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Apple Can't Afford iPhone's Carrier Exclusivity

WirePosted writes with an ITWire article about the problems that Apple's AT&T exclusivity deal could pose in the coming years. Initially the company needed AT&T's commitment to the project, to ensure features like visual voicemail would work. With the iPhone a hit even at its current high price that no longer seems to be the case. Can Apple afford to stick to an exclusive carrier in the future? If for no other reason than consumer choice? "iPhones are being sold unlocked in the markets of Asia where you can't get them with a carrier plan, but they're also being bought and unlocked in the US and Europe. The message is that many and probably most iPhone buyers would like to be given a choice of carrier when they buy their iPhone. Some would be prepared to pay more as they do with other smartphones and buy their iPhone unattached to any subsidized carrier contract. The point is many consumers feel no loyalty to carriers and resent being forced to choose one."

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  1. There's more here than meets the eye by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not just visual voicemail, people. Jeez, if I had a dime for every time I heard that used as the only putative reason that Apple is tied to AT&T...

    It's also having structured, simple unlimited data plans, which is really what makes the iPhone shine.

    It's about doing things like setting your voicemail greeting all through a GUI on the phone, without having to call into some number and follow prompts. (Simple? Sure. Not a big deal? Sure. But still, one little detail among many.)

    It's being able to walk out of a retailer with the iPhone sealed in a box (which itself probably has more attention to design than most handsets do), and then the ability to seamlessly activate via iTunes, with a simple selection of choices, in the comfort of one's own home in a fashion fully supported by Apple and the carrier.

    It's about expanding the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iTunes Store ecosystem with a carefully planned strategy.

    It's the user experience from end-to-end (peoples' own individual gripes with AT&T or any other carrier aside).

    That's the issue, and all of those things take a lot of backend work and cooperation between Apple and the carrier. It's not just a handset; it's a complete end-user experience from purchase, to activation, to use.

    And yes, some customers might not "care" about all of these things. The power users, the hackers, the cutting edge geeks. But normal customers are a much larger target, and those are the people reading reviews, and those are the people who will drive to Apple's goal of 10 million iPhones. With wildly varying user experience and differences from carrier to carrier, how will the iPhone be viewed in the eyes of the iPod-buying populace?

    And remember, contrary to the article's assertion, since owning an iPhone isn't mandatory, and we presumably have free will, no one is "forced" to do anything.

    What about this is so difficult to comprehend?

    That, and the fact that AT&T may be giving Apple as much as $200 per activated iPhone, and then 3%/month for existing customers and a staggering 9%/month for new customers on top of it, so that the end-user cost when people buy one in a store is manageable? Yeah, the iPhone might not be "subsidized" in wireless industry parlance, but you bet your ass it's "subsidized".

    There's more going on here than "evil Apple" wanting "lock in". Like all products with Apple, it's about more than just buying a commodity...it's getting a pleasant experience along with it, from end-to-end. (Yeah, yeah, insert a billion gripes about how the iPhone sucks for one reason or another here. Go tell that to Google's CEO, who says the iPhone is the first of an entire new generation of products. Yes, this platform really is that special, no matter how much you, personally, might hate Apple, the iPhone, or both.)

    Apple has also shown it does these sorts of things -- and going into the mobile handset business is a HUGE foray -- in baby steps. Is it any surprise that the stage we're at now has carrier exclusivity for a variety of reasons, even beyond what I've already articulated above? Just because YOU don't like it or some IT rag pundit waxes philosophic about it doesn't mean it's not the right business decision for Apple at the present juncture. It doesn't matter how many people buy iPhones to unlock them. There is a vibrant unlocking and hacking community for just about any desirable phone, including ones not available in particular markets, etc.

    It may be that someday, Apple really can't "afford" carrier exclusivity. And you know what? I'd imagine we'll see a change, then, won't we?

    1. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful
      (This came out a lot like flamebait, but please people read the parent and then understand my raged) What, you're defending carrier exclusivity? All those things are terrible ideas and have no place in a phone for crying out loud. Expanding itunes to the iphone? What? Anyway that should be done through apple, and the carrier would make no difference.. if the iphone can connect to a web site then it can run a little itunes app that connects to apple servers, REGARDLESS of carrier.

      And remember, contrary to the article's assertion, since owning an iPhone isn't mandatory, and we presumably have free will, no one is "forced" to do anything.
      Durrr have you forgotten the people who want iphones and don't want AT&T? That's what this whole hullabaloo is about. Apple's "pleasant experience end to end" is wrong and it can't realistically expect to control things all the way to the user. It's an absolutely godawful idea on their macs- making software that's written to run on any x86 platform and then locking it down to only run on one set of hardware? Same with phones- if apple wants to make a phone that's fine but what is it doing controlling carriers? Why does the designer of the phone have any say at all as to who can service it? That makes no. sense. at. all. Apple shouldn't worry about people confusing crappy service with crappy hardware- anyone with half a brain can tell that the maker of a phone has nothing to do with the huge phone bill.. but I guess people with at least half a brain isn't Apple's target audience, is it?
    2. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But without workipping them how can you justify being locked into AT&T for two years while literally _the rest of the entire world_ does nothing of the sort? And paying $600 off the bat for mediocre hardware that's so locked down you can't even change the battery, or install programs not paying a billon dollars to Apple for signing, without feeling like a criminal from all the DMCA filth spewed by Apple?

    3. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by kithrup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, most of those are the advantages Apple can give their customers with carrier exclusivity.

      What Apple gets from carrier exclusivity is the ability to get a portion of the monthly charges from the carrier. Based on reports, Apple gets a significant portion of the customer's monthly payment to AT&T (and O2 in the UK, and T-Mobile in France, and ...); they would not be able to do that without the exclusivity.

      Even $10/month from the customer means that Apple would be getting an additional $240 over the course of the 2-year contract; that's a pretty significant reason to continue to push for exclusivity for a while.

    4. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, this platform really is that special, no matter how much you, personally, might hate Apple, the iPhone, or both.) Really? From here in the UK, I still just don't "get" the iPhone. Anecdotally I don't know anyone who has one or is planning on getting one (locked or unlocked) Even the salesman in the Apple store couldn't explain how the damn thing was better than my cheap ass* £30 Nokia, apart from using vague terms like the "iphone experience" whatever that means. In the end I got him to admit that the only thing it had over my phone was the GUI, and that my phone could replicate anything else it did with a bit of help eg:

      Check my email: http://www.google.com/mobile/ (or just go direct to the gmail site with the phone browser)
      Browse the web: http://www.operamini.com/ (if you don't like the built in browser)
      Even visual voicemail can be simulated using MMS (a feature the iPhone lacks).

