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MIT Student Gets Artistic With LED Art

Gibbs-Duhem writes "An MIT graduate student has up a page showcasing a standout art project. He's designed custom LED light fixtures which are seven times brighter than the closest similar commercial models, and include colors which can't be reproduced by a normal RGB cluster (including two ridiculously bright UV LEDs). The result: some beautiful mixed media artwork. The author's goal is to eventually publish a guide to make getting into creating such artwork more accessible to the general public. The site includes lots of great photos and a movie of the art in action. It also has in depth descriptions of the theory involved in this relatively new form of art, an explanation of how the paints were chosen, and an in depth technical discussion of how such lights are designed with schematics and board layouts for those who might wish to build their own lights."

163 comments

  1. LED art by saskboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've thought for a while that there are great possibilities for LED art. One project I'm not ambitious enough to set out to complete, would be a country's flag, arranged like lite-brites into the recognizable pattern and colours. The whole thing would be powered by a tiny windmill, making it a wind powered flag.

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    1. Re:LED art by xaxa · · Score: 1

      There's some real CFL art that's much more impressive than this LED art. (For those who don't want to click, it's CFLs, but the tubes aren't compact, but big and swirly and pretty. I'll go back to my psychoactive drugs now, thanks :-)

    2. Re:LED art by creepynut · · Score: 1

      Your link is very broken ... Took a few tries to figure out this link.

    3. Re:LED art by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I forgot to check it (I think I middle-clicked-to-paste twice, so the second pasting is inside the first).

    4. Re:LED art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it only me who think it looks like rendered CG?

    5. Re:LED art by Craptastic+Weasel · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose it's entirely worth mentioning, but one of the stained glass pictures is upside down..

      Or alternatively, the entire universe was upside down during this one shot...

  2. damnit by MOMOCROME · · Score: 4, Funny

    I misread it as "MIT Student Gets Arrested With LED Art" which is of course very exciting as it suggests LED Art is now illegal in Mass.

    It's strange to feel all deflated by reading about a cool and hackish thing like that.

    1. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:damnit by Aerion · · Score: 1

      I misread it as "MIT Student Gets Arrested With LED Art" which is of course very exciting as it suggests LED Art is now illegal in Mass.


      No, that really did happen. Seriously.
    3. Re:damnit by Trogre · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I thought someone might bring up the Boston talking milkshake party. Those silly sods deserved all the police attention they received.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    4. Re:damnit by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      ...Although, if the reporting is accurate and she did indeed try to walk through a security checkpoint, wearing a bundle of wires and circuitry on her chest without responding to security personnel when they asked what the thing on her shirt was, the blame for that incident lies squarely on the MIT student's shoulders.

    5. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought someone might bring up the Boston talking milkshake party. Those silly sods deserved all the police attention they received. Get the FUCK out of my country you fucking totalitarian boot licker.
      Go cower in fear somewhere else, you don't belong here because you are neither free nor brave.
    6. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although, if the reporting is accurate and she did indeed try to walk through a security checkpoint, wearing a bundle of wires and circuitry on her chest without responding to security personnel when they asked what the thing on her shirt was, the blame for that incident lies squarely on the MIT student's shoulders. While the reporting was heinously distortive, it was never quite as wrong as you got it.

      Not even faux news said she tried to walk through a "security checkpoint" - all she did was ask a question of the person at the info desk.

      The person at the info desk - NOT EVEN VAGUELY SECURITY PERSONNEL - asked her what the LEDS were, she said "art" and then continued about her business.

      The blame lies solely on stupid CYA security policies that require a "response no matter what" -- that's escalation without application of rational thinking. You've got one dumb cluck of a info-desk clerk, who probably doesn't even have a high school diploma, causing a major incident that could have been easily avoided if anyone at any step of the way had applied a degree of critical thought to the issue. What's next? Exvacutation because someone dreams about a bomb?

      Don't think for a minute that any of this anti-terrorism "security" is about protecting anyone from actual threats. They might as well name them the Department of the CYA because their sole purpose is to protect the asses of the people in charge. If they react completely out of proportion to any perceived threat, then when an actual threat slips through they can point at all of their over-the-top reactions in the past as proof of 'diligence' thus insuring their asses are well covered, and may even get increased funding...

      This institutionalized cowardice is destroying our country, it has got to stop or we will never be able to maintain our status as the largest superpower.
    7. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +10000 Get out, GP. You're not needed here.

    8. Re:damnit by flajann · · Score: 1
      Oh you mean: Star Simpson's Big Wrong?


      Not that LED Art (and advertisements, if you recall the other idiot overreaction to the LED ads in Boston) is "illegal", but...

      Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a BOMB to Mass Holes!


      Well, now I've said it.

    9. Re:damnit by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      What happened to her (Star Simpson)?

      No news of conviction, sentence or acquittal or much of anything?

      Did she "disappear"?

      As controversial as her actions were (*), the fact that there is not even a wikipedia article on her is shocking...

      (*) People saying everything from she should've been shot, should go to jail for the full 5 years all the way towards making her out to be totally innocent of anything, including being a bonehead.

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    10. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened to her (Star Simpson)? She opted for a bench trial and after a handful of delays by the state is due for a ruling in the next week or so.

      I suspect her wikipedia article was a victim of the ongoing purges. She certainly had one within hours of the original news breaking.

      I have found it incredibly difficult to track news of her progress myself, in part because there is so much noise - hundreds of web pages from the first few days that all tend to aggregate at the top of the search results from google and the other engines. Plus the fact that O.J. Simpson is a "star" doesn't make it easy either.
    11. Re:damnit by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

      Star's next court date is March 21st. Her attorney has moved to have all charges dismissed.
      http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N1/simpson.html

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      Nothing for 6-digit uids?
    12. Re:damnit by Mark+Gordon · · Score: 1

      The only news source I've found that's providing any real coverage any more is The Tech.

    13. Re:damnit by terrymr · · Score: 1

      Theres this one too.

    14. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that he called someone a "sod" suggests quite strongly that he is *not* in the US, but in the UK.

    15. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. When I moved to germany, I immediately forgot every word of english I had learned over the past 30 years.

      You seem to be confused about the difference between "from" and "in."

    16. Re:damnit by Trogre · · Score: 1

      This is not your country. Never was, never will be.

      (waits to be modded to oblivion)

      No I'm not totalitarian; I strive for freedom as much as anyone else. Merely making an observation regarding the country you apparently reside in.

      I don't live in fear, by the way. But distributing electronic devices depicting a character no one over 25 has ever seen, who is making a gesture of obscenity and defiance, is asking for trouble no matter where you live. Do you honestly believe talking meatball man didn't do it to get a reaction?

      Of course every time something like this happens, it becomes more "normal", so the next "artist" has to come up with something more shocking to get the same amount of attention.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    17. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't live in fear, by the way. But distributing electronic devices depicting a character no one over 25 has ever seen, who is making a gesture of obscenity and defiance, is asking for trouble no matter where you live. Do you honestly believe talking meatball man didn't do it to get a reaction? The hyperbole you use to depict the events is all that's necessary to see that you are a fucking bootlicker in direct contradiction of your own claims.

      no one over 25 - I'm over 35, I NEVER watch the cartoon network, I only have basic cabletv, yet I still knew what they were.
      didn't do it to get a reaction? - If they intended it to be mistaken for a bomb they would have made it look like a bomb. None of the other 10 or so cities that had identical campaigns over-reacted the way boston did because they had people with at least a modicum of critical thinking in charge.

      Of course every time something like this happens, it becomes more "normal", so the next "artist" has to come up with something more shocking to get the same amount of attention. And here is the root of your problem - you don't believe in freedom of expression. You are the type who kow-tows to it, but if someone isn't expressing "mom and apple pie" -- if its something that only those damn youngsters can appreciate -- then they have to accept the risk of going to jail for it.
    18. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where, pray tell, does that freedom of expression stop and civil responsibility begin? Does it stop at all? Is there even such a thing as responsibility any more?

      Could the first people to colonise the moon perhaps engrave the words "FUCK YOU" in large, friendly letters for us skygazers on Earth to behold?

    19. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could the first people to colonise the moon perhaps engrave the words "FUCK YOU" in large, friendly letters for us skygazers on Earth to behold? LoL! You couldn't be any less transparent with your hyperbole.

      Obviously the first people to colonise the moon did so to get away from the rampant bootlicking of people like you.
    20. Re:damnit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bootlicking? You don't know me at all. What the hell is wrong with you?

