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Another Web-Based Game Targeting Casual Gamers Launches

News.com is reporting that Mytopia, another casual-gaming network, has launched into public-beta. More than just a regular game with virtual rewards, Mytopia encourages exchanging points for real-world prizes like iTunes or Amazon certificates. "Since Mytopia is centered on "classic games," the offering--Sudoku, chess, backgammon, hearts, spades, dominoes, bingo, and poker--is a bit of a yawn, though the company has said new games will be added on a monthly basis. On the flip side, the familiarity of those games may be a draw to players who don't want to learn a whole new set of rules. Indeed, Mytopia is targeting a thoroughly non-"gamer" demographic."

79 comments

  1. iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate.... by New_Age_Reform_Act · · Score: 1

    can be easily converted into $$$ on eBay. These constantly sold around 90% or sometimes even 95% of the face value.

    Anyway this concept is not new. Cases Ladder has been doing this for years.

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    1. Re:iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate.... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

      iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate can be easily converted into $$$ on eBay. These constantly sold around 90% or sometimes even 95% of the face value.

      According to Amazon's own rules you are not allowed to resell gift certificates. If people start selling them enough on eBay, Amazon may pressure eBay to forbid listing them.

    2. Re:iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Pressure? eBay will roll over and give Amazon power to delist it themselves!

    3. Re:iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate.... by Schlage · · Score: 1

      Pressure? eBay will roll over and give Amazon power to delist it themselves! That's a common misconception. eBay doesn't provide anyone outside of eBay with tools to de-list auctions, but rather programs that allow others to send in takedown notices (NOCI = Notice(s) Of Claimed Infringement). The end effect is that for a company actively policing auctions the listings can get taken down quite quickly, often within their first hour. I think this is why people sometimes think that eBay has given others direct access to their systems, which is simply not the case.

      By the way, for those interested, here's a link to eBay's existing gift card policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/gift.html

      Note/Disclaimer: I used to work for eBay in their Trust & Safety department.
    4. Re:iTunes / Amazon.com gift certificate.... by Nazlfrag · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I was under the assumption that the VeRO program allowed companies direct access, as discussed here a little while ago. There's a paper about it here which quotes:

      Once membership has attached, VeRO members have available to them the VeRO Reporting Tool, which is software designed to automate the process of alleging infringements to eBay. Upon receipt of a NOCI, eBay removes the allegedly infringing listing apparently with little or no review of the validity of the complaint. and a little later:

      One person claimed to use VeRO to remove over 500 listings in a day. My question I guess is this - how much oversight is actually there between the automated filing of a NOCI and the takedown, or is this also automated?
  2. How long by Vexor · · Score: 1

    until someone gets hooked and dies after a 3 day binge?

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    1. Re:How long by Spudtrooper · · Score: 5, Funny

      According to current medical science, the answer is "3 days after they put up an online version of Starcraft."

  3. eh, I dunno by ILuvRamen · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think they're going to beat out games.com. First of all they have the domain games.com. Second, they have EVERYTHING. They even have Monopoly! And third, I think games.com has some sort of win cash by playing games. Never really looked into it but it sounded cool. I don't think this new one is going to beat them out if they simply try to beat them at their own game, no pun intended :-P

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    1. Re:eh, I dunno by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ILuvRamen = corporate shill? Seriously, most of his posts are absolutely nonsensical, and this one is pure 100% shilling.

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    2. Re:eh, I dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think he really is just a plain old moron. There are few people with posting histories as desperately retarded, it's true.

    3. Re:eh, I dunno by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      If he is, then he's no worse that the submitter.

    4. Re:eh, I dunno by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cocksucker, manhore! dickface! assbag! Sorry, my Tourette's syndrome is acting up.

  4. So You Pay To Get Ads? by ergo98 · · Score: 5, Informative

    but for a $5-per-month premium membership, players have access to an ad-supported version of the site

    I presume they misstated, and you actually pay to get an ad-free version of the site.

    Otherwise...is this a slashvertisement? Yet another of hundreds of online gaming sites...what's the news for nerds in this? No, seriously, I really want to know.
    1. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by eebra82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Otherwise...is this a slashvertisement? That depends on where you want to draw the line on news and advertisements. For example, if Intel launches a new CPU architecture, wouldn't that be very much like this news item?