      So if my phone can do that on a pay as you go basis, unlocked and I'm able to switch** if and when I see a better deal Why get an iPhone??? And as I said mine is a cheap phone, so the more expensive Nokias, Motorollas etc. should have even more functionality, right?.
      I just don't understand the hype and wish I did, so can someone tell me what's so good about the iPhone?

      *cheap as in the second cheapest in the O2 shop despite that it still manages to have a stills and video camera.

      **As it happens O2 have been a very good service provider and would happily recommend them to anyone. Ironically they are the company partnered with Apple here in the UK, so brand loyalty wouldn't be a problem should I wish to get an iPhone in future.
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    5. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by foxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple's "pleasant experience end to end" is wrong

      Indeed. I really hate it when people make things that don't suck. I mean, come on, companies of America. Bring me stuff that's unpleasant. I want the suck!

      Why does the designer of the phone have any say at all as to who can service it?

      I don't know, perhaps the designer of the phone has features they want to include that aren't part of the standard feature set? Like being able to activate at home without having to wait for a sales droid. Or visual voicemail. Or perhaps they don't want customers of their phones to have to wade through a sea of bizarre contracts and options? But again, that's part of that pleasant experience that you think is wrong.

    6. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Activate at home? Oh, you mean by installing a proprietary music store application (btw why on earth does a music store have to be an application instead of a website?) which has nothing to do with the phone on the computer you might not own? Right.

      perhaps they don't want customers of their phones to have to wade through a sea of bizarre contracts and options
      Perhaps my point is exactly that it doesnt matter what Apple thinks. They make phones, not offer cell service, and it's none of their business what contracts and options the customer has to deal with. Apple just has to have its tentacles wrapped around every little detail of every industry in which they have absolutely no control.
    7. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't respect the reasoning of someone who says that the end-to-end user experience is irrelevant or that the desire to design it is wrong or unrealistic--and then, in the same breath, talk about all the people who want iPhones. It's the same kind of thinking as people who say iPods should support WMA just because they're popular.

      To be absolutely clear--the whole REASON why there's such demand for Apple products is because, unlike many tech companies, they DO care about the entire user experience. It makes using the product simple, easy, convenient. Would people buy Apple products if they WEREN'T easy to use, if that end-to-end experience WASN'T designed? It frustrates me to no end to hear people gripe about "user choice and freedom" but at the same time they covet the simplicity and elegance of Apple's design approach, not realizing that their interfaces and hardware are what they are precisely because it doesn't allow you to customize the crap out of it and ultimately break it in a million ways.

      I've owned products by many different companies--Motorola, Samsung, Sony (and those are just mobile phones). And not a single one of them has been anywhere near as successful at designing a mobile phone interface as Apple has. It is called attention to detail. As a former loyal T-Mobile customer, do you think I was happy about having to switch to AT&T for an iPhone? I weighed my decision carefully, and like a mature adult, I made an informed choice. I am not sitting around with my old crappy UNLOCKED Motorola V3x with an indecipherable interface, whining about how the choices presented to me are not the choices I want. Would you be any happier if Apple simply decided not to develop the iPhone at all?

      Some people just want to find any reason to complain.

    8. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But again, that's part of that pleasant experience that you think is wrong. No, it's part of control. This isn't surprising, as there's no company on the face of the planet which is more of a control freak than Apple, but it's still about control, not a "pleasant experience". Apple wants you to use their products in exactly the way they see fit, when they see fit, if they see fit. And that, I submit, is what's wrong here.

      No one has a problem with a pleasant experience, despite your idiotic interpretation to the contrary. What we have a problem with is the practices Apple is using. They are hardly necessary to ensure a pleasant user experience, and never have been. Apple just chooses to take the easy way.

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    9. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I still vote Flamebait and suggest you reread the parent. Apple has been the target of the mod squad for a lot of years. This whole flame war didn't start with iPhone. Everyone has complained endlessly about Apple computers because there's is little or nothing you can customize and you can't scratch build them. Here's a 411, who cares? There's an ocean of scratch built options so why does it drive the geek crowd so crazy that Apple won't knuckle under and open up? They build solid elegant hardware that runs great out of the box. I just bought two new PC systems, one from Alienware and one from XI Computers. The Alienware took some configuring because of XP not anything Alienware did so it was still a half hour before I was installing software. The XI machine was defective and after a month of screwing around I had to return it and they are building a scratch system. The point is I bought a Mac 18 months ago for an editing system. I took it out of the box, plugged it in and was installing software five minutes after I plugged it in. I've never had a hardware problem and few crashes other than specific software which also crash on my PCs. The iPhone is meant to work the same way. There's a huge number of smart phones out there if you want to tinker or go with another service. The parent did an excellent job of pointing out why they did the AT&T deal. Do I like them? Hell no but it was the ONLY company that would play ball. If Apple wants to expand when their contract is up I'm guessing a lot more carriers will be interested since they have blown expectations out of the water. My only hesitation is there are several features that strangely got left out like movie clips that I was hoping would have been added this spring. The keynote was surprisingly sparce on the iPhone front so I guess not much is going to change until next year so I may wait another year and get my current contract nearer the end before I switch. Just because a product isn't open doesn't make it evil. Apple has always done business this way but it allows them to make superior products rather than the chaos that exists in the PC world. I have endless headaches with ALL my PCs. My Mac just keeps chugging away with probably 5% of the trouble that I have with the best of my PCs. iPhones were built to do what they do and well over a million people seem to like what they do. Sure a lot have unlocked them but this doesn't mean Apple has to do anything. Also if their profits are based on kick backs from AT&T, yes a $500 phone can still be sold at a loss, then they have every right to do updates that cut off unbundled iPhones. We aren't talking digital rights here, if they don't make a profit they go out of business. Would people whine less if they sold iPhones unbundled for $750 with some features crippled?

    10. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Nicholas+Evans · · Score: 4, Informative

      Activate at home? Oh, you mean by installing a proprietary music store application (btw why on earth does a music store have to be an application instead of a website?) which has nothing to do with the phone on the computer you might not own? Right.

      What did Steve Jobs do you to you, run your dog down? Jesus. I have my iPhone box right here. Did you know that it says you need a PC with Windows or a Mac and you need to have iTunes installed to use the product? It's not like Apple is dropping their evil proprietary software onto your machine when you plug your phone in without any warning.

      Being able to activate myself is convenient. I liked that. I was an existing AT&T customer who had never had any problems with them - I've had some horrible piece of shit phone with them for five years or so before I switched to the iPhone. I've still never had any problems with them. Hell, I haven't -talked- to someone from AT&T about my service, ever. They send me a bill and I pay it. No bullshit involved.

      I don't quite know why you're frothing at the mouth. Yes, there's some lock-in. That's advertised straight-up. You need iTunes; you need an AT&T contract. Don't like it? Then vote with your wallet and buy something else.

