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NIST Working On "Deathalyzer"

coondoggie writes to mention that a new optical technique for sensing small amounts of molecules in a person's breath has been developed by a researcher for the National Institute of Standards and Technology. The goal is to create a fast, low-cost method for detecting disease. "In this approach, NIST researchers analyze human breath with 'frequency combs,' which are generated by a laser specially designed to produce a series of very short, equally spaced pulses of light. Each pulse may be only a few million billionths of a second long. The laser generates light as a series of very narrow frequency peaks equally spaced, like the teeth of a comb, across a broad spectrum."

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  1. Only One Thing To Debug... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the machine keeps declaring that everyone has "Stupidity"...

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    1. Re:Only One Thing To Debug... by exploder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They might debug the name, too. "Breathalyzers" detect alcohol, not breath. A "deathalyzer" sounds like it would be used for autopsies.

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    2. Re:Only One Thing To Debug... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe that sort of deathalyzer is just a mirror held under the corpse's nose.

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  2. That Guy Sitting Next to Me on the Bus by aquatone282 · · Score: 5, Funny

    . . . this morning - I think he's gonna die real soon.

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  3. Life Insurance & Medical Coverage? by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can see how this could affect premiums, let alone offerings.

    "None for you, deathbreath!"

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    1. Re:Life Insurance & Medical Coverage? by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good point....

      Insurer: Ok, Mr Smith, let's have a little puff here...
      *puffpuff*
      Insurer: Ooooh, that's not good... according to this you need to pay $435 per month. Sorry, blame technology.

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  4. Mostly Dead by DamienRBlack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Officer: I'm sorry sir, the deathalyzer says you're too far over the legal 'dead' limit to be driving. What do you have to say for yourself?

    Passenger: But officer, he can't say anything he's dead.

    Officer: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.

    Passenger: What's that?

    Officer: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

  5. Other applications? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how well this technology could be adapted for other applications, such as detecting contraband in travelers' luggage, or detecting explosives. Perhaps for detecting survivors or casualties during disasters?

    Could we be seeing the demise of the drug/bomb sniffing dog with this new tech?

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  6. To Blathe! by dsginter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will this deathalizer tell me if someone is only mostly dead?

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  7. few thousandths? by MyNymWasTaken · · Score: 4, Interesting

    few million billionths

    Is that a few thousandths or a few quadrillionths?
  8. Already exists by nedburns · · Score: 5, Funny

    They better be careful before someone sues for patent violation for detecting "old stench".

    The human nose can detect the particles accurately as you walk through a nursing home or hospital.

    1. Re:Already exists by Missing_dc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I wish I had not spent my mod points this morning, this one is not "troll"

          Its perfectly true, having woked at a hospital myself, I can often smell when someone has illnesses and you would be amazed at how many nurses can tell you what a person probably has just by the smell of the room. I've discussed this with many a pretty nurse in the cafeteria. (morbid, I know... it came with the job)

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  9. couldn't they use this to detect other things? by aldousd666 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Like marijuana or cocaine? Wasn't one of the primary complaints against legalizing marijuana from a law enforcement perspective the lack of ability to monitor the level of intoxication of a user? Well there you go. Hippies rejoice. It's a step toward your green [smoke] goal. Tree hugging anyone?

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    1. Re:couldn't they use this to detect other things? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While you are correct about the being able to "test" how intoxicated someone is with pot, I think it less of a matter of "How would we do it?" to more like "How can we test for inability to drive differently?".
       
      The breathalyzer HAS worked with alcohol intoxication, but rather than thinking about how we can adapt it to other things, the better approach, I would say, is to just test in a different way. After all, there could be multitudes of things, both legal and illegal, that can put you in a state where you should't be driving... cough medicine, insomnia for days, pain meds from a recent surgery, not wearing your glasses, just being too old etc. A process of evaluation of your driving skills needs to be adopted. Check if pupils are dilated. Check if they can read the sign being held ten feet away. Walk in a straight line. Recall five objects that were spoken thirty seconds ago.
       
      A lot of this is part of a sobriety test, but if these tests were streamlined, tweaked, and changed a little, it can be the perfect catch all for anyone who shouldn't be driving... not only those who have been drinking/smoking pot.

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  10. Dr. McCoy had one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So we'll be able to wave a flickering sensor over someone to get medical info? Seems familiar...

  11. Re:What, no "Sharks" tag? by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    /. is slipping....a story about lasers and no sharks tag?!? Shocked I tell, shocked. They tried mounting a Deathalyzer on a shark, but the result was always that the subject would die within a few seconds.
  12. Whoa!! Bizarro universe has EXACT SAME NEWS!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    I somehow loaded Slashdot from a bizarro universe. It was gone by the time I refreshed it, but not before I got a screenshot... Here is my transcription (emphasis added)...
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    End of Zombie Menace in Sight? NIST Working On "Deathalyzer"
    Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Wednesday February 20, @01:36PM
    from the payback-time department

    coondoggie writes to mention that a new optical technique for sensing small amounts of death molecules in a persons breath has been developed by a researcher for the National Institute of Standards and Technology. This technology might one day be used as a fast, low-cost method for detecting whether someone is a zombie.

