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What You Don't Know About Living in Space

Ant writes "There are spectacular moments, as well as the mundane, in space. Over the years, living in space has forced astronauts to make a few concessions to things you would not give a second thought about when staying at a hotel/motel. The article lists a few things that people may not have known about living in space." Your iPod needs to be modified to use Alkaline batteries. And also, did you know... that in space... you only get one spooooon. And some people, are spoon millionaires...

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  1. New business model by Tejin · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. Go to space 2. Take spoons and become a spoon baron 3. ???? 4. Profit

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    1. Re:New business model by jsiren · · Score: 1

      Then you might end up with ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife.

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    2. Re:New business model by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      Isn't that Ironic!

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  2. spoon millionaires? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1, Funny

    A million spoons? It seems like there'd be better things to take up into space than that...

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    1. Re:spoon millionaires? by Neon+Spiral+Injector · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, you don't need razors, because beards don't grow in space.

    2. Re:spoon millionaires? by dohzer · · Score: 1

      What's the whole spoon thing about anyway?

    3. Re:spoon millionaires? by aesiamun · · Score: 1

      what's this? This can't be true!

    4. Re:spoon millionaires? by RockModeNick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I'm not sure they use spoons at all, anything you're allowed to eat that would be spoonable is sucked out of a sealed bag so it won't break up and jam equipment. I think you only get a knife and fork. And I'm pretty sure there's no crispy food, crumbs and all.

    5. Re:spoon millionaires? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what you're saying is..

      There is no spoon.

    6. Re:spoon millionaires? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Source:
      This documentary :)

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    7. Re:spoon millionaires? by plover · · Score: 4, Informative
      RTFA, it's short.

      The astronauts are issued one set of silverware per mission. It's not just a spoon. But because they cannot do dishes, they wipe them down with a disinfectant towlette at the end of each meal.

      And since there is no money, as they approach the end of the mission whoever has squirreled away enough m&m's or tortillas has the most "bargaining power" to trade for whatever else is left.

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    8. Re:spoon millionaires? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      My wife insists on eating just about everything with a spoon. Cake, pasta (the small noodles), and just about anything else that doesnt actually require a fork.

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    9. Re:spoon millionaires? by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1, Funny

      First, what lunkhead moderators called this insightful?!?! Second, we are now faced with the astonished realization that there are moderators unfamiliar with The Matrix! The mind ... wobbles.

    10. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IOW, your wife lacks spatial hand coordination skills, and knows it? Good for her. Let her use a spoon -- it's much preferable to her spilling and feeling bad about it.

    11. Re:spoon millionaires? by dohnut · · Score: 1

      It's from the Kids in the Hall. It's a line from a Gavin skit. Watch one, then it will make sense.

      Well, maybe not.

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    12. Re:spoon millionaires? by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's true that you may not need a spoon in space, but it may sure come in handy to have one sometimes anyway. Murphy's law always exists, and there are things that may be edible in space using a spoon like chocolate pudding.

      Never mind that - the largest problem is to cut down on the amount of items that you may bring with you. I think that the best way to figure out what you REALLY need is to during several years going for extended hikes and holidays on bicycle. Note every item that you use and next year only pack those items. After a few years you know what you really can't do without.

      From what I can understand most problems arises around hygiene handling in space. It can be a smelly situation...

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    13. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      surely they must at least use sporks?

    14. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here's the youtube link..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJY4OLxHaO8

    15. Re:spoon millionaires? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      A statue of Natalie Portman, naked and petrified?

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    16. Re:spoon millionaires? by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

      My god, you quoted the article! Mods, quick! +5 Informative!

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    17. Re:spoon millionaires? by espiesp · · Score: 1, Funny

      I know what that means. It means your wife has found the most efficient way of shoveling food into her face. I know this because I do this. Also, I am fat. Like your wife.

    18. Re:spoon millionaires? by TheSeer2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      BEARDS. IN. SPACCCCE!

    19. Re:spoon millionaires? by drooling-dog · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A million spoons? It seems like there'd be better things to take up into space than that... True, but it's still a good name for a band...
    20. Re:spoon millionaires? by blind+monkey+3 · · Score: 1

      so... if there are no spoons, instead of spooning.. do they just fork?

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    21. Re:spoon millionaires? by RockModeNick · · Score: 1

      Weird, I only use spoons for soup and similar... Try eating ice cream with a fork if you remember, you'd be surprised how much nicer it is.

    22. Re:spoon millionaires? by RockModeNick · · Score: 1

      Well, yea, but _I_ wasn't going to say it ;)

    23. Re:spoon millionaires? by NeilTheStupidHead · · Score: 1

      More importantly, the spoon is the original multi-tool! I always keep a small spoon on my key ring (a spork actually, but for my purposes a spoon would work equally well) as it can be used for a variety of odd purposes in the run of a day, from fixing a loose screw to fetching the jammed paper out of the copier and many other odd purposes.

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    24. Re:spoon millionaires? by eosp · · Score: 1

      The spoon is a lie.

    25. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fail to realise that a fork also doubles as a KNIFE (just turn it on its side and push down hard). You can do this with a spoon, but a fork does it better.

    26. Re:spoon millionaires? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      How about things like yogurt, pudding or applesauce?

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    27. Re:spoon millionaires? by slig · · Score: 1

      What if you have one spoon, but it's just too big!?

    28. Re:spoon millionaires? by rcardosaurio · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Beards do grow in space, why they wouldn't... A common misconception is that astronauts are 'beyond earth' gravity', but that is not the case (the moon is pretty much attracted by earth)... A very simplistic explanation is that at a given altitude, astronauts are flying so fast that they are 'flying - just barely - over the horizon and missing earth', so they seem to be 'falling forever', in consequence they don't feel the effect of earth's gravity upon them. Anyway, astronauts do shave (using razor and foam to prevent facial hair from getting all over the place)

    29. Re:spoon millionaires? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Contains Lactose, Contains Lactose (or tastes like shit), cup.
      -nB

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    30. Re:spoon millionaires? by alxkit · · Score: 0

      no. they spork.

    31. Re:spoon millionaires? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That's a matter of taste. You seem to enjoy the sensation of melting ice, but some people (like me) love the creamy slush that slightly molten ice cream...

      What are we discussing here? RTFA, there ain't no ice cream in space!

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    32. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The spoon is a lie!

    33. Re:spoon millionaires? by Jesterthe3rd · · Score: 1

      I thought it's the centrifugal force from "flying fast around Earth", that negates the gravitational force of the earth. Or are they in free fall?

    34. Re:spoon millionaires? by spun · · Score: 1

      I use a knork myself.

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    35. Re:spoon millionaires? by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

      They're in free fall, as caused by gravitational attraction to the earth. However, because they're moving with another vector component (The 'sideways' bit) the net effect of the two forces is in more of an 'around' direction than a 'down' direction.

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    36. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I thought it's the centrifugal force from "flying fast around Earth", that negates the gravitational force of the earth. Or are they in free fall?

      You're sort of right, actually - since "centrifugal force" is nothing more than inertia, and the tether or arm is providing an inward acceleration ("centripetal force") just as gravity does to objects in orbit.

    37. Re:spoon millionaires? by RockModeNick · · Score: 1

      Drop one spoonful and microscopic splatter starts damaging equipment... all stuff like that is sucked out of bags I believe.

    38. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a way to disguise your coke spoon! How do you explain the white powder nostril coating?

    39. Re:spoon millionaires? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the cake is a lie...

  3. No one can hear you scream? by mfnickster · · Score: 2, Funny

    Personally, I enjoy people being able to hear me scream at the Holiday Inn. :)

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    1. Re:No one can hear you scream? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was in the room next to your last year, trust me, I didn't enjoy it a bit. And what were you screaming about anyways? There was no one in the room with you but it sounded like an orgy going on over there.

    2. Re:No one can hear you scream? by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was alone, so what? I was rehearsing for an audition. ;)

      I'm not concerned whether YOU enjoyed it... it's all about you you you, isn't it?

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    3. Re:No one can hear you scream? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      That night it was all about me, I couldn't get any from the girl I managed to talk into coming back to the room because she was convinced that "every one would find out with the paper thin walls". It ended up being just like every other night but it costs me an extra $125 to goto sleep because I was in a hotel room.

      Anyways, did you get the part?

    4. Re:No one can hear you scream? by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      > It ended up being just like every other night but it costs me an extra $125 to goto sleep because I was in a hotel room.

      Hey, quit complaining. Just imagine what it would have cost to take her into space for a little privacy!

      > Anyways, did you get the part?

      Ask your hotel girl. ;)

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    5. Re:No one can hear you scream? by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      I couldn't get any from the girl I managed to talk into coming back to the room

      You will find at the end of this message the list of people you're fooling :

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    6. Re:No one can hear you scream? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Ask your hotel girl. ;)
      Well, you must have. She claims she is famous now and won't take my calls.
    7. Re:No one can hear you scream? by mfnickster · · Score: 2, Funny

      > Well, you must have. She claims she is famous now and won't take my calls.

      Gov. Spitzer, is that you?? :)

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    8. Re:No one can hear you scream? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Shh! ;)

  4. From TFA... by snl2587 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Astronauts' meals are color coded on shuttle missions -- and reliable sources tell ABC News some astronauts aren't above switching the colored dots on their dehydrated meals if they have run out of say, lasagna, on day six and have way too much creamed spinach left.

    [Insert Garfield joke here.]

    1. Re:From TFA... by LrdDimwit · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sorry. Perhaps I'm missing something, but no matter how many times I read that statement, it says "Garfield" immediately followed by "joke". Is this some new variant of the Chewbacca Defense?

    2. Re:From TFA... by ptbarnett · · Score: 1

      Garfield, a comic-strip cat that stopped being funny about 25 years ago.

