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Graphene May be the New Silicon

esocid writes to share that University of Maryland physicists have demonstrated that the material of the future may be graphene rather than silicon. Electricity conduction through graphene is about 100 times greater than that of silicon and could offer many improvements to things like computer chips and biochemical sensors. "Graphene, a single-atom-thick sheet of graphite, is a new material which combines aspects of semiconductors and metals. [...] A team of researchers led by physics professor Michael S. Fuhrer of the university's Center for Nanophysics and Advanced Materials, and the Maryland NanoCenter said the findings are the first measurement of the effect of thermal vibrations on the conduction of electrons in graphene, and show that thermal vibrations have an extraordinarily small effect on the electrons in graphene."

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  1. The "100 times greater"... by 26199 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...refers to electron mobility, a concept I hadn't previously encountered. But it's easy enough to understand: if I apply a unit electric field to a material, how fast does it make the electrons drift? This is the mobility.

    Apparently graphene (also new to me ... a single-atom layer of carbon) is exciting because it has much higher electron mobility than silicon. Which leads to faster switching times, although they don't explain that part.

    All this seems to be theoretical at the moment, due to insufficiently pure graphene. Still, 100th the switching delay is not a bad target to be aiming at... 100Ghz processing!

    1. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Arccot · · Score: 1

      ...refers to electron mobility, a concept I hadn't previously encountered. But it's easy enough to understand: if I apply a unit electric field to a material, how fast does it make the electrons drift? This is the mobility.

      Apparently graphene (also new to me ... a single-atom layer of carbon) is exciting because it has much higher electron mobility than silicon. Which leads to faster switching times, although they don't explain that part.

      All this seems to be theoretical at the moment, due to insufficiently pure graphene. Still, 100th the switching delay is not a bad target to be aiming at... 100Ghz processing!

      Thanks, now I don't have to RTFA. I was wondering why pure conductivity improvements are good for gates. Semiconductors are used for a reason. :-)
    2. Re:The "100 times greater"... by mrbluze · · Score: 1

      How can Graphene be the new silicon if it's just one atom thick. I don't think we're likely to be seeing Graphene enhancements on our girlie Jpegs and AVI's anytime soon.

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    3. Re:The "100 times greater"... by 26199 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think you mean silicone.

      The "e" is very important. (As the raver said to the priest).

    4. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I was wondering why pure conductivity improvements are good for gates. Semiconductors are used for a reason. :-) Not only that, graphene breast implants are totally risk free!
    5. Re:The "100 times greater"... by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think you mean silicone. Okay then, Graphenee boobs then.
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    6. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Falstius · · Score: 1
      Silicon is the material of choice because of its good oxide and because engineers have, what, 60 years of experience with it now? Limits to scaling down silicon based chips come from silicon oxide not being a good enough dielectric (insulator) and from very small 'off' transistors letting through too much leakage current. More conductive materials aren't particularly helpful in that regard.

      Polycrystal silicon is used for transistor gates and routing signals over very short distances, maybe they mean to replace that with graphene?

      Haven't RTFA, someone who has should enlighten us lazy posters if this detail is there.

    7. Re:The "100 times greater"... by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would have been a lot funnier to have said 'graphite' there.

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    8. Re:The "100 times greater"... by wass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Graphene has been studied for a few years now, even longer if you count it as rolled into a nanotube.

      What took awhile (and was solved with a fairly low-tech solution : scotch tape) was how to make a single layer of graphene to measure, whereas graphite usually rolled off into multi-layer pieces.

      Graphene is interesting for a number of reasons. Primarily is it's Minkowski lightcone-like density of states. The Fermi level lies right at the cone vertex, which makes this material a "zero-bandgap insulator", which brings about a huge number of interesting properties in itself.

      Anyway, graphene has been hugely popular in condensed matter physics for a few years now, and people have studied the phonon spectra, I remember going to a seminar about the modes of graphene in a carbon nanotube a few years ago.

