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Many Analog TV Watchers Aren't Aware of Upcoming Switchover

A recent poll of TV watchers shows that many Americans aren't aware the end times are coming for analog broadcast signals. "The survey found that the group most affected by the analog cutoff -- those with no cable or satellite service -- are most in the dark about what will happen to their sets: Only one-third of them had heard that their TVs are set to stop receiving programs. Of course, there are solutions. Congress is subsidizing the purchase of digital television receivers. And the cable TV industry is hoping that this will spur the last holdouts to buy pay TV."

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  1. Good time.. by therufus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...to start the family exercising to help beat obesity?

    If TV gets turned off on Americans, maybe it would be a good thing.

    And don't flame me. TV is the major issue with American obesity, particularly in children.

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    1. Re:Good time.. by giorgiofr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree. Quite on the contrary, I believe lazy people are attracted to TV, not the other way around. In other words, TV is the consequence, not the cause. I might be wrong, as I have no hard data on this.

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    2. Re:Good time.. by bhima · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not seeing it as one there not the other. I think it's both. Lazy are attracted to TV and the consequence is that they become even more lazy and ensnared in the TV culture / habit.

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    3. Re:Good time.. by LordSnooty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IF TV is a major cause of obesity, then the Internet, computing and videogaming must be contributors too. Perhaps "sedentary lifestyle" would be a better description?

    4. Re:Good time.. by drsquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And don't flame me. TV is the major issue with American obesity, particularly in children.
      I'm pretty sure that eating too much is the major issue with American obesity. You get just as fat sitting at the computer as you do in front of the TV.

      You can exercise all you want, but if you eat a 14" pizza for dinner washed down with ten pints of beer, and have a full fry up every breakfast, combined with KFC for lunch, you'll be obese.
    5. Re:Good time.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But, the statement, "they become even more lazy," would indicate that they are doing even less activity.

      It could also imply that they do little-to-no activity for longer periods of time, but this seems to obviously what the grandparent poster intended that I feel stupid having to point it out.

    6. Re:Good time.. by budgenator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A big chunk of the diet industry is pretty traditional nutritionally, and not whacko fringe elements like grapefruit diets, apple cider vinegar diets, Adkins ectera. The more traditional can get people to loose weight temporarily, get they always seem to return to their original weights so its aways wash, rinse repeat. Right now I should lose about 30 Lbs, yet I don't eat significantly less than people who should lose 300 Lbs. The relationship between excess body fat and the calorie intake/exercise is at best fuzzy.

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    7. Re:Good time.. by drsquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right now I should lose about 30 Lbs, yet I don't eat significantly less than people who should lose 300 Lbs.
      Yes, you do. You either overestimate what you eat, or underestimate what the morbidly obese eat.

      The relationship between excess body fat and the calorie intake/exercise is at best fuzzy.
      Fat is the body storing excess energy. A relationship doesn't get much clearer than that.
    8. Re:Good time.. by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The diet industry exists because dieting is difficult. Whether or
      not the process involved is simple or complex really isn't an issue.
      A calorie defecit is a contra-instinctive thing to subject yourself
      to. Your own body will tend to fight you every step of the way.

      Most americans simply don't have any will.

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    9. Re:Good time.. by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's pretty trivial to jack up our BMR.

      You exercise.

      That is why the phrase "diet and exercise is repeated so often".

      You burn extra energy doing whatever and then burn more as your body slowly idles back down over most of the next day.

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  2. You gotta be poor or rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Rich: no worries about money, because you have plenty. Poor: no worries about money, because the government will provide for you. Keep watching TV.

  3. This is the most hyped non-problem... by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As soon as TV stations themselves begin to worry about whether they will lose watchers, they will simply run commercials explaining to people how they can get *free* converter boxes from the government. TV is the one of the most effective communication mechanisms ever devised, after all. Problem solved.

