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Egypt Calls for Bandwidth Rationing

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Egypt's Ministry of Communications and Information Technology has called upon its citizens to ration their internet usage. This comes after two of its three undersea fiber optic links were recently severed. The cut cables have caused communication difficulties for millions of people throughout the Middle East. Ministry spokesman Mohammed Taymur was quoted as saying, 'People should know how to use the Internet because people who download music and films are going to affect businesses who have more important things to do.'"

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  1. These cables were cut on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The cables in the mideast have all been cut on purpose. When they were first laid out, we did not have as good interception equipment as is now available. However, going down and installing equipment capable of intercepting, duplicating, and analyzing their traffic without increasing latency in the slightest would require an unexplained interruption in service while it was being installed. While the lines are being repaired, further up in a difficult-to-reach location or hub, the NSA is now installing this equipment. Afterwards, they can copy all data sent through the cable without raising any eyebrows. There will be no proof.

    1. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by darkmeridian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's no need to do that with these cables. They have at end somewhere, right? So what the NSA/bad guys do is to tap the ends of the wires. The ISP sometimes helps.

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    2. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would leave proof, and that would totally ruin the fun of coming up with some elaborate baseless conspiracy theory. What good is a conspiracy theory if there's a way to disprove it that doesn't require a submarine?

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    3. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Are you seriously saying a Chinese mini-sub didn't kidnap an Australian prime minister?

      Harold Holt would be turning in his grave.

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    4. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whose to say it was the NSA? Maybe it was Islamic fundamentalists cutting the cable because they did not want their countryment access to western influences?

      It would seem that previous history of the NSA indicates their desire for no detection, as compared to an obvious interrruption.

    5. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by Erpo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If that is how you feel, you should be encrypting sensitive information. There is never a guarantee that someone isn't looking at information you send in the clear over the Internet.

    6. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by s74ng3r · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, for submarines, maybe no. But if your conspiracy theory involved something like sharks with freakin lasers, now that's a conspiracy. :)

    7. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by muzicman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have you been seeing black helicoptors since you have written this post? You do realise that just because you are paranoid, doen't mean their not out to get you!

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    8. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by Petersson · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or maybe it was Dolphins just playing a joke

      As in 'So long, and thanks for all the fiber'?

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    9. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This site (Warning! Informative non-conspiracy site!) describes the simple details of fiber-optic coupling by bending one fiber.

      A few things:

      • Undersea cables are big bundles of fibre, not single fibres, right?
      • When you bend a fibre, there is an increase in the attenuation visible at the receiving end. This might interfere with reception, but even if it doesn't, both sides likely have an optical time domain reflectometer, which will can tell them where the bend is.

      The NSA could do it, but would likely be detectable. On the other hand, if they cut the cable, then later installed a sniffer at the break while repairing the cable, then the people on each end would ignore the spike in the OTDR plot, because they would say "oh, that's just a break that has been repaired. It's always been there.".

    10. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by Zymergy · · Score: 2, Informative

      IMHO, I respectfully disagree. Any propulsion system other than Nuclear would just not be very feasible for extended undersea cable tapping operations and Seal incursions, etc...
      The USS Jimmy Carter's battery of 50 Tomahawk (nuclear warhead capable) cruise *missiles* are deterrence in my opinion. (But conventional warhead Tomahawks are scary as well.)
      To also modify a nuclear submarine design to be 100 feet longer in order to accommodate more Seal Teams & "gear" is also deterrence. Deterrence is a matter of opinion though.
      Strictly speaking, yes, only boomers (SSBN's) have ICBM capabilities. But to me, the USS Jimmy Carter's *known* capabilities are formidable and would certainly deter me (were I a US adversary) from provoking the United States further (especially if intelligence told me it was hiding somewhere off my coast and I had recently severely pissed-off the US.)

      Additional info in these Wiki articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter

    11. Re:These cables were cut on purpose by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Ministry spokesman Mohammed Taymur was quoted as saying, 'People should know how to use the Internet because people who download music and films are going to affect businesses who have more important things to do.'"

      Ok..so exactly when was the internet created and instantiate PRIMARILY for the use of businesses? Oh..that's right...it wasn't.

      Thank Goodness!!

      Thankfully, it was created so that any computer hooked to it..was just as important as any other...a peer.

      I'm all for businesses using it, makes things convenient for many, but, I get irked when you hear things now that sound like the internet IS there primarily for businesses, and that the common user is a tolerated menace.

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  2. Business more important than my porn? NO! by node159 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One would think that those businesses affected who depend on their network connection would see its value and have the appropriate SLA. Otherwise they should fall under the rest who need to fight over the limited data cause by a lack of investment of inferstructure. I have no sympathy, if line failure means a reduced capacity, that isn't a backup.

    God talking heads piss me off some times. Get a clue.

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    1. Re:Business more important than my porn? NO! by klingens · · Score: 2, Informative

      The (possible) SLAs are exactly the point: chances are, the telecommunications company, and probably the cable too, is directly owned by the government. This is a usual arrangement in most islamic countries so any payout or loss of revenue due SLAs is directly hurting the government of which this minister is an officer.

