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HD DVD Player Sales Grind To a Halt
Lucas123 writes "While the news may fall under the 'Duh' category, it's still relatively shocking how quickly the death knell for HD DVD player sales came on after Warner Bros. announced they were dropping dual hi-def DVD format support in order to back only Blu-ray. According to a Computerworld story, the week after Warner's announcement, sales of HD DVD players dropped to 1,758, down from 14,558 players the week before. In contrast, consumers bought 21,770 Blu-ray Disc players, up from 15,257 the previous week."
Previously, I had heard that the total sales for blue ray players included sales of PS3 consoles. Are they included in these numbers as well? I know that there are certainly people out there who bought PS3's with the intention of playing PS3 games, and didn't really care that they could play blue ray movies as well.
That said, of course the loss of another studio from HD DVD to Blue Ray likely didn't hurt sales of stand-alone blue ray players, either.
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And as the article points out, the information from that week is useful to gauge sales for that one week only. Since Toshiba responded the following week with massive price cuts, the sales figures will be drastically different for the following weeks. Basically, these numbers will be all over the map for a while, and won't be useful for generating any sort of trend. That said, it is clear that HD DVD will be going away soon.
I, like I'm sure many other average-joe consumers, have been just WAITING for the decision to be made before going out and spending hard earned cash on a high-def player.
Warner Brothers moving to BluRay, along with rumors of Universal and Paramount possibly following suit, have really been a good sign.
I bought PS3 (and Rock Band!) pretty quickly after the news came out.
During the week following Warner's announcement -- a period in which the HD-DVD group went into hiding while they regrouped -- FUD went absolutely rampant. Eclipsing the damage of Warner's announcement were rumors from so-called insiders that Paramount and Universal were also jumping ship, along with the standard claims that the adult industry was going blu. If you do a news search on HD-DVD right now you'll continue to find the same FUD, blown into a life of its own by blogger referencing blogger referencing blogger, repeating the same disproven claim.
In this vacuum of information, there's no surprise that HD-DVD sales collapsed, and it isn't because of the loss of Warner's catalog.
Since then the outcome is much less certain, however. Toshiba hasn't just conceded (and they shouldn't -- just prior to Warner's announcement it was 50/50), but instead they've come out swinging, dropping the price of their units by half (obviously it has to be cheap to compete with a format that largely was acquired for "free" as an added value of a game system). This price puts a very capable HD-DVD player with ethernet, HDMI, optical audio, and so on, as cost competitive with a decent upscaling DVD player -- and the Toshiba unit is a very good upscaling player. Add the 7 or more free HD-DVD movies that'll work forever even if HD-DVD dies, and a catalog of 1000 or so HD-DVD movies already on the market, it's a hell of a deal. If someone could hack this baby to be a media head unit it would absolutely own.
Reports are that sales have been absolutely massive, and Toshiba's campaign has been a success. Warner since has extended their HD-DVD support by almost a month, and other very positive rumors have circulated about HD-DVD.
Don't write HD-DVD off quite yet.
As an aside, one thing that really pisses me off about this war are claims that the end of the format war would be good for consumers. This is as logical as saying that Windows and IE should be universal -- good for consumers. Worse, Blu-ray has so many consumer-unfriendly facets (cost, no combo discs, a standard that's still in flux, early adopters getting screwed, the nebulous DRM of BD+) that it winning can never be perceived as a consumer win. Yeah, I'm biased because I didn't choose a format to win based upon a game unit I happened to buy.
Oh, it's also worth noting that all three current Toshiba players (A3, A30, A35) have been in the top ten at Amazon since the price cut.
Or should I wait another year? I didn't buy one because I didn't want to deal with HD or Blu-Ray. Should I wait another year for Blu-Ray to finish fleshing out the market, or is now a good time?
I have a feeling that later would be better because lots of companies who were holding back or weren't producing Blu-Ray players will probably now... Any ideas?
One of the rationals of doing an external player was so that they could just make a blu-ray addon if HD-DVD didn't win. The main difference is that blu-ray and the PS3 are intimately intertwined. However, the 360 is just a video game machine that you can buy an add-on movie player too. Very few people (that I know of) bought the 360 as a movie player, compared at least, to the apparent many that bought the PS3 for its movie ability. So for all intent the HD-DVD addon, will suffer the same fate as a standalone player, and have little affect on the 360.
