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Jack Thompson Served With Order to Show Cause

cli_rules! writes "DailyTech has reported that Jack Thompson has been ordered to explain himself. 'Therefore, it is ordered that you shall show cause on or before March 5, 2008, why this Court should not find that you have abused the legal system process and impose upon you a sanction for abusing the legal system, including, but not limited to directing the Clerk of this Court to reject for filing any future pleadings, petitions, motions, letters, documents, or other filings submitted to this Court by you unless signed by a member of The Florida Bar other than yourself.'"

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  1. Nice, but.... by Nero+Nimbus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where is the itsabouttime tag?

    1. Re:Nice, but.... by Grimbleton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Gun culture" isn't a problem. Crazy people buying guns via non-legal channels and going on a rampage is a problem. Please don't confuse these two in the future.

    2. Re:Nice, but.... by spathi-wa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      GP mentioned "gun culture" and linking that directly to rampages and random crazy people shootouts is presumptuous. I would say it is you who is confused.

    3. Re:Nice, but.... by gnasher719 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      forsooth, I as well have a stack of guns, and numerous bad days. The reason i don't shoot people is because i'd rather have a bad day where i live, Vs. a bad day in a federal prison, which comes with a lot more surprise butsecks in the showers. not down with that, so i don't shoot people. Are you serious? The reason why you don't shoot people is that you don't want to go to prison?

      If that is the only reason then you are not human and should be shot immediately.
    4. Re:Nice, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the "gun culture" you talk about that needs addressed? I own multiple guns including hand guns, rifles, and shotguns. I like to go to gun shows. I hunt once or twice a year and eat what I kill. I hand load my ammo. I've never shot at another person nor have I ever used a gun or mention of one as intimidation. What is wrong with that culture? Perhaps you mean "violent gang culture" or something along those lines, but guns in and of themselves are neutral. They are simply tools.

    5. Re:Nice, but.... by adarklite · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As part of the gun culture I have to object to the some of the statements made about how its a part of the problem. The day they decide to outlaw guns is the day I become a outlaw and they can come pry my gun from my cold dead fingers. Outlawing weapons has always been the first step of dictators to exert more control over the populace. History has proven that.

    6. Re:Nice, but.... by gruntled · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can I stop this thread right now by going straight to the end and asking, So if you had the opportunity to go back in time and kill Hitler in 1925, you wouldn't do it?

    7. Re:Nice, but.... by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is he being modded down? He's absolutely right!

      The American Revolution would never have happened if the populace was not armed to the teeth. I hate to say it, but if our government ever collapses into a blatant dictatorship, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be unarmed.

      "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
      -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

    8. Re:Nice, but.... by bwalling · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't be so foolish as to think the only way to stop Hitler was to kill him. What's the deal with needing to kill people? Let's figure out why Hitler became Hitler and fix that problem rather than pouring more money into guns or the military. I think it's pathetic that we think guns are a solution to a problem.

    9. Re:Nice, but.... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

      Outlawing weapons has always been the first step of dictators to exert more control over the populace. History has proven that.

      Dead wrong. In Irak, e.g., almost every houshold had an assault rifle and ammunition under Saddam. Numerous other counterexanples exist.

      So if you think gun control is a reliable indicator for the level of freedom in a society, you will wake up surprised one day. And far, far too late.

      Seem to me your command of history is right up there with your grasp of the gun problem.

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    10. Re:Nice, but.... by mortonda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A quote I love from RotK: "Those who live not by the sword can still die by the sword". Unfortunately, sometimes the only solution is to fight. Sure, in hindsight, you may come up with a plan of how to change it, but in realtime, throughout all humanity? Good luck with that. Only God is omniscient and omnipresent, and I don't think "God" is in your name.

    11. Re:Nice, but.... by Miseph · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ATTN: Gun owners

      gun culture != gun ownership

      Many places have widespread gun ownership and do not share our gun culture (see: Switzerland).

      Furthermore, asserting that a cultural norm of using firearms against other people will not result in people using guns on one another is just outwardly silly. Tell everyone that shooting people is cool (which we most certainly do) and it stands to reason that people will actually do it.

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    12. Re:Nice, but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, I'd consider him/her quite human. The ability to override one's urges due to a discrete understanding of future consequences is a markedly human trait.

    13. Re:Nice, but.... by Faylone · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, but he does post on Slashdot... http://slashdot.org/~God

    14. Re:Nice, but.... by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh come on. No really, how utterly stupid.

      If your government collapsed, it's highly unlikely that you wouldn't be able to arm yourself. The possibility of governmental collapse at some hypothetical point in the future cannot be used as justification for universal gun ownership.

      You've got the highest rate of gun related deaths in the western world. Like it or not, it's because there are so many guns in private ownership.

    15. Re:Nice, but.... by armada · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Forget the Gun Culture people. The Car Culture People are the ones that scare me. If there is a tool on this earth that kills more people than cars and should be scapegoated for the actions of it's wielder please let me know so that my ignorance can be more acutely focused.

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    16. Re:Nice, but.... by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I prefer to get my health care on a timely basis, from the doctor of my choosing, thankyouverymuch.