    11. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by bberens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple as a great understanding of the paradox of choice. This is exactly why Apple customers are so damned happy even though they have so very few choices of hardware options when compared to alternative vendors. If it really gets your goat that you don't have enough options, you probably aren't in Apple's target market. That's okay though, there's no need to bash them. I don't own any Apple products either.

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    12. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And remember, contrary to the article's assertion, since owning an iPhone isn't mandatory, and we presumably have free will, no one is "forced" to do anything.

      Rather than contrary, isn't that exactly the article's assertion? That no one is "forced" to buy an iPhone, and thus many who might buy it unlocked/unsubsidized don't because it isn't?


      From TFA:

      The message is that many and probably most iPhone buyers would like to be given a choice of carrier when they buy their iPhone. Some would be prepared to pay more as they do with other smartphones and buy their iPhone unattached to any subsidised carrier contract.

      So that represents a lost opportunity cost. Maybe Apple ran those numbers, paid their money and made their choice, deciding the the gain from exclusivity was worth the unlocked instrument sales. If your $200 AT&T subsidy number is right, I supposed that approximates the premium that Apple expects a consumer would pay.


      It doesn't matter how many people buy iPhones to unlock them.


      Unless AT&T really didn't do their homework before signing the iPhone deal, I would guess that they only pay Apple the subsidy on activated instruments.


      And BTW . . .


      What about this is so difficult to comprehend?

      Your smart-aleckness makes Baby Jesus cry.

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    13. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by schnell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know about anyone else but I want hardware/software not an "experience" from Apple.

      Then you don't want Apple, period. Apple's whole raison d'etre is to create a simple and elegant user experience out of complicated computer-related tasks. Apple is not interested in making the fastest or cheapest commodity computer product for other people to customize. Apple creates value to people who want their technology to "just work" by covering the whole product lifecycle with a system that - surprise - as a result limits choice! You want to deeply customize and significantly control your technology experience - you are not Apple's target customer. Buy another phone - you will be happier and Apple won't care or notice.

      Seriously - if you want to buy an iPhone and complain about how you can't put Ubuntu on it or something, please don't bother. You're just wasting money and time. Just go buy some commodity hardware from somebody else who doesn't care about "experiences" - it will be cheaper and everybody will be happier.

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    14. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by reidconti · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But without workipping them how can you justify being locked into AT&T for two years while literally _the rest of the entire world_ does nothing of the sort? And paying $600 off the bat for mediocre hardware that's so locked down you can't even change the battery, or install programs not paying a billon dollars to Apple for signing, without feeling like a criminal from all the DMCA filth spewed by Apple? Because you are making an invalid comparison.

      My choices are not:
      * Buy iPhone from AT&T in the USA
      OR
      * Move to Europe and get some other cell phone there.

      My choices ARE:
      * Buy iPhone from AT&T in the USA
      OR
      * Buy much crappier smartphone, also with 2 year contract with some carrier I may or may not like
      OR
      * Buy utilitarian phone, also with a 2 year contract so that the phone is subsidized.

      I bought an iPhone for $399 (you know; what they *actually* cost, not $600). I don't see the big deal. My previous phone cost $150 for a "dumb" phone thru Verizon with 2 year contract, and Verizon is the devil.

      Unlike most Americans, though, I'm not used to contracts because in the past I bought unlocked GSM phones from eBay and used them sans contract on Cingular (so I was actually happy to have the iPhone excuse to ditch Verizon and their crappy call quality and dropped calls at busy times). Back when the Ericsson T39 was hot, I bought it new on eBay from the UK, I think i paid $299. My next phone (4 years later) was a Samsung D50 slider that was just a little under $400. So $400 for the iPhone was no issue. I don't particularly like being stuck with a contract, but I've used AT&T before and am more than happy to stay with them for 2 years. Frankly, compared to the rest of the market, what I get for $400 is so much more than I've gotten in the past. Both my previous expensive phones were very nice and everything, but they weren't above and beyond different from the competition like the iPhone. And I've used Windows Mobile, for 2 weeks, before I got rid of the phone out of utter frustration.
    15. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by gilesjuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They want control because without control the phone companies ruin the devices and make them suck.

      Vodaphone and T-Mobile are two operators that remove features from phones and hack about with the firmware purely because the phones have a feature that would save the end user some money.

      It's about time a phone maker stood up to these phone operators, they are overcharging people and they've held back development of easier to use phones and convenient features.

    16. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by reidconti · · Score: 2, Informative

      I bet you're the kind of person that gets spyware. The simple matter is that you don't have problems unless you're stupid. Yes, I'm not going to try to be more polite- that's the simple fact. Unless you are stupid, you will have no problems whatsoever. Don't install smiley toolbars, you will not get spyware. I've never known a single Windows user who actually knew what he was doing to have any problems with his machine. Apple does do a very good job at designing computers that are hard for idiots to break (ironic since Windows brought PCs to the masses) but if you don't go swinging a sledgehammer around the OS, you. will. not. have. problems. I think the "stupid" label more accurately applies to a guy who can't appreciate that 98% of the PC-using world has the same gripes and issues with Windows. I've never gotten spyware on a Windows machine either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't ruin the computing experience for everyone; worrying about what kinds of sites you can or can't go to, loading antivirus software and keeping it updated, not using the Outlook preview pane, and so on.

      "Stupid" describes a guy who doesn't understand why Apple doesn't just sell OS X for standard x86 PCs.

      "Stupid" is a man who attributes all of Apple's sales to trendy hipsters who don't understand the True Power (TM) of Microsoft products.

      "Stupid" is someone who thinks he is better than the entire Apple-buying populace but never bothers to try to explain the countless engineers and tech heads who use Apple products because they judge them to be better products.

      Also, you might want to reconsider saying that Windows brought computing to the masses. It wouldn't be hard at all to argue that the Macintosh GUI (well before Windows and possibly your date of birth) made computing accessible to the masses. Though if you're just counting by install base, Windows is your champion.
    17. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple as a great understanding of the paradox of choice. This is exactly why Apple customers are so damned happy even though they have so very few choices of hardware options when compared to alternative vendors.

      So that's why mac people only have one mouse button!

    18. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't like it? Then vote with your wallet and buy something else.

      Well that's exactly what people are suggesting. I mean, what were you thinking? No one is suggesting this should be illegal for Apple to do! But it is certainly fair game to criticise them, point out flaws in their product and suggest buying something else.

      After all, Microsoft gets enough flak (including legal troubles, for them) for trying to coerce people into using its media software.

      His "frothing at the mouth" is probably because we hear about Iphone-this-Iphone-that, and rarely about any other phone. So obviously it is fair game to criticise the product when it is being treated as a higher standard. (Although I don't see his post has anymore full of anger than yours - I think you're reading too much into it.)