    3. Re:From TFA... by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oi. Garfield is still hilarious - if you remove the eponymous cat...

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    4. Re:From TFA... by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Oi. Garfield is still hilarious - if you remove the eponymous cat... Encyclopedia Dramatica's page on Garfield (especially the gallery of Garfield reworkings) has more stuff in that vein. Some of it is crap (Jon f****s his cat, yawn), some of it is good.... much of it is very strange. (Oddly, some of the strangest stuff is also the funniest- or maybe that's just my sense of humour. Especially the running gag about the "eyes".... WTF?!)

      It says a lot that this stuff is more interesting than the actual cartoon strip has been for at least 15 years.
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    5. Re:From TFA... by Slashboo · · Score: 1

      Know what's even better? The Nietzsche Family Circus.

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    6. Re:From TFA... by thewiz · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I was the astronaut who'd had lasagna for the past 6 days, I'd probably go for the creamed spinach.
      Actually, after lasagna for 6 days, I probably be the only astronaut who hadn't gone!

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    7. Re:From TFA... by Daetrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What i'd like to know is, if one of the astronauts really likes lasagna and doesn't like creamed spinach, then why doesn't NASA give them more lasagna and less creamed spinach?? These flights cost millions(?) of dollars and require the planning of thousands(?) of people. Is giving the astronauts a choice of which freeze dried tv dinner trays they take with them somehow too difficult or expensive?

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    8. Re:From TFA... by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

      I was one madly in love with a midget who in turn loved Garfield. And that's how I ended up like this today.

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    9. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.lasagnacat2.com/ is where that's from. Incredibly good parody, especially the FF3 one.

    10. Re:From TFA... by belmolis · · Score: 1

      The astronauts' mothers have an in with NASA. It's a conspiracy.

    11. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.amazon.com/Red-Star-Orbit-James-Oberg/dp/0394514297>This book, while dated, talks about some of the learnings the Russians had from early space flight. One of the things they learned was that people's appetites change in unpredictable ways in space, and they get cravings for weird stuff. So it's possible that they don't really know what they're going to want a lot of until they're there, unless they're repeat flyers.

    12. Re:From TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice the article just says "sources." Unless you're talking about military stuff, usually that term means the reporter read it on either wikipedia or some random person's blog.

      In fact, the astronauts do choose their foods (pdf) well ahead of time, but that doesn't mean they won't feel more like a gummy bears than M&M's during the actual mission, and perhaps propose a trade. Astronauts take their job seriously, and I'd rather doubt many of them would seriously consider stealing food during a mission.

      If someone gets stuck with too much creamed spinach, it's their own fault.

    13. Re:From TFA... by FernandoBR · · Score: 1

      It's sense of humor, NASA style...

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  5. No pizza? by nebaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I was a kid, I really wanted to be an astronaut. When I was told though that they had a 6 foot tall maximum height requirement, I was devastated. (I'm not sure if this is still true, I've later heard of 6'2" astronauts). Regardless, now I don't feel so bad, as they do not have pizza in space. How do they cope?

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    1. Re:No Pizza? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love your idea of a sphereical space pizza, but with no laundry services I'm not sure the "marinara on the outside" concept would fly. Pun only slightly intended. Maybe there would be a way to have all the wet ingredients inside the dough ball, if if it costs $1000 per pizza to make it work, that's still a very small line item in any space mission.

    2. Re:No pizza? by Free_Meson · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you could get pizza puffs in space if you really wanted some.

      http://www.iltaco.com/fsp/if.html

    3. Re:No Pizza? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great idea, but do you cut it geodesically or geographically?

      Dibs on the pentagonal pieces!

    4. Re:No Pizza? by synth7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Spherical pizza would be difficult to cook properly, though. Frankly I think you'd be much better off to cook a cylindrical pizza in a centerfuge, with the toppings on the inside.

      In fact... I think I need to file a patent on this method...

    5. Re:No Pizza? by ArAgost · · Score: 1

      Pizza with no crust? That's an inhuman experiment.

    6. Re:No Pizza? by delibes · · Score: 1

      Sweet. Call it the 'Dyson Pizza' and trademark it before the franchises do! Can't believe they can't do ice cream. Surely space is cold enough in the shadow of the space station (I just watched Sunshine) to make it from the ingredients?

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    7. Re:No pizza? by eebra82 · · Score: 1

      Regardless, now I don't feel so bad, as they do not have pizza in space. How do they cope? I know you are joking, but you should read the word pizza from a more symbolical point of view. The point is that if you are on a long mission in space and deprived from eating whatever you want (such as pizza), you will end up dealing with issues you had no idea you could be having. I don't like eating pizza and I rarely eat any, but if I was forbidden to eat it, it would definitely make me want one more.
    8. Re:No Pizza? by BotnetZombie · · Score: 1

      Leave my munchies alone! Must find something to nibble on +++ carrier lost +++

    9. Re:No pizza? by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Exactly how tall were you as a kid?

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    10. Re:No Pizza? by bitingduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's an inside out calzone.

    11. Re:No pizza? by ase · · Score: 1

      I can't see how a calzone wouldn't fit the bill. It's just an inside-out pizza.

      http://seriouslygood.kdweeks.com/2005/11/calzone.html

    12. Re:No pizza? by mrbill1234 · · Score: 1

      Shuttle, yes, Soyuz, no. I believe there is a height limit if you way to pay for your ride (though that may have changed recently).

    13. Re:No Pizza? by boris111 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be a stromboli then? Mmmmm space stromboli.

    14. Re:No pizza? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Fighter pilots have to be under six foot tall to fit in the fighter 'planes.

      Many astronauts are/were fighter pilots ... so it's kinda half true.

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    15. Re:No Pizza? by BryanL · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the entire inside of the sphere be crust? It would be like an inverted loaf of bread.

    16. Re:No pizza? by carambola5 · · Score: 1
      Behold, your answer:

      Standing height between 62 and 75 inches


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    17. Re:No Pizza? by thelastquestion · · Score: 1

      plus, close it off at both ends and you have a convienient way of eating a pizza... hmm, where have I heard of that before? oh yeah, pizza rolls!

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    18. Re:No pizza? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      Regardless, now I don't feel so bad, as they do not have pizza in space. How do they cope?

      Well, since no one can hear them screaming, it all works out.

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    19. Re:No Pizza? by eclectic4 · · Score: 1

      Sweet. And I'll invent a pizza cooking centrifuge, we'll both be rich!

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    20. Re:No Pizza? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That's an inside out calzone.

      Nah, that'd be an 'enozlac.' :)

      I think this is actually a worthwhile problem to solve because a combo pizza, though high in fat, is one of the few foods available that contains every essential nutrient. Fact!

    21. Re:No pizza? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Behold, your answer:

      Standing height between 62 and 75 inches


      Well shit. I'm 76 inches.

    22. Re:No Pizza? by jsiren · · Score: 1

      Make a spherical calzone and I'll be interested.

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    23. Re:No Pizza? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And make it spin stabilized. I mean, NASA has experience with that!

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    24. Re:No Pizza? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      Surely space is cold enough in the shadow of the space station (I just watched Sunshine) to make it from the ingredients?

      Space isn't actually cold. Space is not there, as far as temperature (or really, anything else) is concerned. If you put the ingredients of ice cream in the shadow of the space station, all that means is the space station, rather than the sun, is the heat source. The question is, how hot is the surface of the space station? It's got all those people and generators inside, not to mention the heat from the sun on the other side being shunted around by air conditioning.

      So, the surface of the space station is probably above freezing. The space station will then be radiating heat. Some of that heat will be caught by the ice cream ingredients. The ingredients themselves will also be "evaporating" heat, of course, so the question is, will the ingredients evaporate more heat that they catch from the space station? If so, they will cool off, if not, they will warm up.

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    25. Re:No Pizza? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      So, the surface of the space station is probably above freezing. The space station will then be radiating heat. Some of that heat will be caught by the ice cream ingredients. The ingredients themselves will also be "evaporating" heat, of course, so the question is, will the ingredients evaporate more heat that they catch from the space station? If so, they will cool off, if not, they will warm up.

      Reflective foil "heat shield" between the space shuttle (and the station, for that matter) and the "cool box". Not exactly rocket science. What would be rocket science would be providing the "cool box" with an orientation and position control system that would hook into the space station and shuttle's systems, to avoid anything bumping into anything else. That would be interestingly complex.
      But since your "cool box" is pretty much going to require to be "put outside" by someone on a space walk, why not just put the task "put the cool box outside, attached to the BACK of the space station's solar panels" onto the task list for the first space walk, with assorted "bring in mint-choc-chip tonight" tasks on the end of succeeding space walks.
      Actually, given what the article says about people swapping labels on the rest of the food, I think it may be best to just label them all "ice cream, unspecified flavour".
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    26. Re:No pizza? by skeeto · · Score: 1

      Regardless, now I don't feel so bad, as they do not have pizza in space. How do they cope?

      Pizza Hut won't even deliver to my apartment, let alone low Earth orbit.

    27. Re:No pizza? by j-beda · · Score: 1

      In the mid 1980s I was informed that the Canadian Space Agency (if it was called that back then) had a 6'2" hight limit due to constraints of the space suits - since the Canadians were just hitching rides on the US shuttle, I imagine the restrictions were being applied at the US end of things. Since the number of applicants is significantly larger than the number of spots available, I doubt there has been much pressure to relax requirements since then.

    28. Re:No pizza? by CFTM · · Score: 1

      You are wrong on this one; you actually have to be under about 6'5''. How do I know this? A close friend of mine flies F-15's for the US Air Force and he's about 6'5''. He also has dreams of being an astronaut, and he is not one to miss little details like "You're too tall".

      Hence he actually became a fighter pilot after watching Top Gun as opposed to the rest of us who sat on our asses :)

    29. Re:No Pizza? by aquila.solo · · Score: 1

      A spherical pizza... with the toppings on the inside? I think you may be on to something there, Sherlock!

