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Sun Snags Open Source Virtualization Company, Innotek

BobB writes to mention Sun has acquired Innotek, open source desktop virtualization vendor. "VirtualBox will remain free of charge under Sun and be placed in the company's xVM portfolio of virtualization products, Steve Wilson, Sun's vice president of xVM, wrote in a blog posting. 'If we're going to continue to give it away, why is Sun investing in VirtualBox? In short, because the developers that build applications have a huge amount of influence on how they're deployed," Wilson wrote in his blog. "We believe that developers using VirtualBox can help guide their friends in the data center towards xVM Server as the preferred deployment engine. Beyond that, I think there is a huge opportunity to link with Sun's other developer-related assets like NetBeans, Glassfish and (soon) MySQL.'"

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  1. Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

    Between what they've opened of their own - and the companies they've bought is anyone bigger in the open source realm?

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    1. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Drollia · · Score: 1

      Maybe IBM or Novell.

    2. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by d3vi1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nope.
      I know that both IBM and Novell have contributed to the open source community, but their contributions are small (in number of lines of code) compared to OpenOffice.org, OpenSolaris, Java and many others. Sun also contributed to a lot of projects (see the GNOME project), but in lines of code it's the products that they open-sourced that make the big difference.

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    3. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by sundarvenkata · · Score: 1

      So what is the point anyway? Can they hold a candle to VMWare and Xen? Please feel free to enlighten me.

    4. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by stoolpigeon · · Score: 1

      Isn't this being added to their product that is already based on Xen?
       
      Aside from that - if you are interested in FOSS - then it now pays to be aware of what is going on with Sun. That was my main point.

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    5. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You might have understated that. MySQL, Innotek, OpenSparc, OpenSolaris and other efforts, they may soon play a dominating role in the computing world that MS can only look at with envy.

      Even if it is mostly open or F/OSS, it still leaves MS with nothing to offer. Business, small and large will look at F/OSS software that is not only backed by a large OS maker, but also a large hardware maker with just as much desire as they do to MS now. Sun has been stacking the deck in their favor for quite some time and it's starting to look like a royal flush in there.

      Sure, you can quibble over the value of various items in Sun's stable, but it's nearly a complete stable. Not much of it, if any, is anywhere near as repulsive as Vista.

      Sun has opened their hardware (ish), opened the OS to enable use on different (reasonably priced) hardware, and are now picking up the applications that most businesses want to use, can use, or are already using.

      If IBM scared MS, they should now be afraid of Sun too.

      My point: MS is not the only 'we do it all' software house in the game. Sun is going from losing ground like a sieve to becoming a player that will upset MS's applecart.

      Yes, I wish the Solaris 10 SAMP stack was easier to work with, but it does work, and is getting better. It will be an alternative to RedHat and roll-your-own F/OSS, and will be another place to get support for your entire data center buildout. That means IBM **AND** Sun will both be in a position to outsell MS in the data center. Soon after that... well, lets just say I look forward to the MS good-bye party.

    6. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest that Suse isn't small...

    7. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      IBM, Redhat and I hate to admit Novel, still do a lot more (as far as I can tell) that Sun when it comes to open source software.

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    8. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Sanat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I feel that Microsoft will always have a market, however I also sense that the open source movements including Sun will put a major roadblock in their present path of being the 800 lb monkey.

      These changes seem to be right in front of us in the now moment and we have a ringside seat to watch it all go down. The next few years are really going to be interesting and will be something that we can tell our children or our children's children about in the future years... how open source came of age and the mighty Goliath(s) fell.

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    9. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

      xVM is Sun's name for their solaris-integrated Xen hypervisor.

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    10. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Asm-Coder · · Score: 1

      Novell never had rights to much of the Suse codebase... most of it came from the community and was simply included in the package called "Suse."

    11. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest you're wrong. SUSE bundles work done by other people in the OSS community. They do add some nice features, bug fixes, and tools, but they produce nowhere near the weight of OSS code that Sun does. I'll put the LOC count of OpenSolaris code that Sun donated against the donations of SUSE any day. The ratio would be grossly unfair, and that's without counting Sun's many other contributions!