      However, don't get your hopes up for mass-produced graphene tech anytime soon. While people will probably demonstrate small-scale single-electron transistors or other interesting graphene devices (if they haven't already), the ability to deposit and pattern graphene is still very crude, and it's hard to do anything other than one-off devices at this point.

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    9. Re:The "100 times greater"... by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember reading about how physicists are running into the limitations of "C" (speed of light) with regards to signal propagation across the CPU die. Even though something measuring 143 mm^2 is small, at speeds of 100GHz (or was that 1Thz), I doubt your processing can remain symmetrical. If that's true, such fast CPUs will need to be engineered for asymmetrical processing instead.

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    10. Re:The "100 times greater"... by mapsjanhere · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also very hard to "solder" interconnects on a single layer sheet. Alnd, due to the 2 dimensional nature of the graphene sheet you can't easily take advantage of modern multilayer silicone processing. Making a true device from this will be challenging.

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    11. Re:The "100 times greater"... by commodoresloat · · Score: 1, Funny

      Graphene has been studied for a few years now, even longer if you count it as rolled into a nanotube. So the internet will soon be a series of nanotubes?
    12. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Cecil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      On the other side of the coin, the design for an original Pentium had around 5 million transistors. Modern processors have more like 300 million. What's changed? Well, dual-core, and 64-bit, sure. But a lot of those extra transistors are to create extra pipelines or additional specialized instructions or even specialized pipelines that only run specialized instructions to compensate for the fact that the clock speeds just won't ramp up as quickly as designers want. Perhaps if we were able to start cranking up the clock speeds again, it would be possible to start streamlining those pipelines and instruction sets into something more manageable for keeping your signals properly synchronized.

    13. Re:The "100 times greater"... by wass · · Score: 1

      So the internet will soon be a series of nanotubes?

      No, by that time it will more closely resemble a large truck.

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    14. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for Rule 34 to kick in any minute now.

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    15. Re:The "100 times greater"... by FoolsGold · · Score: 3, Funny

      Still, 100th the switching delay is not a bad target to be aiming at... 100Ghz processing!

      I will physically reach out and strangle the first person to make a joke relating 100GHz to the system requirements of Windows...
    16. Re:The "100 times greater"... by misleb · · Score: 1

      Does "higher electron mobility" necessarily mean more conductive in the "off" state? I thought it just meant faster switching.

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    17. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Btarlinian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Thanks, now I don't have to RTFA. I was wondering why pure conductivity improvements are good for gates. Semiconductors are used for a reason. :-)

      The increased mobility has little to do with gates. In fact, you want gates (in MOSFETs) to be as resistive as possible, but still not attenuate the electric field that results from the gate voltage, hence the use of Halfnium dioixde instead of silicon dioxide (you can make it thicker, (and thus more resistive) while still having a strong enough field.)

      Mobility results from the equation v=(mu)E, where mu is the mobility and v is the velocity of an charge carrier (electron or hole) The reason we use semiconductors is that we can easily control the number of electrons or holes. But by increasing the speed of electrons, we can allow them to switch faster since they will be able to cross the channel more quickly. That's why smaller transistors can switch more quickly, the channel length is shorter so it takes less time for carriers to traverse them.

      I'm not sure why it's considered so amazing to discover that graphene has a good electron mobility. Since, the entire structure consists of delocalized pi orbitals, you would expect electrons to easily travel through graphene. I'm not sure how graphene would be doped either. I suppose you could use boron and phosphorous like in silicon, but it remains to see if they will still bond appropriately. Ah well, there's a reason, they're professors and I'm a student.

    18. Re:The "100 times greater"... by discontinuity · · Score: 1

      What took awhile (and was solved with a fairly low-tech solution : scotch tape) was how to make a single layer of graphene to measure, whereas graphite usually rolled off into multi-layer pieces.

      There also is a group investigating this at Georgia Tech: http://www.physics.gatech.edu/npeg/index.html (site has a halfway-decent FAQ for those not familiar with graphene).