  3. It's a nice project, but... by megaditto · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a real shame they don't make LEDs that emit UV-C. Those would be much better at burning retinas and giving people skin cancer.

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    Obama likes poor people so much, he wants to make more of them.
    1. Re:It's a nice project, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "On the bright side, UVC lasers already exist."

      But the important question is how much better are UVC lasers for shark mounted applications than conventional lasers.

  4. Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by cjdavis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Doesn't UV cause cataracts?

    Ah yes, from the article:

    As a word of warning, the NCSU034A LEDs output over 300mW of UV light at 385nm! This is a LOT! What makes them especially dangerous is that the die is only a millimeter or two on a side, so the angular intensity of the light is extremely high. Do *NOT* turn these on in an environment where anyone can look directly at them. They are extremely dangerous to the eye, and you will have a *permanent* blind spot if you look directly at them. To make them safe, I used polyethylene plastic sandwiching a Luminit Holographic Light Shaping Diffuser (LSD... yeah, I know, they came up with the acronym first) an inch and a half away from the board to make the apparent source size over an inch in diameter. This decreases the angular intensity from the class 3b level to the class 1 level. I am not liable if you blind yourself by using these LEDs! Seriously, don't fuck around with these.

    Funny story that. Every time I tell an MIT student that the UV LEDs will permanently blind them if they remove the cover, the response is the same. First, they say "Really?", and then they attempt to look into the endcap. True story. Explains a lot, I think.
    1. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Goddamn it.. you beat me to it!

      pardon me while i prepare for my (-1) Redundant..

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      http://www.xkcd.com/354/
    2. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by cjdavis · · Score: 1

      Well, it appears megaditto beat me, but that's only because I was off looking for references, I swear.

    3. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by ardle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I got quite bad eye-burn from a UV spotlight (was standing about 2 metres from it for about 2 hours): not a nice experience.
      Didn't notice any effect until about the following evening (thought something was in my eye). I woke in the middle of that night with stabbing pains in my eyes. Next day, daylight hurt my eyes. I couldn't even look at the flame of a candle. Thankfully, eye ointment soothed it and the problem eased the next day (disappeared over the next two or three).
      Doctor couldn't figure out what had happned to me - I only figured it out (after the visit) cos the weather was cold and relief of cold breeze on my face made me realise I had got sunburnt!

    4. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by dattaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I brought a homemade 250mW laser to work one day. I warned everyone exactly what it could do. What is the FIRST thing each guy did? Try to aim it in each other's faces. True. Lights are like toys and turns people into kids. Get ready to grab it out of their hands.

    5. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I watched the video from the site and now I have three dead pixels in my left eye. Thanks a lot, Brian!

      You succeeded where Goatse failed.

    6. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is well known to anyone who've been skiing cross-country at the time of year when the sun gets stronger, especially if you are on large expanses of snow. Your retinas got sunburnt.
      In my language we call it "being sun-blinded". The symptoms are exactly as you describe them.
      I'm surprised that your physician didn't recognise them for what they were. On the other hand, there is no cure except for ointments that give relief, so he got that part right :)

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      Are you a grammar Nazi? I'm trying to improve my English; please correct my errors! :)
    7. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm missing something here, but what is the point of using UV leds? Is it not called Ultra Violet because its above the spectrum of visible light?

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    8. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I haven't read the article, but perhaps there are UV-reactive materials being lit up, which produces colours not normally available to the artist.

    9. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by lbk70 · · Score: 1

      The phenomenon from the last paragraph is perfectly illustrated here: http://www.xkcd.com/242/

    10. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      The paintings have fluorescent paint in them. It's pretty cool looking to have bright red light at the same time that your fluorescent paints are glowing -- very wild.

    11. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called snow blindness in English and it's not the retina that's sunburned (you can't put cream on a retina). It's the cornea and conjunctiva (the white part) which are burned. I've had a mild form and it was very uncomfortable and I'm extra careful now.

    12. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Translation+Error · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's even worse with a neuralizer. At least with a laser, they'll stop once they injure someone. With a neuralizer, you warn, "Remember what happened last time," and they just look at you blankly before setting it off again.

      P.S. Be really sure you don't forget to wear sunglasses when you bring one of these into work.

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      When someone says, "Any fool can see ..." they're usually exactly right.
    13. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by vestigialboy · · Score: 1

      Well, you do know what they say about scientists...

    14. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Cow+Jones · · Score: 1

      Thank you for this.
      You deserve better than (Score: 1).

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      Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari
    15. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by saskboy · · Score: 1

      Not much pisses me off more than a fool with a laser pointer thinking it's a toy. If blindness were a game, would the game end when someone gained an eye?

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    16. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Doggabone · · Score: 1

      Funny, yes! But Insightful? Maybe the modder forgot that neuralizers are fictitious devices. Perhaps he or she is the victim of a neuralizer episode. Maybe I've forgotten that they're real. In that case, maybe I'm the victim of ... oooh, pretty light! Lemme see, lemme see! ...

      I'm sorry, I've forgotten my point.

    17. Re:Don't forget to wear sunglasses. by Squalish · · Score: 1

      You cried wolf. Again. They don't know anything about luminous intensity, and the fact that you were packing something that strong never occurred to them.

      They've slapped dire warning labels on 0.1-5mw LEDs that are demonstrably safe to shine directly into your eye for so long, no layperson believes them anymore. Even at/above the upper end of that if you manage to cause serious damage, it's nearly indetectable because the eye compensates so well.

      If you want to warn someone that your machine can cause ocular explosions, burn a hole through some construction paper, or shine it at their hand for a while.

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      People in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned situation
  5. Art with LED by GregPK · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Mona Lisa is lit up with LED's Buckingham Palace is converting over to all LED lighting http://www.flickr.com/photos/lastboltnut/1466712839/. Many cities around the world are converting to LED lighting. It is really quite spectacular transformation of lighting in the world.

    I expect to see 90 percent of lighting changed over to LED lighting by 2015...

    1. Re:Art with LED by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      CFLs for indoors (and certain inclosed fixtures outdoors) will continue to be the norm in energy efficiency. Metal Halide light outdoors (available at Lowes, but not Home Depot, last I checked) make good outdoor driveway lights and the light with much better color rendering than the old sodium light and excellent energy efficiency as well. It would be nice to get LEDS, no doubt, but the lumens output and price just ain't there yet. Hopefully these type of developments will change that.

      While all the hoopla is around lighting these days, that only comprises about 10% of a houses electrical energy use these days, IIRC. So your max savings is 10% -- a good and worthy start but not enough. Many electrical devices are already operating at high efficiency (electrical motors for instance) so many appliances can't be improved. Other devices just need to be used less (washer, dishwasher) through conscientous use, and things like Computers just need to be set correctly for energy savings on the software level (or make sure things like Printers come with their own print server rather than have a computer act as one... sometimes it's good to get a router with a harddrive as well...

      But all this doesn't change the fact that most houses themselves are built to use way too much energy. Until that is solved, the other problems are at least orders of a magnitude smaller:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house

    2. Re:Art with LED by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      A lot [Like the Louvre, British Museum etc] seem to be converting to fiber optics as well. Creates a lovely fill, and also really nice overlapping umbras..

    3. Re:Art with LED by GregPK · · Score: 1

      http://www.leonardo-energy.org/drupal/node/809

      Article mentions this PDF http://www.netl.doe.gov/ssl/workshop/Report%20led%20November%202002a_1.pdf from the DOE that outlines LED technology Roadmap putting LEDs at the same price of CFL lighting by 2012. Currently, LED technology is already ahead of the roadmap. www.LEDSmagazine.com

      Also, in commercial spaces as it stands today. LED actually pays out in the long-term(5-10 years) when you factor in the cost of replacing the bulbs every few years. Even better, there is 0 mercury content in LED. Plus, LED is getting cheaper and cheaper every year when you calculate all the costs involved. Which leads to the idea that LED will pretty much replace 90 percent of lighting by 2012.

    4. Re:Art with LED by Peeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, speaking from the event production industry (lighting for theatre, film, concerts and conventions) I don't see it coming that quickly. There are ways for LEDs to take over this industry, but they all depend on some other technology or innovation happening first. LED based fixtures are starting to be used as a tool, but they are in their own category, not as a replacement for an already existing tool. The problems that LEDs have are their color rendering index, their lack of brightness and the inability to dim them via the equipment currently used in almost every theater and production company in the industry (dimmers, PARs and Ellipsoidals). Color rendering is being addressed in the same manner as this MIT student (Selador's x7 series uses 7 different color LEDs to expand their palette) and brightness is fast becoming a non-issue as 3 watt LEDs are becoming commonplace. But dimming is the deal breaker as the industry is saturated with SCR based dimmers that control a majority of the conventional lighting fixtures by way of dimming their main AC input.