      And if you lose your job and cannot pay health insurance, or are denied a payout on your health insurance, that's ok too?

      Guess so.

      It's interesting that most people who don't view the lack of universal health care as a problem, currently have health insurance.

      Go ahead, say it's because of Micheal Moore that I say this.

      Wrong...

      I worked in social services here in the uk in the eighties. Back then I attended a lecture series on the US health system. This included details about people being left to die in parks after being dropped off by ambulance, denial of care based on it being 'experimental' (e.g. expensive), and many other points that he raised.

      Outside of the US, many of his points are old, old news.

    17. Re:Nice, but.... by TaliesinWI · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. The nationalism and fear that put Hitler in power could have just as easily put Hans Gruber (how's that for a generic German name?) in power. If anything, Nationalism and anti-Semitism could have actually festered for longer, attracted someone just as mad with power, but who wasn't going to have an eventual descent into Parkinson's and madness. Someone who would have implemented "The Final Solution" earlier on in his reign and more efficiently, and who would have been a better general and used his military more effectively. The Germans beat themselves in some cases just as effectively as the Allies did. (Not to say the Allies didn't do anything - far from it - but Germany made some critical missteps early on that were obvious to everyone but Hitler.)

    18. Re:Nice, but.... by hedwards · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that in the case of NIU the individual was legally allowed to purchase firearms from a legally licensed gun shop who performed at least one background check. In the WV massacre last year, the lack of cooperation between agencies allowed him to purchase his weapons through a shop that was observing relevant legislation as well.

      But yes, there is the need to clean up the illegal channels first before we seriously consider whether wider gun bans are necessary. The D.C. Sniper purchased his weapons from the Bull's Eye in Tacoma, a shop which was later closed for multiple violations of gun control legislation. The last thing we need is for the US to turn into the kind of unmitigated disaster that the UK has been since they banned firearms. They did an excellent job of demonstrating that firearm bans aren't really anywhere near enough, and that perhaps registries and gun locks would be more effective.

      Where gun culture plays into it is that there is a ridiculous degree of resistance to legitimate regulation on people buying weapons that serve no purpose other than killing people. Gun nuts that support not just the use of pistols, rifles and shotguns for hunting, but also fully automatic weapons for hunting as well.

      What we really need is better access to mental health coverage and screenings so that those people who do have that level of need can get the treatment they need. Around here Ms. Harps was stabbed to death on new years eve by a man with serious mental health problems, it turns out that he had himself tried to get committed a few days previously and been declined.

      As for how video games may or may not play into this whole thing, it's minimal at best, the extent of it is more likely than not, just the fact that time gaming is time not going outside and having face to face interaction with other people.

    19. Re:Nice, but.... by SendBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The attacker in the most recent episode of a domestic mass shooting purchased his weapons 100% legally, as did a man who shot his estranged wife 6 blocks away from where I type this. He likely would have killed himself too had not someone I know personally wrested the gun away from him.

      Look at all the ordinary people who fell in with the pro-war sentiment prior the iraq occupation, and how their attitude that violence is a legitimate solution to a falsely perceived threat has affected this country and the world since then.

      I like guns, but I don't like shooting people unless it's paintball or video games. I wouldn't say "gun culture" is a problem, rather "violence culture".

    20. Re:Nice, but.... by boyko.at.netqos · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always thought the first step of dictators to exert more control over the populace (according to historical trends) was invoking a terrifying internal and external enemy, followed by creating a prison system outside the rule of law, developing a paramilitary group of scary young men to terrorize citizens, setting up an internal surveillance system, harass citizens' groups, engage in arbitrary detention and release, target civil servants, artists, and academics with job loss, control the press, cast dissent as treason, and suspend the rule of law.

      Confiscating guns seems to me to be, if anything, purely optional, and is almost always done AFTER an armed resistance would have little to no effect anyway.

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    21. Re:Nice, but.... by rucs_hack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Universal health care has a tendency to lower the average skill of the doctors, and I can only see such a thing as being detrimental to society.

      What!

      Lower the skill of doctors? How can allowing a doctor to try and treat anything they come across be detrimental?

      I'm not a doctor of medicine, but I worked with many over the years. The most talented doctor I ever met is one I've known since childhood, when he was my family doctor. I then worked with him directly for almost a decade. he was always in the health service, and was, in my opinion, suberbly capable, his diagnostic abilities were excellent, and his creativity in finding solutions admirable. When working in NHS hospitals I also met many great doctors.

      Your argument does not stand up to my own observations, and I was a clinical nurse specialist.

      Since I must admit that there are imperfections in any system, I did meet an awful doctor who would never have made it to consultant in private healthcare. When I knew him he was an arrogant fool, and we had a huge argument in theatre when I refused to obay a crazy instruction regarding a patient about to undergo surgury. That particuler doctor went on 'extended leave' shortly after (I suspect as a result of my threatening he hospital that I would make my objection official, since he left the next week, try that in a private health system...), and came back a little better, almost good enough for me to consider working with him. He stands alone as the only example of the bad side of free healthcare, and it still may not be fair to use him as an example, since he clearly had problems that might have been unrelated to his position.