Well for one, the fact that I had the option to upgrade to the HD DVD player makes the 360 10 times better to me than Sony trying to force their format down our throats....which is why I refuse to buy a PS3. And yes I did buy the HD DVD player add on because I wanted HD DVD to win. So what will we do now? Well Microsoft has already mentioned making a Blu-Ray add-on so I will continue buying all the really cheap HD DVD's then buy the Blu Ray add-on at some point in the future.....problem solved. When it comes down to it was all about my ability to chose what I wanted to do.
I don't know about you guys, but I shant be making a descision on which high definition player to purchase until the porn industry does!
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When my DVD player burns out, I'll buy an HD player if it's the same price and plays my existing DVDs. After that, maybe I'd buy some HD discs. Otherwise, I'll just keep waiting. That's the attitude of 99.9% of consumers.
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I pretty much did the same thing, I bought the PS3 mainly for the Blu-Ray. Why is this having "a lot of cash to burn"?
I wanted a Blu-Ray player, and the PS3 was only $80 more than a pure player, and it got good ratings on the quality of movie playback. I figured the extra $80 was worth getting a game console and media center thrown in. Seems like good economic sense to me.
A lot of the public will take it for what it is and won't complain. When Dreamcast prices (for systems and games) were slashed people went and bought the things in droves. Sure they will not be any more games, but when the system was $29 and the games are all $5, it really didn't matter. For less than $100 you could have a Dreamcast and a dozen games, which is probably about as much as your average person ever buys for any one system anyways.
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HD-DVD is going under, but if the movies drop in price, people will snap them up and sit them on their shelves as their high definition copy of whatever movie it is. If they can snap all those up for a low price it's worth it. The Big Lots phenomenon
That said, I am personally unlikely to buy any more HD DVD's. I'd bought a few already, but I didn't have a player. Just bought the combo disks that also had one side with the DVD version on it, in anticipation of one day buying an HD player. I'm picky on rebuying media so I figured the extra few bucks would be worth the gamble. Looks like I lost, but the Blu-Ray players will still play the DVD side of those movies so it's not a total loss.
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$200 players are still having a hard time compared to the new and finally coming into its own PS3s for $399. Yes, it took a long time, but the PS2 also took about a year or two to really take hold as well, if you remember. As it is, you can have your HDTV compatible player and a gaming box all in one package. Plus, the resale value on a PS3 is also surprisingly high, often 75% of what they sold for new.
And there's talk of a PS3 without a hard drive and a few less features for even less money in the future(reminds me of the PS2 "slim" model release). Sony ended up making the right choice here as it forced people to buy the player as well with the console and lock millions of people into Blu-Ray.
IMO, it was the computer crowd that finally pushed it over the edge to win it. Blu-Ray burners and media can be found fairly easily, and with the backing of most of the computer giants as well, it was only a mater of time before it won out.
P.S. The actual laser assembly itself, which is what makes the drive different than a DVD drive aside from a few basic decoding chips and such *retails* for about $70. A $100 Blu-Ray reader should be no problem at all.(once analog TV is dropped in a year, it'll happen for sure)
I'll second that, I've also got a 46" (albeit Sony Grand Wega 1080i) HDTV and dvd's look EXCELLENT even using 480p output. That being said, I also have a PS3, bought mainly for the gaming aspect--but I have quickly fallen in love with BluRay. The visuals aren't the only upside to BluRay, the uncompressed 5.1 or DTS tracks that come on nearly every title simply CRUSH Dolby Digital 5.1. I don't even have a bazillion dollar surround sound system, only a fairly entry level Sony receiver with HDMI and an addon Sony Powered 12" sub--but the difference in sonic quality of uncompressed vs. DD5.1 is very impressive! (and I thought DTS was the end-all of high end audio...)
I'm glad to see BluRay is winning the HD format war, the titles I've purchased on BluRay (Fifth Element, Underworld, Some Disney Flicks for my kids) are far superior to DVD and getting them on sale for $15-$20 isn't much more than their DVD counterparts. On the other hand, the PS3 makes DVD's look and sound excellent as well so there's no need to re-buy the movies we've grown to love unless the media falls apart. Add in the ability to play Mpeg-4 off my NAS box and the PS3 may finally make Sony's dream of a single media power house in your living room reality.
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You're looking at more like X2 4800+ (probably even higher) on the AMD side of things...