      Having said that, this news looks like pure spam on a page like Slashdot. None of its featured games are new or spectacular in any way and the concept is dated back to at least 2001.
    2. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats news about this? Time to write another bot for these stupid games!

      I love Amazon gift certificates!

    3. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about ad blocking programs... creates ad free browsing

    4. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by earthlandrealms · · Score: 1

      Otherwise...is this a slashvertisement? That depends on where you want to draw the line on news and advertisements. For example, if Intel launches a new CPU architecture, wouldn't that be very much like this news item?

      Having said that, this news looks like pure spam on a page like Slashdot. None of its featured games are new or spectacular in any way and the concept is dated back to at least 2001. 2001 is being too kind. I'd say this idea was barely original pre 1995.
    5. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by n3v3rmiss · · Score: 1

      Actually this is quite an interesting game. I have been beta testing this for the last three months. The grahpics are quite good, and the quests are quite enjoyable to perform. It is very much like diablo, its menu bar at the bottom is virtually a copy of that, except the gama and health are very small compared to diablo, so you really have to keep an eye on it, otherwise you die. This is not really an advertisement, it is stating a new game, that is available for people who are into this kind of web based game. Slashdot mentioning the new Vista or Ubuntu release is advertising that particular update, this news item may not interest a lot of people on slashdot, but gamers, or testers like myself may find this news informative. I also believe it is a misprint, you will pay for a ad-free version, but why would you?

    6. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by Astrorunner · · Score: 1

      Taco's mortgage must be coming due.

    7. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by EtherMonkey · · Score: 1

      This sounds like PrizePoint.com or Uproar.com (the original version, which lived between 1998 and 2006, not the new version, which sux even more). The idea was you earned points that could be redeemed for prizes by playing cheesy Java-based games. Of course the quid pro quo was being barraged by ads.

      Ultimately, the games and prizes weren't worth putting-up with all the ads. Ad-blocking caused revenues to plummet and those who didn't block ads just stopped visiting. Uproar and Prizepoint merged and then eventually died after burning through millions of VC dollars.

      I don't see anything better happening this time around.

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    8. Re:So You Pay To Get Ads? by philspear · · Score: 1

      Otherwise...is this a slashvertisement? Yet another of hundreds of online gaming sites...what's the news for nerds in this? No, seriously, I really want to know


      There is a breed of nerds, the game biz nerds, who would be interested in this. The same people who argue passionately about computer chips from so and so, and who make online petitions to prevent EA from buying are probably interested in this.

      As a science/videogame nerd, I have to say this is actually more interesting to me than the bulk of the linux/microsoft/computer hardware/blahblahblah stories posted here.
  5. Yeah iTunes gift cards are cool... by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... but how about annual subscriptions to your favorite porn site? That might add a few users!

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    1. Re:Yeah iTunes gift cards are cool... by DiEx-15 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thus proving once again - the internet is for p0rn!

  6. Bot by DigitalisAkujin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long until someone codes a bot so I can get free shit?

    1. Re:Bot by Call+Me+Black+Cloud · · Score: 1

      I don't know why this is a troll...it's a very relevant question. Search for "pogo cheats" and you'll find many bots available, all for the sole purpose of gaining tokens which are worth nothing more than bragging rights, or maybe some clothing for one's static avatar. Throw in some real-world rewards and there will be tons of bots, not particularly hard to code up for "classic" games.

    2. Re:Bot by New_Age_Reform_Act · · Score: 1

      Playbuddy.com has tons of bot programs for Yahoo, MSN, Pogo etc.
      I am a constant player @ Yahoo Chess, and you couldn't believe how many people are using the Chess-AutoBuddy program, especially "1 second per move" games.
      Combine this fact with the my very first post in this article, then you can see where this is going.

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    3. Re:Bot by TheAngryIntern · · Score: 1

      congratulations! You are today's "Douchebag of the day!"

    4. Re:Bot by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Someone else codes a bot so you can get free shit?

      I think you'll be waiting a long time.

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  7. similar by esocid · · Score: 1

    This sounds a little bit like kongregate with a little more multiplayer to it. Kongregate has some better sounding games though, and a steady flow of them. The redemption thing sounds good, except with the obvious point of how security will deal with the private information.