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    1. Re:This is the most hyped non-problem... by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      ***As soon as TV stations themselves begin to worry about whether they will lose watchers, they will simply run commercials explaining to people how they can get *free* converter boxes from the government.***

      Have you seen one of those converter boxes? I haven't and I check every time I go to Best Buy or Circuit City. Not that they can't be built or won't eventually show up. But in adequate numbers? Betcha not.

      If Digital TV in the US were a project and I were in charge of it, I'd probably have my resume up to date and be actively looking for a new job. It has been late from the start. Roll out has been rescheduled once. We're 13 months from roll-out and there are way more problems than there ought to be:

      • The digital to analog TV converters that everyone knows are important aren't out there yet.
      • Many DTV transmitters (most of them here in the Champlain Valley) aren't on the air yet.
      • The stores are full of expensive digital TV sets, but I can't see much sign that many people are actually buying them. Only one of our friends has one and that is because their living room TV expired and they had to buy a replacement.
      • Hardly anyone is aware that the changeover is coming.
      • The economy is looking very green around the gills.
        • Energy prices are very high.
        • Mortgages in danger of becoming unavailable for many people -- including many who need to refinance.
        • Billions -- maybe trillions -- of imaginary dollars are evaporating as real estate prices drop nationwide.
        • Construction is pretty much dead.

        Who will buy a new TV set if their mortgage rate has reset to something they can not afford and there is one buyer for every five houses that folks are trying to unload?

      My projections for what they are worth (not much probably):

      • Chance of a smooth changeover on schedule -- maybe 5%
      • Chance of a changeover on schedule with a lot of problems -- 25%
      • Chance of another deferral of rollover -- 30%
      • Chance of a switch to rolling rollovers where analog is switched off piecemeal as market areas are deemed to be ready -- 20%
      • Chance that "they" will turn analog TV off and turn it back on to avoid being lynched -- 20%
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    2. Re:This is the most hyped non-problem... by Average · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The converters are nearly impossible to find (I have an older one) because of the federal government. They are implementing a $40 "coupon program" for them, starting in January. The market research decided that very few people were going to spend $60 a piece on a converter box, particularly while analog NTSC was still around. But, they would pay $20, particularly if they thought they were pulling one over on the government. Now, the manufacturers might have been able to sell them at $20 or $30, but wouldn't you rather make $60 or $70? So, they've been holding off on the production. There are hundreds of thousands of them being made in China right now and loaded onto cargo ships to be on your Wal-Mart shelf by February.

  4. Re:HD-TV by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Money, or so some think.
    What would be exquisitely funny is if they threw the whole upgrade party, and everyone just went on the internet instead.

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  5. If only... by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wish we'd done away with interlacing when the HD standards were being written.

    -jcr

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  6. Re:It's too early. by statemachine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not like people need 14 months to save up for a digital TV. A 'good enough' off-brand 32" TV runs $700 now, and it'll probably be more like $500 later.

    That's two or three months rent in many places -- with the matching lower pay.

  7. Re:It's too early. by tedrlord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The type of person that can spend $500 on a television set and doesn't have cable/satellite is probably not a big TV watcher.

    And I just want to point out that if Congress has to subsidize receivers to force this change along, it's probably not a good idea in the first place. And let me also point out that F*@& Congress for spending tax money on paying for unnecessary digital upgrades. Next they'll be buying everyone blue ray and HD-DVD players to fund the HD war. It's frustratingly ridiculous.

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  8. Re:There is always stupid people by Prod_Deity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can honestly do without tv. I get most of my news & entertainment online. The only way I will "switch over" is if cable companies drop their increased pay for HD channels. And to what someone else said about a tv for $700, some people have bills to pay & a family to feed. We can't drop that kind of cash at one time. Maybe with an income tax return, but we'll see when the time comes.

  9. Re:There is always stupid people by fortunato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So what exactly did all those people who couldn't afford TV's when they first came out do? Wow they must have suffered a great deal. :/

  10. Re:There is always stupid people by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are people that can't afford cable TV still.