  3. Internet the new water food and shelter... by psychicsword · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It seems that Internet is now making its way up with water food and shelter for human necessities :P

  4. I see it already... by thrill12 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... next thing they do is giving away "bandwidth-stamps".
    I am sorry sir, your bandwidth-card is full ; you will have to wait until next month to renew your bandwidth.
    Here you go ma'm, one bandwidth stamp for 100 MB worth of data.
    Sir, you are hereby under arrest for trying to fraud with bandwidth-cards, you sir are a "bandwidth pirate", a "megabyte thief", a "bit ripper" !

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    1. Re:I see it already... by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      With French Pay-As-You-go 3G Sim cards for mobile internet (Mobicarte), you top up your account by purchasing scratch cards from your local supermarket. Scratch the card to reveal a security code, then use SMS to send the code to the account managers. No need to use or disclose your credit card details.

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  5. Re:No more pr0n by Loke+the+Dog · · Score: 4, Funny

    If they don't keep a stored reserve for emergencies like this, they deserve to be frustrated. With HDDs so cheap these days, there's no excuse for not having a few gigs of porn.

  6. Adding to the problem... by Statecraftsman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Though I've never looked for an Egyptian site before, my curiousity may have added a little to the problem:

    The server at www.egypt.gov.eg is taking too long to respond.

    1. Re:Adding to the problem... by The+One+and+Only · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have we ever slashdotted an entire country before?

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  7. Re:No more pr0n by eiapoce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No more pr0n for Egypt. Or 2-6 pics per person per day. Poor chaps. You didn't mean PORN, you meant SEX!

    That's accordin to google labs, porn is for UK, New Zealand and Australia where getting sex isn't a problem while sofisticated porn is difficult to see http://www.google.com/trends?q=porn&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 - Sex is clearly what Egiptians are looking for http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
  8. Next up... by Icarium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...they'll be asking road users to give way to trucks and business executives on the roads.

    Thier concern over how this could impact thier commerce is understandable, but this is not the answer.

    1. Re:Next up... by Zorque · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All it's asking is that people try and refrain from heavy downloading (music, movies, etc) for a little while until the lines are fixed. They're not asking people to give up the internet entirely. It would be pretty stupid of them to have a large portion of their economy collapse just so people could torrent.

    2. Re:Next up... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, Ibrahim, how's our bandwidth demand? Sharply down, you say? So, our expenditure is down as well, right? And our revenue? Still constant. Hmm.

      Say, Ibrahim, about those cables. If you felt like taking some vacation time before fixing them, that'd be OK with me. See you in April.

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  9. Why not? by Misanthrope · · Score: 4, Funny

    Aziz Bandwidth!

    1. Re:Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Aziz... Bandwidth...
      *makes another mark on paper*

    2. Re:Why not? by Edgester · · Score: 5, Funny

      * cables fixed *
      Ah, thank you aziz.

  10. Ah, good times by istartedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I was in dial-up tech support in the late 90s, we would occasionally get customers who were furious because "my business depends on the internet". Of course we couldn't tell customers what we really thought, so we would all stand outside on break, and be like "your business ha-hah, depends on ha-ha, the INTERNET???". "Well then, you should not have depended on a single provider, if it was really that critical".

    It's one thing for some idiot pre-bubble day trader who fancied himself a "business man" to not understand that. In this case, it's a whole region. OK, maybe I'm being a bit harsh. Maybe they're where we were in the 90s. It seems like the whole network would go dark every few weeks or so back then. In the call center they would put up a big sign that said something like "MAE East is down". I haven't seen anything like that for a while. Maybe they'll put in some redundant routes after this, which is probably what happened here.

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    1. Re:Ah, good times by MrMickS · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe they'll put in some redundant routes after this, which is probably what happened here. Erm ... there are redundant routes. Two of them, 2km apart, have both been severed the result being that they are down to a single route. Given the political nature of the area it wouldn't be a surprise for the redunancy to not be as high as possible with inter-country connects.
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    2. Re:Ah, good times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not every country can afford the redundancy mate. It's called being poor.

    3. Re:Ah, good times by darthflo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all, "poor" applies to people. Natural people, you see? Businesses are legal people. Just like there's no welfare for businesses, there's no "poor" businesses. (Obvious exemption: Gov't-subsidized public services. They're not poor, they're simply not competitive but the government deems them to be important enough not to die.) Either a business makes money, is using up stockpiles (including credits) of money or it's bankrupt. An internet-dependent business unable to afford basic redundancy is, however evil this may sound, badly led.

  11. This just in! by CCFreak2K · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cut cable causes communication catastrophe! Dismal disaster dooms denizens!