    19. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      My phone "just works", and it costs a fraction of the price.

      Obviously I don't fit into Apple's target market (though for some reason, I still have to hear about them all the time) and my phone obviously lacks the magical "experience" of Apple - but please don't try to mislead people into suggesting that every other phone doesn't work.

    20. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by phulegart · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have to wonder about what you actually know about Apple.

      I mean, are you aware of how they have been running their computer business? I'm sure that you will *say* you are very aware, and then you might begin to spew a little information that will quickly turn into a rant about how evil the company is... but just stop and think (or god forbid actually do some research) before you reply to me.

      Did you know that Apple had their tentacles wrapped around every little detail involved with the manufacture and sale of their new computers for the majority of the time that Apple has been selling computers? Do you understand that this is why they are as stable, versatile, and easy to use as they are? Do you think it is just coincidence that the industry standard in professional publishing software began as "Apple Only" software? (Hint: Adobe...) Do you know that Apples were the first computers to enter into professional recording studios? Again, would you just blow this off to coincidence?

      For more than a decade, while IBM users were still fooling around with DOS, MAC users were connecting to the budding internet with Prodigy or AOL or Compuserve. While PC users were trying to figure out how to get their sound cards to work, MAC users were writing music in notation on their screens and getting their "cute" little machines to play it back. And these are only some of the advances. Sure, Apple kept an iron grip on manufacturing. This was to ENSURE a quality product. And you know what? IT WORKED!

      Now, personally, I've never owned an Apple. I have nothing against them, but I've never been able to afford one. I can appreciate the quality of a Ferrari without owning one of those either. Just because they are expensive, I'm not about to go on a spree hating the company.

      What happens when you buy an Unlocked IPhone, and you pick your carrier, and you find that half of those nifty features that you bought the IPhone for, don't work. Whose fault is that. Is it Apples? Nope. You are the kind of person who will blame Apple, but that doesn't make it their fault. They made the phone, they worked it out with AT&T so that all the features of their phone work with AT&T as a carrier. From your argument, you don't want Apple to be dictating how EVERY other company out there that could provide phone service has to alter how their service works, just to make it compatible with the Iphone... or are you a blind hypocrite who just can't see that this is exactly what would HAVE to happen, if the IPhone was able to work with every carrier? Oh sure, Apple could lose and alter some of their features, and make their phone just like a motorola... but what would be the point?

      Apple raised the bar. Plain and simple. If you don't like the IPhone AT&T marriage, DON'T BUY ONE! How simple is that? I'm not the only person to realize this. Why can't you?

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    21. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really? I actually switched TO T-Mobile from Verizon specifically because T-Mobile didn't do that bullshit locking down the phone's features, crappy hacked firmware, etc. My Blackberry 8800 has full access to the GPS, everything, and my buddy's 8830 doesn't. Almost identical phones, and since he uses Verizon, his is locked down.

      It may be different elsewhere, but in the US, T-Mobile is a pretty good carrier.

    22. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by tsa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Why the hell do you need to 'activate' the thing at all? I've never 'activated' a phone before in my life. The things just work. And I always buy my phones without a SIM lock and without a subscription. What is this 'activation' business anyway?

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    23. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by tsa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm with you a long way. I hate the iPhone with a passion, but what do you have against the MacBook Pro? You get what you pay for in that machine's case, which is a very high quality laptop with a beautiful design and the ability to run all mayor platforms trouble-free. I love mine.

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    24. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am using a MacBook. I have an iPod. The first is a significant improvement over the alternatives in usability, the second an incremental one. The iPhone, in the context of the existing use skills of its market, has an interesting UI. But it is more entertaining and fun, than it is a real usability improvement.

      The way a Mac enthusiast uses the phrase "getting it" strikes me as somewhat cultish.

    25. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you aren't willing to use a computer, why exactly do you want a $399 touch screen device, which also happens to be a computer.....

      Well, some people might want such a device so that they don't have to get a computer...

    26. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by mstahl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What'd you post that comment from, then? An iPhone or something? You need a computer to use an iPod, too. Is that really such a huge problem?

    27. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, just a few points -- I am a pretty hardcore Linux user, I have been Windows free for about 8 years. At work (university) I use linux exclusively. When my beloved IBM laptop died I needed a replacement and bought a PowerBook G4 based on the build quality and feature set, expecting to dual boot with Linux but hoping that the BSD (and fink) would be enough to tide me over. I am a convert to the Mac way.

      Now, let me just say that I don't play games. This is probably the one part of the mac experience that is lagging behind, but I don't really care. I do scientific work on my Mac and it is really simpler and more pleasurable to use. Even though my Gentoo setup doesn't really require a lot of work these days (just updates every now and again), I have never run a linux setup that is quite as straightforward as the Mac.

      Here's the interesting thing. Apple has some of the best usability research out there. They really want people to be able to use their computers. Many people find their interfaces "simpler and more pleasurable to use". How is it that you can determine that all this is wrong? Yes, when I switched I was pissed that there was no delete key. Now I am pretty pissed when I try to work on Windows and backspace doesn't delete stuff. The menu thing is also pretty well thought out -- it comes down to having a larger target for hitting the menu items, because the cursor doesn't go off the screen. Quite logical, really. Similarly for dialog boxes. Research shows that people don't really read the text of a box, so the Apple guidelines require verbs on the buttons, so I have to click "Delete" instead of "OK". I have become a bit lazy, so when Windows programs pop up an OK/Cancel dialog box, I have to do a double take.

      Lastly, on the idea that research into usability is useless ("there are no facts whatsoever which are relevant"), I must say that part of my research is Human/Machine interfacing and there are really some facts which are relevant, like the fact that most computer novices find multiple mouse buttons confusing, that acquisition of the menu bar in Windows takes longer on average than on Mac OS, that people don't read dialog box text. I would link to references, but frankly that wouldn't change your mind. But next time you feel the need to bash the Mac GUI, it would be nice if you did it after spending some time (a few weeks) with it, rather than just complaining that you still expect things to work the way they did on some other system.

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    28. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by joto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because if you want a cellphone in the USA you have no other choice.

      Is it illegal for americans to import their own unlocked cellphone from abroad? That's certainly what I would do.

      sure it sucks, but in the end two year contracts aren't all that bad. They can't randomly raise your rates either. Apple is playing ball with the cell phone companies or else the iPhone would never have gotten to market,

      You can't be serious. Two years is longer than the projected lifespan of the phone, even if you treat it nicely. And most people who rushed to buy their iPhone want a new phone within two years, regardless of whether it lasts that long, or not. Besides, the contract sucks horseshit regardless of how long it is, making the horseshit last two years isn't going to make it any better.