      For LEDs to be viable, they would have to be able to replace the HPL lamp that is used by the defacto industry standard lighting fixtures: ETC's Source Four PARs and Ellipsoidals. These "conventional" lights plug into distribution cabling that goes directly back to a dimmer rack of some sort where the AC voltage is varied by way of using an SCR to chop the AC waveform at various points thus varying the voltage output and dimming the incandescent lamp. LEDs use DC power and are dimmed by flashing them on and off very quickly (at a constant voltage) and varying the amount of time that they are on versus off to create the illusion of dimming. If you were to put an LED controller onto a dimmed AC circuit, it would fry the controller much the same way that an electric motor would get fried if it were on a dimmed circuit. Sine Wave dimming (new technology) may change this, but that needs to happen first and LEDs second.

      There other ins for LEDs to take over this industry. The other half of the lighting industry (seen more in concerts and conventions and less in theatre and film) is moving lights. They mostly use arc based light sources and are dimmed by way of a motorized shutter blocking the light coming out of the fixture. The power input for these types of fixtures is then run separately straight from the power source and not from a dimmer (just like current LED fixtures). They are very bright and have a slightly colder color temperature and lower color rendering index (also similar to LED fixtures). LEDs would be a perfect fit for moving lights and it is only a matter of time before we see new fixtures being developed with clusters of LEDs powering them rather than an arc lamp. The only problem with this is that it is hard to make optics that will still focus sharp with a source that has multiple points of origination.

      The final point I will make addresses this problem, I believe. Once you start seeing high powered video projectors running off of LEDs rather than arc lamps (as most are now) then there will be no excuse for LEDs not to take hold of the lighting industry as we are also experiencing another revolution where traditional moving lights whose beams are shaped and colored by metal patterns and glass color filters that are mechanically placed in front of the beam inside the fixture are being replaced by essentially video projectors on moving yokes that project all of the colors and patterns by way of a computer video output. Once video projectors have been taken over by LEDs, THEN I predict, at least in this industry, we will start to see some tool replacement rather than just toolbox supplement.

    5. Re:Art with LED by vertigoCiel · · Score: 1

      I expect to see 90 percent of lighting changed over to LED lighting by 2015... I don't. In commercial and public settings, maybe. Not in homes, though. People are too used to the way incandescent bulbs look. A room feels very different when lit by a white LED instead of the yellowish tone of incandescents - and not in a good way.
    6. Re:Art with LED by GregPK · · Score: 1

      This is already been addressed. You can order LED lighting in pretty much the same color as your standard incandescent at 2700k or 3100k. It's not going to be as efficient as a white would be. But, inside people are more comfortable with the standard yellowish colors and it makes sense.

    7. Re:Art with LED by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Six years ago people in my city struggled with the same issue when presented with new-fangled CF technology. Then power prices went up, CF technology improved and bulb prices came down.

      Now everyone has them and incandescents are a novelty, not the norm.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    8. Re:Art with LED by GregPK · · Score: 1

      CRI is pretty much a non-issue already. See Mona Lisa... They use a mix of LED colors to get whatever color they want. They can actually get a higher color rendering index than incandescent with LED lighting. Without the Fading, and Infrared that standard lighting setups put out.

      As for the dimming effect I think you could possibly put an LCD over the LED and dim it out with that connected to a controller to output whatever pattern or color you want.

      I don't really see production lighting as all that expensive to operate as far as power goes. So using LED on a cost basis isn't really going to pay out there until you see daily usage of 12 to 6 hours a day.

      Incandescent bulbs will still have some commonplaces settings perhaps stage lighting is one of them...

    9. Re:Art with LED by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Moving lights are used loads in concerts and nightclubs in London (UK). About the only place I can think of that doesn't have any has a really low ceiling (as in, "don't jump!" low). I don't pay much attention, but places like the couple of student union clubs I go to have almost entirely this lighting, with larger venues having maybe half their lights of the standard type.

      I've seen LED lights used a little at at small venues and at really large concerts, but not at anything in between. I was told that a particularly awesome one cost £6000, which was why the student union was merely renting some for the night (the last day of term). I wasn't impressed with the ones used at some smaller venues -- they were set to flash and it was distracting, since there was no fading (presumably on the cheap light used). At large concerts they tend to be there for colour and show, and proportionally don't provide much background light, so flashing isn't a problem.

      They're loved at non-mainstream clubs where a lot of people are probably on E, where the intensity and the way they can flash is really appreciated :-). So are lasers, they must have become a lot cheaper since I've seen a few recently.

    10. Re:Art with LED by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I dunno... for the Lord of the Rings play at a theatre in the West End, London (UK) they had to put generators outside the back of the building to provide extra power for the lighting effects required -- the normal (for a theatre) power wasn't sufficient! Since a house here gets a maximum of 11-22kW (50-100A×230V) and I expect a theatre gets a fair chunk more than that, that's a decent expense. Worth reducing, anyway.

      P.S. sometimes I go to a nightclub at a weekend and stay for longer than I was at work on Friday. 22:00 until 07:30 the next day, for instance. Of course, the lighting saves heating costs!

    11. Re:Art with LED by Alioth · · Score: 1

      I'd be surprised. Sodium lights are still by far the most efficient light source we have - so far ahead of semiconductor lights in efficiency, it's not even funny. LEDs have a long way to go to match the brightness and efficiency of sodium street lighting.

    12. Re:Art with LED by Amouth · · Score: 1

      i use alot of incadescent lights.. but that is because almost every light i have is on a dimmer.. once they can get CPF's working right on dimmers then i will be happey to use them all the time.

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      '...if only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.'
    13. Re:Art with LED by Peeet · · Score: 1

      CRI is pretty much a non-issue already. See Mona Lisa... They use a mix of LED colors to get whatever color they want. They can actually get a higher color rendering index than incandescent with LED lighting. Without the Fading, and Infrared that standard lighting setups put out.

      This is true, but multiple LEDs makes for a very spikey spectral graph whereas a single incandescent is much smoother even if it does smoothly extend down into the heat producing range, which no one in the theatre likes, but I would imagine the museum picked the specific LED colors that rendered the colors in those particular paintings the best. Theatre will be the real resistance to switching from incandescent lighting because you need to have a light that will work equally in a vast variety of situations, or more realistically, mimicking the properties of an incandescent due to the fact that the entire theatrical lighting industry has built up around the 3500K incandescent light that red shifts as it dims. Designers, whom are traditionally very picky about their colors, would need to relearn their specific style of using color as right now it is dominated by the gel manufacturers - Rosco, Lee and GAM - who make transparent colored plastic sheets that are placed in front of incandescent fixtures to change their color. There are literally thousands of different variations of color from each manufacturer and designers are so picky about what is used, some will refuse to substitute colors from one manufacturer for another, even if they are pretty much indistinguishable.

      As for the dimming effect I think you could possibly put an LCD over the LED and dim it out with that connected to a controller to output whatever pattern or color you want.

      That still doesn't solve the problem of being able to dim the LED cluster by varying the AC voltage being input into the LED's AC / DC transformer / controller. That is actually a more complicated method than the current method of dimming (high frequency "gating") and while it might provide a better dimming curve, it is still depending on a lot more stuff that can break down. Also due to the fact that it is relying on a system that is constantly flashing or refreshing, it poses problems with video recording. We already have such problems with current LED fixtures showing up as strobing on camera due to frequency resonation. Control is not an issue as current LED fixtures already use the same control protocol (DMX512) that moving lights and other effects use.

      I don't really see production lighting as all that expensive to operate as far as power goes. So using LED on a cost basis isn't really going to pay out there until you see daily usage of 12 to 6 hours a day.

      The energy savings would be substantial. And theatre techs don't even care about the tree saving kind of energy saving as much as the distribution planning that it would simplify. Permanent installs have cicuits running all over the theatre already but you still need a hefty cable run to each light to power it (sometimes 6 are combined into one really hefty multi-cable for minimally increased convenience) and you still have to do the math to make sure you aren't overloading individual circuits (20 amps each) or your main service (averaging around 400 amps per leg / 1200 total). Each light currently uses 575 watts of power, and that is considered a great boost of efficiency compared to the older Altman lights which some theatres still use (750w for the same brightness output).

