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GE Announces OLED Manufacturing Breakthrough
bughunter writes "Today GE announced the successful demonstration of the world's first roll-to-roll manufactured organic light-emitting diode (OLED) lighting devices (press release). This demonstration is a key step toward making OLEDs and other high-performance organic electronics products at dramatically lower costs than what is possible today. The green crowd is thrilled as well. Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes." Now can I get my Optimus Keyboard for less than $1,299?
I would be excited
My work here is dung.
I wish I was a stock holder again. Those dividends were nice too. I hope they blow Sony out of the water with OLED stuff.
"Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes
Ok, then don't buy them.
Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes.
In another twenty years there will likely not be a surface anywhere that isn't animated. The animated billboards and signs are already here.
As if having blinking shiney flashey crap on the internet isn't bad enough now we're subjected to it in meatspace.
mcgrew's razor: Never attribute to stupidity that which can be explained by greedy self-interest
I'll consider a breakthrough in display technology to be when you can get this on packaging and products that don't have to be self-luminating to be seen. Will I have to "turn off" all my stuff so my bedroom isn't glowing with cereal box labels, empty cheetos and Mt. Dew cans?
And why can't I clean up my room and eat better anyway?
I was just thinking about this the other day. You can already get membrane keypads fairly cheaply (after a few grand in setup fees, anyway) but until now, displays have always required more mechanical complexity. How long before they start printing screens along with keypads?
Yeah, I think most of the keypads suck (the metal dome type aren't as bad), but it still means a richer user interface and lower cost devices. And probably animated cereal boxes.
Most of the linked articles talk about "new technology for lighting" as in panel lights for rooms and such. Are these panels being manufactured for display tech too? Or is the refresh rate not fast enough yet?
In other words, it's one thing to demonstrate a prototype product, but an entirely other thing to demonstrate how you actually plan to mass produce that product, which this is!
Of course, it's yet another thing to actually produce your production equipment and drive adoption among manufacturers, but this announement is still one major step beyond most next-gen display announcements (SED, I'm looking at you...).
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
How much did the cost come down? I couldn't find a figure in the article that stated any hard facts that this is really going to materialize.
I can't reach TFA. Is the server Slashdotted already?
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large dead pixels on that strip! Looks like they still have some work cut out for them.
Organic, before the marketing hype took over it, means 'carbon based'. That is not to say that any pesticides or insecticides were not used in the production of this OLED. But the Organic in OLED means that the base of the LED is a polymer with a carbon based composite deposited on it. The purpose 4-year project appears to have been to find a significantly more efficient (roll to roll) way of printing the organic compound to the polymer. So while the creation of the tool took four years, it could mean the ability to greatly increase production and reduce costs significantly.
What makes OLED's 'green' is that they don't require back lighting like LCD displays. Which means you can generate images for a fraction of the electrical draw.
-Rick
"Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
Although the OLEDs require significantly less energy to power and are "green" in that respect, I would like to read more about the environmental impact of producing them; not just at the so called roll to roll level, but all the way from raw material to finished product. Many a "green" product has had unforeseen side effects that have made them unfavorable.
when will these fools learn? who the hell wants a device made of a material that's just gonna rot into a stinky, decomposing mess?
THAT is going to save more than a few barrels of oil. After all, even /. posters burn more power on lighting than on backlighting, monitor tans notwithstanding.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
> Personally, as the parent of a 3-year-old technophile, I'm dreading the animated cereal boxes.
I can see the counter-adverts on the ordinary boxes now "GE Free". And on the animated boxes "Cereal may contain nuts and batteries"
What I have been wanting for some time is something to brighten the sheer boredom of riding in a corporate lift. (I accept that stores and the like will batter a captive audience with ads so they are tortured into compliance by the time they arrive. Shut eyes, turn up iPod.)
The idea is to have something other than, say, a big 13 drifting past to tell you you have passed floor 13. I'd like a small 13, but some nice elevation dependent pictures. Earth and grass for the ground floor. Apples or tweety-birds for the next floor and so on. Eagles well up. And of course, space junk for senior managerial levels. Top floor a galaxy, with a warning that they are only 4% ordinary matter.
But I am bothered about the basement images. I'd rather avoid drippy caves, and anything with religious overtones. Suggestions anyone?
