very little difference - except you can place the servers in a single rack, using a fraction of the floorspace.

      Also, mainframes too are usually replaced on a 3 - 5 year cycle in most places simply for economic reasons. New tech is faster, cheaper, more reliable and supportable. The story gives the impression that the university got rid of a 47 year old mainframe - they didn't. The box they "buried" was less than 10 years old and the nonsense about card readers and monthly rental costs is completely irrelevant to the removal of the Amdahl - it would never have any of these attributes.

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    3. Re:and in its place... by Alioth · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you read TFA, you'll find the mainframe they were decommissioning WAS modern - it was installed in 2005. What the funeral was for was for the line of mainframes, not a 45 year old machine still in service.

  3. Kudos by Martian_Kyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to the guy(or girls and guys) who did this. Any machine that has been in service or at least functional for 47 years, deserves this kind of respect and this kind of send off.

    Yes, i know it's only a machine, and it has no feelings. But this is a respectful send off, and 'job well done, thank you' to all people who were involved in designing, maintaining and producing this mainframe.

    Plus...it's a very cool..and sounds like fun.

    1. Re:Kudos by supersnail · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as I can work out from the article what survived for 47 years was the server name and the applications.

      " in its final incarnation as an Amdahl Millienium 1050.."

      There is a lot of mention of IMS which wasnt available till the 1970s so all in all
      this is a pretty standard history for any mainframe site. (apart from actually replacing the
      mainframe which hardly ever happens).

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    2. Re:Kudos by Martian_Kyo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeh, you are quite right.
      I dug around the article and links in it a little more, came to the server timeline/history

      1960 IBM 650 / IBM 1401 (Punched cards)
      1965 IBM 360/50 / IBM 1401 (funded by NRC)
      1970 IBM 360/65 / IBM 360/40 (first IMS applications)
      1975 IBM 370/168
      1980 Amdahl V7
      1985 Amdahl 580 and V7
      1990 IBM 3090-600
      1995 Amdahl 5890-300
      2000 Amdahl Millennium 415
      2005 Amdahl Millennium 1015

      Still a nice gesture, once again, mostly cause of the people who worked with it, than the machine itself.

  4. a bit of accurate reporting would be nice by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    OK, this box might have started life in 1960 as an IBM, but it hasn't been one of those for many, many years. Like all good product lines IBM and Ahdahl have provided upgrade paths, so it stopped being it's original configuration before most slashdotters were born. I doubt that it has any of it's original parts left - not even the power plug.

    In fact a Millenium 1015 is quite a recent mainframe - introduced in 2000, (hence the name) although the 1015 is the bottom of the range unit with just a single processor.

    It would be nice if reporters actually researched this story instead of merely cat'n'pasting the whimsical and completely inaccurate press release.

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  5. #9, Cray-1 in Stockholm by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Swedish National Museum of Science and Technology put the first Cray 1 sold in Sweden on display yesterday (18 Dec 2007). It has the serial number 9!

    While not as old as the IBM machine, Cray always had a special aura of super-duper-power-ueber-performance to me. -

  6. Metric System by filbranden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Manitoba is in Canada. As in the rest of the civilized world, we use the metric system over here.

    the 650's CPU was 1.52m by 91cm by 1.83m and weighed 892kg, and rented for $3200 per month. The power unit was 1.52x0.91x1.83m and weighed 1348kg. The card reader/punch weighed 587kg and rented for $550/month.

    Sorry about the rant, but I'm fed up about these brain dead measurement units used by only a minority of only three unimportant countries around the world. Time to wake up.

    The prices should be in Canadian Dollars as well, then it's a little cheaper than what TFA says. :-)

  7. Aah - mainframes by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can remember sitting in on an IT meeting at a place where I was contracting (doing Netware Support) where one guy had to report back on his efforts to sell an old IBM Mainframe System that spanned the entire length of the computer room. The system had been replaced by this tiny, shiny, black AS400 that sat in the corner.

    "Best so far is about £2000" said the man.

    "You can only get £2000 for all that equipment!?" said the astonished IT Director.

    "No", came the reply, "That's the cheapest to pay someone to strip it out and take it away!"

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  8. Re:Just wondering.... by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    Kid, this was a mainframe, not an abacus. It didn't have a handcrank, it had a boiler.

    It's probably still accurate to say it was operated by cranks though.

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  9. personal hw burial anecdote by psbrogna · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the mid 90's I picked up an old Vax 725 at auction for pocket change because it was filled to the gills with serial ports and was a cheap way to get a bunch of modem's on a T-1 (at the time we were experimenting with a local ISP business). When I moved out of the house, I left the Vax in the basement 'cause it was so heavy and no longer of any use to me. The house was torn down as soon as I moved out. Over the time I lived in the house I had annual lobster bakes; stoned filled pit in the ground, etc. Each year the pit was dug somewhere else in my yard, used and then covered over after the consumed lobster carcasses were tossed in. I can't help but wonder what some archeologist, 10,000 years from now, will think should they uncover the mass burial of probably close to 1,000 lobsters (20 yrs, ~50 /yr) on a 1/4 acre plot, 100 miles inland from the ocean, all arranged around a mishmash of old hardware, including the Vax. If I did not know the details I would find it very puzzling. Did the lobster operate a small NOC? Was it some sort of pilgrimage for them? Was ritual crustacean sacrifice common in the early stages of the internet?