      Incandescent bulbs will still have some commonplaces settings perhaps stage lighting is one of them...

      Theatrical stage lighting (Musical Theatre, Opera, Drama and Dance) will definitely be the last holdouts to switching to LED lighting (or some other source) but I think the "industrial" lighting sector will lead the way. We are already seeing much usage in corporate co

    14. Re:Art with LED by kesuki · · Score: 1

      LEDs are good for the environment in many ways... for one thing they've been catching on as 'Christmas lights' for decoration use the plus side, they can blink a trillion times and never burn out. the downside, you need more sophisticated controls to make sure people can see the blinking. this will undoubtedly save a lot of 'wasted' resource by allowing Christmas decorations to be used for decades, instead of fiddling with bulbs every year to find the shorted ones, or 'just buying new ones' to avoid that hassle.

      If the DOE expects them to provide almost 3x the light per watt vs CFL they really really will be the way to go for most consumer lighting. on the plus side, the little ones can play with the light switch until they have carpel tunnel, and LED bulbs will Never burn out from being switched on and off. Myth busters was unable to design a rig that would cause LEDs to burn out, so you Know they'll be good for the environment.

    15. Re:Art with LED by toocooleds · · Score: 1

      If you mean those sickly-yellow Low Pressure Sodium streetlights that are becoming increasingly hard to find because they look so awful, that would be technically true at around 200 lumens per watt. But if you are referring to the FAR more common High Pressure Sodium streetlights, you are way off the mark, or perhaps more correctly you are out of date in a fast-moving field. HPS lamps put out about 100-150 lm/W when they're new. All of the major white LED manufacturers have demonstrated >100 lumens per watt in the lab, and some have been independently verified at >140 lm/W. Every previous advance in the high power LED technology has hit the market within 2 years. Many experts agree that 200 lm/W is theoretically achievable for white LEDs, and the most recent claims for quantum dot phosphors driven by LEDs are already pushing 200 lm/W. Hardly what I'd call far behind. If the quantum dot thing is verified, then what you say is simply wrong all around. Some cities have already started installing LED streetlights on an experimental basis. Where comparable brightness is called for, you simply put more LEDs in the fixture. Do any art galleries even use HPS lighting? The color rendering is poor, and they're a poor substitute for other lights if you want white to look like white instead of yellow. Oh, and HPS lights last 1/2 - 1/4 as long, are fragile and hot, have limited form factors, and they contain mercury. Raw efficiency isn't the whole story here.

  6. From the article.. by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

    Every time I tell an MIT student that the UV LEDs will permanently blind them if they remove the cover, the response is the same. First, they say "Really?", and then they attempt to look into the endcap. True story. Explains a lot, I think.
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  7. Art? by unbug · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to the difference between art and design?

    1. Re:Art? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's the usual - outsiders desperately trying to get the coveted label of 'artist' even though most of them will spend their careers designing circuit boards or some other banal horror. Let's just say that this student won't be getting profiled in The New Yorker anytime soon.

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    2. Re:Art? by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      The LEDs aren't the art, they're merely providing an interesting new media for the artist.

  8. Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I haven't read the whole article, but anything having to do with LED technology is interesting to me. It's interesting, though, that the author doesn't seem to understand color mixing in pigment vs. light.

    He says-
    "You mix red paint and green light, you get what appears to be yellow light."

    That's not true. If you mix red LIGHT and green light, you get what looks like yellow light. If you shine green light on red paint you get a ugly dark mess. The red paint doesn't reflect the green light very well- the reason it's red is because it reflects the red portion of the spectrum. So, when you light it with green, the light that's reflected off the red is not going to be very intense, it certainly won't be yellow.

    Also important is the fact that green is a primary color in light, while yellow is a primary color in pigment. If you shine green light on yellow paint, you'll actually reflect a lot of green, and if you shine yellow light on green paint it'll also (you guessed it) reflect lots of green.

    I think it's interesting that he's finding out how the horrible color rendition capabilities of LED's can be used to one's advantage, but I don't know if he really understands all the theory involved...

    1. Re:Fascinating by batkiwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      He gets it but just has a bit of a typo. If you read the rest of that paragraph it's obvious he meant "You mix red light and green light, you get what appears to be yellow light."

      I say this because he later remarks on:
      -"You may think you're seeing yellow light, but the fact is that you are seeing independent red and green light, and your brain is converting that information into the appearance of yellow"
      -pointing a "yellow" LED at "yellow" paint (black!!)
      -pointing an "orange" LED at "orange" paint made by mixing yellow and red paints (red!!)
      etc

      Don't crucify him for just one word mixed up.

    2. Re:Fascinating by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, he does have pictures.  Did you look at them?

    3. Re:Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I looked at the pictures, and as far as I could tell they outright contradicted some of the things he was saying. He claimed that the mixed yellow light of the LED's (a red LED with a Green LED) would make yellow pigment turn black, but if you look at the yellow illuminated image you can see that's not the case..

      A lot of the stuff this fellow was saying about color mixing and perception just seemed a bit off. The electronics are cool, but I'd look elsewhere for an explanation of the optics involved.

    4. Re:Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 1, Informative

      I didn't see a picture of the yellow LED pointed at yellow paint, but I'd wager money that you would end up with yellow, not black. Yellow pigment reflects wavelengths in the red and green parts of the spectrum. You'd have to make some sort of crazy dichroic to only reflect back a specific band of yellow, and I don't think that's what this guy was talking about.

      Basically, I don't think it's just a typo. I think he's got a basic understanding of color mixing, but he's trying to explain beyond what he really knows.. hence mistakes like mixing up light vs. pigment, or saying that yellow pigment looks black under yellow light.

    5. Re:Fascinating by Immerial · · Score: 1

      Don't crucify him for just one word mixed up.

      Uh, have you read comments on slashdot much? Duh. :)

    6. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Nah, djiwhatsit is right, I was wrong. Yellow pigment absorbs blue light strongly, so it should reflect both green and red fairly well and appear yellow. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll correct it and try to come up with a better way to explain it to a relatively non-technical audience. Examples with this sort of thing are fairly hard to come by, and will take some time to fine tune.

      The idea I was trying to get across is that dichromates do not appear as you would expect when they are shone on absorbing paints, and that if you mix paints together, you can very frequently just get flat out ugly results. I didn't put up any movies of the paint splotch examples, but in the case of red and yellow paint mixed together to make orange, it *definitely* only appears red when both red and green lights are on =) Experimental evidence! But yes, the theoretical foundation should be clarified some more.

      I think a much better example would be green paint. Green paint should absorb strongly both blue and red light. So, if you shine dichromatic red+green=yellow light on that green paint, it will appear to be green only. The effect that many non-technical people would expect is that if "yellow" light is shining on the green paint, it will appear dark -- this is the misconception that I'm trying to correct.

    7. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I take it back. You're right as long as your primary absorbing colors are only Red, Cyan, and Yellow. It really boils down to the absorption spectra of the pigment materials. If I have a pigment that is a "true" yellow (reflects in the yellow, absorbs everywhere else -- including red, green, and blue), than it will absolutely appear to be black if you shine red+green LED light on it. You had me confused for a second, but I see where the misunderstanding is now. This is the entire reason we had to spend so much time finding pigments that were more than just mixtures of the primary colors.

      I'll clarify the theory section to try to make this more clear.

    8. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I put up what I think is a clearer explanation of what is going on. Please let me know if it addresses your confusions.

    9. Re:Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 1

      I think it's highly unlikely that you'll find too many "true" reflectors of yellow without getting into dichroics..

      But, then again, I'd love to be proven wrong. It's an interesting subject.

    10. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I should type up the list we found of good pigments. Yellow and green were by far the hardest to find good monochromatic reflectors in. Almost all of the greens were dichromic, and the yellows just turned out dull and flat.

    11. Re:Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Well, it makes sense- green in pigment is usually a mix of yellow and blue pigments.

      What kinds of pigments are you using? Are we talking about acrylic paint from the art store, or something more lighting-specific?

    12. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      We purchased a wide variety of high-end pigments -- http://www.goldenpaints.com/ was one we looked at a lot. The biggest challenge was finding paints that had only one pigment. I actually asked most of the big paint supply companies for absorption spectra for their paints, but none of them ever replied to my messages. I suspect that their salespeople don't even know what an absorption spectra is...