  6. No Pizza? by szyzyg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Funnily enough a friend and I were recently discussing the interesting geometric possibilities which would be possible when cooking in zero g, one of the recipies we came up with was the sperical pizza, where the dough gets inflated into a sphere (you need the air because the pizza dough would want to shrink) and the topping get layered around the outside, all of course being stick to the dough using the sticky marinara sauce.
    This could then be cooked in an oven with the 'inflation pipe' blowing hot air into the middle to cook the dough, and also acting to keep the 'space pizza' in the middle of the oven.

    The result, pizza with no crusts!

  7. I weep for national news services by gardyloo · · Score: 0, Troll

    if that's the kind of crap (even edited incorrectly) they're putting out.

    1. Re:I weep for national news services by supremebob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of the article isn't accurate, either. For example, they've had freeze dried "astronaut ice cream" for decades! Almost every science museum that I've ever been to sells this stuff. I've heard that they've also tried "space pizza" prototypes as well.

      I also find it hard to believe that the standard battery on an iPod is going to suddenly going to turn into an explosive device if they take it into space. That sounds like more of a bureaucratic oversight than anything else.

    2. Re:I weep for national news services by teh+kurisu · · Score: 1

      It's true that in general, when an iPod goes into freefall, it stops working very quickly. Maybe some idiot has just taken that rule of thumb, true on Earth, and applied it to space?

    3. Re:I weep for national news services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lithium metal is prohibited, if the batteries are mistreated lithium metal can form, hence it is banned.

      I am just wondering, why not use nickel metal hydride chemistry, the laptops on the ISS use it, it would save the annoyance of disposable alkalines.

    4. Re:I weep for national news services by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I also find it hard to believe that the standard battery on an iPod is going to suddenly going to turn into an explosive device if they take it into space. That sounds like more of a bureaucratic oversight than anything else.

      They've caught fire here on Earth. I expect the effect of such a fire in space would range anywhere from serious to catastrophic.

    5. Re:I weep for national news services by v1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was going to post asking about the ice cream before. I've heard of freeze dried ice cream on several occasions, there are even places you can buy it here on earth. I have no idea how the process works, but it makes ice cream that does not need to be frozen.

      As for the iPods, I'm sure that's a technicality. They are a bit paranoid about safety up there since you can't just dial 911 in an emergency and get help on the way in 9 minutes. They probably remove the batteries and then attach them to the external packs you can buy around here, that take four AA batteries.

      It's also very likely they have an alternate adapter to jack into the ISS's grid to power it, a bit like a cigarette lighter jack but something smaller I'm sure. The batteries are probably only needed when they are inconveniently away from an outlet, or say out on a space walk.

      I bet they have even more stringent requirements though for what you can take on your person when on a space walk. It would not surprise me if ipods are barred. And for some of those 8 and 11 hour marathon walks we hear about from time to time, that's gotta be a bummer.

      I'm surprised this article gave so few details though - I've heard offhand of numerous other issues I was expecting to read about in this article. It had all of what, five interesting factoids? Lets hear about

      - toilets
      - showers
      - drinking liquids
      - anything to reduce weight on liftoff, like hair cutting
      - I wonder if there's an "in case of emergency" bean-o pack on board? heh... y'know, one recirculating air system and all...
      - the sorrid details of a long space walk. how do you drink? anything for food in 8-11 hr walks? yes, you get to wear a diaper and WILL be using it, etc
      - stories of what happens when an astronaut gets sick - flu etc. I recall someone on Appolo getting appendicitis in mission.
      - do astronauts sign an agreement not to have sex while up there? or how was that addressed? you know they had something to say about it.
      - personal limitations? we saw max height mentioned, but is there a minimum? how about weight? (of course!) are implants ok? glasses barred am guessing? are contacts ok? medical history? I assume the same rules of being a pilot apply, plus more, as far as medical are concerned. Minimum strength requirements?
      - what is their contingency plan for if an astronaut dies while up there? (aneurism, accident, whatever) Again you KNOW they have an action plan for this because they HAVE TO. Do they keep body bag(s) on board or just gonna wrap the body in a lot of duct tape?
      - cross training? I have to assume all astronauts have at least basic knowledge of 100% of the critical systems?

      That article is soooo lacking.

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    6. Re:I weep for national news services by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I also find it hard to believe that the standard battery on an iPod is going to suddenly going to turn into an explosive device if they take it into space. That sounds like more of a bureaucratic oversight than anything else. FTFA: "Though iPods can fly on the space shuttle, when the shuttle docks to the space station, iPods can't cross over the hatch because they haven't been certified to fly on the space station yet."

      It's not a "bureaucratic oversight".
      NASA hasn't certified (those) lithium batteries for space.
      And NASA hasn't certified iPods for use on the space station.
      If it isn't tested, it doesn't fly.

      It may seem like bureaucratic red tape, but that kind of meticulousness is what keeps the space program so safe.
      On the upside, at least astronauts get to have iPods with replaceable batteries.
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    7. Re:I weep for national news services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why not use nickel metal hydride chemistry

      Jobs wouldn't hear any of it. No, he doesn't oversee these space missions. He's the one floating outside the spacecraft, with hands large enough to crush the ship if he so desired.

      But he will think of something.

    8. Re:I weep for national news services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lithium batteries, especially the Li-Poly type used in an iPod are extremely unstable. They spontaneously burn up all the time. Li-Poly is especially prone to catching fire if you let it discharge too much (ask any R/C hobbyist).

    9. Re:I weep for national news services by TimHunter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      do astronauts sign an agreement not to have sex while up there? or how was that addressed? I'm sure it won't surprise you to find out that you're not the first one to ask this question. Unca Cecil gave us the straight dope about it 11 years ago: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_214.html
    10. Re:I weep for national news services by kaizokuace · · Score: 1

      for being astronauts I am surprised that all they eat is junk food! I throw pizza in the junk food category. Especially when formulated by scientists!

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    11. Re:I weep for national news services by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      I've heard of freeze dried ice cream on several occasions, there are even places you can buy it here on earth. I have no idea how the process works, but it makes ice cream that does not need to be frozen.

      They sell it at the Smithsonian National Air & Space museum. I've eaten it. Three flavors, Vanilla Strawberry and Chocolate, all in one cosmopolitan package. It doesn't taste very good and it doesn't 'feel' like regular ice cream. If you want to try some, go here: http://www.thespaceshop.com/neopicecream.html

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    12. Re:I weep for national news services by Provocateur · · Score: 5, Funny

      More importantly, is there a severe penalty if you brought along a fake face-hugger from "Alien"?

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    13. Re:I weep for national news services by holywarrior21c · · Score: 1

      Thanks for helping me to recover my dream. Imagine a trip to mars alone. But i would say "I am not alone. There are 3 of us. Ben & Jerry & I" Come on people! We just saw 'kimchi in space' article a decade ago. what else is impossible?

    14. Re:I weep for national news services by srmalloy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've heard that they've also tried "space pizza" prototypes as well.

      Reading the article, it seemed obvious to me what the solution is likely to be. Cook them, let them cool to room temperature, cut into slices, package them airtight, and then use existing technology for food irradiation to render them shelf-stable at room temperature. Packaging them as separate slices would likely make them easier to handle, albeit at the expense of extra packaging material (although I think that there would be an interesting publicity shot in a group of astronauts around a pizza floating in the middle of the cabin). There might be some issues with arranging how they sit in the launch vehicle to ensure that they're not placed sideways to acceleration -- 3G across the surface of the pizza would rip the toppings right off.

    15. Re:I weep for national news services by Hatta · · Score: 1

      For example, they've had freeze dried "astronaut ice cream" for decades!

      That styrofoam flavored crap doesn't count as ice cream.

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    16. Re:I weep for national news services by MttJocy · · Score: 1

      I think that is exactly the reason most likely, lithium type batteries are restricted on aircraft due to the risk of them overloading and catching fire as well and planes are in basically the same situation as in if they burst into flames in flight basically every occupant is dead there is no way to evacuate an airliner plane in flight anymore than you can evacuate a space station (unless they have re-entry pods of some kind?) but even if there was some way to get the people out the multi million dollar piece of hardware is going to be destroyed especially when the fire gets near those big oxygen cylinders.

    17. Re:I weep for national news services by obscured_dude · · Score: 1

      Ummm i thought this was common knowledge... Highly oxygen rich environment + a highly volatile element such as lithium = big big big boom.... imagine a fire like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odxR1lkfiEI that will burn even hotter and more violently because of the pure oxygen environment, And what about all those noxious fumes? I'm pretty sure a CO2 scrubber wont remove nasty stuff like that

    18. Re:I weep for national news services by Hell+O'World · · Score: 1

      you can't just dial 911 in an emergency and get help on the way in 9 minutes. 911 is a joke. In my space station.
    19. Re:I weep for national news services by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1
      (resisting urge to start post with "why was this modded up?")

      I was going to post asking about the ice cream before. I've heard of freeze dried ice cream on several occasions, there are even places you can buy it here on earth. I have no idea how the process works, but it makes ice cream that does not need to be frozen.

      The Wikipedia article seems fairly explanatory: real ice cream has gone to space; freeze-dried ice cream was for longer-duration missions to reduce weight.

      As for the iPods, ... They probably remove the batteries and then attach them to the external packs you can buy around here, that take four AA batteries.

      It's also very likely they have an alternate adapter to jack into the ISS's grid to power it, a bit like a cigarette lighter jack but something smaller I'm sure. The batteries are probably only needed when they are inconveniently away from an outlet, or say out on a space walk.

      RTFA: iPods are not cleared to be used on the ISS, only on the Shuttle. And they go through a heck of a lot of AA batteries. You realize the whole point of an iPod is that you don't have to plug it in, right?