    "In this approach, NIST researchers analyze human breath with 'frequency combs,' which are generated by a laser specially designed to produce a series of very short, equally spaced pulses of light. Each pulse may be only a few million billionths of a second long. The laser generates light as a series of very narrow frequency peaks equally spaced, like the teeth of a comb, across a broad spectrum."
    Could this mean the end of the zombie menace?
  13. Sound like a form of hi-tech infra-red scan. by bornwaysouth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article is vague on how it works, but as a once upon a time chemical analyst (way way back), this sounds like it is doing the equivalent of an infra red scan, using rapid chopping the frequency the vibrations. Dunno. I just used the machines, I'm not a physicist. It may be a better way of doing it.

    But the concept of detecting for a whole bunch of compounds at once has been around for many decades, as is the idea that you can detect health and sickness states with it. The ideas all seemed to bog down in reality. Pattern detection relies an a massive reliable database. In the article, they focussed on asthma. As a (once) chemist, I noted that hydrogen peroxide was now hydro-peroxide, and the nitrite and nitrate ions were somehow volatile. Not show stoppers, but cause for questioning what they actually were detecting. And rather hi-tech compared to a cardboard peak flow meter.

    The social impact if it works is rather similar to gene scanning. If an employer tests applicants for jobs, then not only being a smoker can be detected. Maybe a whole bunch of disease risks. The individual risk increases may not be enough to diagnose a specific disease (so no use to a clinician), but a doubled risk of asthma, heart conditions etc would all ad up to a statistical bad risk. Life insurers also might like the idea.

    So you may find it threatening. On the other had, if you are healthy, why have high insurance premiums. Oh well. Definitive tests for disease have been invented before. And people very sharply fall into the Want-to know or Don't-tell-me camps. Having the info acquired under a form of blackmail makes for problems.

    1. Re:Sound like a form of hi-tech infra-red scan. by repapetilto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yea to me it looks like spectroscopy, except instead of first purifying the sample then dissolving it, its some sort of gas chromatography device that separates the different molecules for you (based on how much each type sticks to the walls), then you scan whatever absorption frequencies your looking for with the laser and compare the energy you detect with what the laser put out. Wherever there was absorption(depends on the frequency and molecule) will tell you what was in there by comparing the spectra with that of known molecules. The trick here seems to be that you don't have to prepare the sample at all, and they use a series of ultra-short laser pulses rather than normal em radiation in order to detect low concentrations easier. Cool idea.

      Also hydro-peroxide is the name for a different molecule (actually class of molecules) than hydrogen peroxide, R-O-O-H vs H-O-O-H respectively. And I assume the nitrate/nitrate ions are either hydrogenated or they regulate the pressure and lower it enough for the ion to enter the gas phase. That diagram has a "tedlar bag" attached for some reason though, so maybe theres some extra reaction going on between certain molecules and the tedlar, or the bad could be made of tedlar, thats not clear.

  14. Robotic sniffing dog overlords... by Nick+Driver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Could we be seeing the demise of the drug/bomb sniffing dog with this new tech?

    Maybe. But maybe we'll just see the rise of the electronic sniffing machines that can easily be surreptitiously programmed to report falsified findings, kinda like electronic voting machines.

  15. But seriously folks... by mawhin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure we're many of us familiar with the story of a few months back about the nursing home dog (perhaps cat?) that appeared to be able to smell impending fatality amongst the residents. And I personally will not forget the smell of cancer on my father's breath before he died early.

    It's not beyond reason that the chemical composition of the breath might be detectably altered by disease. Nor that sensitive enough equipment might be able to detect this early and cheaply enough to be usable as a screening method.

    In the hands of medics, sworn to confidentiality, this could help avoid considerable suffering and early, pointless death.

    I don't see it as a threat to civil liberties. It's like the hypodermic. It's been used for many years as a tool in the psychiatric opression of political dissidents, been used to murder, been used to torture and so on and so forth.

    But would you honestly rather the hypodermic had never existed? Of course not.

    A hammer can be used to hurt you. Would you have them banned?

    Personally, I'm hopeful about this one.

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  16. Dogs are trained to smell skin cancer by JonTurner · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is basically an electronic nose, (an astoundingly sensitive one) which could be used for many purposes such as narcotic interdiction, explosives detection, etc. And could be used to detect various vorms of cancer:
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/01/0112_060112_dog_cancer.html

    "Our study provides compelling evidence that cancers hidden beneath the skin can be detected simply by [dogs] examining the odors of a person's breath," said Michael McCulloch, who led the research.

    Two additional anecdotal stories of early cancer detection by dogs:
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-09-24-cancer-sniffing_x.htm

  17. Diabetes - acetone on breath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I had a mate who wasn't drinking test positive on a couple of breathalizers, but a blood test came up negative. He was arrested and it shook him quite badly. This is a whole new way of ruining lives.

    Since you used the term 'mate' to describe your friend, I'll assume that you're perhaps in Australia???

    People who have diabetes (even mild forms that otherwise do not need insulin treatments) often exhale small amounts of acetone, as that is a byproduct of improper metabolism of sugars in diabetics. Acetone causes the ethanol sensing mechanism in handheld breathalyzers to go ape-shit crazy and falsely over-report the presence of ethyl alcohol. Police officers in the USA are supposed to be trained specifically to be on the lookout for this situation in order to get certified to use the breathalyzer and be able to use its test results as evidence in a court of law.

    Also people on low-carb diets will have elevated levels of acetone in their bloodstream.