    12. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by d3vi1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try looking a little harder. Sun contributed a lot more to open source than IBM or Novel or Red Hat. Most of it's contributions come from formerly proprietary software that was open sourced (OpenOffice, OpenSolaris, OpenJDK, etc.), but they also contribute a lot to projects such as Xorg, GNOME, Linux, Postgres, Samba, Xen, etc. Furthermore, there are projects started by Sun that from version 1 are open source (see OpenSPARC).
      Only the projects that I mentioned above contain more source code than Novel and IBM and RedHat ever contributed, and keep in mind that Sun contributes to a lot more projects.
      I really think that they are on the right track, even though they have occasional troubles (see the OOo contribution problem with the Novel folks, or the OpenDS issue).

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    13. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Okay, you are quite correct. I am in the wrong here.

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    14. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Kickersny.com · · Score: 2, Funny

      losing ground like a sieve
      Don't worry about it; that's just water over the bridge.
    15. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by g1zmo · · Score: 1

      Yes, I wish the Solaris 10 SAMP stack was easier to work with, but it does work, and is getting better. Veering off topic here, but as someone who makes a living setting up and maintaining Solaris and RHEL systems (among others) I'm interested to hear what you consider to be hard or inferior about AMP on Solaris 10 compared to RHEL.
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    16. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      People who live in glass houses sink ships.

    17. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      g1zmo,
      I'm more than happy to accommodate in the hopes someone has a really fine website to show me where I'm wrong. I'm just really getting started on a process of upgrading a truckload of Sun E-250s and E-450s from Solaris 5.8. I'm starting out by building Solaris 10 on several boxes in hopes of creating a repeatable and stable SAMP build for the Ultrasparc architecture. Most of the code I handle at work is shell scripts and PERL. We use some Oracle but are switching to MySQL at the same time here. Yeah, I know that is no good, but it has been decreed. What I want to end up with is a fully patched 5.10 system with Apache2, MySQL-64bit, Perl 5.8.8 with threads, and NOT have to build everything locally. I'm almost to the point of giving up on that.

      Right now, efforts are concentrated on the CSKcooltools off the Sun site. I've tried minimal OS installs to full OEM and the CSK stack. In all cases I end up with a number of dependency issues, library path issues or a combination that leads to what seems worse. Trying to fill in the holes with pkg-get (sunfreeware.com) and CPAN leads to more stress. The gcc-3.4.3 ships with one release and 3.4.5 ships with another release. Pkg-get upgrades to 3.4.6 and so far this is a don't-do-it upgrade. I've about given up on the Solaris shipped gcc and perl setups.

      I KNOW that someone somewhere has a list of packages built or list of installed binary versions to use as a guide... I just have not found it yet. I'm running low on aspirin. I just need that golden map.

      On RHEL? Not built with RHEL, but have on Fedora. The binary installs are all built with compatible development kits it seems, so binary package installs don't argue with one another. Just seems easy. If pkg-get worked out as well as yum in this process, I'd be VERY happy.

      Truly, I just want a command line to type in and be done, even if I know that is probably not going to be the final method. Trying to get to a 'here is the shell script' for an install point is really eating into my preventive medicine budget.

    18. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by the_B0fh · · Score: 1

      OK... I may be out of line, but sounds like you need the help of a competent Solaris admin/developer.

    19. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes, sort of. One that has installed 5.10 with a full SAMP stack without building everything locally on the machine. I'm near to the point of just building one set for the 250s and one set for the 450s by hand and using that. I had hoped that it was easier than doing things the gentoo method.

      I'm not dissing Solaris by the way, it's rock solid. I've got 5.8 boxes with years of uptime and zero complaints. It's the upgrade that is killing me. I have a need to move away from 32-bit hardware, into 64-bit software, and away from proprietary. The coming recession makes it necessary to eliminate some $1 million in licenses. Even paying $100/year in donations per box/app is pittance compared to Oracle licences, never mind OS and new hardware costs.