      No system is perfect, but a system that denies treatment based on financial criteria is one that it inherently unfair.

    22. Re:Nice, but.... by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually we don't have a gun culture. We have an anti-gun culture. When combined with our "bad boy" culture, you get problems with guns. Our population is bombarded day an night with how bad guns are, and how they are the root of all of our crime. Children are taught in school that guns are evil, and that they should report it if they see one. Heck, just walking down the street with an unloaded shotgun is likely to get you arrested.

      Of course, at the same time, we are bombarded with the idea that it's cool to be bad. That criminals and assholes get all the sex. That power comes from crime. This leads to two things. 1) When someone wants to show just how "bad" they are, they use a gun. Not because the gun IS bad, but because they have been convinced that it is bad. And 2) Taking away the guns won't help in the slightest, as there are not "bad guys" because of guns, and the people wanting to show how bad they are will simply use something else.

    23. Re:Nice, but.... by kaizokuace · · Score: 2, Insightful

      maybe if we had universal health care doctors could catch the crazies before they get too crazy and shoot up the place!

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    24. Re:Nice, but.... by gruntled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh for God's sake. The American Revolution would never have happened if the people who lived here had been able to vote.

      I have a concealed carry permit for work reasons, but anybody who thinks a fully automatic weapon, or a 50 caliber sniper rifle, or any other firearm you care to name, is going to hold off a squad of United States military personnel trained and equipped with enough firepower to bring down a mechanized infantry unit is freakin' delusional. Trust me, it's not fear of your 45 that keeps the government from kicking down your front door. The vast, vast, VAST majority of the men and women who work for the United States government spend most of their time trying to protect your rights, not scheming about how they can oppress you, and they don't do that because they're afraid you'll "rise up," they do it because it's their job. Get a grip. Crazies give gun ownership a bad name.

    25. Re:Nice, but.... by Loligo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      gruntled: anybody who thinks a fully automatic weapon, or a 50 caliber sniper rifle, or any other firearm you care to name, is going to hold off a squad of United States military personnel trained and equipped with enough firepower to bring down a mechanized infantry unit is freakin' delusional.

      ...yep, cause if there's one thing we've learned from Iraq, it's that a bunch of loosely organized militia groups with small arms and improvised explosives could NEVER resist the might of the US military.

      Right?

      Truth be told, nobody thinks one guy with a .45 is going to fight the revolution. It's the other 80 million gun owners that will make it possible. Of course, this assumes it ever gets bad enough to get 80 million Americans to put down the Bud Light and get off their couches long enough to do something...

    26. Re:Nice, but.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Let's figure out why Hitler became Hitler and fix that problem rather than pouring more money into guns or the military.

      Hitler was reportedly "despondent" over not being able to sell a single painting as an art student (he had no talent, from the sample I've seen.) Maybe the answer is to go back in time and buy his shitty painting of a flower.

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    27. Re:Nice, but.... by gruntled · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Excellent analogy. Because the Canadians would certainly be directly supporting the American insurgents, plotting to take over the United States for the nefarious ends of the Mounties (or, as they're known at the Department of Homeland Security, the Red Guard), plus the American military personnel would have to function in completely foreign environments, like the neighborhood down the block from the one they grew up in, together with the difficulties associated with a non-native force struggling to understand local customs as well as deal with an enormous supply chain that would force units to drive six inches to rearm.

      Seriously, the suggestion that the American military machine could not completely shut down any US "revolution," if such an insane thing were to occur, is delusional thinking. But of course, it's no more delusional than thinking that we don't live in a democracy, that you can't affect change through the ballot box, that it always comes down to who has the most bullets, and that the only way to fix things is to get all my fellow believers together and form a militia to defend ourselves against the crypto-fascists who want to take our guns away. (Note: I am not saying there are no crypto-fascists in government, and I'm not saying that nobody in the government ever fantasizes about ruling us with an iron fist, I'm saying that all the other decent people in government won't let that happen, and I would argue that the recent revelations about "bad things" the current government has done or tried to do is evidence that it's pretty hard to mount a secret conspiracy to take your rights away). Hey, you want to start a revolution? Run for office.

      Since I started carrying a pistol (death threats; need I mention they're from crazy gun freaks?) I've been forced (like, at the gun range) to come into contact with this bizarre subculture whose members are convinced that everything about America is a lie. It's like they think XFiles is a series of documentaries. From my perspective, if it's a choice between worrying about people who are professional bureaucrats suddenly throwing all their ideals out the window and deciding to shoot American civilians versus worryng about people who are honest to god crazy, I'd worry about the crazy.

    28. Re:Nice, but.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We don't have a gun culture, what we have is a culture of media-ocrity. Kids spend more time watching television than going to school and the media exalts violence and commercialism. Lately it's been getting slutted up too. Anyone who says that watching eight hours of mass-media television a day won't rot your brain is obviously a dillhole, every system except for a few involving bacteria are garbage in, garbage out all the way. Any "gun culture" you may have believed existed is just an offshoot of our "media culture". It's part of the public paranoia promoted by a news media that shows us only the sensationalistic crap that will ensure their ratings because we as a people have shown that we react well to being shown bright and shiny things.