And, in the face of assurances similar to yours, I managed to avoid buying the crap when we went shopping. Despite ADHD. Twins.
Not that this says anything good about me as a parent -- I suspect it's more "when you got luck, shit'll do for brains."
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
i think someone found the brightness/contrast tool
...on lighting than on backlighting, monitor tans notwithstanding.
Hey, tongue-twisters are forbidden here!
To be fair, Apollo 13 was not a documentary, it was a drama based on actual events... in other words, fiction. Since it was fiction, and based on science, the film actually is science fiction.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
"Are you always this easy to troll"
Wait, wait wait, you posted AC in a vain attempt at gaining back some shred of dignity after having your intellect questioned as a result of getting crushed, and then you think YOU'RE the one trolling?
Think about how seriously you are to even bother posting.
You wouldn't be here if you didn't have some desire to get over, and you don't do that for people you like or people you don't give a fuck about. God, stupid is usually just a silly epithet, but you really must be a fucking moron.
It seems pretty silly to me that people think we are helping the environment by saving a few watts on our computer monitors. Meanwhile, billions of people are coming onto the grid and using coal power. It isn't even a drop in the ocean.
I see people putting up a few solar panels here and there, maybe generating enough energy to take a fraction out of their air conditioning bill, and I wonder if they are stupid. Even if everyone in the united states did the same thing, or even the entire world did the same thing, the carbon output would still be rising because industry requires a phenomenal amount of energy that can't be supplied or even offset significantly by these sorts of technologies.
These sorts of efforts are all about feeling good about the environment, while actually doing nothing to put a significant dent in the carbon output and reduce the damage that global warming will cause. Switching over to OLED monitors is kind of like spitting into a volcano to stop an eruption.
The truth is that most of the green technologies being put forward today are just fashion statements and a distraction from the real solutions, and it is technically impossible to solve our real problems with them. Most carbon output comes from power generation and transportation. In order to make a dent, we need to switch almost entirely over to power sources that have no carbon output, and we need to make a major push to mass transit.
Unfortunately, the issues get complicated in regards to power generation without carbon because the only existing technology that could replace all of our coal plants is nuclear power, and there isn't a lot of political will for nuclear power in the united states. Usually people put forward solar power, wind power, or biofuel as solutions, unfortunately, when you actually look at solar power and wind power, it is technically impossible to make a dent in our power output with these technologies because they only generate power a small percentage of the time, whereas power draw stays high 24/7. Biofuel production on the other hand actually generates more carbon than coal once you try to scale it up, and the government initiatives related to it are a huge fiasco.
People keep waiting around for an easy solution to our problems, and one that makes them feel good. Unfortunately, that's not how life works, all of the solutions have downsides and all of them require us to make sacrifices. Sadly, it's pretty obvious that we're going to wait until the situation is much more desperate than it already is before making significant efforts at change.
And they tell me that I slowly learned that I couldn't have everything right now and learned the valuable lesson of patience as well as an early understanding of moderation.
I'm glad they did. At such time as I may reproduce I intend to teach my offspring the same way.
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
A tradepaperback, each of the 1, 2, 3, or more hundred double-sided touch-capable OLED pages, with cpu, ram, terabyte flash, & other devs, also "printed" using similar techniques, as layers of the cover, powered by a "printed" air-battery & "printed" solar cells. Looks like a book, feels like a book, but wow the capabilities...
Stocks, as they are currently sold and traded, etc, are *not* an example of true wealth being represented by "just weights and measures". And you are down for the year. Whereas, land, gold, wheat, cattle, honey, milk, etc, are examples of true wealth and can actually be quantified by "just weights and measures" and why I am up considerably this year so far (because that is what I invest in, as fast as I get my hands on fed reserve bingo bux-any extra after paying caesars ludicrous "bills"- I convert them to true wealth assets following the "laws" you refer to. It "just works"). If you *really* follow the fiscal laws you can't go wrong. Farting around with the wall street casino congame is pure gambling, it is not investing, it certainly isn't following any biblical laws, although stock investing was closer a couple-few hundred years ago, at least it had the potential, but those times are long gone now. No, it isn't anything of the sort, any more than buying lottery tickets are investing, especially when you are always going to be up against the huge trading houses that have insider "ins" with the central banks (who are additional examples of false and criminality based wealth, no fiat currency is an example of a "just weight or measure", they are criminals in deed and in fact, they bear false witness, engage in theft by diversion and coercion, they sell "avarice" as their primary product, etc).