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    1. Re:similar by Rimbo · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is almost identical, in a "Vivendi Universal is totally going to sue" sort of way, to the old Sierra On-Line network / Imagination Network.

      Imagination network screenshot
      MyTopia Screenshot

  8. Is this really a good name? by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean really... one thing that playing games over an extended period of time seems to cause (especially in the case of first person shooters) is a problem with my eyes... I seem to have problems tracking distances and movements for a short period of adjustment as I retrain my eyes to work in a 3D environment rather than a 2D representation of 3D.

    Isn't "Myopia" a type of optical malady also known as near-sightedness? Granted that "Mytopia" and "Myopia" are two different words, but they are similar enough that the mind will draw a connection between the two whether "liminally" or "subliminally." (Yes, I know there is no word liminally... I just like playing with words and it does effectively get the point across.)

    1. Re:Is this really a good name? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's also rather close to Mycotopia

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    2. Re:Is this really a good name? by swalker42 · · Score: 1

      My first thought was "Mytopia = personal utopia" - which I'm sure is what the marketing folks were hoping.
      My second thought was "great we can't even share utopia anymore, another concept taken to the self-centered extreme".
      Then I snapped out of it and thought "who cares, if they can make some cash then good for them".

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    3. Re:Is this really a good name? by rrkap · · Score: 1

      Actually, liminally is a perfectly good word. It's the adverbial form of liminal meaning above the threshold of perception (thus subliminal means below the threshold of perception.

      Oh, god! I just corrected someone's grammar on Slashdot. I must retreat to my moms basement and get tested for Aspergers immediately!

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    4. Re:Is this really a good name? by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      When your mind starts drawing a connection superliminally, then you've got something to talk about.

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    5. Re:Is this really a good name? by Aphex+Junkie · · Score: 1

      (Yes, I know there is no word liminally... I just like playing with words and it does effectively get the point across.) The word you're looking for is superliminally. And I seem to have the same thing with after long FPS sessions. I notice that I tend to focus in the center of my vision and that it's difficult to use my peripheral vision. Oh well, I'll continue to play them until my eyes are but mere smoldering craters in my head
  9. Mytopia? by ajlitt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Does playing this game make you near-sighted?

    1. Re:Mytopia? by dipstick · · Score: 1

      If it offers games that can make you go blind I'm signing up tomorrow.

  10. mytopia, can you hire me in the ad department? by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    here's my free ad campaign slogans for you:

    1. "stare at the screen forever! get your myopia on mytopia"

    2. "mytopia: you would think it's an amalgam of 'my utopia'. it's actually an amalgam of 'my dystopia'. sorry for your forthcoming displeasure"

    3. "welcome to mytopia. if you are looking for the hallucinogenic substance exchange 'mycopia,' you are on the wrong site, click here"

    4. "welcome to mytopiary.com, the site for lovers of small shrubs and all things related to small shrub erotica! the mytopia website burned through all of its funds on a shameless ad plug on slashdot, and went bankrupt, and we bought their domain for $29.94"

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    1. Re:mytopia, can you hire me in the ad department? by Surt · · Score: 2, Funny

      4. "welcome to mytopiary.com, the site for lovers of small shrubs and all things related to small shrub erotica! the mytopia website burned through all of its funds on a shameless ad plug on slashdot, and went bankrupt, and we bought their domain for $29.94"

      You overpaid.

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  11. Classic won't cost you, or get you sued. by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since Mytopia is centered on "classic games," For "classic" read "public domain."
  12. Classic games? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Funny

    Like Kings Quest? Dune 2? Battle Chess? Super Mario Brothers? Castle Wolfenstein? Pirates!? Rampage?

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  13. Classic games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Like tic-tac-toe, or global thermonuclear war.

  14. Imagination Network by Kythorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This (visually) looks amazingly similar to the Imagination Network

    http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001081.html has a screenshot comparison I saw earlier this morning.

  15. Off I go... by grumpyman · · Score: 1

    1. Write sudoku-playing bots 2. ??? 3. Prizes!!!

  16. Sierra Network by kaellinn18 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jeff Atwood wrote a post about this yesterday. Apparently, Mytopia is a lot like Sierra's ImagiNation Network from the late 80s/early 90s.