      If we really had a "gun culture" problem then we'd have more firearm deaths than alcohol deaths or auto deaths. In 2001 (easy stats to find) we have around 75,000 alcohol deaths, ~40,000 auto accident deaths, and 29,573 firearms deaths, 57% of which were suicides - which means that they could as easily have been slit wrists or heads in the oven, assuming the statistic is correct. (ho ho)

      As you can see from that last link, the total number of deaths is falling over time, and the percentage of suicide is rising... and of course the population is rising in this country. So uh... it looks like what gun problems we have - and there are problems, just as there are problems with knives, and there were problems with swords and bows before them, are being worked out.

      So sorry, I don't see your gun culture bit. Guns are tools meant for killing, and we enshrine violence. Guns are just a symptom. They're the most convenient way to kill someone, so of course we're going to use them. Get rid of them and you'll just see more stabbings and stranglings.

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    29. Re:Nice, but.... by Fifth+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry. Godwin's Law doesn't work if you deliberately invoke it.

    30. Re:Nice, but.... by knight0wl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is he being modded down? He's absolutely right!

      The American Revolution would never have happened if the populace was not armed to the teeth. I hate to say it, but if our government ever collapses into a blatant dictatorship, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be unarmed.

      "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
      -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 That Jefferson quote made alot of sense and was absolutly correct when the best weapon the government had available was the musket and the best weapon that the average civillian had was also a musket. But when the government has bombs, planes, nuklear/biological/chemical weapons, special forces, various kinds of armor, tanks, etc., and the best weapon that a civillian has available is a gun, really just an Nth generation musket, the situation is a little different.
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    31. Re:Nice, but.... by bataras · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My dog overrides her urge to urinate on the floor and tells me she needs to go outside because she understands the future consequence of doing so will be getting scolded. She understands I will get angry at her. She more than overrides it. She holds it for a long time while trying to tell someone she needs to go outside.

    32. Re:Nice, but.... by gruntled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, no I am under no such impression. I am describing the crazies, loons who think they and their 9mm are all that stands between liberty and the military turning on its own citizens. Your scenario is of course accurate; even if some overtly fascist goon somehow managed to get his hands on the levers of power and ordered the military to suppress Americans, a huge chunk of the military wouldn't show up for work the next day. That doesn't make the crazy gun-lover scenario of noble crazy gun lovers fighting off a squad of brown-shirted Rangers less crazy; in fact it makes it more crazy. So, to sum up: Crazy gun-loving people should stop saying their guns are all that stands between us and a fascist America. That's insulting to the military, its insulting to people who work in the government, and it's insulting to the electorate. It also makes it a zillion times harder for those of us who are not in fact crazy to talk about our guns to our friends, as there are so very many crazy people with guns right now that just having a gun suggests that you might in fact be crazy. Crazy people should, you know, be quiet.

  2. Next up... by imasu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jack Thompson sues court for defaming him!

    1. Re:Next up... by jez9999 · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you think about it, courts are murder simulators, or at least very damaging to society. I mean, you can go there any day of the week, and see ruthless criminals! This would definitely damage impressionable young childrens' minds.

    2. Re:Next up... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 4, Informative

      Jack Thompson sues court for defaming him! RTFA - he has *already* stated that he's going to challenge this in the federal courts, and "deconstruct The Florida Bar".
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    3. Re:Next up... by glwtta · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, and Jack Thompson is just the sort of Champion of the People to do it!

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    4. Re:Next up... by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      going to court and seeing jack thompson escape justice over and over again would definitely damage impressionable young minds.

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    5. Re:Next up... by yotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      I fully expect, as they're dragging him away, him to yell, "But.... but I'm INVINCIBLE!"

    6. Re:Next up... by sqlrob · · Score: 4, Informative

      Probably won't cut it, and if it does, there's some psychiatrists that are going to be out a job.

      He's had two evaluations, and supposedly passed both of them. One was recent, and after the first one, he claimed to be the only certified sane lawyer in Florida.

    7. Re:Next up... by schon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How can we reject in advance one argument while allowing other arguments to be heard endlessly? What the hell are you talking about?

      The *COURTS* have found that he's bringing baseless lawsuits. They did this because *OTHER LAWYERS* complained about him. What the hell does that have to do with people protesting abortion?

      So the real question lurking behind it all is just how responsible can anyone be for creating material that will set a lunatic on a bad outburst. No, that's begging the question.

      First prove that these "unstable people" are being triggered by the content, and not by simply reacting to other factors in their lives.
    8. Re:Next up... by EvilIdler · · Score: 3, Funny

      You are confusing "crazy" with "stupid".

    9. Re:Next up... by cazbar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not defamation if it's true.

      Of course Jack Thompson's brain doesn't have any connection with reality. He probably believes he is in the right.