Good luck, think about it for awhile before rejecting what I said offhand, just go look at my examples for just the past year, see if I am right (I am, but look anyway)
With that said, I own some Unisolar solar panels, they are the best made, and having them in hand and using them to help offset or replace your Caesar's currency based electric bill is a good "investment" if you want electricity for your next 32.5 years at a rate you can lock in today.
If you invest in true wealth, you get ahead always, if you invest in paper or electronic representations or promises of wealth, it is pure gambling, with the outcome coming from basically a class of folks who are conmen more than anything else, so you might make some-as some people do obviously- or you might lose most or all it-what usually happens to most people. The conmen run a generation long con, then lather rinse and repeat it, and have been doing the same con for a long time now.
One of the things we've found out is that no HD LCD, plasma, or rear-projection DLP displays are as good as a broadcast reference CRT monitor in terms of luminance dynamic range, viewing angle, or color gamut. Only front-projection DLPs seem to be able to match good quality CRTs, but then you need all that space for the projection.
OLEDs have a real chance of matching or even beating CRTs in a true "flat panel" form factor.
And I also like the idea of using OLED rolls as wallpaper so we can have 7,680 × 4,320 pixel video on the wall (which will, of course, need 22.2 surround sound (UHDTV).
As if having blinking shiney flashey crap on the internet isn't bad enough
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dude, some new LED colors they need to develop: Chartreuse, Casablanca, Aquamarine, Heliotrope, Carissma, Periwinkle, and my personal favorite, Saratoga!!!
Oh for Christ's sake, the Klingons could never get this far, much less invent starships and other crap.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
Hmm. Say that the display tehcnology draws 30 watts less power (my laptop uses around 40 watts IIRC, so the display can't really use much more than that). During 10k hours, that makes 300 kWh, which would be pretty much match price of the new display (depends on your electricity price, but anyhow).
Switching your display creates waste. So unless the waste is less toxic or the manufacturing process more environmentally friendly, I think that the 10k hours is a bit low, after all. Of course, that also depends on how the durability compares to other technologies.
Still, so far, I think a much better way to save energy is to switch to a laptop or enable the power save features of the computer (surprisingly many people never do that).
I am SOOOO gonna hack that thing. sincerely, diggum
IIRC, when OLED technology started to come out they energy savings, i.e.- increased battery life, was touted, also the short lifespan of the display(dimming) and unequal color balance as the displays aged. I wonder if this is still the case? If so, they should be fine for cellphones but questionable as for use in items kept in use longer. It's one thing to be Green but tech-toy turnover is high and that is not Green!
-Eric
"Let me put it in terms that you would understand."
Well, all I saw were pathetic excuses for why you're a shitty parent, and I understood that before you posted.
"Oh, and this happens every single time you go to the store. Like clockwork."
Let me put this in terms YOU can understand, THAT MAKES YOU A SHITTY PARENT. It's YOUR FUCKING JOB to make sure that DOES NOT happen, not to give in and make stupid excuses when it does.
If your response to poor behavior on the part of your child is to resign yourself to the fact that it will happen ("You don't know you will, but trust me--and every other parent out there--you will cave, and buy it whatever it wants to just shut it up.") then YOU AREN'T DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB AS A PARENT.
Also "So Yeah. There is no 'Just don't buy it' crap with kids" is just fucking dumb. You don't buy it. PERIOD. It' snot hard guy, you just don't "cave in" like the weak sister you are.
The only thing your post made me understand is that you're not capable of raising children effectively and will resort to excuses in order to make it seem like your shitty parenting skills are normal.
"Someday, if you ever get out of your parents basement, you will know that."
Exactly the kind of argument I'd expect from a shitty parent, personal attacks to draw attention from the fact that you can't control your children's behavior because your will isn't up to it.
Thanks for helping me understand.
Yes! Once we get this OLED printing thing rolling, we can utilize it and hang green
(and I do like the numerous possible interpretations of the previous sentence
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