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Linux And Unix Devices Popular On Amazon's 'Best of '07' List

christian.einfeldt writes "Computers and handheld devices running default GNU Linux or Unix OSes have swept Amazon's 'best of' list for 2007, according BusinessWire.com for 28 December 2007. Best selling computer? The Nokia Internet Tablet PC, running Linux. Best reviewed computer? The Apple MacBook Pro notebook PC. Most wished for computer? Asus Eee 4G-Galaxy 7-inch PC mobile Internet device, which comes with Xandros Linux pre-installed. And last, but not least, the most frequently gifted computer: The Apple MacBook notebook PC."

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  1. Im Linux by canuck57 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Linux is cute.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufL76bXLAg

  2. Asus Eee very popular in Australia by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sold out in Myer stores (the only retailer) within a couple of days of the initial release. I read reports of schools buying them by the dozen and families buying one for each member of the family.

    The last I heard they were getting more in just before Christmas but a lot of those had been pre-sold in December. I don't think Linux is a negative for the people who buy this product. They like the fact that it has open office out of the box, which is a bigger money saver than the OS.

  3. EEEPC... by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Funny

    Currently, the first review of the EEE PC is from someone who installed windows XP on it. (A great little Windows computer!!).

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    1. Re:EEEPC... by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      half a gig of ram is easilly enough for XP to run pretty smoothly provided it is not loaded down with crap. The CPU is slow by todays standards but not that slow by the standards of when XP came out.

      The impression I get is that the big name linux desktops (kde and gnome) are just as bloated if not more so than XP.

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  4. Swept != Won most of. by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Do all of these run Linux or Unix:
    • Apple 4 GB iPod nano (3rd Generation)
    • Nintendo Wii
    • Suunto T6 Wristop personal trainer with heart rate monitor
    • Accutire MS-4350B programmable digital tire gauge
    • Garmin nüvi 350 3.5-inch portable GPS navigator
    • Actron PocketScan diagnostic code reader
    • Jakks EyeClops Bionic Eye
    • Canon PowerShot A570IS 7.1MP digital camera


    If you take the definition of "electronics" to be anything that has a microprocessor, ram, program storage, and I/O, then all of these would be "electronics", but I don't think any of them run Linux. I might be wrong, and some of them might run Linux, but I am sure that at least one of them doesn't.

    If the Canon A570IS ran a GPLd OS, that would be awesome to modify that so that I can do things that Canon hadn't thought of or doesn't want users to be able to do, like time-lapse, recording RAW, changing the menu system, etc...

    Yes, there are a lot of devices running Linux or Unix on the Amazon "Best-Of" list, but it isn't a sweep unless you mean "computers", but even then the line gets fuzzy.
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  5. At last, and end to "Year of the Linux Desktop" by rbrander · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now, the "Linux Desktop" fantasists can finally let it go. There will be no "year of the Linux desktop", just as there will be no "year of the Linux mainframe".

    Like the $1,000,000 "mainframe", the DEC $100,000 "minicomputer", and the Sun $10,000 Unix "workstation", each major generation had its most-popular software environment, the one with highest network effects.

    Pushing for a change in the desktop from Windows to Mac or Linux is, in 10 years, going to seem like striving to continue the VMS vs Unix wars on the VAX platform.

    What 2008, 2009, and 2010 are going to be are the "years where appliances took over half the desktop functions" - you still want a big monitor and ergo keyboard to Photoshop, do development of web pages and code, and so on. But people sitting right at their desktop will whip out their paperback-sized appliance to do E-mail and chat, because that's where their communication apps live.

    And, yes, those new appliances will mostly run Linux. What else?

    All the hot new developers and innovative companies are not going to hogtie themselves to proprietary platforms like Windows and Mac; they've tossed themselves out of the running by their lack of freedom. They can put out their own product entries, sure -- but as Bill Joy said, most of the smart people in the world don't work for you.

    1. Re:At last, and end to "Year of the Linux Desktop" by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      And, yes, those new appliances will mostly run Linux. What else?

      The funny bit is that even the openmoko makes it a pain to run a different OS. On a PC you just set the BIOS to boot from an external device and off you go. On all handheld devices you have to take a punt on re-flashing the bootstrap in eprom. Get it wrong and the device is bricked.

      I don't see why these devices should not support pc-like behaviour.

    2. Re:At last, and end to "Year of the Linux Desktop" by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >And, yes, those new appliances will mostly run Linux. What else?

      Oh i dont know everything else in the mobile world? If linux on the desktop is dead, and it surely is compared to the predictions Ive read here and elsewhere, then linux on the mobile is even more dead. Windows mobile, blackberry os, osx, android, etc. Companies dont want to hand out their code and they have enough resources to build their own OSs. FOSS isnt as attractive as you think it is for these financial behemoths. THey can easily roll their own and have every incentive to do so.

    3. Re:At last, and end to "Year of the Linux Desktop" by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Informative

      linux on the mobile is even more dead. Windows mobile, blackberry os, osx, android

      Android is Linux. OSX is BSD. Apple hardware is locked down, not the OS.

    4. Re:At last, and end to "Year of the Linux Desktop" by wytcld · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. And even for the long-time Linux desktop user, the Eee is seductively useful. I've no use for full-sized laptops, which are big and heavy enough that I still end up sitting as if at a desktop. The Eee, by contrast, handles like a paperback book, which allows getting much more comfortable - a comfort that for many uses makes up for the loss of a large desktop screen. I'd been using a Zaurus clamshell (pocket sized) for a couple of years for note taking and remote sysadmin in a pinch. But it wasn't quite enough for full use. The Eee, though, has a screen just large enough (with very good color and brightness) and a keyboard that, while small, a well-over-6-foot guy like finds just fine for touch typing. Plus, when you want to use standard *nix utilities, the Linux versions (most Debian stuff installs fine on this) are far better featured than those that come with OS X. This is a brilliant product, and would be at twice the price.