    A dish with 2 LNBs is about 60 bucks.
    To the mods: my comment was absolutely not meant as flamebait: there are enough alternatives if you still HAVE to watch TV. Tech has to go on, and analog TV (IMHO) just has to die.
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  11. Re:There is always stupid people by mr_matticus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The government doesn't care if you buy a digital TV.

    They want the spectrum, and frankly carrying dead weight for some dinosaur broadcast stations is a waste of time. If they don't have a strategy for switching to digital broadcasting, then away they go. Too bad, so sad, welcome to the business world.

    Viewership declines because the content sucks compared to other sources (movies, cable, Internet, etc.). That's the long and the short of it. People who can't afford cable aren't going to have any measurable impact on that.

  12. '*free* converter boxes..." by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    really?

    I thought basic economics and government courses were requisites in public schools these days.

    Of course, TANSTAAFL. The national government will be taking tax dollars from people, taking an administrative cut, then turning around and giving it back to pay exclusively for converter boxes. The net effect is the US national government is screwing with free markets and funding (mostly overseas) consumer electronics companies.

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  13. Oh blow it out your ass by mr_matticus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It totally sucks that the government regulates things! Air traffic control? Psh. Waste of money. A road system that ensures transcontinental travel is always possible? Where did they get THAT power? Long distance electric transmission lines? Let the flooded cities do without power! They can just rebuild their shit--without power!

    Christ.

    You act like designating sections of the spectrum for certain uses, which is in EVERYONE'S benefit, is some arbitrary intrusion into your bedroom. Digital cameras don't transmit high power EM energy across dozens of square miles.

  14. Re:It's too early. by Dhalka226 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I just want to point out that if Congress has to subsidize receivers to force this change along, it's probably not a good idea in the first place.

    That's because you think it is for the benefit of television viewers, or even broadcasters. It is not. They simply want the spectrum that these broadcasts are currently going out on back, with their relatively long wavelengths, for things like cellular service or long-range (municipal?) wireless networks.

    With the way both of these services are growing, I happen to think it's a good idea for a relatively small cost.

  15. TVs themselves dont cost much by MSDos-486 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm seeing alot of people throughing around high prices for TVs. First of all poor people can have TVs too, they may be 10 year old TVs but TVs none the less, TV sets are so commonplace there more or less free, if your not looking for anything fancy. Besides if all those media companies want there customers to keep watching why don't they just send them free converter boxes.

  16. Irony by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Picture quality improves... content degrades.

    Who will be voted off the Island? As long as you keep watching, you are on the Island.

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    1. Re:Irony by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Picture quality improves... content degrades. I think you might be forgetting the kind of content TV used to have.

      90% of everything is crap, but we tend to remember the good stuff, so 90% of old stuff seems good.
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  17. Re:There is always stupid people by Franklin+Brauner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why should you have to pay anything at all for television? How is it that we as a nation became convinced that we should pay for television? Something that was once totally free (except for the price of a tv), now has a charge attached to it. If you ask me, it's not the people in rural areas who watch analog tv that are the stupid ones. It's all of us who drank the kool-aid.

  18. I had the opposite impression by PigBoyOhBoy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I don't watch TV, but I just won a cheapo 19" WalMart TV (worth $120) in an office drawing and was startled to realize it supported both analog and digital service. I bought a pair of rabbit ears and set out to see how it would work in my apartment in rural Massachusetts (over 50 miles from Boston). To my utter amazement, I received many digital broadcasts almost perfectly while the analog channels were plagued by snow and interference that made them unbearable. Furthermore, the picture quality was stunning. Even though the set is "SDTV", the difference in quality between analog and digital was huge. All these years I've been fed propaganda telling me that over the air HDTV would require fancy antennas, but it turns out to be a BIG LIE. Between Netflix and broadcast HDTV, why would anyone want cable or satellite TV unless they are literally in the middle of nowhere?

    Of course, there's STILL nothing worth watching. Bah! Humbug!