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    1. Re:Sierra Network by VermifugeRT · · Score: 1

      Not just a LOT look at the old TSN Map! http://www.4gamer.net/weekly/kaito/103/img/01.jpg

    2. Re:Sierra Network by Frantix · · Score: 1

      I freakin' love it.. :) Now if they could only license some form of Red Baron, I could relive some of the most fun I had with online gaming! :) Seeing that TSN/INN map brings back the memories...

  17. Is Slashdot getting paid by Bromskloss · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...for generating traffic for news.com or why on earth didn't you include the link to Mytopia?!!

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    1. Re:Is Slashdot getting paid by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      ...for generating traffic for news.com or why on earth didn't you include the link to Mytopia?!!
      Probably because if they provided a link to Mytopia directly, the editors would be accused of running a slashvertisement for Mytopia. Anytime there is an article about any commerical product, someone is going to cry "slashvertisement"... so now if they link to an article about the commerical product, someone cries "paid referral".

      There's a simple solution, which you appear to have solved for yourself... type "mytopia" into your favorite search engine, and off you go...

      Another note, is that the source site for a lot of slashdot articles might have trouble handling the slashdot effect. By direct linking only to a site like news.com, there's mitigation of that. Only people truly interested in the site are going to find & navigate to the actual site.

      AFAICT, it's win-win for everyone. Site avoids a slahdotting, news.com gets more traffic, slashdot gets a little bit of info about the site from the linked article, trolls get to complain about the lack of a direct link, and karma whores get to refute the trolls in order to get insightful mods ;)
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  18. anyone else notice? by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

    That mytopia looks a lot like myopia which means "short-sightedness"? Anyone find this fitting?

  19. Bow before Neopets by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, this upstart will achieve NOTHING unless he somehow gets an idea of how to dethrone the inexplicably popular NEOPETS from its throne of bones. I "played" Neopets for more than a month back in '04, when I was out of a job and homebound, and it singlehandedly made me want to get out of the house and get into the real world (no small feat). And Neopets remains popular despite the fact that one of its main pet types is sacreligious to one of the world's most respected religions. All aboard to Krawk Island! Avast and set sail to Meridell!

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    1. Re:Bow before Neopets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it sacreligious to name a pet after the 9 year old that Mohammad did the nasty with?

    2. Re:Bow before Neopets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, are 35 year olds playing NEO PETS?! wtf

  20. why is this news? by cliffski · · Score: 2, Funny

    new casual games portals are ten a penny. who cares?

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  21. this is a spam submission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    the mytopia domain has 0 contact information and a whois on the domain produces a hidden registration if this was legit company/startup and all above board why would they hide their contact info behind a registration proxy ? perhaps we should look harder at them and see where they get their games from i wonder if evservers (their US based host) is aware what they are hosting the DMCA does still apply in the US

  22. One possible approach: by blakbeard0 · · Score: 1

    1. Obtain highest rating in all games on Mytopia
    2. Get Geek Card Platinum
    3. ???
    4. Profit

  23. doesn't allow login by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It doesn't even allow me to login...weird.

  24. No joy for Firefox on Feisty. by christian.einfeldt · · Score: 1

    I was not able to access the games on that site using ff under Feisty. Anyone else have any luck using GNU Linux to access that site?

    1. Re:No joy for Firefox on Feisty. by wampus · · Score: 1

      Yes. Its just Flash.

    2. Re:No joy for Firefox on Feisty. by markdavis · · Score: 1

      Mandriva 2007.1 + Firefox 1.5 + Flash 9.0 The site loads and says "click to login" and nothing happens when you click. So their site is a *major* yawn...

  25. site sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The site is flawless:

    Code: UsernamePasswordDontMatch

    Authentication error

    Pretty sure I can type correctly.

  26. TROLL ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdotters are usually Democratic/Leftist by nature. That's the culture, and I am proud to be a democrat, proud to be black, and proud member of the American Criminal Leftist Union.