      I bet they have even more stringent requirements though for what you can take on your person when on a space walk. It would not surprise me if ipods are barred. And for some of those 8 and 11 hour marathon walks we hear about from time to time, that's gotta be a bummer.

      If you've ever watched an EVA, there is no opportunity for the spacewalkers to listen to music, as they are constantly in communication with ground control. They also have to concentrate on, you know, making sure they're always tethered and not going to float away, that they're clear of hazardous objects, etc.

      I'm surprised this article gave so few details though - I've heard offhand of numerous other issues I was expecting to read about in this article. It had all of what, five interesting factoids? Lets hear about

      - toilets
      - showers
      - drinking liquids
      - anything to reduce weight on liftoff, like hair cutting

      Sunita Williams went up a year or so ago and stayed on the ISS. She had long hair going up, and cut much of it off while in orbit because it was floating around like a puff ball. Considering she probably weighed less than most of the male astronauts, I doubt hair really matters.

      - I wonder if there's an "in case of emergency" bean-o pack on board? heh... y'know, one recirculating air system and all...

      First, you take bean-o at the start of the meal, not after you start passing gas. Second, I'm sure meals are highly regulated to ensure that they don't cause gas (for example, the thing about carbonated beverages that someone mentioned in another comment). Third, *all* smells are regulated. Every piece of material that goes up in space is rigorously tested to make sure it has no smell. I think there was an issue a few years back where a piece of velcro was allowed to go up into space, and it was causing troubles because the plastic in it was off-gassing a chemical odour that caused discomfort.

      - the sorrid details of a long space walk. how do you drink? anything for food in 8-11 hr walks? yes, you get to wear a diaper and WILL be using it, etc
      - stories of what happens when an astronaut gets sick - flu etc. I recall someone on Appolo getting appendicitis in mission.
      - do astronauts sign an agreement not to have sex while up there? or how was that addressed? you know they had something to say about it.

      I expect that they don't talk about this stuff in order to respect the astronauts' privacy. Things like illness are likely dealt with on a case-by-case basis. In February, the first spacewalk was delayed because one of the would-be spacewalkers was feeling ill. NASA and the astronaut refused to divulge details, citing privacy reasons.

      - personal limitations? we saw

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    20. Re:I weep for national news services by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      Face-huggers are FUN.

      I used one as a prank someone who's an arachnophobic AND completely freaked out whenever watching the Alien series.

      Made it drop onto his head while he was sleeping.

      Trust me - in a dorm EVERYONE can hear you scream.

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    21. Re:I weep for national news services by Grayswan · · Score: 1

      Cold pizza is only good with warm beer.

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    22. Re:I weep for national news services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about risk management. The chance might seem extremely remote, but when the stakes are so high even tiny risks should be mitigated if possible.

      Let me give an example - I've pulled these numbers straight out of my ass, but I'm just making a point.

      What's the "cost" of a disaster in space? Well, for NASA, it's huge. Every mission costs tens or hundreds of millions of dollars. Annual funding is in the billions. A disaster would have immense consequences for them, financially and otherwise. I'm going to say that the total cost of a disaster in space, adding everything conceivable up, could be 10 billion dollars. That sounds reasonable to me, even though I just made it up.

      What's the chance of a lithium battery catching fire? It's extremely rare. Hundreds of millions of these batteries are sold every year, and the reports of fires are 10, max. Let's say a one in ten million chance.

      So, do a simple division. The "risk cost" of taking a lithium battery in space is 10 billiion divided by 10 million = $1000. Therefore, if they can negate the risk in the iPod for under $1000, they should. How much does it cost to modify the iPod to take a kind of battery they believe is 100% safe? $100 each or something? If they can spend $100 to negate $1000 worth of risk, they definitely should.

      I've made all these numbers up, but you can see how they're thinking. The stakes are huge, so they try to reduce risk any way they can - even in tiny ways like iPod batteries. You might think it's needlessly anal - it sounds ridiculous to me, too. But that's how they think, and when the stakes are so mindblowingly high, I can't really argue with it.

    23. Re:I weep for national news services by v1 · · Score: 1

      You realize the whole point of an iPod is that you don't have to plug it in, right?

      Actually, no, that's not the whole point of an ipod. It's certainly one of the bigger points though, agreed. The other major benefit of an ipod is portability of music. I can remember carrying around a small suitcase of cassette tapes with my battery-powered (4xC) cassette recorder. People still are aware of CD wallets, only because they want to consolidate their collection at home, not because they intend to lug around 500 CDs with them. Finding power on the go, be it a place to plug in the iPod for power, someone else's USB connector to jack into, or a fresh set of AA's, is a lot less of a hassle than hauling around all that media.

      If you've ever watched an EVA, there is no opportunity for the spacewalkers to listen to music, as they are constantly in communication with ground control. They also have to concentrate on, you know, making sure they're always tethered and not going to float away, that they're clear of hazardous objects, etc.

      Listen to some more of them. When they run into a snag, it's not uncommon for them to sit there waiting for ground control for 10-15 minutes to research or test something. They take it very slow and relaxed to avoid mistakes. Many things you only get one shot to try because you have to get it right the first time. You don't think they're completely occupied the entire time of a 7 hr space walk?

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    24. Re:I weep for national news services by Gruturo · · Score: 1

      I also find it hard to believe that the standard battery on an iPod is going to suddenly going to turn into an explosive device if they take it into space. That sounds like more of a bureaucratic oversight than anything else.

      Given that ipod batteries (admittedly rarely) explode down here on earth as well, I guess they just don't want the chance of it happening in space

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    25. Re:I weep for national news services by Nosklo · · Score: 1

      FTFA: "Though iPods can fly on the space shuttle, when the shuttle docks to the space station, iPods can't cross over the hatch because they haven't been certified to fly on the space station yet." The real reason is that they can't allow unlicensed copyrighted work to go to the space station. That would create a Space Pirate Bay, that would cost millions to RIAA!
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  8. Space, by Daimanta · · Score: 1, Redundant

    It's really really really really really really big.

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    1. Re:Space, by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      Space is big
      Space is dark
      It's hard to find
      A place to park
      Burma Shave
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  9. No laundry by GersonK · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Their T-shirts, socks and underwear have a special silver thread lining that absorbs odor and keeps items wearable longer." "Now this is made from a space-age fabric specially designed for Elvis. Sweat actually cleans this suit!"

    1. Re:No laundry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Elvis? Psst. Chuck Norris needs no special underwear: He sweats fabric softener.

    2. Re:No laundry by k4_pacific · · Score: 3, Funny

      In space, I guess every fart cloud has a silver lining.

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    3. Re:No laundry by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Well, why even wear clothes in space? Why not just go naked? I mean, it's not like the miniskirt-dresses that Yeoman Barrows or the barely-there outfit of Slave Drusilla wore really covered all that much to start with...

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    4. Re:No laundry by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Duh, did you ever think about the PR guys? How do you think we'd ever get videos from space to promote their activity somehow, so people would willingly throw their tax money at them.

      Unless... you just make them wear clothing whenever the cam is rolling... hmm... anyone here who could dispell the naked conspiration that it ain't so?

      I'm fairly sure they didn't even land on the moon. It was all just a big conspiracy so three guys could have some private time in times when it wasn't too popular to be gay.

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    5. Re:No laundry by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      Send attractive women instead and the massive resources of the porn industry will fund humanity's ventures into space.

  10. Silver-lining Laundry by GWLlosa · · Score: 5, Funny

    So they have laundry that is special treated to go for weeks without being washed. Is it a bad sign that my first thought is "Man, if I had that, I wouldnt' have to do my own laundry so often! Where can I order some?!"

    1. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by BenBoy · · Score: 1, Funny

      Bad sign? For you, no. For your significant other ye... oh wait, slashdot, right. Call me if you find em...

    2. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by echucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can buy it any place that carries hunting clothing. Undergarments with silver threads as an anti-bacterial agent are commonplace at stores like Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops. They're used primarily by bowhunters to reduce human scent when stalking prey with a good sense of smell.

    3. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by moosesocks · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They make this sort of stuff for backpackers, deployed soldiers, and the like.

      However, I believe that only the "government contract developed" versions contain precious metals.

      This does also beg the question of how the russians, who would frequently stay on Mir for months on end managed to do things. I can't see a tiny washing machine being all that ridiculous of a thing to have on board.

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    4. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      This does also beg the question of how the russians, who would frequently stay on Mir for months on end managed to do things.

      Pretty much the same way we did on Skylab and we (and they) are doing on ISS. (Modulo modern electronics for entertainment.)
       
       

      I can't see a tiny washing machine being all that ridiculous of a thing to have on board.

      It's not ridiculous to have - it's ridiculous to use, there's no recycling system, so any water used for washing clothes becomes waste. (Not to mention humidity problems in drying them.) The clothes for 90 days (wearing them a couple of days and discarding them) weigh less and take up less space than clothes + water to wash them wish for 90 days.
    5. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      I have to wonder if simply putting dirty clothes outside for a few hours would do the trick.

      Vacuum of space to boil off any volatile (read: stinky) chemicals, a dose of UV to break some of the more resilient compounds down....surely it'd help.

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    6. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by Dracophile · · Score: 1

      This does also beg the question of how the russians, who would frequently stay on Mir for months on end managed to do things.

      No, it really doesn't.
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    7. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm pretty sure the Russians took the average Russian stoic approach. Can man freeze to death? Yes, so we have to solve it. Can man exist without air? No, so we have to solve it. Can man die from bad smell? No, so no problem.

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    8. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      I similarly have a great deal of respect for the Mir crews, and no-one has yet explained to me why we couldn't catch it and drag it over the ISS. Even if that took the entirety of a shuttle mission, it would have provided ooodles of scavengable resources. The solar panels alone would have been worth the trip. The last number I read for Earth to orbit (ETO) was $14,000/ounce. With tons of usable bits floating around, didn't that deserve some cost benefit analysis?