  19. Oh, you mean Television? by Prototerm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't that something they had back in the late Twentieth Century? You know, before Bit Torrent and the Internet?

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  20. Re:HD-TV by samwh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You sadly are not wrong. I can't get PBS digitally while I can get it analoglly (is that a word?)...

  21. Do without by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, do without TV. I thought this was an outrageous notion myself, until I did it.
    For me there were numerous benefits:

    1. I had more free time, that I never even realized I was spending. Sometimes *five or six hours*, or even more.
    2. I quit smoking. Because I wasn't sitting idly, I stopped chain-smoking. Almost by accident.
    3. ROOM! I needed room for a grand piano in my house, but never thought I had it. The space occupied by a TV screen, together with the line-of-sight and the seating, is a *huge* investment of real estate. Get rid of it and re-think your room arrangement. You might have ten square meters you never considered before.

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  22. There is always stupid people...on "/.". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Most "if they didn't want me to do this, then they should do this" fall apart when confronted with reality. For example; "if they didn't want me to recieve broadcasting then they would have encrypted the signal". Reality; "pirate satellite boxes". "If they didn't want me to enjoy content in my country then they should use CSS". Reality; "DeCSS". "If they didn't want me to pirate then they should use DRM". Reality"piratebay". Whatever happen to common sense* and self control were you didn't need a technological let alone legal solution to "tell you what not to do"? Plus if you read the post above yours there's someone trying to turn this into a "my rights" argument without a firm understanding of "rights" (and responsabilities) and "society".

    *Common sense like an nderstanding of physics for starters.

  23. Re:That's just par for the course by Dunkirk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ah, but that's the beauty of the system. As was intended, LET THE STATES HANDLE IT. The Constitution only provided for matters dealing BETWEEN states. From welfare to education, et. al., the STATES should be deciding on what to do where the Constitution is silent.* The states would then compete in a free-market sort of way for residents and business. Then the best ways of doing things would be evident. Also, where necessary, some states may cater to certain things.

    (* Or amend it.)

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  24. Re:HD-TV by bee-17 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lots of people in areas that got nothing on analog are getting perfect signals as soon as they switch to a digital receiver I cannot believe that unless those people live in places without trees and perfect weather (i.e., Southern California), or unless they are also installing new aerial antennas.

    I've tried to use OTA DTV for the past two years. Usually it's great, but the signal dies in even marginal weather (the so-called "digital cliff"). I live within 15 miles of the broadcast towers. I've tried powered, directional antennas and mapped out the best orientation for each signal. I've tried outside antennas in different places. Nothing has helped. From what I've read, the only solution is to erect an antenna taller than the nearby trees -- and that's still no guarantee.

    Analog TV has always been the old reliable standby. Crouched in the basement with tornado sirens blaring, you could always get a fuzzy picture with reasonable audio even if you were 50 miles from a broadcast tower.

    Who is looking out for the public interest? What about the 22 million people relying on analog OTA as their primary television reception? What about the 28 million digital satellite subscribers who use analog OTA as a backup when their satellite signals go down?

    The biggest proponents of the digital OTA change seem to be...

    1. digerati who don't use or care about analog OTA and who are drooling over the prospects of spectrum reuse
    2. government who has already spent the revenue from the spectrum auction
    3. the cable companies, who see this as a windfall (buy cable stock if you can; 2009 will be their best year ever)
    I find it ironic that the analog OTA retirement is snuggly wrapped in a blanket of post-9/11 patriotism since some of reclaimed spectrum will be used for emergency communications. In fact, analog OTA retirement will shutter the most successful and widely-used emergency broadcast mechanism history has ever seen.

    Maybe if every member of congress should be forced to switch to digital OTA....

  25. Re:They should leave an emergency analog channel by hawaiian717 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What about radio? It seems like radio would have less power demands (no picture to decode and display); in fact you can get radios that are hand cranked so you can recharge the battery with no electricity. I haven't heard anything about plain old AM/FM analog radio going away anytime soon, though I have heard occasional mentions of "HD Radio".

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