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Solar System Date of Birth Determined

Invisible Pink Unicorn writes "UC Davis researchers have dated the earliest step in the formation of the solar system — when microscopic interstellar dust coalesced into mountain-sized chunks of rock — to 4,568 million years ago, within a range of about 2,080,000 years. In the second stage, mountain-sized masses grew quickly into about 20 Mars-sized planets and, in the third and final stage, these small planets smashed into each other in a series of giant collisions that left the planets we know today. The dates of these intermediary stages are well established. The article abstract is available from Astrophysical Journal Letters."

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  1. Profound...(All we are is dust in the wind) by nebaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To think that the span of a human life is at best about 1/250 millionth of that cycle. Light from distant stars does eventually get here, it just happens on timescales that are beyond imagination.
    Such a shame that we occupy such a small blink in the process, and can't witness cosmic events on any larger a level.

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    1. Re:Profound...(All we are is dust in the wind) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, you have it backwards. It is not a shame that our lives are short. I find it inspiring that we have come so far despite this shortness, and we have built instruments that let us actually see all those cosmic events, and even put them in perspective ;)

    2. Re:Profound...(All we are is dust in the wind) by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To think that the span of a human life is at best about 1/250 millionth of that cycle.

      On nth other hand, consider that by living well into old age, one can have lived through almost 2% of recorded human history. That's a lot, really. So if you chose correctly, it would only take about 50 people to have lived at the time that everything happened.

      Just shows in how short a time humans have become what we are.

  2. 4,568 million years divided by 7 days by JustCallMeRich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can we break those intermediate steps into seven phases or so and declare each of those a "day", get a copy to the Pope, and settle this whole religion versus science mess now? Or at least build some bridges for the Bible folks and the Science folks to agree to something that makes a little more sense?

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    1. Re:4,568 million years divided by 7 days by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Psst...it's all the offshoots (I'm looking at you, Baptists) that are causing problems. The Catholic church is rather keen on astronomy an evolution nowadays. Not so much on the gays and condoms, but it's a start.

    2. Re:4,568 million years divided by 7 days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One man says "it is right to protect the children." The other says "it is right to kill three a day." We should clearly compromise - no more then one child a day, two on weekends!

      But seriously. No, we can't. We don't compromise between a fiction and hard fact just because lots of people happen to believe the fiction.

    3. Re:4,568 million years divided by 7 days by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I find bizarre is that religion is not considered a form of mental illness in the US.

      Yeah, me too. I wish anyone who thinks or acts differently from me in a way I disapprove would be considered mentally ill, just like the homosexuals back in the day.

      Tolerance? What the fuck is that?! I brainwash a Jesus-freak and go get a six-pack. On an unrelated note, why do some many people in this country don't like atheists like me? I don't get it..

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    4. Re:4,568 million years divided by 7 days by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they've [fundamentalists] already decided it was 7 literal days and nothing will convince them otherwise. The belief in biblical "days" being symolic of being "eras" of several hundred million year spans doesn't fit in with their literal reading of their holy books. Once that literal context disappears the entire framework of their belief system collapses.

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    5. Re:4,568 million years divided by 7 days by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is not that people "think or act differently from me in a way I disapprove". The problem is that people "think or act differently from me" in a way that can be actually harmful to me.

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  3. Why does the universe appear empty? by Dr_Banzai · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have you ever wondered why we haven't encountered intelligent life forms other than ourselves? An advanced race with regular slower-than-light starships would be able to colonize an entire galaxy within a few million years (barely an instant on a geological timescale). One possible explanation for our apparent solitude in the universe is that the number of planets with the proper conditions for developing life is vanishingly small. (Read about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox for other possibilities)

    For example Earth's moon creates tides (and tide pools) and stabilizes the earth's seasons and axial tilt. According to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis the Moon was created as a result of a chance collision between the proto-earth and a Mars-sized object. Without the presence of the Moon the conditions might have been too harsh to support life.

    As we learn more about how the solar system formed we will be better able to predict which stars might have life-bearing planets, so we can begin our own colonization of the galaxy (assuming humans can survive long enough to overcome war, disease and ecological destruction).

  4. Re:So many gifts..! by powerlinekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly I think the problem is in the way it was expressed. The margin of error looks better if they had stated:
    "...to 4,568 million years ago, within a range of about 2 million years"
    or
    "...to 4,568,000,000 years ago, within a range of about 2,080,000 years"

    Its easier to quickly compare the numbers against each other that way.

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  5. MAD is very scary. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thought of one such mentally ill leader having access to the largest stock of nuclear weapons in the world is... disturbing.

    It's supposed to be.

    The MAD doctrine deters nuclear war by threatening a retaliation that would likely bring down civilization and possibly end the human race and much of life on Earth.

    For it to work, US presidents have to put on a show, looking crazy enough that they'd actually do it - but sane enough that the won't shoot first and can be reasoned with on issues that otherwise would have been "solved" by the outcome of a war. (IMHO it's likely the term "Mutually Assured Destruction" was chosen at least partly for the acronym, to help put on this show. Psych warfare was pretty well developed by the start of the Cold War.)

    MAD is pretty terrifying. But it reversed the ongoing escalation of wars right after the bombs were proven to work under battle conditions (and two fried cities were substituted for the years of war that had been expected to be necessary to end the Japan part of WWII). It's been over half a century and no nukes have been used in war since those two.

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  6. Re:Move Right Along by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "This is the kind of unhelpful response that doesn't win any converts to your way of thinking."

    Scientists are frequently arrogant, perhaps because the validity of scientific findings are independent of whether or not you or anyone else agrees with them. Simply put, there's no real need for winning converts -- nor is it accurate to write it off as "a way of thinking".

  7. Re:01-01-1980 by ianezz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You mean the universe didn't start on 01-01-1980?

    No.

    $ perl -MPOSIX -e 'print ctime(0)'
    Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970
    $
  8. Re: was-it-on-a-monday dept. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It has had a pretty good uptime since then.

    Bah, that's easy when the majority of your system is just running their idle loops! Out of the whole dang system only one core has any active clients, and it's been starting to look a little flakey lately as the client process is gobbling up all the resources.

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