    20. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by AceJohnny · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

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    21. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by Temkin · · Score: 1



      Solaris xVM is Xen. They can't call it that because Citrix bought Xen and the naming rights. Solaris xVM is getting pretty good. They're contributing to the various open source management tools & API's. One of the neat things that a Solaris Dom0 can do is actually catch the stack trace of the hypervisor when it fails. That's huge!

      Looks like VB has some interesting USB capabilities.

    22. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      [Edit] -> [Delete Citation Tag]

      Comment: Citations aren't needed for obvious facts that can be derived from existing facts. Read the definition for "Linux distribution" for more info. ;-)

    23. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by discogravy · · Score: 1

      Unless they've figured out a way to get Solaris on users' machines -- at home /and/ in the office -- without a mass exodus of twitching users frothing about how unfriendly Solaris is (or how they perceive it to be, which ultimately is just about the same thing for a user), that party's further off than you might like. I see this as SUN's positioning itself against Windows Server 2008/Longhorn's Virtualization features (VM and load balanced? Exchange-native? MS-centric businesses are practically shitting themselves in anticipation.)

    24. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by kildurin · · Score: 1

      Ah, but lets not forget about NFS.

    25. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah, but killing the loose-lipped bird in the bush is worth more than a stone in one hand.

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    26. Re:Sun - Open Source Powerhouse by dwarfking · · Score: 1

      And don't forget about Netbeans as a competitor to Visual Studio.

      One place Microsoft has typically kept a lead is in providing simple, easy to use tools to allow quick development activities.

      Though many on /. will argue that applications built from these tools are usually inferior, because they allow fairly non-experienced people to quickly build apps, there is one point worth mentioning. Many companies grow via acquisition, and many of the businesses they acquire are really small 2-3 person shops. I know in our organization that has been the norm.

      Those small shops have tended to use the Microsoft suite because they are easier to use/setup/administer and provide a complete stack - IIS, .NET, SqlServer, Windows and Visual Studio. And Miccrosoft has a program to assist small idea shops by making these tools readily available as partners or via MSDN subscriptions. The people involved didn't have to worry about being system admins to get a working concept going.

      Sun, with a complete stack, and a decent tool in the form of Netbeans, has the potential to really rock the boat for Microsoft. And, since Netbeans has built in support for Glassfish (JBoss and others are available as well), a small 2-3 person shop can setup an environment to allow them to quickly develop applications.

      Add together Solaris x86, Java, Glassfish, MySQL, SunOne (LDAP), and Netbeans and you have a complete environment from one organization. Add a management console (such as Webmin) that sits atop them all and Apache, and you have what a small team needs.

      All Sun needs to do is come out with a live CD or simple stack image (remember Colbalt Cube, a small office server system that Sun bought?) that allows for quick setup and they can make a strong play for that small end market.

  2. Great news by unityofsaints · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a Vbox fan and user I welcome this move- I can see Virtualbox becoming a LOT more powerful in the medium to long-term future. Great performance virtualizing Sun products like Java and Eclipse would be sweet too. I like what Sun is doing in the opensource department, the OpenOffice 3 slide that turned up a few weeks ago looked very promising too!

    1. Re:Great news by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? I thought Eclipse was a competitor to Sun...

      In fact, I thought Eclipse was by IBM, for a very specific purpose. Why do you think it's called Eclipse? What does an eclipse do?

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    2. Re:Great news by bvimo · · Score: 1

      >What does an eclipse do? It makes you go blind, gives you a headache...

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  3. is it April 1st yet? by blitzkrieg3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Innotek... don't you mean Initech?

    1. Re:is it April 1st yet? by rishistar · · Score: 1

      As long as they don't start waking Egyptian Mummies that will unleash plagues of locusts and turn the water to blood.

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  4. Bad Collars by ewoods · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I don't like this company. I bought a shock collar for my lab and it was defective out of the box. They tried to charge me $45 to exchange it under warranty - on a brand new product. They put a little tag in the box that says you're not supposed to return it to the retailer and the retailer wouldn't take it back because of that. Not a good company. lol... True story, different company. How many of you suckers won't read this part of my complaint and just go off? ;-)

  5. I hope... by Rix · · Score: 4, Funny

    They buy fire insurance before they start moving desks and taking people's staplers.