      -ellie

    9. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Although I don't think that it was a good idea to scrap Mir entirely, it was falling to pieces by the time the ISS was in orbit due to a lack of funding. Putting the two together would have been dangerous and irresponsible.

      The core module of the ISS was actually born out of the Soviet government's plans for a Mir II, which, along with Mir I, would couple their Buran shuttle program. (To give an idea of the Russian government's state of finances, the only functional/completed Buran was destroyed when the building it was housed in collapsed during a mild thunderstorm)

      If the Russian government wanted to participate in the ISS and get to use the shiny new space station, Mir had to be sacrificed.

      Also, consider that Mir very likely used different electrical and guidance systems.

      The biggest failure of the ISS is, in my opinion, that it was constructed in tiny pieces and launched on small rockets, over a ridiculous span of time. A Saturn V could have launched mass of the currently-completed portions of the station in two launches.

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    10. Re:Silver-lining Laundry by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      At the cost of contaminating the exterior of the station, plus increasing the the cost of the clothes a couple of orders of magnitude to withstand the environment, plus adding a potential point of failure, etc... etc...

  11. There IS Icre Cream in Space by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    According to the article, "There is also no ice cream in space. No freezer." But besides freeze-dried ice cream, according to this blog, they actually did have frozen ice cream on the ISS.

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    1. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      correct, there are refrigeration units for food on the ISS. they have things like Milk, OJ, IceCream (real) and other things like that. The article is incredibly out of date or based on bad information. Most of the meals do not require forks, spoons, etc... Some do but the astronauts typically dont use them unless it's a photo-op for news.

      Also lots of the other items are off. the ISS has regular garbage runs, Progress supply ships turn into garbage containers for the return trip/burnup. you finish all your food because you are on an incredibly scripted and designed diet for you. The portion you were given was designed for you and it is incredibly important to your health to eat your diet plan. Ipods may have been banned but other mp3 players that use a approved battery design (AA cell size) have been welcome for a long time now and the ISS crew is allowed several personal items.

      Besides, a year ago the sent up a mp3 player loaded with songs that some Norwegian girl chose as music for people in space, that mp3 player model was certified for use and is in use by ISS personnel. Just because they cant have a Trendy Ipod means nothing to them.

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    2. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by Locklin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Would it not be easy to have an unheated compartment insulated from the ISS, with 5 sides exposed to open space and in a shadow? I'm sure it would get cold enough (by heat radiation), and it would probably be useful to have a freezer to keep food/experiments fresh.

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    3. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by magicchex · · Score: 1

      It seems like the article mentions the space station at first but then focuses on the space shuttle in the "facts" section. Maybe this is where some of the discrepancies come from?

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    4. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Informative

      Would it not be easy to have an unheated compartment insulated from the ISS, with 5 sides exposed to open space and in a shadow? I'm sure it would get cold enough (by heat radiation), and it would probably be useful to have a freezer to keep food/experiments fresh.


      Things don't need to be heated in space, they need to be cooled. Radiation is generally not a very efficient way to get rid of waste heat, so it's usually quite warm in any enclosed space. So no, you can't really keep stuff cool without active refrigeration, which generates heat of its own that has to be radiated, so you don't want to do any more than necessary.
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    5. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by thewiz · · Score: 1

      They had to get rid of it because the astronauts with Lactose-intolerance could maneuver around the space station without a MMU.
      The Lactose-tolerant astronauts were jealous!

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    6. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by BDew · · Score: 1
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    7. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shuttle DUH. Not the ISS. The ISS is different. but you are too dumb to know the difference.

      But you keep shitting out your mouth.

    8. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by HiVizDiver · · Score: 1

      Things don't need to be heated in space, they need to be cooled. Radiation is generally not a very efficient way to get rid of waste heat, so it's usually quite warm in any enclosed space. So no, you can't really keep stuff cool without active refrigeration, which generates heat of its own that has to be radiated, so you don't want to do any more than necessary.

      Not to mention that ice cream is nice at around 0 deg F, and probably becomes quite unappetizing at -450.67 deg F. Simply pointing out that there are different levels of "absence of heat", just as there are different levels OF heat. :)
    9. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by eck011219 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing -- there ain't much up there, but there's plenty of cold. Seems like they could use that somehow. Maybe it's a control issue -- if you spend as much power heating it back up to conventional freezing temperatures so you don't hurt yourself when you eat it, maybe you're burning as much power in the long run as you would with a normal freezer. Or it could be that it's more thought than it's worth given that you can send pudding or fruit leather up for dessert instead.

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    10. Re:There IS Icre Cream in Space by JamesP · · Score: 1

      they have things like Milk, OJ, IceCream (real) and other things like that.

      Why would they go to all the trouble of flying OJ Simpson into space then putting him into a fridge is just beyond me...

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  12. What NASA has a budget crunch by patio11 · · Score: 0, Troll

    When you want to custom-mod your Apple products, you just have to accept that everything is going to be expensive squared.

  13. Implications for exploring other planets by HangingChad · · Score: 3, Informative

    Carries a lot of implications for traveling to even near by planets, with travel time measured in months instead of days. It's tough enough to manage consumables, but traveling to Mars without a change of clothes or some way to launder them is a huge technical challenge all on its own. Maybe clothing becomes another consumable, dispose after using. And you have to pack enough groceries to sustain the entire trip, grow your own or starve if there's a mishap.

    And those are our near neighbors, even living on the moon. Extended life in space is going to involve a lot of research. Let's face it, we're adapted for life on this planet. Trying to carry these living conditions across space is not only a technical challenge, it's a financial one as well. Who's going to pay for all this technology? All the lift capacity to get it into space and...then what? If we set up a moon base, we have to supply it. That's not going to be cheap. A Mars trip...even more expensive.

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    1. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by gaforces · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because it's more cost effective to just build bombs to make enough room for future generations and steal their resources ...

    2. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by AGMW · · Score: 1
      All the lift capacity to get it into space and...then what? If we set up a moon base, we have to supply it. That's not going to be cheap. A Mars trip...even more expensive.

      Oh No ... It's going to be a bit tricky!

      Who's going to pay for all this technology?

      Well, if we don't get off this rock we ALL are, and the sooner we get started the cheaper it is likely to be! At some point the World is going to need all the money it generates just to try and keep the ever expanding population alive - at that point it will be even more difficult to raise the funds required. About now really is the right time to start forging a path to the stars - well, let's start with our satellite and neighbours!

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    3. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      traveling to Mars without a change of clothes or some way to launder them is a huge technical challenge all on its own. Maybe clothing becomes another consumable, dispose after using. And you have to pack enough groceries to sustain the entire trip, grow your own or starve if there's a mishap.

      1. Abandon modesty in a temperature/humidity controlled environment like a spaceship. Save clothes for TV appearances.
      2. Cryogenics to escape boredom / running out of groceries.

    4. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I worry less about the money and more about our energy needs. If we don't explore and use efficient energy technologies/policies, we're going to be stuck in this gravity well until the Sun expands and burns our planet up.

    5. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Queen Isabella to Christopher Columbus: Carries a lot of implications for traveling to even near continents, with travel time measured in months instead of days...And you have to pack enough groceries to sustain the entire trip, grow your own or starve if there's a mishap. And those are our near neighbors, even the West Indies. Sailing across the ocean is going to involve a lot of research. Let's face it, we're adapted to life on land. Trying to carry these living conditions across the ocean is not only a technical challenge, it's a financial one as well...

      But somehow, they figured it out, and we will, too.

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    6. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by Umuri · · Score: 1

      Really? Because it's not like this hasn't happened before.. crews being gone for weeks or months at a time, no way to resupply, stuck in small cramped quarters....

      and of course they weren't on wooden ships at the time either...

      and of course in space there are no storms or shit that risk destroying your ship...

      and of course they was strict mental profiling done beforehand to make sure everyone got along....

      Personally I think we're just too stuck up to not try to reinvent the wheel because the old wheel doesn't fit our hip new lifestyle of personal space. :P

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    7. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by raduf · · Score: 1

      The difference is, once on the other side they could get nacked and live happily ever after. We can't.

    8. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by chazbet · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Bad analogy.

      Ocean going ships are traveling in an oxygen-nitrogen atmosphere at 1 G. All you need are sufficient provisions, and if you want a change in diet, throw a net or line over the side for some fish. Space ships are in Space (near vacuum, no gravity, nothing).

      Grow up, future space cadets. Space travel is not Star Trek.

    9. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by element-o.p. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are talking about a quantitative rather than qualitative difference. Navigation was difficult in the 15th and 16th centuries. Weather was unpredictable. Power was by virtue of the wind -- too much or too little and the ships go nowhere. While you can fill your belly with fish, it is not a nutritionally complete food (can you say "scurvy"?). And if the early sea travelers got in over their heads (no pun intended), they were on their own. They had to be every bit as self-sufficient as current and future space travelers will have to be.

      My point was not that space travel will be easy -- it won't. My point was that the early explorers of the New World faced very serious problems that pushed the limit of their science and technology, and space travelers in our age will also have to face problems that challenge the limits of our science and technology. But mankind has always risen to the challenge; we will do so again.

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    10. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are so many people concerned about our population? What resources do you feel are going to be lacking in the near future that overpopulation would be responsible for taking away? Food is certainly not an issue, so long as our current techniques of genetic modification are expanded to more locations. Water shouldn't be an issue with desalinization of ocean water.

    11. Re:Implications for exploring other planets by lennier · · Score: 1

      "You are talking about a quantitative rather than qualitative difference."

      No. The huge difference between space and ocean exploration is that there is no life in space that we have so far encountered.