      I met one of the students from the GT group recently and he mentioned the scotch tape solution and said he said his lab were investigating how to manufacture the material practically. For all it's promise, I got the impression that two or three major breakthroughs were needed to make it viable. It's definitely a few years away. (I mean, they're not even up to duct tape yet!)

    19. Re:The "100 times greater"... by cyfer2000 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cache, bloody huge cache. 6 transistors per bit, 48 per byte, 49152 per KiB, 50,331,648 per MiB. If you have 4 MiB cache, it's 201,326,592 transistors.

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    20. Re:The "100 times greater"... by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why it's considered so amazing to discover...

      Science writing is frustrating if you know anything at all about what's being discussed. It's dumbed down to the point that you feel less informed for having read it. They invariably leave out the "trivial" little detail that makes it all make sense. They might as well just write, "Something new and nifty and important has been discovered! But it's too complicated to explain it to you, so we'll spare you the boring, complicated details."

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    21. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Falstius · · Score: 1

      Does "higher electron mobility" necessarily mean more conductive in the "off" state? I thought it just meant faster switching.

      I was just pointing out that it doesn't address the significant problems in current devices. I don't think it will significantly affect either if it were used as a replacement semiconductor (if it even could be used that way). When materials like carbon nanotubes are made into 'transistors' the device changes significantly and generally works on different principles that current devices, so what holds for silicon transistors goes out the window.

    22. Re:The "100 times greater"... by brysgo · · Score: 1

      More like 220Ghz with a nice graphene Intel Penryn chip which may even be possible if Intel bought out a couple of scotch tape and #2 pencil factories. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/10/science/10grap.html?_r=1&ref=science&oref=slogin

    23. Re:The "100 times greater"... by thrillseeker · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Something new and nifty and important has been discovered! But it's too complicated to explain it to you, so we'll spare you the boring, complicated details."

      Your in-depth analysis intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    24. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what??? There is no way they are getting close to c. Silicon isn't a superconductor. Hell, half the time it insulates! They might use tricks like pipelines and such to make it seem like a lot is being done really fast, but there is no way the signal propagation is reaching anything close to c. Especially when using clocks, where is slows everything to the clock's speed instead of just running as fast a possible.

    25. Re:The "100 times greater"... by mOdQuArK! · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm so tempted by the idea of seeing a pair of disembodied hands lunging through my screen, but I'd better not risk it...

    26. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why they should alternate layers of graphene with one-atom-thick layers of other elements.

      Guess what you call that? That's right... a NANO-SANDWICH.

      Thank you! I'll be here all week!

      (mom says I'm grounded and have to stay in the basement)

    27. Re:The "100 times greater"... by danlock4 · · Score: 1

      (also new to me ... a single-atom layer of carbon) A single-atom layer of carbon is just that--one carbon atom. :-)

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    28. Re:The "100 times greater"... by themacks · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately the article doesn't mention a lot of other important characteristics of semiconductors. From what the article said, they basically have a new material for traces on PCBs, although at just one atom thick those would be easily damaged. For a semiconductor they have to be able to dope it. AFAIK carbon can be doped P but not N, so unless they can figure that out as well, it won't be any better than what we have now.

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    29. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a lot of those extra transistors are to create extra pipelines or additional specialized instructions or even specialized pipelines that only run specialized instructions to compensate for the fact that the clock speeds just won't ramp up as quickly as designers want. No, the problem is that the clock speed on the CPU ramps up too quickly compared to the speed of the memory bus. You can run a CPU with a large multiplier, but the faster it goes, the more time the CPU will spend waiting to hear back from the memory controller. And that's why branch prediction is so important, and why it's such a large part of the design of modern processors.
    30. Re:The "100 times greater"... by Cecil · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the info. If I hadn't already posted I'd vote you up informative, but since I have, I'll have to settle for telling you you're informative instead.

      Seriously though, thanks, I didn't realize that moving to on-die cache would've made such a drastic difference in transistor count. Very interesting.