    1. Re:TROLL ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DIE NIGGA!

    2. Re:TROLL ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOOSH!!!!!!

  27. so i got a shovel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the flash is served from the domain dams.realdice.com
    a whois on that discovers the owners name and a dropbox address in carson city with rather a seedy past.
    the name i got was a "Guy Ben-Artzi" a google on that name brings us to this company based in Israel
    where he is apparently the VP of Research & Development of a electronics firm (seems to be a busy chap) of course this might be someone else but the evidence seems to point to him

    the realdice site has an affiliate program where you can earn thousands apparently.

    seems this chap is rather industrious, a look on a domain explorer reveals quite a few domains hosted on that IP all related to gaming (specifically mobile related) and all with the same casino games theme and hidden whois

    blackberrymultiplayer.com
    dreamin.com
    games4treo.com
    gamesfortreo.com
    gamesforwindowsmobile.com
    heartsmultiplayer.com
    javamultiplayer.com
    multiplayerblackberry.com
    multiplayerbrew.com
    multiplayerchampionship.com
    multiplayermobile.com
    multiplayerpalm.com
    multiplayerseries.com
    multiplayerwm.com
    sudokumaster.com
    sudokumultiplayer.com
    windowsmobilemultiplayer.com
    wmmultiplayer.com

    certainly a busy "Guy", iam sure i could find out a lot more about this man but so far he is looking rather a dodgy person with an affinty for gambling and hiding his info (hardly suprising looking at the trademark names in his domain collection

    ttfn

    Anonymous

  28. Shilling is 5x as valuable as your 2c by tepples · · Score: 1

    ILuvRamen = corporate shill? Seriously, most of his posts are absolutely nonsensical, and this one is pure 100% shilling. A pure 100% shilling is worth five pence, or about five times as much as your two cents or my two cents.
  29. Yeap, public beta fail... by raehl · · Score: 1

    Can't even log into the site.

    Did a good job harvesting my email though! Now I'm sure to get 1,000,010 spams a day instead of just 1,000,000!

  30. In USA, games have no copyright by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since Mytopia is centered on "classic games," For "classic" read "public domain." On Slashdot's home turf, games aren't copyrightable; implementations are. As long as you step around trademarks (e.g. "Zookeeper" vs. "Bejeweled" or "Lockjaw" vs. "Tetris" or "Snood" vs. "Bust-A-Move"), you break no law by reimplementing an existing casual game's rules with a new program and new graphics.
  31. Blatant Slashvertisement by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Not the story, this post. I have to use the story as an excuse to plug my own favorite casual gaming site, Kongregate. The cute thing about them is that most of their games are user uploads. Many of these have rough edges (my personal favorite time sink^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hgame, Desktop Tower Defense, has hand-drawn icons and sound effects that seem to have been done by somebody with a microphone and a talent for silly noises), but that just adds to the fun.

  32. ripoff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks kind og like Sierra's ImageNation network

  33. So What? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

    Yay! Yet another place where I can play checkers, hearts, or some rip-off of Scrabble that still isn't Scrabble. Games.com used to be really good. I could play Sorry!, Monopoly and other boardgames with friends online, but now it's mostly a portal for demo downloads of single player games. Give me an online web service that allows me to play Monopoly, Clue, Life, Trivial Pursuit, and Stratego on a virtual game board against friends OVER the Internet and without downloading Windows software; and I will happily pay a subscription. Otherwise, I hope this site crashes and burns. Yes, new free game portals actually does anger me.

  34. Some games are casual on more than one level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this game is casual enough that not only does it cater to casual gamers - it was also coded in a very casual matter. I can't say much for my ActionScript programming (probably horrible at best), but at least I got something to work in a playable manner.

  35. A better idea by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

    This is such a boring approach to online games. I think much better would be a service that aims to run ANY turn-based game. Create a language to describe the rules of play, table setup, and optionally an AI. Provide basic concepts such as a deck of cards, a playing surface, and a set of game pieces. All you'd have to do is write a few example games, and the users would do the rest, coding up every standard game, and inventing many of their own.

    Making it profitable while keeping it open and user friendly is a bit more complicated, but definitely doable. I was thinking of starting something like this, but since I don't think I'll have the time anytime soon, perhaps someone would like to take the idea and run with it.

  36. Casual Gaming by Hyppy · · Score: 1

    I prefer Kongregate for casual gaming (read: gaming at work). Honestly, though, is there really that large of a market for this?

  37. Ahh strange! by Weebo · · Score: 1

    It's odd that such a site would launch and gain publicity without having anything new to offer!