    1. Re:I hope... by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Guess some people didn't get the reference.

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    2. Re:I hope... by lemonboy · · Score: 1

      "We'll go to the pound me in the ass prison, that's what'll happen"

  6. No way . . . by EightBits · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when they acquire Innotrode.

  7. Re:Great news, if you're not microsoft... by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    I bet they are hoppin' mad that THEY didn't acquire innotek just to "cockblock" others. I use VirtualBox, and it's presence in the repositories made most timely my new laptop purchase, considering vista was on it and it would have been more of a hassle for me to legally get xp.

    VirtualBox is fantastic for me.

    For those who say ms has "nothing to offer", they sort-of do, but I understand that it was their hope to malign Linux and Mac through the hope that MS WINDOWS would be the host, and that users would see windows as being more productive and feature-rich than the guest OS's offerings.

    For me, it couldn't be further from truth. I run vista home premium in quarantine in VB, and I could care less that the vista NIC is by design/default NOT enabled. Why? no vista virus vector...

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  8. Sun Clouds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean there are likely to be Sun cloud facilities in the near future? Or is there one already? Sun cloud, too contradictory, how about Rainbow?

    1. Re:Sun Clouds by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Hey, right off the top of my head, I get the following slogan for SMI:

      Sun: it's what's on the other side of The Cloud.

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  9. Links by condition-label-red · · Score: 4, Informative

    It would have been nice to have a link to Innotek and their product: VirtualBox. Which I am pretty sure is not associated with the dog training products that Google ranks at the top of its search.

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  10. Woops! by Eli+Gottlieb · · Score: 1

    They should have updated their OS X version of VirtualBox more often. I just switched to dual-booting my Macbook Pro with Linux (dead easy with rEFIt and Ubuntu), and I'm never going back from having the full use of my Geforce 8600 GTS available in Portal.

  11. Nice move, SUN -now port it to Solaris. by RLiegh · · Score: 1

    I've read a lot on the opensolaris forums about getting VMWare to work on Solaris -but I think this move is more to their advantage. VMWare is a closed-source application that they'll never really have control over -even if VMWare did agree to offer host support for Solaris. With Virtual Box all they need to do is get community support (and possibly import more components from qemu?) to add functionality onto the program while keeping control over the direction the program goes in.

    All they need to do is implement Solaris host support and it would almost be perfect (disregarding speed issues with both solaris and virutal box, of course).

    1. Re:Nice move, SUN -now port it to Solaris. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      All they need to do is implement Solaris host support and it would almost be perfect (disregarding speed issues with both solaris and virutal box, of course).


      Uhh.. it's already beta dude. Go to the Virtualbox web site and check the downloads.

      I keep preying they'll port it to one or more of the BSDs one day.
    2. Re:Nice move, SUN -now port it to Solaris. by SirTalon42 · · Score: 1

      Theres supposed to be a beta (somewhere) for FreeBSD.

  12. IBM's contributions to open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The following is a partial list of open source software that IBM either created outright, or has contributed to. You might be familiar with a couple of them.

    Abstract Machine Test Utility for Linux Common Criteria Certificate
    Abstract Machine Test Utility (AMTU) is an administrative utility to check whether the underlying protection mechanism of the hardware are still being enforced.

    AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications
    AIX Toolbox for Linux Applications contains a collection of open source and GNU software built for AIX 5L for IBM pSeries systems and IBM RS/6000.

    Ami - Korean Input Method
    Korean IMS (Input Method System) Ami.

    Anaconda
    Anaconda is the installation program for Red Hat distributions.

    Apache
    Home of the Apache Web server and several dozen related projects.

    Apache Ant
    Apache Ant is a Java-based build tool.

    Apache APR
    Apache Portable Runtime

    Apache Cocoon
    A Web development framework built around the concepts of separation of concerns and component-based Web development.

    Apache DB project
    Open source database solutions

    Apache Directory
    The Apache Directory project aims to produce a high-performance and production-quality LDAP server written in Java.

    Apache Excalibur
    Excalibur's primary product is a lightweight, embeddable Inversion of control container named Fortress that is written in Java code.