      Zero biosphere. Not just 'not much'. None at all. That means no exploitable resources (except raw rock and photons, both of which are already abundant and cheaper on Earth). Unless you've suddenly got a *very* expensive and saleable use for city-sized ingots of magnesium and nickel-iron? But you can't eat metal, not even gold. You can build ships in space out of space metal, maybe. But what are you going to put *in* them? And why burn very expensive space labour on building huge metal hulks that can't go anywhere interesting? All the fun happens in biospheres. There just aren't any in space.

      Plus, it costs *more* to drop even pure space gold down the gravity well, than any

      Nothing to go there for, nothing to find when we get there, nothing to sell to finance the travel. No tobacco, no furs, no spices. No corn, no potatoes, no spices, no turkeys, no raccoons. No Aztecs. No Cherokee. No oxygen, even.

      Space is a zero. The big empty. The nothing. The nowhere. Less interesting than a hole in the ground.

      Why do you want to go, again? For what we *might* find, should it turn out the best of our science and all our automated surveys are completely wrong?

      Sending people into space *hoping* desperately against all odds to find life 'somewhere' is like Columbus planning a voyage premised not on Earth being round, but that it was actually *flat* and he'd fall off the Great Waterfall into a land of magical pixie dinosaurs. It's conceivable, yes, that we might find some exotic exo-bug on Mars that might be worth billions in commercial investment... conceivable, but not terribly likely, and goes against the trend of the last fifty years of serious space science. Who'd fund a voyage on that premise?

      Why not just seal yourself up into a can and bury yourself in the Grand Canyon? You'll experience a far richer biosphere and be able to do a lot more real science there.

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  14. What's up with this article? by WalterGR · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Worse... grammar... ever.

    1. Re:What's up with this article? by ACDChook · · Score: 1

      Worse... grammar... ever. I believe you mean 'Worst'.
    2. Re:What's up with this article? by Scutter · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Worse... grammar... ever.

      "Worst", actually. :-)

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    3. Re:What's up with this article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And - WTF!, is... up with? your. punctuation;

    4. Re:What's up with this article? by Jens+Egon · · Score: 1

      Whooorst!

    5. Re:What's up with this article? by AaxelB · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I suspect that CmdrTaco is completely shitfaced, what with St. Patrick's Day and all. At least, it's St. Patrick's Day if you decide to accept the new date set by that old guy with the funny hat who thinks he has the power to move holidays. I mean, who the hell does he think he is?

  15. no messes by nawcom · · Score: 1

    you don't have to worry about who is gonna sleep on the wet spot that night. Though I didn't look from a female perspective; it actually might be frustrating to them.

  16. Food in space/Antarctic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was posted in Antarctica for a year they gave us all a questionnaire about what foods we liked/disliked, to determine what to put in my food parcel. When I got over there I found they had packed all the foods I didn't like ! It's supposed to stop you scoffing all your food quickly. I was thinking of killing and eating penguin within a week.

    Bastards.

    I imagine space expeditions such as a manned Mars mission will use a similar methodology - fussy eaters beware when you fill in the form !

    1. Re:Food in space/Antarctic by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      Too bad you posted AC, this is _still_ modded -1. Someone with points better fix that quick, this is the most insightful comment I've seen since the Muhammed thread.

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    2. Re:Food in space/Antarctic by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      Easy solution:

      "I really like everything except steak and stout."

      Honestly

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    3. Re:Food in space/Antarctic by zolaar · · Score: 1

      Just what I need: a burlap sack full of peanut-flavored death to eat for the next three months...

      Hopefully, there was a separate section for "Food Allergies"?

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  17. Illusion and reality by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Prof. Hawking thinks the only hope for the human race is to colonise space. And after 50 years of trying, people still have to take their underwear home to wash it just as if they were students. The gap between the fantasy (sending large numbers of humans with the equipment to colonise other planets across vast distances) and the reality - it will take nearly three weeks of testing before they have the nerve to try to dock a 7 tonne pod to the ISS, and we can barely keep a few people going a few hundred miles up - is literally astronomical.

    Given the huge success of unmanned missions to the planets, it really is very tempting to ask, why don't we just stop doing this stuff. Either we are going to have a planetary energy crisis, and will have to stop wasting vast amounts of fuel on sending people to orbit, or we will find a clever fix, and so be able to do this much more cheaply at some future date. It seems pointless to do something not very useful at the limit of human capability when there are so many more interesting engineering problems to solve - energy efficient housing and vehicles, efficient and cheap solar power, all need the technologies used in manned spaceflight, but on a different scale and in different ways. A ten year moratorium on manned spaceflight with the effort entirely going into solving energy supply and global warming problems could have a huge payback.

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    1. Re:Illusion and reality by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well I think they are doing things wrong. They keep talking about travelling to Mars etc when what they should do is focus on building much better space stations. Once you have a space station with artificial "gravity", decent radiation shielding, and all the other good stuff so that astronauts can live on it for years without suffering so much like the russian astronauts, then you can talk about travelling. In fact people might then prefer to travel to the asteroid belt instead - get raw materials for building more space stations without having to spend lots of energy fighting a gravity well.

      They might also want to try out tethered satellites. Instead of a full space elevator right from the start, try suspending the "comms/sensor" bits of the satellite closer to earth, with the counter weight at the other end (solar panels etc), so that the satellite is still in geostationary orbit, but you have much better comms latencies. I suspect some people are willing to pay a premium for lower latency sat comms. If they can't even do such satellites then I think trying for a space elevator is silly.

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    2. Re:Illusion and reality by rhakka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      exactly how is this "clever fix" going to happen if we are not actively working with the knowledge we have and trying to improve it again?

      Are you assuming that we get no technological benefit here on earth trying to solve these things at the "limit of human capability"?

      You could just as easily flip your arguement around and say that one of the ways we get to develope things like better solar panels is through the efforts of the space program. That sounds like synergy, not wasted effort, to me.

      I have a MUCH BETTER idea. How about a ten year moratorium on WAR AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BOMBED US, with all that effort going solely to solve energy/environmental problems? That would have astronomically greater payback without also hacking at the very technological progress you are hoping to achieve.

    3. Re:Illusion and reality by b1scuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's a /little/ inflammatory, (but really, this is /. and inflammatory is our thing) but it's not like the guy doesn't have a perfectly valid point. I don't think people realize just how much bloody money gets spent on things that are designed to /explode/. Even if you ignore the people that generally die or get injured when these gadgets reach the end of their very short useful lifespan, it's an incredible waste of resources. It's quite literally throwing time, money and actual corporeal resources into the ether.

      Even giving half of our (the U.S.) military budget to other more socially minded programs (I'm thinking education, healthcare, energy and general infrastructure) would have huge positive effects on our country. It's a really absurd amount of money and manpower, and the results of late have been kind of lackluster. We could be throwing that money at useful things and be getting actual results, but we aren't.

    4. Re:Illusion and reality by rcw-home · · Score: 1

      They might also want to try out tethered satellites. Instead of a full space elevator right from the start, try suspending the "comms/sensor" bits of the satellite closer to earth, with the counter weight at the other end (solar panels etc), so that the satellite is still in geostationary orbit, but you have much better comms latencies.

      GEO is 35786km up. Is putting a 30000km tether in GEO realistically cheaper than putting a satellite constellation in LEO?

    5. Re:Illusion and reality by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Probably not.

      Anyway, it's more of a "learning thing" - lots of people claim that the space elevator thing is a good idea. The idea has its merits IF it can actually be done safely and it actually works out cheaper than rockets in practice (rather than just theory :) ).

      Doing tethered satellites would be good practice - I doubt anybody will be able to get a space elevator right first time.

      Not sure we're ready for such things politically - such satellites (and elevators) would be extremely vulnerable to hostiles.

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    6. Re:Illusion and reality by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      You could build the space elevator in stages.

      The elevator sections can maintain their positions with very efficient ion thrusters.
      It would probably be most useful to ship fuel to a medium orbit, which can then be used by the space shuttle to ferry very large satellites from there to Geosynch.

      Alternatively it could be used to resupply the space station. Make it spin to match with the incoming rocket, and an eccentric orbit that would synchronize up with the space station every once in a while and your supply rockets become tiny.

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    7. Re:Illusion and reality by TheLink · · Score: 1

      I don't understand your suggestion.

      Space elevators would be in a geostationary orbit.

      They can't easily sync with medium or lower orbits - any stuff lower down will be whizzing past the tether (if not colliding with it).

      Geostationary orbit - at the centre of mass = 3km/s.
      Tether dangling down to the altitude of a medium or low orbit will be travelling at 3km/s * (6400km+ altitude)/35000km = 0.6 to 1km/s (at surface it's about 0.4km/sec).

      low orbit satellite = 8km/s
      medium orbit = slower than 8km/s but faster than 3km/s and definitely a lot faster than 1km/sec

      Slowing down something travelling at 5km/sec so it can hook up with a tether travelling at 1km/sec is not trivial. After that how are you going to speed it back up again so that it can ferry stuff from medium orbit to 35000km up?

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    8. Re:Illusion and reality by IdeaMan · · Score: 1
      Easy. They both rotate.

      The advantage is that the energy is transferred into the cable, and engines on the cable are very efficient because they can operate over a much longer time period than the transfer takes. Another approach is that the interaction with the earths magnetic field means you can use a conductive cable to increase or decrease your orbit by passing an electrical current through it.

      The really hard part is keeping them all synchronized.

      The cool part is that the materials requirements are much less than for the full 10-1 taper 6000 ton geosynch hook.

      Other interesting space elevator concepts.