      Also, I'm not interested in whether AT&T is going to raise the rates. The rates they already have are already astronomical! What I want is a free market, and that means that I'm not locked to two year contracts, and can change provider any time I feel like it. A cell-phone carrier is not something that should need your first-born son just to be able to sell you their service.

      Finally, I see no reason why an over-hyped but somewhat fashionable touch-screen phone should need to play a different ball-game than all the other phones on the market. Especially when the rules of the new ball-game is to get screwed, over and over again, by bending over and letting corporate shitheads put their contracts so deep into your anus you start to blead. If they should change the rules, they should instead have tried to make it a fair game, but I guess that's asking a bit too much.

    29. Re:There's more here than meets the eye by Phleg · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sure you have. Well, at least, the sales droid at the store you bought your cell phone at did, with you present. The iPhone activation is nothing more than associating your SIM with your phone number, signing up for service, and agreeing to a contract. The difference being that it takes about a fifth as long, and with nobody else needing to be present.

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  2. Loyalty!? by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...and why should we feel any loyalty to any particular carrier? AT&T doesn't serve my area, so at present, an iPhone isn't an option. This doesn't dispose me favorably towards either AT&T or Apple.

    My current carrier doesn't provide many services you can get in other areas, such as video transfer and texting outside the local area. I'm not talking about extra-cost, they simply don't offer it.

    On top of all this, cell service is expensive. With these things in mind, I can't imagine how "loyalty" is supposed to even come into the equation. As far as I'm concerned, I'm just looking at which side of the ship to jump off of, knowing that the next ship over isn't likely to be any better anyway.

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  3. my understanding by fermion · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Is that Apple tried to make a phone the old way, i.e. the rokr, and it failed. It failed because carriers want a phone to drive revenue, not serve customers. It failed because Motorola was not able to become an independent entity, but kept the culture as a servant to the carriers.

    Apple designed a phone that is very good, and found a carrier that was desperate to play ball and risk a new world order. Apple exclusivity, therefore, serves that new world order. When Apple does not have to cripple a phone in order to insure that the carrier will make enough money. The phone is as Apple wants it for it's customers that are willing to pay for good hardware, not for the carrier customers who largely want believe they are getting a good deal by paying for 'services' throughout a long contract.

    And this is where Apple may have blundered, at least in the US. The two year contract. We don't want it, we don't need it. Apple could charge half of what it made with the two year extension, $60, and still likely come out ahead in the long run.

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  4. All phones and all data services by xzvf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why can't we have all phones free as in freedom? When I buy a computer I can hook it up to any TCP/IP network and access the internet. Some I pay for and some I don't. When I buy a land line phone, it isn't locked into any phone company. I can plug it into any jack and it works. All I want from my cell provider is a data pipe to get to the internet or the voice network. Period.

    1. Re:All phones and all data services by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try just about any country in the world except the US. The a lot of phones are sold that way (and those that aren't can be released from their network for a nominal fee). You can walk into a shop and buy a SIM on its own (often they're free these days - worth it to the companies to get you on board) and sign up for a plan with no minimum contract or just go pay-as-you-talk.

      I still don't get why the iphone is considered so revolutionary, except it's the only one that's permanently locked to a single carrier and has a ludicrously long minimum contract.

  5. Another "analysis" missing the point by schnell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple is trying to upset the traditional business model for handset makers in that they wish to get a cut of recurring subscriber revenues, not just a one-time equipment sale. Apple is able to get this revenue (which in the long term means more than the phone sale!) precisely because it has granted exclusivity to a single carrier. If AT&T was no longer guaranteed to capture the vast majority of iPhone subscribers, it would neither have (a) implemented the needed Voicemail and EGDE network upgrades and the billing system+iTunes interface, or (b) agreed to give a cut of subscriber MRC to Apple.

    The simple calculus here is that carriers will do special things that Apple asks for (changing the way they bill and provision customers, plus handing over a cut of service revenue) in return for Apple doing something the carriers ask for (exclusivity). I don't think anyone would sensibly argue that carrier exclusivity is in the best interest of all customers, but that doesn't mean you're really tied to it. Those with the means and technical knowledge will continue to purchase and unlock phones to their hearts' content - that's the beauty of a GSM ecosystem (well at least for 2 of the 4 main US carriers). Apple and all the carriers internationally that it deals with - plus all the cellphone users who just want all of their cool Apple features to work with a minimum of hassle - will continue to pursue the exclusivity model for the foreseeable future.

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    1. Re:Another "analysis" missing the point by kevinbr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any Mobile operator would have implemented visual voicemail without an exclusive deal, I would doubt that the integration level was that difficult. Apple might have to have fronted the cost.

      Regarding EDGE Apple could have targeted EDGE enabled telcos. The provisioning in France was a joke - I spent 45 minutes in an Orange Shop, and still cannot change levels of iPhone plans online. Orange still has the normal provisioning system in place. So it seems Jobs only cares about the full experience for American customers. The service revenue of course would not happen, but sadly if he wants to destroy the traditional mobile world getting into bed with dinosaurs like Orange is not the way to go.

      Regarding billing systems, I doubt there is much integration.

      Mobile operators do all kinds of expensive integration ALL the time often with dubious rates of return. ( I have worked for all major European telcos )

  6. Steve's insistence on not having subsidies is dumb by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Steve Jobs wanted to change the way cell phones are bought but ended up just making so many annoying restrictions, even for customers that want to use AT&T/T-mobile/Orange that he ended up destroying the "simple" experience he so desired. He wanted people to be able to buy the phones directly from Apple without having to sign anything in store and/or online. However, when people started to unlock the phones Apple put in place tons of walls even for buyers that plan to use Apple's carrier. For example, you cannot buy iPhones with cash or Apple gift cards(in the states anyway). They announced this right before Christmas and many potential iPhone buyers already let it be known that they wanted Apple gift cards for Christmas so they could buy the iPhone. Instead, Apple just kicked them in the teeth.

    What I don't understand is why, when Apple dropped the price, they didn't just make the price drop a subsidy for AT&T customers instead. They could have offered $200 off AT&T service after the first month that wasn't applicible to cancellation fees, and could have extended it to early adopters so they wouldn't have felt burned. Would have allowed Apple to drop the price to AT&T users(well, it would take a few months to see all the savings I suppose), and would have given Apple 50% more revenue from unlockers. But I think Steve was just so set against "subsidies" that he decided to take the "I'll do anything to prevent you from getting an unlocked iPhone" route instead. I think that costed Apple not only customers and revenue, but a LOT of goodwill too.....

  7. Exclusivity is the point by da_matta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The whole point of the iPhone business model for Apple is to offer it exclusively so they can get part of the revenue. The idea is that iPhone as single product is so desirable that it will get people to switch from competitors (which is very expensive to achieve by traditional campaigns). And the real revolution of Iphone is that Apple managed to get this from the carriers. If there's no exclusivity, there's no revenue sharing.