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  6. Mod parent down, -1 bullshit by Winckle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple have 3 models of Macbook, and 3 of Pro, each of which have a separate amazon listing.

    1. Re:Mod parent down, -1 bullshit by Winckle · · Score: 4, Funny

      He lies, I point out the lie, and I get modded down, he gets modded up. Wtf.

  7. A matter of time by bmartin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's simply a matter of time before Unix-based operating systems become the de-facto standard in portable electronics. Companies may be able to leverage their skills in their native markets (i.e., MS on the PC), but the portability of Linux makes it a no-brainer for royalty-free devices. FOSS's agnostic approach to interfacing with other technologies makes it ideal in attaining the interoperability desired by consumers. Let's share our good ideas so that others may benefit from them.

    I, for one, welcome our new agnostic overlords.

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  8. What? No Vista? by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Amazing. There is not a single mention of MS Vista anywhere on those Amazon lists.

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  9. How about the OLPC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As far as I can tell, the olpc blows the Nokia internet tablet pc out of the water.

    The trouble with Amazon is that it will naturally focus on stuff you can buy. Here is Groklaw's review of the olpc. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20071223132431291

    My gripe with the Nokia is battery life. My wife's Blackberry goes for days without charging. It has a keyboard (sort of). The Nokia is reported as getting only a couple of hours under heavy use.

    Apparently the buy one, give one, program for the olpc is available until the end of the year. I'm sorely tempted. Of course it runs linux and even its bios is open source. The only thing holding me back is two kids in university. AARGH!

    1. Re:How about the OLPC? by Bloater · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > As far as I can tell, the olpc blows the Nokia internet tablet pc out of the water.

      But it doesn't blow the Nokia IT out of my pocket where it very neatly fits.

  10. Re:ouch! by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 2, Informative

    From what I know the screen can be updated reasonably quickly (because movies can play smoothly) but from what I can also gather is that this only occurs once the device clocks itself to 400mhz and talks directly to the lower graphics driver.

    I am not afraid of direct hardware knocking but think I need to get lower than python+gtk to get there.

    http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#SWDecomposition

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  11. Re:Statistics and Lies by kupekhaize · · Score: 2, Informative

    The poster below is correct; Apple has several models of both computers:

    13" 2.0 Ghz White Macbook
    13" 2.2 Ghz White Macbook
    13" 2.2 Ghz Black Macbook

    15" 2.2 Ghz Macbook Pro
    15" 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro
    17" 2.4 Ghz Macbook Pro

    Each one has a separate marketing part number and get recorded separately during sales. The thing to keep in mind is that there are still probably a lot less models available then Dell or Acer or Hp machines, and so the numbers are still likely to be artificially inflated but not as much as the OP indicates.

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  12. Re:Asus Eee to equal Mac sales in 2008 by abigor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, everyone I know who has bought one (around five people) has installed XP on it. I'd guess lots of others are doing the same.

  13. love my Nokia N800!!! w00t! by bball99 · · Score: 2, Informative

    - interesting device using Deb-like app management... found some Fink scripts on board after installing ssh...

    - what's not to like?

    FM receiver built in w/automagic polling of station lists based on zipcode!
    web cam/camera built in
    video playback (nearly any codec - dunno about QT though)
    mp3 playback
    pdf, MS .doc, text reading
    web browsing
    touch screen
    two SDHC slots
    USB (albeit non-powered)
    bluetooth keyboard support (nearly any model AFAIK - i'm getting an Apple!)
    GPS support for external BT GPS units
    Skype (don't use it)
    IM support (all, AFAIK)
    games

    - unfortunately, Nokia better get its defecation in configuration on its repositories and software management... at the time of this writing, some twit has horked app install off one of the companies software repositories through a typo in DNS ('repostry' vs 'repository')... i'd be dealing some serious whoopa55 if i were a PHB! :-)

  14. Re:Asus Eee to equal Mac sales in 2008 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, everyone I know who has bought one (around five people) has installed XP on it. I'd guess lots of others are doing the same.

    Have a look at the post count on eeeuser. Posts about windows installs are significant but not overwhelming.

  15. Giving vs. gifting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Re: "...the most frequently gifted computer: The Apple MacBook notebook PC."

    Is it just me, or is the use of "to gift" a recent development of holiday commercialization? I could swear I never heard that as a kid; now everything is about "gifting" rather than "giving". I suppose "giving in the spirit of Christmas" is too non-specific: it could mean giving to charity, or giving one's time at a senior center. No, it has to be "gifting", because that can mean only one thing: a piece of merchandise that one must purchase. It's hard to find an ad with the word "giving" anymore.

  16. Do consumers know? by T-Bone-T · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those devices may run unix or Linux, but how many people even know that? Wouldn't a typical consumer see that a device does what they want and looks good without regard to the OS? I doubt that many Nokia owners know their tablet runs Linux.

    1. Re:Do consumers know? by dfj225 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you said about typical consumers is probably true, but is that a bad thing? Personally, I think its a great achievement that you can hand a device to someone and it doesn't matter that its running linux. All that matters is that it is intuitive and useful in their hands.

      The geeks get a device with open software that they are free to modify, and normal users get something that is easy to use and enables them to access the internet and information in a new and convenient way. I don't see any losers here, except Microsoft, and since I am not a shareholder, this doesn't bother me one bit :)

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