      Also from :

      An improvement over the simple rotating tether was invented by Brian Tillotson, here at Boeing,
      where a small tensile structure rotates at the tip of a larger cable, which is either hanging vertically under gravity gradient forces or rotating itself. Then I came up with the '3 stage tether', where a tower sticks up to the top of the atmosphere and has a rotating tether on top, with rocket attached to the tip. The rocket is slowly brung up to speed, then released, to fly up and rendezvous with the two stage tether described before. This sufficiently lowers the required
      materials strengths that existing materials are adequate to mostly eliminate the rocket propulsion requirement. I've been doing a little reading about space elevators, skyhooks, space fountains, earth to space cannons, etc. I just think that there are easier/cheaper ways (given some up front investment) to get mass into space than rockets. Once we have a delivery system that can push large amounts of fuel and materials into space for a decent price, travel to other planets, satellite deployment and space tourism all will get a huge boost.
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  18. They left off burping by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On earth, gravity striates your stomach contents so the heavier stuff is on the bottom and the gas is on the top. So when you burp it's mostly gas which comes up. In space, this doesn't happen, and burping is a lot like throwing up. So foods that make you burp, like carbonated beverages, are a no-no.

    1. Re:They left off burping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      So, you could prevent that effect from the foods by putting people into a centrifuge.
      Yep, that'd stop people from throwing up when they burp for sure.

    2. Re:They left off burping by Attaturk · · Score: 1

      Aww that was funny. What spoilsport modded this down? If I had any mod points left over I'd right the wrong. But I don't. So I'm sharing karma instead.

    3. Re:They left off burping by CharlieG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sounds like they need ullage rockets for the astronauts.... grin

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  19. No ice cream? No Freezer? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Okay, others seem to be talking about freeze-dried ice cream being available (blech). But in any case it seems like there'd be a way to design a freezer that takes advantage of the close proximity of outer space.

    (Imperfect analogy warning) Back when I was in college, which was before the days of affordable small refrigerators, we used to take stuff we wanted kept cool and hang it in a plastic sack outside our dorm window. For a good part of the Seattle school year, it's cool enough outside for that to work...

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    1. Re:No ice cream? No Freezer? by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      People seem to think outer space is cold. It isn't, it just has no temperature because there's nothing there. If you dump water in outer space it isn't going to just instantly freeze because the only way it loses heat is through radiating it out - nothing pulls the heat out of it.

    2. Re:No ice cream? No Freezer? by carambola5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are correct, sir. Instead of freezing, the water would actually vaporize. The near-instantaneous drop in pressure trumps the comparatively slow radiative cooling process. If you remember your phase chart for water (you know, the one with the regions for solid, liquid, and gas and a triple point joining all three), the state would fall from the liquid region into the gas region before moving left into the solid region.

      Then again, there is the sliver of possibility of freezing if the water is initially at 0C, but again, that's because the pressure drop brings it through the solid phase (then back into the gaseous phase). Radiative cooling doesn't cause the freeze.

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    3. Re:No ice cream? No Freezer? by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, I would have thought that space is cold enough - what with the background temp a few degrees above absolute zero - that a suitably large enough heatsink shaded from the sun and exposed to space would make a nice cold plate for the back of a well-insulated freezer. Yes, yes, the heat transfer out to space due to radiative effects is low, but add a reasonable amount of thermal mass to the heatsink and you'd have a respectable buffer for cooling warm things down when they're first put in.

      Of course, the numbers for "suitably large heatsink" and "reasonable amount of thermal mass" might make it impractical though....

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  20. There are reasons for no Pizza in space by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Among them are that pizza is a gravity sensitive food. There is an up side and a down side. The crust may be flaky or crumbly at times and that's a big problem in 0-G environments. But more than that is the possibility of liberated ingredients. I know it might seem funny to say it, but no one needs a "flying sausage in space."

    I do like to say it though... heh... flying sausage...

    1. Re:There are reasons for no Pizza in space by PPH · · Score: 1

      Among them are that pizza is a gravity sensitive food. I guess this means that random probability breaks down in zero gravity.


      We can carry equip the ISS with carpeting of various values, but measuring the frequency of bread falling butter side down will be impossible.

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    2. Re:There are reasons for no Pizza in space by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

      If you want to do experiments in gravity, we've got some right here.

    3. Re:There are reasons for no Pizza in space by kdougherty · · Score: 0

      I suppose its better than a flying spaghetti monster...

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    4. Re:There are reasons for no Pizza in space by pz · · Score: 1

      Gives new meaning to the phrase, "flying spaghetti monster," doesn't it?

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    5. Re:There are reasons for no Pizza in space by TheAxeMaster · · Score: 1

      We like to call this advanced space-pizza "Hot Pockets."

  21. Apparently you don't get spell check either by macwhizkid · · Score: 1
    Your iPod needs to be modifie to use Alkaline batteries. And also, did you know... that in space... you only get one spooooon.

    But luckily, unlike Taco, you do get a spelling checker!

    1. Re:Apparently you don't get spell check either by crispin_bollocks · · Score: 1

      Somebody hasn't watched enough episodes of The Tick

    2. Re:Apparently you don't get spell check either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't talking about spooooon. There's another misspelled word.

  22. Could someone clarify by carnivorouscow · · Score: 1

    ...why rechargeable lithium batteries aren't OK in space but alkaline batteries are? I can't think of any way gravity would affect battery operation or why the electrode material would matter.

    1. Re:Could someone clarify by kailoran · · Score: 1

      There have been cases of lithium bateries igniting or even exploding. It doesn't matter that it's very rare -- it can happen with consumer-grade li-something batteries, so they are not allowed. The worst that can happen with an alkaline battery is a small corrosive leak, and then again it doesn't really happen with new batteries, and would not endanger the entire station anyway.

      Gravity has little do do with the batteries, but the a possible fire in space is a huge no-no.

    2. Re:Could someone clarify by lexarius · · Score: 1

      It's probably just that the batteries haven't been "certified" yet. The alkalines have been certified, so it's probably easier to stick them in than to certify the new batteries. Also, think back to the laptop battery fire stories we got in the last year or so.

    3. Re:Could someone clarify by norton_I · · Score: 1

      Fire hazard. Not only are there the defective batteries that internally short out and explode on their own, most lithium batteries will do this if shorted out externally. In zero-G it is easier for metal particles to float around and get into the electronics. If they just break your ipod, no big deal. If they start a fire it is *very* bad. Doubly so with lithium batteries, since lithium fires are very difficult to extinguish and can potentially ignite other metals.

      Even ignoring whether a given lithium battery would really be a hazard, it is much more effective to certify AA batteries (or a certain model of AA batteries) as safe for space, then use devices that run off of AA batteries than having to individually certify every rechargeable battery in every device you want to use.

    4. Re:Could someone clarify by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      The zero-G environment is only one thing you have to consider before you stick things in a spacecraft. You're not just putting those objects where they'll float around; you're also putting them into a closed environment that is going to stay that way for weeks, and is absolutely intolerant of fires, toxic gas production, and quite a few other things. Events that are just a pain in the ass down here will kill you in space.

      rj

    5. Re:Could someone clarify by rah1420 · · Score: 1

      yep, that's exactly what TFA said...

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  23. In space, no one can hear you scream for ice cream by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of the article isn't accurate, either. For example, they've had freeze dried "astronaut ice cream" for decades! It turns out that "astronaut ice cream" really has little to do with spaceflight. According to Wikipedia "Apollo 7 in 1968 was the only NASA mission on which space ice cream flew in outer space." Space ice cream was a special request for one of the Apollo missions," Kloeris said. "It wasn't that popular; most of the crew really didn't like it, so it isn't used any more."
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  24. Modifie your iPod?! by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Won't that void the warrantie?

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    1. Re:Modifie your iPod?! by Mage+Powers · · Score: 1

      worth it.

  25. ObMST3K by BorgCopyeditor · · Score: 1

    Listen, about the astronauts,

    if you're wondering how they eat and breathe,
    And other science facts.
    Then repeat to yourself, "It's just a shuttle,
    I should really just relax."

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  26. Here's proof they do have iPods by sighted · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As the Endeavor approached the space station this week, crew members on board the station snapped this shot.

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    1. Re:Here's proof they do have iPods by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's necessarily contradictory - the article description did say that iPods needed to be modified to use alkaline batteries. The iPod pictured does appear to be mounted to a box that could be an external battery case.

    2. Re:Here's proof they do have iPods by MeepMeep · · Score: 1

      TFA explicitly SAID that they have Ipods ON THE SHUTTLE, it's just that they must have the lithium battery removed and replaced with alkaline batteries.

      Where the Ipods are NOT allowed is ON THE SPACE STATION, as the Ipod isn't certified on the space station yet.

      So, to summarize for the reading impaired:

      Ipod on shuttle = allowed
      Ipod on International Space Station = not allowed (currently)

    3. Re:Here's proof they do have iPods by sighted · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I wasn't trying to say I'd busted open the space iPod conspiracy. Just thought it was an interesting picture.

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    4. Re:Here's proof they do have iPods by alxkit · · Score: 0

      this pic is so fake! check out the cloud shadows down on the ground. if this was real - you should be able to see the shuttle's payload bay with a naked eye. i call bs.

  27. Aliens can grow beards, but not people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The universe has an atmosphere of -5.

  28. batteries by zogger · · Score: 1

    What do they use for the really big onboard batteries then? (if you know) thanks in advance!

    1. Re:batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Really expensive custom job. I've heard that the Certs alone (never less testing, etc.) to get the batteries to fly was outrageous. Even the batteries we use were (very) tough to locate.

      http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT/2003/6000/6910dalton.html

    2. Re:batteries by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      What do they use for the really big onboard batteries then? (if you know) thanks in advance!

      I would think they'd use metal-hydride or something.

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    3. Re:batteries by zogger · · Score: 1

      Neat looking rig! And you know they work well, because they have an Acme screw! ;)

  29. What you don't know about living in space... by PoopDaddy · · Score: 0

    could fill some kind of infinite vacuum.

  30. The question is... by the_skywise · · Score: 2, Funny

    Do they use an FM transmitter, cassette adapter or did somebody modify the console with an Aux-in...