    10. Re:Next up... by Nimey · · Score: 3, Funny

      So the real question lurking behind it all is just how responsible can anyone be for creating material that will set a lunatic on a bad outburst. No, that's begging the question. Holy shit, someone just used "begging the question" correctly. Pinch me.

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    11. Re:Next up... by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful
      IANAL but

      02/19/2008 ORDER-SHOW CAUSE
      TO: JOHN BRUCE THOMPSON

      It appears to the Court that you have abused the legal system by submitting numerous frivolous and inappropriate filings in this Court.


      Therefore, it is ordered that you shall show cause on or before March 5, 2008, why this Court should not find that you have abused the legal system process and impose upon you a sanction for abusing the legal system, including, but not limited to directing the Clerk of this Court to reject for filing any future pleadings, petitions, motions, letters, documents, or other filings submitted to this Court by you unless signed by a member of The Florida Bar other than yourself.


      They are not really saying he did anything, they are just saying that it looks that way, if he has evidence that the court has not seen that would show that they are wrong, he's invited to present it. If there is no evidence then things are the way they look and he's going to have the legal equivalent of needing to hold an adults hand before they let him cross the street! I doubt there is going to be a practicing attorney that will either sign-off on Jack's filings or take his case in Florida; I think a defamation/libel suit is out of the question. I expect if he starts running his mouth about this publicly the next step would be dis-barrment or even contempt of court.
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    12. Re:Next up... by tompaulco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good luck with that Jack. By the way, that thing you're going to deconstruct is the only entity that gives you any power in the state of Florida.

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  3. Buttt, but.., by mangu · · Score: 5, Funny
    He *did* explain! In his own words:

    I shall now, through a new federal lawsuit, deconstruct The Florida Bar ... This court has threatened Thompson. He does not threaten back. He hereby informs this court that he will see it in federal court.

    So,you see, the Florida Bar means nothing to Jack Thompson. I guess not even Chuck Norris scares him...
    1. Re:Buttt, but.., by Nero+Nimbus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it's time for a Jack Thompson Facts page.

    2. Re:Buttt, but.., by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess not even Chuck Norris scares him...

      That's prima facie evidence for an insanity defense.

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    3. Re:Buttt, but.., by magus_melchior · · Score: 2, Informative

      How about this one?

      I'm of the opinion that he has serious problems in reasoning and anger management, yet we should have all the "evidence" and statements he put forward as a testimony against the sort misinformation the anti-gaming people parrot. Sure, we can ignore him on Slashdot and other online venues, but this guy has friends in Fox News, and enough people watch that to become easily deceived.

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    4. Re:Buttt, but.., by mangu · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course, given his knowledge of legal matters, it's also possible that the thinks this "Florida Bar" is a place where they serve drinks.

  4. This is great news by wamerocity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really hope the legal system totally tags this guy. If I didn't already know he was a staunch conservative Christian, I would have thought he was a scientologist, just because of how sue-happy he is.

    My favorite thing about Jack is the non-sequiter logic he always trots out. "Somebody A murdered someone B, Someone A played this violent video game. Therefore video games are resposible for someone B's death." Only Stephen Colbert comes up with greater syllogisms. (Although he knows he's at least being funny when he makes his). I especially love that he never brings up the 99.9999999% of normal people who play violent video games and DON'T kill people, but that's not sellacious and newsworthy (unless you're The Onion).

    Oh well. I can't wait for some psychological journal to critically bash the stupid article that he parrots all the time about how video games cause violence, and replace it with realistic information like people who are already really disturbed tend to GRAVITATE towards violent video games, rather than make them disturbed. A man can dream...

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    1. Re:This is great news by djmurdoch · · Score: 5, Funny

      I especially love that he never brings up the 99.9999999% of normal people who play violent video games and DON'T kill people,

      You're exaggerating. There's no way it's more than 99.9999%.

    2. Re:This is great news by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

      that's not sellacious

      I *think* you mean "salacious" (which broadly speaking means "appealing to one's baser instincts"), but I love the word "sellacious". Folks, we have the neologism of the day.

  5. With any luck, he'll learn... by Atario · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the true meaning of the violent-gamer term "PWNED".

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  6. Message for Jack Thompson by FoolsGold · · Score: 5, Funny

    This message goes out to your legal career:

    BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

    Sincerely,
    Gaming community.

    1. Re:Message for Jack Thompson by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, but that's Quake3.

      Humiliation indeed.

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  7. Not so great news by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Interesting

    GP's claim was one in a billion player is also a murderer, you claim is that it is only one in a million. Most recent US murder rate is around 59 victims per million people per year. So unless there is a strong negative correlation between games and murder (which is quite likely), you are still off by a couple of orders of magnitude.

    1. Re:Not so great news by n6kuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who cares what the order of magnitude is.
      If banning video games saves just one innocent person from being murdered, it's worth it!

      Also, I think we should ban feeding milk to newborns, for the same reason. It's well known that virtually 100% of hardened drug addict criminals started out by drinking milk as babies...

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  8. *Sigh* by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it here before and I'll say it again.