      So the goal was to take the acrylic-style paints you'd find in an art store, and find the ones which were actually fairly close to being monochromates. I toyed briefly with the idea of synthesizing my own pigments (since I'm a material scientist and all), but I decided that it would be too expensive and difficult to reproduce.

      The purpose of the first prototype "Color Flower" was actually to act as a poor-man's spectrophotometer. I'd turn on one color only at a time, and see what the intensity of the reflection was -- it wasn't great, but it gave me a decent picture of the absorption spectra at the points that really mattered (and cost $100 instead of however much a real spectrophotometer is).

    13. Re:Fascinating by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Did you happen to contact Rosco about their paint lines? Considering that Rosco makes color filters for lighting, I bet they're more apt to have technical data about absorption for their paints. If you tell them you're experimenting with how different paints react to LED light, they might even get excited, since LED's are becoming more popular for theatrical applications.

      http://www.rosco.com/us/index.asp

      They don't have as much information about their paints online as the place you linked, but I'm sure you'd at least be able to talk to somebody there who knows about absorption spectra.

    14. Re:Fascinating by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I haven't talked to Rosco, I will give them an email.

      By the way, I've *substantially* reworked the theory section to better address the confusions which arose in the various slashdot discussions; I added a very large amount of more basic information instead of trying to compress it so much. You should take a look and tell me if you like it. Feel free to email me as well at neltnerb@mit.edu, I feel sort of silly posting comments on a week old slashdot article.

  9. of course, you won't be able to see... by ThinkOfaNumber · · Score: 1

    the results properly on your plain old RGB monitor / LCD.

  10. Meh by timeOday · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the big deal with this "can't be reproduced by a normal RGB cluster"? All the colors in the screenshots look pretty normal to me, nothing out of the regular gamut. Just like all these suckers and their (so-called) "high-def" TVs, which I've seen in many commercials yet none showing a better picture than the fine Trinitron I already have. Nothing to see here...

    1. Re:Meh by Scaba · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing you're trying to be funny? Don't think you're having much success...

    2. Re:Meh by LunarCrisis · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the big deal with this "can't be reproduced by a normal RGB cluster"? All the colors in the screenshots look pretty normal to me, nothing out of the regular gamut. Damn, I followed this article's link from my feed reader to make that very joke, but now that I'm here I see that you've already done a fine job of bungling it...
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    3. Re:Meh by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      For those of you who don't get the joke, JPEGs (standard ones, at least) use RGB color mixing, along with your monitor, so it won't look any different to you.

      That said, this "discovery" is hardly a new one, as the professional lighting industry use CMY subtractive color mixing almost exclusively. When you're layering multiple gels on top of each other, only subtractive color models work properly.

      However, since this guy is using additive mixing (eg. a discrete light source for each color), his choice of CMY color mixing is counterintuitive. If anything, his gamut is going to be *less* than an RGB array. Since art is subjective, I'm going to refrain from calling it wrong, but you'd never see a professional lighting designer mixing colors this way.

      These fixtures are also hilariously commonplace these days, and cost a lot less than the $1500 quoted in the article. Things can get a bit or a good deal fancier, depending upon how much you want to spend. Lo and behold, LED PARs do indeed use RGB mixing, whilst others use CMYK mixing, which also conveniently eliminates the need for dimming hardware in some cases.

      I don't want to knock the project in any way, because it's damn impressive that an undergrad designed and constructed it on his own. However, things might have gone a bit better if he'd taken a trip down to the theatre or art departments before taking on the project.

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  11. At a music festival in australia this year.. by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

    There was an LED art installation. It consisted of pretty large array of rgb leds arranged into cube. The LEDs were housed in what looked like ping pong balls or something to this effect. The effects it could produce were phenomenal. The switching was obviously extremely configurable as they were able to amazing shows. Imagine seeing shapes created by these leds moving in any directions (migrating to different leds obviously), changing colours etc. Could only find this video of it. Would have been better to have taken it a bit further away. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FGNQDpJdl14

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    1. Re:At a music festival in australia this year.. by djlemma · · Score: 1

      See, that reads more to me as "LED Art" than what the author of the article was trying to do. Basically, the article was just explaining how to build your own version of a readily available type of luminaire. The only thing he seems to think is innovative about his is the inclusion of high-power UV LED's. Well, that's cool, and I hope ColorKinetics (or some other manufacturer of LED lighting) picks up on that idea if they haven't already.. but there's really nothing particularly artistic about the project. It's still cool, though.

    2. Re:At a music festival in australia this year.. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I love that piece, they had it set up at burning man this last year too. It really was stunning. I also agree that it's more appropriately called "LED Art" than what we did... the artistic part of what we did wasn't building the light, it was the paintings we made to work with it. Most mixed-media artists don't have the EE expertise to do it on their own, and I sure don't have the painting expertise to do it on my own. The goal of this article is to eventually create a howto so that artists will know exactly what paints to buy to work well with particular LED colors, techniques they can use to make neat effects, with examples. I'd call what we did "LED+Art" instead of LED Art, but I guess that's what happens on translation.

  12. lights for photographers? by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    A very, very cool project. I wonder if a similar project could produce colored lighting for artistic photography. Heh, by the scan of the schematic, it looks like he's using EAGLE for his PCB design. EAGLE is a very good program.

    1. Re:lights for photographers? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      For artistic photography, unless there's some major reason why you need the narrow band of light created by LED's, you're going to be better off using regular old gels to change the colors of your lights. To get enough intensity with LED's to match a studio strobe, you'd spend a small fortune. Gels cost $5 for a 21"x24" sheet, and there are literally thousands of colors to choose from, and you can use them with any photographic light source.

    2. Re:lights for photographers? by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      I use led sources to paint my scenes all the time - but I am shooting night photography, so it's a fairly specific application.

    3. Re:lights for photographers? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      Oh, that sounds cool.. I can see how it would be advantageous to have something small with strong battery life, like an LED maglite or something.

      Are any of your images viewable online? Flickr?

    4. Re:lights for photographers? by Technician · · Score: 1

      you're going to be better off using regular old gels to change the colors of your lights.

      That used to be true. Many LED fixtures now provide as much light as filtered PAR lights. As a bonus, there is no IR and UV contamination. Gel's tend to be fairly wide in their response, so some artistic shots with very saturated colors can't beat LED fixtures for rich color. For example, take the original story and look at the red/green room. Conventional gel's can't produce that stunning color. Good effects can be had with off the shelf DMX 512 LED wash lights. Controllers are getting dirt cheap with many under $150 that can control a dozen multi-channel RGB fixtures.

      http://www.music123.com/Chauvet-DMX-40B-DMX-512-Controller-801517-i1176897.Music123?source=ZWWRWXGB

      Here is a 6pack of PAR RGB LED fixtures for under $100 each.
      http://cgi.ebay.com/6-x-LED-RGB-Par-CANS-DMX-Oboard-1300-Lux-15m-0S-H_W0QQitemZ300207441774QQihZ020QQcategoryZ29944QQcmdZViewItem

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    5. Re:lights for photographers? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      "Conventional gel's can't produce that stunning color."
      Of course they can! Easily!

      Maybe you aren't buying the right gels.. And that pack of LED fixtures you linked is VERY dim compared to, say, a standard theatrical lighting fixture. If you look at the chart, it's rated at 66 lux at 5M.. whereas, say, an ETC source4 26 degree is rated at 7050 lux at the same distance. A PAR64 MFL would be about 5000 at that distance.

      Granted, that's comparing unfiltered conventionals to the LED's attempting to mix white, but we're talking about two orders of magnitude difference.

    6. Re:lights for photographers? by Technician · · Score: 1

      And that pack of LED fixtures you linked is VERY dim compared to, say, a standard theatrical lighting fixture.

      True, but, because my link didn't include high lux stuff, don't take it as it doesn't exist.

      The brighter stuff is a little more money.

      http://trinorthlighting.com/Store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94&products_id=209&zenid=2a8a1cf1566b956af5a7df6bf5b92f23
      "at 3 feet this can produces 10,530 lux, at 15 feet this can produces 864 lux."

      Here is a quote from a user;
      "This par can is 10 times brighter than their traditional par can. It works great for long distances, also it is a 6 channel light with built in color scroll. The white light has also improved with the RGB mixing and there is no more pale grey!"

      I remember the days when LED's were only good for digital watches, calculators and indicator lights because they would never be bright enough for anything else. Don't be too stuck on yesterday's tech. Tech moves on.