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  12. Re:Who is it more important to? by hoojus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    appealed to the public's common sense Never heard of this what is it? Even so just because the public are using it for entertainment purposes this is no less important than business use. If these people are paying the same amount then they should have equal use. If business are paying more and the contracts (to ISPs) specify selective throttling then I have no problem. But I know that my ISP has no signed contract with me that allows them to put other customer's needs before mine. Make no mistake whether big business or home user they are both customers and should be treated equally.
  13. Re:Same Story by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's the oft repeated story again, instead of trying to improve infrastructure and services (like backup lines for instance) the consumers are the ones left holding the bag. In fact they're already using the word 'rationing'. Why is it that almost always its the consumers who bear the burden of whatever boo boo's made by the service providers ?

    This isn't a private company, it's the entire country's connection to the rest of the world. As in, the government. And there are redundancies, that's why they can still connect. Two of the three main cables (each over a mile apart) failed simultanously.

    On the other hand though the statement is worded unsurprisingly inept, i guess the sentiment here might be to take stock of the usage and avoiding unnecessary bandwidth hogging for a while. Though what's unnecessary should be left to the consumers to define for themselves. A simple request for 'help' and 'understanding' would have been more useful without generating all the negative publicity that I'm sure this will generate.

    That's pretty much what they did. They said there was limited bandwidth, and asked people not to download music and movies because it would eat up bandwidth that might be needed for contining business purposes.

    If you read all his comments, it is quite polite and understanding of individuals' rights. You might not think it was polite because it was translated from Arabic. Egypt is a different country than the United States. Many other countries speak languages besides English.

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  14. Re:No more pr0n by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This might be a more useful comparison. This plot of porn and sex, ranked by sex, shows the countries that are most affected.

    And yes, Egypt ranks first, followed by India.

    http://www.google.com/trends?q=porn%2C+sex&ctab=0&geo=all&geor=all&date=all&sort=1

  15. Re:Who is it more important to? by QuickFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    appealed to the public's common sense Never heard of this what is it? Why are Americans so parochial? Just because the public in the US has no common sense doesn't mean it's the the same in the rest of the world.
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  16. Re:Who is it more important to? by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    But I know that my ISP has no signed contract with me that allows them to put other customer's needs before mine. Make no mistake whether big business or home user they are both customers and should be treated equally.

    Good luck with that.

    A year ago some cables running south of Taiwan were cut by an earthquake. In Hong Kong the immediate effect was to slow down access. But a few hours later, they had reconfigured it so that domestic users, like myself, working at home, got ZERO connectivity, as they gave almost all the capacity to their business clients. I couldn't even check my email, on Yahoo, for a week. And you know that businesses were just sending the same bloated powerpoint files and videos to each other.

    IMHO, they should give a minimum connectivity to everyone so you can use email, the most vital of all services. But when they have their big customers screaming at them about how slow their service is, they'll cheerfully cut off home users completely, knowing most have no alternative.

  17. Re:Who is it more important to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well if you work on a so-called "global" team. You get to find this out first-hand. Americans are perhaps not the most common-sensical people on the planet, but they certainly have second place.

    Middle east is simple : you do what your dad does. If he was a nobel laureate and you failed kindergarten, you head the university. Needless to say, this arrangement has it's problems. Never ask anyone in Egypt why they have a job. They are very open about this you know.

    In kuwait the "senior technical designer" of the local telco did not know what a router was. "how do I recognize one ?" - no joke. And I had to explain to the last pakistani that called that just connecting your pc to an -unconnected- router is not going to get you on the internet. Then we got started on bgp. Needless to say, it took a while.

  18. Re:Wednesday - MI5 complain ; Thursday - cables cu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Friday - I'm in love.

  19. Re:Compromise by ps236 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh come on. How many companies anywhere in the world have a satellite link 'just in case'? Never mind the problem of being able to afford to actually use it.

    Most companies will have one DSL connection. Possibly they'll have an ISDN or second DSL available as backup - but that wouldn't help in this case. All that WOULD help would be a satellite link.

    The businesses could well be paying more for their Internet link than individuals anyway - we pay about 6 times more for our DSL than a 'home user' account costs. That gives us a lower contention ratio, plus a basic SLA.

    Even in the UK, if two of our transatlantic links were severed at the same time, things would slow to a crawl as data gets routed through Germany etc instead. I remember one failing not too long ago and it was very noticeable.

    Two out of three failing at the same time is an exceptional event so you can't really expect a developing country to have more than one redundant link available for their two normal ones. How would your region handle the case where **all** their 'normal' Internet links out of the region were severed and they had to fall back to their redundant links???

    They're not asking individuals to stop using the Internet at all, just to cut back on all the movie downloads. One movie download is a few hundred thousand emails after all (most of which will be spam..). Also, using the Internet within the country itself would not be a problem

  20. Re:Who is it more important to? by notnAP · · Score: 3, Funny

    appealed to the public's common sense
    Never heard of this what is it?
    Why are Americans so parochial? Just because the public in the US has no common sense doesn't mean it's the the same in the rest of the world.
    This "rest of the world" you refer to...

    Never heard of this what is it?

  21. Re: Network neutrality again by Andrewkov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely. True in politics, and bandwidth allocation. ISPs cannot be trusted to police Internet traffic.