    1. Re:The question is... by k4_pacific · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the space shuttle, so I'm assuming they use an adapter that fits into the in-dash eight track player.

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    2. Re:The question is... by jameskojiro · · Score: 1

      But is was Designed in the early 70's that means they have a special made Wax-cylinder adapter.

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  31. Sounds like what is what like to live... by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

    in a submarien; except we had real food on the boat. Non-smokers could make som egood deals near the end of a deplpyment when the smokers were out of smokes.

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    1. Re:Sounds like what is what like to live... by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I would have thought that the recycled atmosphere of a submarine was the LAST place you would want to allow smoking

  32. Smells like feet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet the space station smells like old socks. Most B-52's do. Better that than perfume, though.

  33. What about sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My question is: "How they survive without sex out there?"
    I personally think that cosmonauts have to eat (or are fed) some type of chemicals to suppress the natural need for sex.

    1. Re:What about sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I managed 3 years and 6 months ... in my early to mid twenties, I might add. But then, I had beer, wine, curry and the Hun's yellow pages to keep me going.

    2. Re:What about sex? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      They read /. all day.

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  34. iPods are Battery Burners? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    FTFA:

    ``But now the people who figure out just where to stow everyone on the space shuttle have to find space for spare double-A batteries, because the iPods tend to be battery burners!''

    Compared to CD players? (mentioned earlier in the article) That surprises me.

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    1. Re:iPods are Battery Burners? by CityZen · · Score: 1

      No, not compared to CD players, but compared to their original design.

      Ipods are designed to use rechargeable batteries that last 10-20 hours (or whatever they're up to now). After that, you're supposed to recharge them. If you switch to non-rechargeable batteries, then you get perhaps about 3-5 hours (just a guess - alkaline batteries hold much less energy than Li-ion ones), and then you need new batteries.

    2. Re:iPods are Battery Burners? by evilviper · · Score: 1

      ``iPods tend to be battery burners!''

      Compared to CD players? (mentioned earlier in the article) That surprises me.

      Very much-so.

      Sony lists their CD Walkman at 30 hours on 2xAA with MP3 CDs. Aiwa and Panasonic aren't far behind. And frankly, those are low estimates. Besides, it could be much better still if specifically designed for MP3s (maybe 256kbps max), and unable to play CDDA.
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  35. No Ice Scream by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 0, Redundant

    FTFA: ``There is also no ice cream in space. No freezer.''

    What about outside? I imagine that, at least on the shadow side of the station, it's pretty cold out there.

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  37. How to make life comfortable in Space by DeltaQH · · Score: 0

    Until we are able to download (and upload) our conscience in/from a solid state computer, life in space is going to be a lot uncomfortable. Our bodies are too much adapted to living in this planet. Trying to replicate such environment in space take just too resources, energy and weight. We should buy some licenses of that transfer technology from the Cylons.

  38. I kind of agree with that too by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1

    But that is US politics, which I stay out of. The ISS includes European tax income, and as I pay Gordon about $40000 a year, I think I have a right to comment on how some of my taxes are spent. I'm afraid I actually support what our Army is trying to achieve in Afghanistan, where the problem there is partly caused by US funding of the Islamic fundies in the 80s. Somebody has to take a stand against people who oppress women.

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    1. Re:I kind of agree with that too by rhakka · · Score: 1

      yes, bombing people to death is an appropriate response.

      It's not "US" politics. Most major countries out there today have soldiers out killing people that haven't hurt them (or are on a short hiatus from such activities, at best). While I was targeting my own government, the fact is we have much more important things to do than to kill each other.

      Oppression is going to be much worse than anything afghanistan exhibits on women.. brutal as it may be... worldwide if something isn't done soon. Big countries with nukes are not going to go down quietly when energy supplies are too scarce to meet everyone's needs.

  39. Silver lining? by dotancohen · · Score: 1, Redundant

    [quote]Their T-shirts, socks and underwear have a special silver thread lining that absorbs odor and keeps items wearable longer.[quote]

    Like every other cloud, duh.

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  40. Seems they forgot a big one ... by Ralconte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The way I heard it, in microgravity, fluids accumulate in your respiratory tract. Being in space is like having a head cold, not exactly the best condition for getting good work done.

  41. I'm a Troll for saying parent should be Funny??? by SpammersAreScum · · Score: 1

    Hmmph. I try to humorously (?) point out that some moderators have missed the point by calling GP Insightful rather than Funny. The GP then gets Funny and I get Troll. Apparently said lunkheads were not amused.

  42. Have to say it by k4_pacific · · Score: 1

    What You Don't Know About Living in Space...
    CAN KILL YOU!!!

    Sorry, I've been watching the local news again.

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  43. Oo by Konster · · Score: 2, Funny

    In space, no one can hear your ice cream.

  44. Wrong wrong wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That mp3 player with the "space songs" contests...was an iPod.

    The Iranian tourist that went up to the ISS a year or two ago took an iPod to help her sleep.

    There have been famous photos of an iPod sitting on the "dashboard" of the Endeavour. It is required that the lithium battery be replaced, but that's hardly a Herculean task.

  45. Re:I'm a Troll for saying parent should be Funny?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you're a troll because you live under a bridge and demand payment from travelers. It had nothing to do with your envious bitching about moderation, as we all know that it's important to knock others down, otherwise how would your mediocre attempts receive the gracious praise you so richly deserve.

  46. Re:In space, no one can hear you scream for ice cr by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    If they can't have a freezer, couldn't they bring real ice cream (and other freezer kept foods) and keep it outside in the shade?

  47. No security by tverbeek · · Score: 2

    The bit about no padlocks reminds me of a head-thumping bit from an episode of ST:TNG (one written during the previous writers strike, in defense of the show's regular writers). The Enterprise has picked up a 20th century business executive, who in the middle of a tense military confrontation with the Romlulans is able to nag Picard using the ship's intercomm, because the Federation assumes that everyone on board will use the comm system responsibly, so it has no authentication or usage restrictions.

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    1. Re:No security by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Writers strikes comeand go.... but those episodes will stick around forever!!!

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  48. walmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    walmart actually has this clothing -long underwear and socks-on the shelf in the sporting goods section. It has woven in silver wires, the silver kills bacteria constantly. Sharp has made a washing machine where the drum is silver coated as well, for the same reason. And a lot of water filters use silver, including the ones on space missions.

    Ya, I know you were getting a funny, but the stuff is out there for anyone interested.

  49. 1983 called... by Akardam · · Score: 1

    ... wondering if they could introduce you to this wonderfull food product called Hot Pockets.

  50. I see... by Samah · · Score: 1

    ...you've played knifey-spoony before.

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  51. Padlocks? by Chysn · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    > On a previous mission many years ago a space shuttle commander was concerned about a crew member
    > he considered potentially volatile. He requested a padlock to lock the hatch to keep someone from
    > opening it unexpectedly during a mission.

    Holy crap, if a commander is concerned that a member of his crew might actually kill people, why would he even allow that person onboard? Psychological screening seems like a better solution than a padlock.

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  52. But do they know where their towel is? by t0rch · · Score: 1

    After all, a hoopy frood always knows where his towel is.

  53. Wow.. by mikeinwa · · Score: 1

    That's crazy lol Padlocks!

  54. All this due to lack of gravity by master_p · · Score: 1

    If and ever artificial gravity is discovered, a hell of lot will change regarding our lives.

    In the meantime, couldn't a rotating space station be constructed so as that there is some simulated gravity environment on board?

    1. Re:All this due to lack of gravity by mfnickster · · Score: 1

      > In the meantime, couldn't a rotating space station be constructed so as that there is some simulated gravity environment on board?

      There's a very interesting exploration of that very topic here (Google cache version):

      http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3u.html

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  55. Sounds like... by plsander · · Score: 1

    A backpacking trip to the back country...

    No freezer, no icecream.
    Few will pack a Dutch Oven or box oven, so no pizza.
    Eat everything you can so there is less in the trash.
    Compress the trash so it takes up less space.
    No washing -- maybe rinsing the clothes.

    Differences from backpacking:
    No silver threads in the underware... we just stink.
    No bears in space, so you don't have to hang a bear bag.
    There is a toilet, so no cat holes.

  56. No good pizza in Texas??? by VAXcat · · Score: 1

    I'll match Star Pizza and Fuzzy's pizza, both in HOuston Texas, against the best New York and Chicago have to offer.

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  57. Local currency develops ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Having broken the Prime Directive of /. by RTFAing, I wonder why they're surprised that astronaut's "goody stash" become a source of "trade goods" towards the end of a mission.
    People in an isolated environment, with restricted access to status goods use a lower status material of restricted availability as a proxy for other items of value. Look in any prison at the trade in "contraband" tobacco. Look also at the submariner's tale (up-thread, look for a typo of "submarien", IIRC) of tobacco rations being treated similarly. Look back to the rationing in the war (any war), and what a GI could get for a pair of nylons. Come out to an oil rig with my colleagues and I for a couple of weeks and notice how the "can of coke and a Mars bar" becomes a local variant of a gold standard.
    To be honest, I'd suspect that the mission planners DELIBERATELY included the sweeties etc. - in a "stashable" form - so that people would develop this sort of economy. It then naturally provides a (seemingly) self-developed social lubricant to minor awkward moments. Good psychology.
    That's probably why the submariners had a "smokes" ration too. This isn't exactly a novel situation.
    Which would you prefer - chocolates, smokes, or a good dose of Rum, Sodomy and The Lash (allegedly Winston Churchill's list of the traditions of the Royal Navy).

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  58. So did you! by jeephistorian · · Score: 2, Funny

    My god! You just betrayed that you also read TFA! Mods! Ask this man to leave his /. card at the door!

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  59. Next wave of patents by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I think I need to file a patent on this method

    Is "in a centrifuge" the next "over the internet"?

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