    This idea of Apple being "forced to exclusivity" is ludicrous; they've worked very hard to achieve the exact opposite!

  8. Re:No choice... by owlnation · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think it's why they're called cell phones. Cell as in "imprisoned".

  9. So Apple is supposed to violate its contract? by DECS · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can Apple afford to stick to an exclusive carrier in the future? If for no other reason than consumer choice?"

    Can Apple leave its five year exclusive contract with AT&T? If for no other reason that to heed the cautionary woes of a Computerworld writer with tenuous grasp of business and markets?

    The problem with wags is that they talk about Apple, Microsoft, AT&T, etc as if they were characters in a play they were writing, apparently unaware of the real world constrains of money, technology, personnel, opportunity cost, and other resources. They write like they're genus for printing ignorant wishful thinking that sounds good only if you don't know what else is involved.

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  10. Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by nweaver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The iPhone is revolutionary because it just works.

    I've looked at smartphones in the past, and play with them whenever I'm paynig my wireless bill at the store instead of the mail.

    Other smartphones don't have web browsers that just works, they don't have email that just works, they don't connect to the computer in a way that just works they don't have a user interface so simple my mom can use it but so powerful I'd love to use it.

    I don't have one yet, because I don't NEED a smartphone. But if I wanted a smartphone, rather than just a cellphone, the "It Just Works" factor make it the iPhone or nothing.

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    1. Re:Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Other smartphones don't have web browsers that just works, they don't have email that just works I don't own a phone that really qualifies as a smartphone - it's an early 3G model with a small screen. I do own a 770, and when it's near my phone or near a WiFi point, web browsing (Opera) just works and so does email. I have friends who bought phones a year or so after me and they have web browsers that just work and which are easy to type URLs into with a pop-out keyboard. I've played with an iPhone, and it is nicer, but like OS X on the desktop it has a few UI issues that make it frustrating (although, admittedly, fewer than its competitors). Apple's motto used to be that their stuff 'just works.' Now it that their stuff sucks marginally less than their competitors.
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    2. Re:Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The iPhone is revolutionary because it just works.

      My dads old POS cadillac just "worked." It started every time. No one would call that car revolutionary.

      My treo "just works." I can make phone calls and surf the web.

      I'm not sure why people keep using this tired old canard, but lots of things "just work."

    3. Re:Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you explain just worksTM please, because this doesn't appear to be a meaning that matches up with my understand of "just works". Do you mean to say that web browers, email and computer connection on other phones don't work? Strange, even my dirt cheap phone does all that.

      If the market had really got to the stage where just working was "revolutionary", don't you think there would have been more of an uproar about the state of other phones? But no, everyone else carries on with their phones working just fine.

      I don't have one yet, because I don't NEED a smartphone.

      So you don't even have one, or any smartphone, but you make these claims? See, this is the problem. People ask reasonable questions on why it is revolutionary, and we get these nonsensical buzzwords "Oh hey, it Just WorksTM, Think DifferentTM", which then gets modded up, but still, no one is any wiser as to what's good about it. If people tried the same justifications on any non-Apple story, they'd quickly be modded down and ignored.

    4. Re:Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by awyeah · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My BlackBerry also "Just Works."

      When I receive an e-mail (corporate or personal), the email shows up on my handset before it does on my computer, and it has a physical keyboard with actual buttons - tactile feedback. When I add an appointment to the calendar on my computer or on my device, it syncs almost instantaneously. So the BlackBerry addresses the features that I want, and the iPhone doesn't. Therefore, I don't want an iPhone.

      So what?

      If you think it's a bad device, don't buy it. If you like it, buy it. Why argue about it? Who cares what types of devices other people are using. I don't care whether you're calling me from a bag phone, as long as I can hear you. I don't care how you see the web when you browse from your phone, it doesn't affect my life in any way. I don't care that you can see your voice mail on your screen. If those are features that are useful for you, buy the thing and get on with your life. If you don't care about those things, or don't want to pay $399, or if you don't like it for whatever reason, buy something else... it's your choice.

      I do have to say though - one thing that does bother me to no end - is the "look at my iPhone" people. Not every iPhone owner is like this, but there are some out there. You know who you are, and if you're not, you've met one. These are the people who show off the device whenever the opportunity arises. Example: You mention a funny video you saw on YouTube. You may get this reaction - "I saw that too... wait, let me pull it up on my iPhone.

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    5. Re:Why the iPhone is revolutionary... by tfoss · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wow thats a nice bunch of rabid anti-strawman blowhard crap. Way to let belittle a bunch of arguments that weren't made. Of course being slashdot, your anti-fanboyism seems to be winning out over reasonable discussion and argumentation.

      Most of them 'just work.'

      For some value of 'just work.'

      Apple's browser has real limitations too, but a fanboy on your level wouldnt be able to admit to them.

      Yes it does. You'll note I never said mobilesafari is the pinnacle of design or perfection of the mobile browser concept. No, apparently when someone suggests anything positive about anything apple, that to you is evidence of irrational thought and a desire to tech-fellate steve jobs. What an idiotic view.

      Interfaces are not that difficult anymore. We're not teaching people DOS.

      Are you really going to argue that all windowing interfaces are equally good/easy/useful? Seriously? Applying a 'its-not-DOS' heuristic to interfaces is pretty friggin weak.

      Just because Apple takes the "show them less" approach doesnt make them better.

      Talk about a tired old canard. 'Just shows them less' is about as asinine as you can get.

      I always feel like my hands are tied when using OSX until I can open a terminal window. Joe Sixpack isnt opening a terminal window.

      So you've just shown that 1. you aren't joe sixpack and 2....well pretty much only #1. That you need a terminal window to interface with a computer says you aren't doing the things that pretty much everyone else in the computer using public is. I love the fact that I can drop down to the terminal when the need arises, but honestly that is pretty rare (and one of the things I didnt really like about linux back in the decade I was using it, a terminal window is pretty much necessary, not a tool that is only rarely needed). And if you need a terminal to feel comfy, what the hell do you do on an XP box? And to counter your assertion with another equally valid (and likely more common) one: I always feel like I'm banging my head on a wall when I have to use XP at work.

      unusual idea of not worshiping OSX and Apple and revealing the real limitations they have....Or that the brushed aluminum look isnt the paragon of design....

      Rabid belittling of a strawman. OSX has plenty of limitations. Brushed aluminum is not the paragon of design. Happy? Have I (or anybody save your strawman) ever claimed otherwise?

      Not to mention I have the "unusual idea" that little UI changes arent revoltionary, they're barely evolutionary.

      No, rather you seem unable to accept that a lot of little UI changes that are evolutionary all put together actually make a difference. I don't give a crap if the UI improvements are minor, major, revolutionary, or nearly individually imperceptible, if they make it so I don't have to fight with or search around in my computer, I consider them good and useful.