    This article's existence on slashdot is depressing. Why? Because giving the even a second of any of our days to cover this over-hyped, attention-mongering fossil is beyond the common sense and rationale we, as human beings capable of accessing the vast wells of knowledge known as the internet, should be capable of having. In the end we are all attention mongers to some extent I guess...

    Then again, I just wasted at least 20 seconds on this post.

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    1. Re:*Sigh* by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But he is a laughingstock, and more and more people are coming to realize that. He is the best spokesperson for anti-game hysteria we could possibly wish for. Give the man a camera and a mic, and he'll hang himself over and over again.

  9. Ninja/Pirate Alliance by English+Intellect · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's probably more likely than us getting rid of this perennial problem. Long may the religious zealots burn.

  10. Oh, it gets even better... by Hannah+E.+Davis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Game Politics unearthed a filing that may well be what got him in trouble in the first place:

    http://gamepolitics.com/2008/02/22/did-this-document-bring-florida-supreme-courts-wrath-down-upon-jack-thompson/

    From the article:

    "The court described one of Thompson's recent filings in detail. [Thompson] dubbed it a "children's picture book for adults," interspersing images with text in his motion due to "the court's inability to comprehend" his arguments.

    Images included "swastikas, kangaroos in court, a reproduced dollar bill, cartoon squirrels, Paul Simon, Paul Newman, Ray Charles, a handprint with the word 'slap' written under it, Bar Governor Benedict P. Kuehne, a baby, Ed Bradley, Jack Nicholson, Justice Clarence Thomas, Julius Caesar, monkeys, a house of cards," the order said."

    1. Re:Oh, it gets even better... by mrxak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's... rather insane. No wonder they're pissed off at him now.

    2. Re:Oh, it gets even better... by MWoody · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, is he sending threads from /b/ to judges now?

  11. Had the time of my life? by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 5, Funny
    This court has threatened Thompson. He does not threaten back.

    Nobody puts Jack Thompson in a corner.

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  12. What's sad... by uxbn_kuribo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that once he's disbarred, he'll blame the gaming community, and still go on Fox News being the world's biggest douche, and have plenty of ignorant people around to believe that the gaming community did this to him. Just because he won't be a lawyer anymore won't stop him from being a massacre chaser and ranting like a madman on TV.

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  13. Re:The internet is not just for pr0n by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 2, Informative

    JT at least worths a good laugh.

    He's a lousy joke at best.
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  14. Just write a game he'll like... by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get him hooked on a videogame himself and he'll soon change his tune. You just need to find somethinmg he'll relate to...

    How about:

    Grand Theft Auto VIII: Ambulance Pursuit!

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  15. What a tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's abused the legal system like a 14-year-old boy upon first discovering his own peenor: often and badly.

    1. Re:What a tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fuck you, I was awesome when I was 14.

  16. Why stop at Jack? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Therefore, it is ordered that you shall show cause on or before March 5, 2008, why this Court should not find that you have abused the legal system process and impose upon you a sanction for abusing the legal system

    He's not the only one deserving of this treatment, he's not the only one abusing the legal process. The music and movie industries need to be taken down a notch too ... of course, they aren't simply off the deep end like Mr. Thompson, they're just bloodsucking leeches.

    Huh ... well, maybe there's not so much difference after all.

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  17. Link to "picture book" by Baldrake · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "picture book" is here. (Warning, this is a word document.)

    His basic premise in creating the book was to make his arguments crystal clear, through illustration. In fact, his submission is a wandering and apparently pointless scree. It's reminiscent of the kind of rants people write when their WoW account is suspended.

    I can well understand the court's reaction. It isn't because of the fact of using a picture-book style; it's the lack of any coherent argument in said picture book.

    1. Re:Link to "picture book" by sickspeed6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He...Is...Bat shit insane.... I attempted to read that "picture book." I got halfway through and realized that I felt like I was climbing uphill wearing roller skates with hurricane force winds blowing me down. Thompsons stupidity and apparent insanity has never been so clear as in the above "picture book." Beyond that...who does that to a judge or court or lawyer. Insult their intelligence, are you crazy...oh wait, yes...

    2. Re:Link to "picture book" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmm. Most of those images are copyrighted and I don't see how he could claim fair use, since the use is unrelated to his legal claims. It would be amusing to see him sued, but he'd probably just file for bankruptcy. He's a lawyer after all.

  18. He should be able to respond. by dreemernj · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean, as long as there aren't any more school shootings he can use to pump up his books and to send out tons of press releases and offers for paid appearances, he should be able to whip up an answer and send it over. But if a deranged youth kills someone, he might not making it. He's got to make a living after all. Profiteering ain't easy.

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  19. Re:sellacious by Migraineman · · Score: 4, Funny


    sellacious : adj - appealing to one's baser need for cash
    Example: "Mr. Thompson's sellacious behavior may indicate that he is a money-grubbing attention whore."

    How's that? I do believe this is my new favorite word.

  20. So when will... by TX297 · · Score: 2, Funny

    they pull the same thing on the RIAA for abusing the legal system?

  21. wrong by ClioCJS · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Canada has a higher per-capita gun ownership rate than america, with WAYYYY less murder.