      They look great as a replacement for outdoor floodlights. They might not replace your 750 to 1,000 watt PAR 64's, but they will replace the smaller PAR lamps with no problem and have full DMX control.
      http://trinorthlighting.com/Store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94&products_id=1073
      Here is 1,800 Lumens for you. Bring your checkbook.
      PDF info... http://www.svlighting.com/support/pdf/Brochures/SAVIPowerFlood100_brochure.pdf

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    7. Re:lights for photographers? by djlemma · · Score: 1

      "at 3 feet this can produces 10,530 lux, at 15 feet this can produces 864 lux."

      That's STILL nothing compared to a traditional PAR64.
      They're also mixing metric and imperial units, but- pretend 15 feet is about 5 meters.
      864 lux * 5m *5m = 21600 candela
      A PAR64 MFL is about 125,000 candela. Still an order of magnitude brighter...

      Now, I'm not going to say that my $60 par64 can is BETTER than that $600 LED can, but in brightness it's tough to beat. Obviously the LED's win out on MANY other things- efficiency, power consumption, heat, ability to do color mixing built in, lamp life, etc etc...

      As for the high lumen fixture, I don't have lumen data for my favorite PAR can.. but the online conversion utility said it's somewhere around 7,000 lumens. I could be wrong, the beam angle of a traditional PAR is a bit tricky to put into a simple conversion utility.. Anyway, the really expensive stuff is getting closer, but it's still not there. Of course, that 1800 lumen monster might be able to punch out saturated colors a lot better than the incandescent PAR, since you lose something like 90% of the output if you put a primary color filter on..

  13. Not first MIT artwork on display by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Didn't some MIT idiot pushed her way past aitport security with LED-lightwork and an exposed circuit board less than a year ago? I'm too lazy to google it (I'm can't be bothered to fact check when posting to /.), but the incident stands out in memory.

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    1. Re:Not first MIT artwork on display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Didn't some MIT idiot pushed her way past aitport security with LED-lightwork and an exposed circuit board less than a year ago? No.

      I'm too lazy to google it (I'm can't be bothered to fact check when posting to /.), Clearly.

      but the incident stands out in memory. Perhaps, if the rest your brain was sufficiently camouflaged.
    2. Re:Not first MIT artwork on display by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      But it's OK if you could't be bothered to check the facts :) That's why I'm here.
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    3. Re:Not first MIT artwork on display by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      > Perhaps, if the rest your brain was sufficiently camouflaged.

      That's funny, I am going to overuse that. And don't call me clearly.

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  14. Places to buy indoor LED lighting? by Dogun · · Score: 1

    The pic with the 2-tone room (red half, green half) makes me want to convert mine. Anyone know where people can buy colored LED lighting for @home, indoor application? I've not had a lot of success searching in the past.

    1. Re:Places to buy indoor LED lighting? by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Color Kinetics (now Phillips) is the standard for RGB lighting fixtures. They're just expensive. If you want to buy the lights I made in the article, I'm up for making some custom fixtures that are a bit nicer on the hardware end than the CK ones, but not quite as polished from a software standpoint. Certainly they'd work fine for just cycling through the rainbow in circles endlessly, and I'm setting it up to be designed for permanent installations (a hole in the back to just mount the light on a wall). Send me an email if you're interested - neltnerb@mit.edu, and we can talk about details.

  15. Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wouldn't use his PCB designs. Goodness, there are 90 degree trace turns everywhere and no copper fills. Makes me dizzy looking at it. Oh well.

    1. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      The PCBs are pretty horrible, but not for those reasons.

      Pads for through-hole IC and connectors have multiple places where a trace leaves the pad at a wrong angle, continues toward the nearest pad on the same connector, then turns away from it into direction where it was supposed to go in the first place. In addition to looking sloppy, this increases the probability of solder bridges and overheating, especially if the board is assembled manually or repaired. Many traces going to those pads look so sloppily drawn, I have no idea how to achieve such an effect with any modern PCB design software (and my idea of "modern" starts at http://pcb.sourceforge.net/ ).

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    2. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...90 degree trace turns..."

      OMG!

      Really, 90 degree trace turns?

      Everyone knows that electrons can't turn sharp corners.

      Those scientistic guyz sure don't know nothin', do they?

    3. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Alioth · · Score: 1

      I think that PCB is better than Eagle, the truth be known. It's likely he just autorouted the tracks as well. The Eagle autorouter doesn't have a good reputation.

      It looks like his boards have solder mask on them, so the chances for briges are probably pretty low.

      In all probability, it may be one of the first PCBs he's done. My first PCBs looked pretty bad too. They were also hand etched, which soon teaches you about copper fills and routing traces for easy solderability.

    4. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Slightly off topic, but I just found KiCad which I find miles ahead of either PCB or Eagle. The learning curve is a little steep (and the software was originally French, translated to English), but if you take a half hour and follow through a tutorial (I used http://www.kicadlib.org/Fichiers/KiCad_Tutorial.pdf which worked well for me), you can see how simple it really is.

      I am in no way related to this project, but am just a very satisfied user.

    5. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I've never had the slightest problem before with assembling my boards. I'm usually too busy to spend lots of time on routing traces by hand, so I just carefully place components, let Eagle handle the autorouting, and clean up the worst of its mistakes. When someone starts paying me to design electronics full time, I'll worry more about aesthetic details that don't seriously change the functionality of the devices.

    6. Re:Cool but PCB design work could use some help by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      This board isn't complex or repetitive enough to require autorouting, so for a project like this I would rather do everything by hand.

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  16. Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Theory

    The first step of the project was to understand the underlying physics behind LED based artwork. Fundamentally, the eyes are a very odd sensing system. The ears do a frequency based analysis of incoming pressure waves, and report all of the dominant frequencies to the brain for interpretation --- if we hear two frequencies of different pitches, they sound distinct. This isn't quite as true when you talk about harmonics of sounds, as they will start to affect the timbre instead of sounding as a distinct pitch, but the basic idea is that we can pick out independent sounds with different pitches fairly easily.

    The eyes, on the other hand, do spatial and frequency-based sensing; however, they throw away much of the information about the specific frequencies detected. For instance, if you look at any particular spot, you will see a single color -- not a spectral map of the complete visible spectrum coming from that point. This is great for the purposes of vision; it would be rather difficult, I think, to walk around while receiving that much information. However, this means that the eye behaves very strangely in the presence of multiple colors from the same location.

    The classical example of this effect is the color wheel. You mix red paint and green light, you get what appears to be yellow light. But how is this possible? If yellow is a frequency of light, how does mixing red (620nm) and green (530nm) produce yellow (590nm) light? There is certainly no physical process that does this sort of mixing in general.

    In fact, the idea that red and green combine to form yellow is a trick of the mind only. You may think you're seeing yellow light, but the fact is that you are seeing independent red and green light, and your brain is converting that information into the appearance of yellow! Very strange. So, this can explain how a RGB cluster of LEDs can produce most colors of light -- they aren't actually producing those other frequencies of light; instead they are tricking the eyes into thinking that they are producing those other frequencies of light. This trick is summed up in the Chromaticity Diagram (pulled from wikipedia). On this diagram, pure frequencies are displayed along the outer border from 460 to 700nm. As you mix two colors together, you draw a line between their positions on the border, and the ratio of the two tells you the position in the diagram that your apparent color lies. For example, if you combine 520nm green light with 620nm red light in a 50-50 ratio, you will have what appears to be yellow light. Likewise, if you have 620nm red light and 490nm cyan light in a 50-50 ratio, you will have what appears to be approximately white light.

    I have never seen a worse explanation of color vision.

    It would be sufficient to say this:

    Human eyes' colored light sensors cover wide ranges of wavelengths with maximums at red, white and blue, so they can easily see colors of mixed paints (also wide ranges of wavelengths with multiple maximums) and have those colors imitated by LED screens and lights (three very NARROW ranges of frequencies near the maximums of eye sensors' sensitivity) however mixing the two (light from three narrow-band sources is reflected by wide-band paint, then seen by three types of wide-band sensors) produces distorted results because paint's reflectivity of wavelengths outside the lights' narrow bands does not contribute to the impression.