      Or I have the "unsual idea" that showing me less isnt better for me.

      People always throw that one out...care to give me some examples of this? What generally useful features from another mainstream OS are so buried or unavailable in OSX?

      Or that I prefer a ,gasp, real keyboard and not a virtualized one.

      So for web browsing (which is where this topic started), you prefer the tradeoff of having a 40% reduction in screen size in order to have a tiny keyboard for the relatively small proportion of time you actually type while browsing? I don't think that is a good trade, even though I often find the virtual keyboard frustrating, It is sucky for emails and other text intensive functions (though most mobile keyboards are all somewhat crappy, physical or not), but browsing is probably one of the better circumstances for the large screen/no physical keyboard trade.

      but youre assumptions and apple ass-kissing are far

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  11. iTunes shouldn't be involved. by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "and then the ability to seamlessly activate via iTunes"

    "Seamlessly"? You have to have a computer connected to the Internet just to activate your phone? That is so lame. There's a huge population of people, especially outside the US, who have mobile phones but not computers. I wonder what percentage of those un-activated iPhones were bought by people who didn't realize they had to mess with a PC just to turn the phone on.

    And you still can't download music over the air link, can you?

    1. Re:iTunes shouldn't be involved. by 644bd346996 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a huge population of people, especially outside the US, who have mobile phones but not computers. And none of them have any relevance whatsoever. The iPhone costs more than a low-end computer to activate it.
    2. Re:iTunes shouldn't be involved. by daveschroeder · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Seamlessly"? You have to have a computer connected to the Internet just to activate your phone? That is so lame. There's a huge population of people, especially outside the US, who have mobile phones but not computers. I wonder what percentage of those un-activated iPhones were bought by people who didn't realize they had to mess with a PC just to turn the phone on.

      The iPhone requires iTunes for activation and OS updates (which sometimes will bring significant new features, unlike nearly all other handsets), which, in turn, requires a computer, or access to one, period.

      And, uh, I don't think people without computers are really the target market for the iPhone. The iPhone is part of Apple's iTunes/iPod/iTunes Store ecosystem.

      (And activation via iTunes is a hell of a lot more "seamless" than the crap hassle of most activation processes, in which many people don't always understand exactly what they're getting, either, because the sales rep does this sort of thing all the time (or is clueless), and the customer doesn't. Here, see for yourself.)

      And you still can't download music over the air link, can you?

      Um, yes, you can.

      And the Apple TV, with the new firmware, will also now download things directly from the iTunes Store without a computer being involved.

      So while the iPhone isn't really meant to be a standalone item, Apple is indeed moving things in the direction of these sorts of devices being able to work more independent of a computer.

  12. Contradictory conclusions by crmarvin42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point is many consumers feel no loyalty to carriers and resent being forced to choose one
    I hate to be pedantic, but isn't this statement fundamentally contradictory? If they have no carrier loyalty, then why should it be a problem to switch networks if they really want to use an iPhone? If the desire to use an iPhone is greater than the desire to stick with your network then it could be argued that you lack (sufficient great) carrier loyalty. If the desire to stay with your current carrier is greater than the desire to use the iPhone then it could be argued that you have loyalty to your current carrier. I fail to see how not liking your carrier would make you less likely to switch to AT&T so that you can (legally) use an iPhone.

    I've read a lot of articles, and at least seen mention of a lot more, that spout off about how Apple screwed up it's iPhone licensing deal by tying themselves to a single carrier. However, a lot of the time within the same article, or another article on the same site will often rave about how it is an example of one of the greatest product launches of all time. If Apple screwed up so bad, how did they do so well? It all strikes me as fanboy baiting. Write an article praising Apple, their products, or their tactics to bring in the apple hater, then write one denigrating Apple, their products, or their tactics (often implying that Apple is the new Microsoft) to bring in the Apple fanboy's (of which I'm arguably one). Each article is carefully crafted to miss obvious points and make glaring mistakes so as to ensure that it's attacked in the message boards driving up the hit counters and making more ad revenue than any other article that day.
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  13. What's the problem? by webword · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No one *needs* the iPhone. It is simply something that people desire.

    But that's besides the point.

    The article is about going global. No one is saying that Apple really plans to go exclusive around the world for the long term. They'll sign some agreements to get traction with the big carriers, and when 3G arrives, they'll adjust. They'll probably go for less than 5 years exclusive.

    Technology changes so fast that this is really a moot point. I'm not even sure why people are getting excited or worried.

  14. Notion of phone activation, not GSM-like by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like being able to activate at home without having to wait for a sales droid.

    The whole notion of phone activation is very CDMA like and is not part of the usual GSM experience. The only thing that should take activating is the phone account, and then you are free to move your SIM card from phone to phone. I have never need to activate any GSM phone I have got, so why should I need to do this with the iPhone.

    The iPhone has got many things right, but this does not make it a perfect phone. There are still missing features, that some people take for granted in GSM phones, like being able to transmit files and contacts via Bluetooth and MMS messaging, amongst others. Hopefully Apple will correct this or the competition will offer something that is even better, for us to lust over.

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  15. Re: iPhone and AT&T by ruffslash · · Score: 2, Informative

    For me, it's simple. I cannot afford the iPhone right now (and not for another 2 years). $400 for the gadget, 2-year commitment to AT&T (not a reputable company; caved in to admin demands to turn over its records to the government), another $600 to abrogate existing service commitment. FOOEY!

  16. Carriers by markov_chain · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It strikes me that the mobile networking situation in the US right now is what our wired Internet would be in had the greedy money-grubbing carriers been in charge of designing it. Your email would reside in central offices, and you would pay $1 to send or receive one (plus $1 per megabyte of attachments). The Web would be a set of AOL-like walled gardens with mutually incompatible content formats. Yay for VCASTrated YouTube! The scary part is that there were projects at former Bell Labs developing systems along that line under the PCS label. *shudder*

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  17. nothing new by nguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's also having structured, simple unlimited data plans, which is really what makes the iPhone shine.

    T-Mobile has had those for half a dozen years for the Danger Hiptop.

    It's about expanding the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iTunes Store ecosystem with a carefully planned strategy.

    Yes, that is what it is about: vendor lock-in. And that's why Apple is evil.

    It may be that someday, Apple really can't "afford" carrier exclusivity. And you know what? I'd imagine we'll see a change, then, won't we?

    You don't seriously believe that Apple has a lot of time on their hands? This isn't the desktop market, where Microsoft's monopoly has slowed progress to a crawl; Apple's features and UI will be cloned and improved upon within six months by a dozen phones, and at half the price.