    Apache Forrest
    Apache Forrest is an XML standards-oriented documentation framework based upon Apache Cocoon, providing XSLT stylesheets and schemas, images, and other resources.

    Apache Geronimo
    Apache Geronimo is the J2EE server project of the Apache Software Foundation. The aim of the project is to produce a large and healthy community of J2EE developers tasked with the development of an open-source, certified J2EE server that: is licensed under the Apache License, passes Sun's TCK for J2EE 1.4, and reuses the best ASF/BSD licensed code available today, with new ASF code to complete the J2EE stack.

    Apache Gump
    Apache's continuous integration tool

    Apache Jakarta
    A diverse set of open source Java solutions

    Apache James
    The Apache Java Enterprise Mail Server (Apache James) is a 100% pure Java SMTP and POP3 Mail server and NNTP News server. James was designed to be a complete and portable enterprise mail engine solution based on currently available open protocols.

    Apache Lenya
    Apache Lenya is an Open Source Java/XML Content Management System and comes with revision control, site management, scheduling, search, WYSIWYG editors, and workflow.

    Apache Logging Services
    Cross-language logging services for purposes of application debugging and auditing.

    Apache Maven
    Maven is a software project management and comprehension tool. Based on the concept of a project object model (POM), Maven can manage a project's build, reporting and documentation from a central piece of information.

    Apache mod_Perl
    mod_perl brings together the full power of the Perl programming language and the Apache HTTP server

    Apache Portals
    Apache Portals is a collaborative software development project dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and freely available portal-related software on a variety of platforms and programming languages.

    Apache SpamAssassin
    SpamAssassin uses a wide variety of local and network tests to identify spam signatures.

    Apache Struts
    The goal of the Apache Struts project is to encourage application architectures based on the "Model 2" approach, a variation of the classic Model-View-Controller (MVC) design paradigm. Under Model 2, a servlet (or equivalent) manages business logic execution, and presentation logic resides mainly in server pages.

    Apache Tcl
    An umbrella for Tcl-Apache integration efforts

    Apache Tuscany
    Tuscany provides multiple language implementations of the Service Component Architecture (SCA) specifications and related technologies, such as SDO.

  13. Sun innotek acquisition by Fallen+Andy · · Score: 1
    Hopefully, they'll open source the full version (with in box usb). I'd *love* to be able to sandbox xp (with webcam support)

    cheaply on linux. I sometimes baby sit a friends internet cafe over here (Athens, Greece) and most of my friends customers just use yahoo msgr as a video phone to the phillipines, sri lanka, egypt etc.

    Read that as tech illiterate i.e. "how do i switch on this machine?" so changing msgr or OS isn't so easy. Despite the "year of linux on washing machines" fandom I still can't switch them from windows to linux. The program formerly known as GAIM isn't an option...

    Heard about the acquisition yesterday and kicked the tires. So, for anyone thinking of playing with VirtualBox - a quick summary. Yes, it's nice - the UI is prettier than MS's offering . Much more flexible options for mounting devices, shared folders etc.

    It's simple to use, but seems a lot slower for I/O etc. No guest additions for systems before win2k though (someone scratch that itch on the open source edition plz :-) ).

    Emulated video seems to be a plain vanilla VGA but isn't a known card so old systems like win98se end up 16 color 640x480 ). Can use pre-existing VMWare HD's. Emulates AC97 for audio, so perhaps not as useful as DosBox ,VPC 2004,7 for old games :-(

    A quick prayer to Sun though - if you're not going to open source completely the full version please at least open it community style (like OpenOffice.ORG).

    If you do that, the chances are that the vast Mongolian Hordes (R) of Linux hackers will crawl all over it and turn it into a real killer app.

    Andy.

    1. Re:Sun innotek acquisition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you do that, the chances are that the vast Mongolian Hordes (R) of Linux hackers will crawl all over it and turn it into a real MS killer app.


      There, fixed that for ya. ;)
  14. Innotek, Initech by John+Napkintosh · · Score: 2, Funny

    I find it appropriate that the story icon is a red Swingline stapler.

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