    A paint with one of the narrow maximums at, say, cyan, will appear the same as paint without such a maximum if illuminated by a LED light that produces nothing in cyan range where the maximum is present. It's important to mention that in a photo taken under natural light and displayed on a LED screen, paints' colors will appear perfectly normal. This happens because light and camera's sensors cover approximately the same ranges as human eyes' sensors, so for the area covered with paint that has cyan maximum, screen would produce more green and blue light to imitate the impression on

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    1. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Hiya, I like the way you explain the behaviour of the light, and if you give me permission, would like to adapt parts of your explanation to improve the theory section of the page. I'm trying my best to explain this so that someone with about the level of understanding of "light has a frequency" will at least sort of grasp the idea. Someone else mentioned that my understanding of RGB additive synthesis versus subtractive synthesis of colors is wrong, so I'll be rereading the chapter from Feynman's book on color vision again anyway to try to make it clearer. I've thought about it a lot over the last few years, but I fully acknowledge that there are some holes in my model of how the whole thing comes together. In particular, this one bugs me. Why does red + blue look similar to purple? After a lot of training, I can distinguish between the two (now, magenta really looks like red+blue to me). However, it seems bizarre that a CCD can capture the color purple at all. It's certainly not actually emitting purple light, so it must somehow be converting the purple frequencies of light coming from, say, a flower, into magenta. How on earth would this happen? I can grant that a purple light would excite the blue pixels in a CCD, but it's hard to swallow that they'd magically also excite the red pixels in the appropriate proportion. I feel like if I got an explanation of this, everything else would fall into place. -Brian

    2. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His description is perfectly adequate. He contrasts how your ears really do detect the intensities of each frequency, rather than say just detecting low, medium, and high frequencies, then figuring intermediate ones by how much they trigger the two nearby detectors. He then explains how looking at red and green emitted at the same location will result in you seeing the same thing you'd see if you saw true yellow light, which is an important point that is not often covered. That explains why he can have just three (or four) LEDS and yet produce an almost infinite apparent spectrum of colors. Your description, on the other hand, is incoherent and not nearly as accessible.

    3. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by AlpineR · · Score: 1

      His explanation is fine. The key point is that light is really a spectrum which means it has an intensity at each of countless frequencies. The human eye has three (or four) sensors that respond to some subset of those frequencies. The result is that the thousands of scalar values describing a spectrum are boiled down to three scalar values by the eye.

      As a consequence, the stimulation of the eye resulting from any spectrum can be mimicked by any other spectrum that stimulates those three sensors in the same way. For simplicity, televisions, computer monitors, digital cameras, and LED light fixtures use just three narrow frequency emitters to stimulate those three sensors.

      The problem is that a colored surface also has an absorption spectrum of countless frequencies. You can tune an LED fixture to appear the same as a flat white fixture, but when those two lights reflect off a surface then the illusion could be destroyed.

      The traditional model of painting is to assume that the paint will be viewed under the same lighting conditions as it was applied. That wasn't a bad assumption when most light sources were some broadly spread spectrum, but it could fail horribly with modern light sources. Do not use LED fixtures if you are creating or displaying conventional art!

      But the student's reaction is to exploit this spectrum interaction as an art itself. So you can either be aware of the implications of LED fixtures or use them for intentional light play.

    4. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      I'm very confused as to why you got modded -1, but thanks for the explanation of the saturation. I'm still confused as to how a CCD seems to be able to take violet and magically interpret it as magenta -- is there special software that does this somehow? I know that when I use real violet LEDs, they frequently look blue in the CCD; perhaps most of the "purple" flowers we see are actually magenta?

      Neat work by Bruce, my personal inspiration was a good friend of mine: http://sub-zero.mit.edu/fbyte/ledart/

    5. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      if you give me permission, would like to adapt parts of your explanation to improve the theory section of the page. Go ahead -- I hope, it will be useful.

      Why does red + blue look similar to purple? After a lot of training, I can distinguish between the two (now, magenta really looks like red+blue to me). However, it seems bizarre that a CCD can capture the color purple at all. It's certainly not actually emitting purple light, so it must somehow be converting the purple frequencies of light coming from, say, a flower, into magenta. How on earth would this happen? I can grant that a purple light would excite the blue pixels in a CCD, but it's hard to swallow that they'd magically also excite the red pixels in the appropriate proportion. I feel like if I got an explanation of this, everything else would fall into place. Violet (spectral) is perceived to be similar to purple (red + blue) because "green" receptors sensitivity drops faster than "red" receptors sensitivity in the blue-violet range. "Blue" receptors have maximum sensitivity closer to a violet (420nm), and their sensitivity is overall lower than other receptors. So absence of green with red and blue present produces various shades of blue or violet. Blue LED light that we correctly perceive as spectral blue is seen by both "blue" (near maximum) and "red" (far from maximum but nonzero) but not "green" (nearly zero on their curve) receptors.
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    6. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      He contrasts how your ears really do detect the intensities of each frequency, rather than say just detecting low, medium, and high frequencies, then figuring intermediate ones by how much they trigger the two nearby detectors. That's like comparing driving a car to having a headache -- two completely unrelated things.
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    7. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Hey Gibbs, I was thinking about Kevin when I saw this article. A few years ago the guys at TEP made a tribute page to him (personal stories and stuff), but last time I looked it was down. I emailed them but got no reply. I don't think I have the URL any longer. Do you know if the page is still up and what the URL is? Could you drop me an email? I don't have contact with any of those guys since I live in Baltimore (where we grew up).

      Thanks.

    8. Re:Worst. Explanation. Evar. by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I don't know where it went and wasn't maintaining it. I assume it's still around somewhere, but I wasn't involved in setting it up and don't even know what computer it's saved on.

  17. Their clean web page needs no apology by Morgaine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA: Apologies in advance for this being a simple html website. I'm a scientist/engineer, not a graphic designer.

    No apologies needed. I wish all web pages were as clean as yours, instead of covered in irrelevant decor, side panels and advertising that just obscures the message and makes loading times 10 times as long as they should be.

    Google's minimalist search page stands almost alone in retaining functional sanity among major websites. Don't feel bad emulating that frugality.

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  18. But which way it up? by WatcherXP · · Score: 1

    Look at the last two photos in the media section..

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  19. Nothing changes by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    This is how it is with physicists and engineers, since Galileo damaged his sight looking through his telescope.

    Remember the guys on the Los Alamos project who thought it was cool to have a lump of gold plated plutonium on a stand so you could feel how warm it was? And then there was the scientist I once had the pleasure of working with who thought it was clever to have his 5kV capacitor bank with the live prongs exposed and joined by a copper rod, though the CEO did get pushed out of the way before he could touch them and kill himself. As my physics teacher used to say "Physicists have their own version of natural selection", though he was talking about some people he had worked with who couldn't be bothered to use the shielding when working with X-rays.

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  20. Slow news day? by JamesTKirk · · Score: 1

    Some grad student is lighting up his mom's artwork with LEDs, and this is news?

  21. Brilliant Headline by Saurian_Overlord · · Score: 2, Funny

    "gets artistic with...art"

    Incredible. Next thing you know, people will be getting ingenious with ingenuity.

  22. Superpowerful LEDs??? by monopole · · Score: 1

    Luxeon Rebels and Vs? Yawn! I've been running those under PWM for over 2 years. Presently I'm rigging an RGB LEDEngin 15W Light Engine w/ 1.5 A buck boosts running through a fiber bundle conduit to drive a DLP. Had to go out and get some arctic silver epoxy and P3 heatsinks to handle the heat.
    Maybe the current state of LED tech will make it to MIT in a couple of years.

    1. Re:Superpowerful LEDs??? by karnal · · Score: 1

      That's actually something I'd like to see - I'm assuming by DLP you mean projector?

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  23. Perfect Timing by nsfw · · Score: 1

    Sweet... When all my my CFL's burn out in approx 2012, then I can replace them all with LED bulbs.

  24. Learned something new by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    I wish I had mod points today for 'informative', because the article points out something that's not intuitively obvious and explains an observation I've made for the past 2-3 years (the time since RGB LED theater lights started to become commonplace) -- why things illuminated by the "white" light from a RGB triad tend to look like crap. Specifically, the observation that if you shine "yellow" light produced by red and green LEDs onto a surface that's painted/colored yellow, the surface looks almost black, and if you shine "orange" light produced by red and green LEDs onto an orange surface, it appears to be bright red.

