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DivX Pulls Plug on Stage6

Xelios writes "DivX announced today that it will be shutting down Stage6, its high-quality video sharing site. 'So why are we shutting the service down? Well, the short answer is that the continued operation of Stage6 is a very expensive enterprise that requires an enormous amount of attention and resources that we are not in a position to continue to provide. There are a lot of other details involved, but at the end of the day its really as simple as that.' The news comes after the former CEO of DivX stepped down last year to head Stage6, which was to become a separate company, and the still ongoing legal battle with UMG."

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  1. I think I speak for everyone... by pwnies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...when I say that we'll miss you stage6. You provided us with an alternative to the much lower quality videos on youtube and many other like sites. Great job divx.

    1. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      XviD shits on DivX. Project Mayo forever.

      Scumbags.

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    2. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by ChaosWeevil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I rather disagree. Stage6 was indeed high quality, which was nice, but the plugin required for it was hideous. It caused my browser to crash many, many times, and half the time it didn't work, providing the message "Could not download video file." I'm a rather glad to see it go, if only because I won't have to deal the plugin anymore.

    3. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by springbox · · Score: 4, Informative

      All you had to do was copy the URL to the .divx file from the page, download the file, change the extension to .avi and enjoy.

    4. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by orkysoft · · Score: 2, Informative

      Huh? I never heard of the site before, but I tested it today, and the videos load just fine with mplayer-plugin, which is a rather general plugin for playing all kinds of media files. No need for specialized plugins.

      The video quality is quite nice, actually. A lot better than Youtube's.

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    5. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by haruchai · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, renaming the extension wasn't necessary if you used VLC
        as your media player

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    6. Re:I think I speak for everyone... by smurfsurf · · Score: 2, Informative

      And there is a download button built-in on every page.

  2. Translation: by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    very expensive enterprise that requires an enormous amount of attention and resources In other words...
    The bandwidth costs are killing them and they're not making enough money from their content partners & advertising.

    The real bread & butter of Divx is licensing the codec.
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    1. Re:Translation: by CSMatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or they just couldn't compete with YouTube.

    2. Re:Translation: by pinkocommie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or they never even tried to compete? Most people didn't even know it existed, there was no marketing push only of late have I noticed the embed url's to link to the videos directly etc. Far more importantly though they didn't try to offset costs. I'm sure they could've come up with a P2P based variant wherein users could have active clients helping them distribute the load with them providing heavy bandwidth sources reducing their costs pretty dramatically.

  3. DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by szyzyg · · Score: 3, Informative

    For a long time stage6 had better video than most other sites because they were one of the few not using flash as a video player. But now h264 video support is part of flash I see a load of sites doing high quality video that leaves stage6 looking kinda ho hum in comparison.

    1. Re:DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by szyzyg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well it might be bad form to blow my own horn, but you did ask - imeem.com is doing h264 video compare the indiana jones trailer on imeem versus the same video on youtube
      (be sure to hit the full screen button for best effect, and make sure your flash player is a recent one).

      imeem is better known as a place to upload and share mp3s, but the video support is pretty good too.

    2. Re:DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by ralphthemagician · · Score: 2, Informative

      No. There aren't currently any major sites using H.264 encoded video to stream to a Flash front-end. Flash Media Server still hasn't been updated to support H.264 yet. What people forget is that there are a few codecs that Flash actually supports. YouTube uses the ancient VP3, as to many others, to avoid licensing costs since the codec is now open source. VP6 has existed for a while, and is actually a fantastic codec for the bit rates it's used at. It's nearly as good as H.264 in practice. Stage6 had better quality video than YouTube, but it did not have better quality video than what Flash was actually capable of playing. Try it yourself if you have Flash 8 or CS3. Convert a video to VP6 and you can see that it's quite impressive. At reasonable bit rates for streaming media (say 1500Kbps), it's nearly as good as H.264 at the same bitrate, only a little "softer."

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    3. Re:DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by szyzyg · · Score: 2, Informative

      "No. There aren't currently any major sites using H.264 encoded video to stream to a Flash front-end."