  18. iPhone SIM lockdown by gullevek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last week a guy from America was here in our Tokyo office and he wanted to use his iPhone SIM card in a japanese phone, bummer, does not work. It worked with his previous plan, but well, iPhone SIM is so locked down, nothing works. Plus, the iPhone has no G3 so there is no way it will work in Japan anyway.

    Another example why lockdown is just plain stupid.

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  19. You're wrong by LKM · · Score: 2, Informative

    whoever insisted on the "Hey guys, let's have only one menu bar for every window, ever!" idea should never get to design a GUI again.

    Fitt's law. You're wrong, Apple's UI team is right. Not an opinion, either. UI design is science, not opinion.

    Also, Ubuntu has a very nice UI, but Windows? I remember installing a wifi card in a Windows laptop. At one point, the installation instructions told me to open the context menu on a entry in a subment of the Start menu to get to the card's properties. Really? That's less confusing than Mac OS? You're probably used to Windows and thus find Mac OS X confusing. Fair enough. For somebody who uses both regularly, the winner is obvious.

  20. Again, wrong. by LKM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And not to rip on your research, but I consider usability research pure BS. It's frankly impossible to objectively determine rules for what people find easier, when personal preferences vary so widely.

    Again, you're wrong.

    I think you don't quite understand how usability research works. This isn't some kind of voodoo where somebody simply determines that something works better than something else. These are valid studies, and there are rules that can be derived from doing these studies which apply to most people. GP mentioned the buttons in dialog boxes: On Windows, the default dialog box is a YesNo box. There's some text, then there are "Yes" or "No" buttons. On the Mac, the buttons contain verbs. For example, if you clean out the Recycle Bin, Windows asks you: "Are you sure you want to delete [your file]?" with "Yes" and "No" as possible answers. Mac OS X asks you something like "Do you really want to delete the Objects in the Trash? You can't undo this." with "Cancel" and "OK" as possible answers (I'm on Windows right now, so I can't check the exact wording). This is certainly not perfect, but it is better than Windows, because "Cancel" obviously cancels what you're doing, while you can't be sure whether "Yes" or "No" cancels the action on Windows. So, did somebody just set up this rule that you have to use verbs in buttons? No, Apple did a lot of usability studies when they originally came up with the Mac interface (read Tog's book on the subject for some interesting anecdotes about this). They found that people were faster and had less errors when the buttons contained verbs, because most people simply don't read the text in the dialog boxes (and if you have done support, as you claim, you'll know this).

    Another example is the menu bar you mention. You complain that the "universal" menu bar on the Mac is dumb. That's an opinion. Usability tests have shown that it is, in fact, faster and less error-prone than the "menu bar inside the window" solution on Windows an Linux. Why? Because you can't overshoot the top-of-window menu bar. According to Fitt's law, entries in the menu bar have infinite size. You just jam the mouse to the top of the screen, and you'll hit the menu. Again, the Mac's solution is not perfect, especially if you have multi-window setups, but it is better than the Windows solution, despite of your dislike for it.

    Which leads me to my final point: Unless you do studies, you don't know what solution is best, which is probably why you consider usability research BS. Results gained from studies often don't fit personal experience. The reason for this is not that the research is BS; the reason for this is that you can't evaluate usability objectively when you're observing yourself. A great example for this is keyboard shortcuts. People who use keyboard shortcuts think they're faster than using the mouse. Actually doing usability studies shows the mouse generally wins out, except for some specific, often-used shortcuts like Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V. This is science; hundreds of tests have shown this again and again. Your personal experience does not fit the actual facts. You can't evaluate usability based on your feelings (although a happy user is, of course, important, too :-).

  21. The iPhone is mediocre? Seriously? by jimfrost · · Score: 2, Informative
    By "mediocre hardware" I am guessing you're talking about the EDGE network support. Admittedly this is one reason why I didn't buy an iPhone (the other and much more important one being that the AT&T/Cingular merger created a lot of suckage that I have no desire to revisit). Other than EDGE the phone hardware and software is brilliant -- and not even just brilliant in a "first effort" kind of way, brilliant in a "boy does this make other phone handsets look really lousy" kind of way. That's obvious in the first few minutes of using it, and the more you use it the more the little details start to add up. In my opinion the iPhone represents as big a jump forward in interface and device design as we have seen in history, and the original Mac is the only other consumer product to even approach that level of discontinuity.

    As with the original Mac the raw hardware performance largely fades into the background. EDGE is slow, sure, but even in slow mode the iPhone browser beats the tar out of the using the lousy-to-the-point-of-useless browsers on other 3G-capable phones I've used. What the hell good is a fast network connection on those things, when you can't even use it?

    In terms of using the thing as a phone, I figure it's worth waiting for both 3G and the AT&T exclusivity arrangement to work itself out. In the meantime it's possible to get most of the usefulness of the device without AT&T, by far the major suckage point of the iPhone, even though it does mean giving up even EDGE support. I bought an iPod Touch as a replacement for my Palm T|X, now that Apple has come to its senses and shipped it with a full set of applications. The improvement in interface versus the Palm series (a product line that has thoroughly stagnated over the last three years) is really hard to overstate. I don't know what Apple's expectation of market is, but their "music player" is the best PDA on the market by leaps and bounds. (With one major misfeature: Needs a louder alarm!) I kind of wonder if Apple might, in the years before the AT&T contract expires, produce an iTablet that is pretty much the iPhone without the phone, or the iPod Touch with cellular data support. I have a Kindle as well and the EVDO support in it is brilliant where it is integrated well (Amazon store support) even though its web browsing feature is super-primitive to the point of being a "really need to know right now" limited tool. It could be an interesting product, although perhaps not mass-market enough.

    As an aside, I can only hope that touch-style UI design takes off. It's nice to see all the other vendors scrambling to make products with those kinds of interfaces, having been caught flat-footed (although you want to skip some of the other first-gen devices; the Touch phone that Verizon is selling right now ... let's be charitable and say it feels rushed). On small form-factor devices it is the difference between "works great" and "is practically unusable". Moreover I would absolutely love a 24" touch display for my desktop, that would make Photoshop way, way more convenient (mice suck, the tablet is a big improvement but it takes a lot of training to get used to writing down there while looking up here, and the Wacomm monitor/tablet that offers the best ergonomics on the market is ridiculously expensive). The interface is vastly superior to the mouse.

    So, getting back to my original reason for replying, I don't see that the iPhone hardware is really all that mediocre. There are a couple of design decisions, like EDGE and the fixed battery, that annoy a subset of the population but in the greater scheme of things appear to make little real difference (especially in the US which has narrow deployment of 3G networks). In terms of display, and interface, and application performance, and WiFi networking the devices thoroughly embarrass the competition. This is so much the case that I often wonder if the people complaining about lousy hardware have actually used an iPhone. It works more smoo

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