    In retrospect, it makes sense, and I feel like kicking myself because I should have figured it out a long time ago from what I know about light bulbs and color-rendering index (CRI). The reason halogen lightbulbs have a high CRI (~98 or ~99 when running at full power, I believe, compared to midday cloudless summer sunlight's CRI of 100) is because they produce light comprised of a nearly infinite number of discrete wavelengths (or at least enough to look like it to the eyes). Likewise, the reason why colors look a little "off" under most CFL bulbs (though often better than incandescent bulbs running at reduced power) is because their CRI tends to be in the low 90s. They produce light that's the sum of a small (few dozen?) number of different wavelengths. If you look at it on a spectrometer, you see a bunch of little spikes with nothing in between. Old/cheap fluorescent bulbs look even worse, because they used fewer different phosphors and had bigger gaps between spikes.

    This is relevant, because it makes it obvious why attempts to light a stage using ONLY theater lights comprised of red, green, and blue LEDs will produce less than spectacular (if not downright odd) results -- effectively, a light that produces "white" light from red, green, and blue LEDs is like a poor-quality low-CRI fluorescent light from the distant past... but worse. It's not a question of "temperature" (bluish, yellowish, etc), because your eyes can compensate for THAT (it only becomes a big deal with you're dealing with film, or putting natural and artificial light side by side where they can be visually compared). Ergo, if you wanted to make stage lamps capable of reproducing halfway natural-looking color, you'd need to combine -- at the BARE minimum -- not just red, blue, and green LEDs... but also yellow, and augment it with high-CRI halogen lights. Cyan, magenta, and orange LEDs probably wouldn't hurt, either. You'd use the halogen lights for general illumination, and use the LED lights to tip the color balance for effect (being aware that the more you dim the halogen and brighter you make the LEDs, the more the color quality of the light is going to deteriorate).

  25. Warning by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    However artistic you want to get with LED lights, just don't hang them around town with black electrical tape ;)

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  26. PWM dimming of RGB LED's is patented by marcop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Color Kinetics (now owned by Philips) has a patent entitled "Multicolored LED lighting method and apparatus" (6,016,038). It's such a trivial invention which should have prior art. Yet they used it against Super Vision International and it was upheld in court.

    I hope this student got a license.

    1. Re:PWM dimming of RGB LED's is patented by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

      Actually, IIRC much of the foundation of Color Kinetics, as well as Brian's work, was done by another MIT student, frostbyte (now deceased), and much of it probably qualifies public domain or prior art. Therefore it's likely, Phillips only has a patent on the implementation of a specific controller.

    2. Re:PWM dimming of RGB LED's is patented by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Frostbyte worked at Color Kinetics, by the way... and no, everyone agrees that if I ever wanted to sell the lights, I'd need to pay 5% of the proceeds to Phillips. Unfortunately, no one out there seems to have come up with a silver bullet to kill the PWM patents yet.

    3. Re:PWM dimming of RGB LED's is patented by toocooleds · · Score: 1

      You remember Very Incorrectly. Whatever you recall, it certainly isn't based on easily-available facts of public record. Color Kinetics/Philips holds over 80 patents in this area. The fundamental patents were already issued YEARS before frostbyte even started working there or did any work with LEDs. His name appears as a contributor on a handful of their later patents, along with many others. It's a disservice to the other engineers there to suggest that frostbyte played a major role in that company's technology or success.

  27. heinously distortive by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    the reporting was heinously distortive


    I feel this bit bears repeating. In both the "Mooninite scare" and the Star thing, one very disturbing aspect of all the local reporting was that it was very heavily spun in favor of the city, the TSA, etc. Referring to a pack of D cells and some LEDs as a "Hoax Device" - even when it was already damned obvious that the Mooninites were neither bombs nor hoax bombs - is just a cheap tactic to make people side with the authorities, despite little matters like common sense getting in the way.
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  28. His Academic Work is even cooler! by virtualXTC · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised to see Brian made the front of slashdot for his artwork when his academic work, converting ethanol to H2 by creating Rh and CeO2 nanowires using a genetically engineered T9 capsid as the wire template seems far cooler. Unfortunately, is lab's home page seems to be down at the moment.

  29. Anti-mold UV? by mi · · Score: 1

    Could this ultra-violet LEDs be used to kill the mold and bacteria in the bathroom and kitchen, while nobody is there?

    Or are the rays too weak?

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    1. Re:Anti-mold UV? by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      The energy density is probably too low, but there are a variety of devices which use UV LEDs to sterilize bacteria and parasites in water. These UV LEDs were designed for use in curing polymers, but the total light output of two LEDs is still only about the same as a smallish blacklight fluorescent bulb. The neat part is that you can get fading UV light (so your fluorescence fades in and out), but the total power output still isn't even close to that of a fluorescent bulb.

    2. Re:Anti-mold UV? by mi · · Score: 1

      [...] but the total power output still isn't even close to that of a fluorescent bulb.

      Where would one get one of those, BTW? I heard, stores are loath to carry them, because a careless user can really hurt themselves by prolonged exposure.. I'd like to be able to keep it turned on in the bathroom during the day, when we are at work...

      Thanks!

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    3. Re:Anti-mold UV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to be able to keep it turned on in the bathroom during the day, when we are at work...

      Or, you could:

      1) Clean your bathroom,

      2) Stop being such a germophobe.

      Just sayin'.

  30. Electroluminscent Vinyl by spinlight · · Score: 1

    I would be very interested in seeing these LED setups interact with electroluminescent vinyl. I came across this stuff a few years back when I made custom glow gauges for my CRX. One really interesting thing you can do with this is do a giclee' print on it and then illuminate the art from the canvas itself. It's pretty expensive, or I'd play with it more, but I have done animations by printing on pieces and wiring them into an array (like a blinkenlights thing).

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  31. The science is way off... by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    The human eye has detectors for exactly 3 colors: red, green, and blue (barring some genetic mutations). The author claims that RGB will let you get close to any color, when in fact it will produce exactly everything the human eye can see and there is no more color information to be obtained by the human eye, period. He then went on to design an elaborate device with for more than the three primary colors.

    Artistically, it's pretty cool.

    Scientifically, I they could have done this with 3 LEDs tuned to exactly the frequency of the viewer's primary colors, with no stray frequencies to activate other color receptors, plus maybe UVA and UVB for other effects. Also, I believe there are two frequencies or red and blue that humans may be tuned for, and since they are carried on the X chromosome a woman could have up to 5 primary colors. That would be an interesting project: designing a light just for her.

    1. Re:The science is way off... by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      Sorry, this is simply not true. The eye can see any color inside the boundaries of the CIE chromaticity diagram (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/cie.html). RGB colorspace is a subset of human vision. Colors which you patently cannot produce with RGB mixing, but can see in a rainbow, include: that awesome purple that you see at night on a really clear evening, true deep cyans, and true yellows. This can be seen very well on the illustration on the GSU website I linked to.

      The eye is more awesome than you give it credit for.

    2. Re:The science is way off... by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

      So, you are claiming that the human eye has more than R G and B receptors? I would be very interested to see any evidence of that, as I suspect would most scientists who study vision.

    3. Re:The science is way off... by Gibbs-Duhem · · Score: 1

      R. W. G. Hunt (2004). The Reproduction of Colour, 6th ed., Chichester UK: Wiley-IS&T Series in Imaging Science and Technology. ISBN 0-470-02425-9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB#Physical_principles_for_the_choice_of_red.2C_green.2C_and_blue

  32. Factual errors - multicolor LED mixing isn't new by toocooleds · · Score: 1

    The author has not done his homework. It's absolutely untrue to state that existing full-color LED lighting products do not go beyond RGB. It's also highly subjective and misleading to state that they are "not nearly good enough for doing high-quality art". I think it's debatable whether this could be called a "new class" of LED illuminator, although the inclusion of near-UV as one of the >3 color channels may be a first. For example, Selador has had products on the market since 2003 - long before this project was begun, which use 7 different wavelengths of LED sources. Their largest fixture puts out nearly 5,000 lumens, twice as much light as he claims for the Ultraluminous Illuminator. http://www.selador.net/ These were developed specifically to address the same true-color and color-rendering limitations, and are becoming increasingly popular in theatrical and studio lighting applications for that reason. There are and have been other LED lights available on the market that incorporate RGB + Amber, and these 4 colors are even available as OEM LED clusters from suppliers such as Lamina, Enfis, and LedEngin. How was the total light output of this device determined? There are many factors such as LED operating temperature which affect actual light output, so one must be careful not to extrapolate from an LED manufacturers' data sheet in order to calculate total light output. The addition of optics, including those cool holographic diffusers, also causes some light loss.