      Sorry, completely wrong, because imeem.com has been doing this for a while now, I know because I was part of the team implementing this, feature. I pointed out the new Indiana Jones Trailer on imeem which is delivered at a resolution of 768x360 and 800kbit/sec, and when it's played full screen it looks pretty darn nice.

    4. Re:DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by FornaxChemica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shouldn't possible alternatives be compared with Stage6 rather than with YouTube ? A lot of sites may have a better version of a video than YouTube, but where is the one that can match Stage6's standards ? Not only in terms of compression but also speed, accessibility, etc. Most of the other sites are just modeled after YouTube, even their video player is.

    5. Re:DivX lost the advantage when h264 came along by mxs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have heard this argument a few times in the past day.

      Can you please cite even one site that offers comparable quality and usability ? When I doubleclick the video, I want instant fullscreen with crisp video. I also want the option to download stuff for later use.
      None of the video sites come to mind.

      H.264 not a good video site makes. You need a little more than just a codec.

  4. Re:Alternatives by ruinevil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Use a h.264 codec to encode it, like x264. It's usually a little smaller with less artifacts.

  5. Re:What now for DivX by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's because DivX and XviD both sprang from the open source Project Mayo. They used the "assign your copyright to us when you contribute" scheme that MySQL uses. Then suddenly the project was shut down, and all the Project Mayo code suddenly became the closed source DivX project. XviD was created by the pissed off Project Mayo contributers.

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  6. Traffic by miscz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stage6 was quite popular due to availability of many TV shows but they've started to seriously fight it 2 or 3 months ago. It was THE place to get many british sitcoms. I wonder if this has anything to do with the shutdown.

  7. Operation Saving Stage6 ! by FornaxChemica · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe if everyone clicks like mad on their ads during those two days left, they'll earn millions, save the site, and everyone will live happily ever after. No ?

  8. nooo by sentientbrendan · · Score: 4, Informative

    stage6 was by far the best video site out there in terms of video quality and the ability to watch things full screen.

    It seems stupid to me that they couldn't make their business model work. They had excellent technology, but obviously like so many online ventures they didn't think very hard about how they were going to make money.

    It seems obvious to me that they could have gotten significant cash on advertising if they did speach to text translation on the videos and then did some context based ads on that text. However, they seemed to have almost no advertising on their site, and thus no way to recoup losses.

    Additionally, they could have tried a model that required users to subscribe to stage6 as basically an internet television service. However, they seemed like they weren't really willing to try *anything* to recoup expenses, and just killed the project by inaction.

    This worries me because the same problems basically face youtube, and similarly google has done pretty much nothing to make the site profitable since purchasing it. The only real change has been the removal of copyrighted material from the site, and that can hardly be called an improvement.

    Hopefully divx will license out the stage6 browser plugin and serving infrastructure to other companies so the technology won't die.

  9. Sad day.. by EvilToiletPaper · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a long time Anime watcher, I've tried loads of streaming media websites but nothing beats the quality of stage6. I used to watch episodes on youtube, crunchyroll etc. in the worst quality possible until a stage6 turned up in a random search.. Now i only go to another website if stage6 doesn't have what I want.
    I was very sad when they announced the site's going to die on thursday. I looked for 'make a donation' or some similar link to send them money .. Does anyone know if they are taking donations to stay alive? Heck, I wouldn't mind even if they started charging a monthly fee for viewers.

  10. Illegal Movie Hosting by Panascooter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The decision to shut Stage6 down may have something to do with sites like quicksilverscreen.com using it to host full movies. They might not be able to fix the hole that makes such hosting possible, and they probably don't want to deal with the liability.

  11. MOD PARENT AWESOME by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    XviD shits on DivX. Project Mayo forever.

    Scumbags.


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  12. Vista hates the plugin by rucs_hack · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know if anyone else found this, but when I installed the divx web player on my Vista machine, it killed Explorer, causing a constant cycle of 'explorer has stopped responding and will be restarted'.

    I ended up having to re-install, and lost lots of data because I couldn't even get it to copy things off the machine.