    And Britain? They have something like 5% of the guns, something ridiculously low -- but still around 60% of the murder rate.

    Correlation is not causation. More guns is not more death.

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    1. Re:wrong by hkmarks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Er, no. You might want to look at your sources next time you suggest other people do. Overall, the murder rate has been pretty stable.

      The number of murders (not the rate) increased about 3% from 2002 to 2006, peaking at 663 before dropping again. The population also increased by about 3.4%. The rate per 100,000 has remained around 1.8, but jumped for a while to about 2.1. I reamember hearing some expert on CBC call 2005's murder rate a statistical anomaly.
      http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal01.htm

      The majority of violent crimes, almost 2/3, are perpetrated against family members; most are minor:
      http://www.statcan.ca/english/research/85-570-XIE/2006001/figures/figure34.htm

      "Canada's overall national crime rate, based on incidents reported to police, hit its lowest point in over 25 years in 2006, driven by a decline in non-violent crime."
      "The total violent crime rate remained virtually unchanged from 2005, mainly due to the stability in the rate of minor assaults, which account for 6 in 10 violent crimes.
      The national homicide rate fell 10%, halting two years of increases. However, increases were reported in many serious violent crimes such as attempted murder, aggravated assault, assault with a weapon, robbery and kidnapping/forcible confinement."
      "Police reported 605 homicides in 2006, 58 fewer than in 2005. This resulted in a rate of 1.85 homicides per 100,000 population, 10% lower than in 2005. The national homicide rate has generally been declining since the mid-1970s, when it was around 3.0."
      "Robberies involving a firearm increased 4% in 2006, although they are still well below their peak in 1991."
      http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/070718/d070718b.htm

      Total violent crime declined about 1% between 2002 and 2006.
      http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal14a.htm

      The gun registry was a mismanaged waste of money, but it didn't affect the murder rate in any meaningful way.

  22. I like Jack Thompson by Phat_Tony · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or at least I think it's in our favor that he exists. The gaming community is lucky to have as its biggest opponent a raving lunatic. If there were someone calm, reasonable, and sensible, someone who could get along with others, build coalitions, and speak convincingly, the gaming industry would be in much more danger of facing stifling, free-speech curbing legislation. Jack Thompson is the gamer's standard refrain for pointing out that the anti-video-game movement is a crusade lead by nuts. Perhaps more importantly, Lieberman and any other "think of the children" politicians with an anti-free-speech history who might have gotten together to regulate video game content probably don't bother trying to build coalitions to get anything done because of the inevitable presence of Jack Thompson on any such committee.

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  23. A little perspective... by aramis34143 · · Score: 3, Funny

    11th Century Man says: "We must end the horrors of sword culture. Violence would cease if only we could prevent pointless veneration of the sword." 11,000 B.C. Man says: "Rock culture bad. Too many rock kill." Tipper Gore says: "I agree with 11,000 B.C. Man. Rock is kiling us. Rap too."

  24. Wrong indeed by K.os023 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are wrong: Canada does NOT have more guns per capita than the US. If you have any statistics to back up what you're saying I'd be interested in seeing them.

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    1. Re:Wrong indeed by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Guns per capita is a potentially misleading statistic.

      So long as ownership is "clumpier" in the US, there can be a higher percentage of gun OWNERS in Canada, with a lower per CAPITA ownership.

      Given the number of Americans I know on various forums with 30+ firearms (not joking in the slightest here), it's something that can't be disregarded.

    2. Re:Wrong indeed by sodul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well he was talking about gun 'ownership', if you look at the wikipedia numbers there are 90 guns for 100 residents, so obviously the US gun owners have more guns on average than a gun owner anywhere else in the world. I live in CA myself and I know very few people that actually have a gun, still too many to my own taste, but I don't deny their right to own one. So it's still plausible that more people in Canada *own* guns than in the US, the owners in Canada just don't stockpile them under the kids bed like you see on Cops (the tv show) once in a while.

      If you look at the numbers you gave us US has 3.3 times more gun per inhabitant than Canada yet the US has 7.9 more murders by firearms. From this I would say that the US gun owners are at least twice as trigger happy than the Canadian gun owners.

  25. Jack Thompson probably plans to get disbarred by VorpalEdge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And once he forces the courts to do so, he'll go right to Fox News and get constant air-time claiming how there's a conspiracy against him, orchestrated by gamers, the liberal agenda, courts, and more that he won't deign to name. The net effect is far more publicity than he would get otherwise.

    Of course, this doesn't mean that he shouldn't be disbarred. What it means is that Fox should stop their pandering and stop putting him on air after each tragedy so he can blame a boogieman with no evidence whatsoever. But, sadly, they seem to be addicted to it.

    Whatever helps the ratings, I guess.

  26. Yes by ClioCJS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now how does their gun ownership rate compare? If their murder rate is 25%, but they have, say, 5% of the gun ownership -- Then that pretty much points to people finding other ways to kill people, even if their guns are taken away.

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  27. So by ClioCJS · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So I should give the benefit of the doubt to people who would break into my home, and not have a gun to protect myself? Is that what you're saying? Most burglars are nice people who wouldn't hurt anybody who discovered them?? I should rely on statistics to protect me, right?

    The National Center for Policy Analysis, a conservative think tank, reported the following statistics:[91]

    * New Jersey adopted what sponsors described as "the most stringent gun law" in the nation in 1966; two years later, the murder rate was up 46% and the reported robbery rate had nearly doubled.

    * In 1968, Hawaii imposed a series of increasingly harsh measures, and its murder rate tripled from a low of 2.4 per 100,000 in 1968 to 7.2 by 1977.

    * In 1976, Washington, D.C., enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has risen 134% while the national murder rate has dropped 2%.

    In addition:

    * Over 50% of American households own guns, despite government statistics showing the number is approximately 35%, because guns not listed on any government roll were not counted during the gathering of data. [92]

    * Evanston, Illinois, a Chicago suburb of 75,000 residents, became the largest town to ban handgun ownership in September 1982 but experienced no decline in violent crime.[citation needed]

    * Among the 15 states with the highest homicide rates, 10 have restrictive or very restrictive gun laws. [93]

    * Twenty percent of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just 6% of the population--New York, Chicago, Detroit and Washington, D.C.--and each has (or, in the case of Detroit, had until 2001) a virtual prohibition on private handguns.[citation needed]

    * UK banned private ownership of most handguns in 1997, previously held by an estimated 57,000 people--0.1% of the population. [94] Since 1998, the number of people injured by firearms in England and Wales has more than doubled, despite a massive increase in the number of police personnel.[95] In 2005-06, of 5,001 such injuries, 3,474 (69%) were defined as "slight," and a further 965 (19%) involved the "firearm" being used as a blunt instrument. Twenty-four percent of injuries were caused with air weapons, and 32% with "imitation firearms" (including BB guns and soft air weapons).[96] Since 1998, the number of fatal shootings has varied between 49 and 97, and was 50 in 2005.

    * Australia forced the surrender of nearly 650,000 personal firearms in 1997. A study published in 2001 [97] shows a 47% decrease of firearms related deaths, but also reveals an overall rise in non-firearm related violent crime.

    * Violent crime accelerated in Jamaica after handguns were banned. [98]

    Of course, most importantly is -- it doesn't matter if a million people murder a million other people with guns. Taking away MY rights based on the action of others is as unfair as a teacher sending a whole class to detention because 1 person chewed gum (been there, done that). Revolution is a basic human right, and only possible with a handgun. As they say -- freedom isn't free. Freedom comes with a price. You'd rather be in a locked cage, protected by the government... Much like an indoor cat. In the real world, bad guys have guns -- no matter what the ban. And using their actions to justify taking away MY right to protect MY life and MY family is plain wrong. Statistics don't truly matter.

    Besides, just look at automobile deaths! Maybe they should take away your license, becuase 40,000 people die in car accidents every year? After all, driving is a privilege, not a constitutional right. But somehow, I suspect you would not like that course of action. Yet to many of us, being able to protect our life is FAR more important than being able to go to work.

    (and don't get me started on the domestic violence red herring -- I'm guessing men killed their spouses at greater than or equal rates before guns were around, and the real correlation to spousal murders is probably societal awareness of the equality of women; if a man thinks a woman is less than him, he will find a way to kill her, gun or not.)

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  28. Re:Nice, but....BLAH BLAH BLAH by Crypto+Gnome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The American Revolution would never have happened if the populace was not armed to the teeth. I hate to say it, but if our government ever collapses into .... All-y'All keep repeating that until yer blue in the face, BUT YOU'SE NEVER DO IT.

    The right to armed bears was originally so that The Populace could physically overthrow an ludicrously irrelevant and generally unsuitable government. But these days they people are happy with ludicrous in their government, and happy with extremely poor decisions from "the top".

    Armed Bears in the US today is all about a bunch of blokes who have a severe lack of self-esteem and general insecurity about their manliness. and nothing else

    Yes there *are* (some, rare) genuine exceptions to the above generalization, but as I said, they're rare.
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  29. Re:That's it! I'm suing Michael Moore. by @madeus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Crime is so bad in the UK because of lack of effective government policy.

    Countries like Switzerland and to a lesser extent Canada are proof you can have fairly high levels of gun ownership, but not have US style crime levels. It's also true that the UK is apparent proof that you can have very strict gun controls and fairly low levels of gun ownership but still have serious violent crime problems.

    That doesn't mean that making guns harder to own in the US (particularly through the enforcement of proper background checks, mandatory training courses, certification for different weapon types and strict licensing laws) couldn't save hundreds - maybe even thousands - of lives every year.

    Perhaps, like driving lessons, (opt-in) gun control classes should form part of the high school curriculum. I'm not suggesting giving kids access to guns, even in a training facility (in the same way that sex education classes don't involve practicing sex), but providing some grounding so that from an early age kids likely to own or be around guns have proper understanding of appropriate behavior around weapons and so that proper gun control - and the consequences of misuse - can be ingrained.