    31. Re:The "100 times greater"... by neurolux · · Score: 0

      If it's just a single layer of graphite, why don't they just draw the tiny circuits with a pencil on tiny pieces of paper. That'll do the same thing right?

    32. Re:The "100 times greater"... by darkfire5252 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, rendering the holotextures required to accurately represent the shape and movement of disembodied hands is no small task. In fact, it's so difficult that it will not be supported until Windows 17 (aka 'Fettershorn') is released. Never mind the fact that the requirements for that edition are so steep that it'd requi... hold on a sec, someone's at the door...

    33. Re:The "100 times greater"... by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Would mobility be useful for making wires transmit data faster or is that something else again?

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    34. Re:The "100 times greater"... by galoise · · Score: 1

      and that "one-atom" thickness sure makes a hell of a sexy boob!

      uuuuh i can feel your nipple neutron there baby!

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    35. Re:The "100 times greater"... by jwo7777777 · · Score: 1

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    36. Re:The "100 times greater"... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Basically the CPU manufacturers now have technology to put lots of transistors on a die (up to billions even), but they haven't figured out how to use them all to make things go faster - it's hard to think of new tricks to make a CPU _intelligently_ faster (e.g. process more instructions per cycle).

      Cache is the easy way out - but it doesn't necessarily give you much better performance beyond a certain size (for typical workloads anyway).

      So what do you do if you have so much transistors left, that using all of them for cache would give you an 8MB cache that makes your CPU only 2% faster than a CPU with 4MB cache for normal workloads (rather than some artificial benchmark)?

      What the CPU manufacturers did was use them for another CPU (or three or more). Multicore CPUs.

      The CPU manufacturers have hit limits of speeding up the serial execution of machine code even with all the superscalar, out of order execution, and other tricks used to exploit parallelism in the machine code.

      In effect they have told the Software People - OK we give up, it's _your_ problem now, you make the stuff run faster, and do all that cool "parallel" stuff. Of course they didn't put it that way since it'll make them look bad.

      Well that's my made up version of reality ;).

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  2. Unfortunate name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    He must get "Herr Fuhrer" jokes all fricking day

    1. Re:Unfortunate name by Muhammar · · Score: 1

      Well he IS a gruppenfuhrer after all/

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    2. Re:Unfortunate name by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Funny

      He must get "Herr Fuhrer" jokes all fricking day

      Is it actually possible to Godwin a thread about microprocessor engineering?

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    3. Re:Unfortunate name by cloakable · · Score: 2, Informative

      You just saw it!

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    4. Re:Unfortunate name by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      YOU just Godwin'ed the thread.

      "Herr Fuhrer" is just a title, literally translated as Mr. Leader.... just like we use Mr. President.

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    5. Re:Unfortunate name by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      "Herr Fuhrer" is just a title, literally translated as Mr. Leader.... just like we use Mr. President

      Well... um... who do you suppose that that title is actually most associated with? Hint: Germany's current president does not use that title, or any variation on it.

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    6. Re:Unfortunate name by megaditto · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not in public, at least.

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    7. Re:Unfortunate name by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Germany's current president does not use that title
      In part because she's a woman...
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    8. Re:Unfortunate name by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      In part because she's a woman...

      Which part of "any variation" was I unclear about? I don't think she uses Frau Fuhrer, either.

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    9. Re:Unfortunate name by FuzzyDaddy · · Score: 1
      Technically, "any variation" could encompass... anything.

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  3. I, for one... by ameline · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new carbon based overlords :-)

    Seriously, however, I don't expect to see a CPU based on this anytime soon.

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    1. Re:I, for one... by Gat0r30y · · Score: 1

      no worries, grab an eraser - problem solved!

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    2. Re:I, for one... by The+Ancients · · Score: 1

      Seriously, however, I don't expect to see a CPU based on this anytime soon.

      so you shouldn't, at one atom thick.

      Graphene, a single-atom-thick sheet of graphite...
    3. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our new carbon based overlords I, for one, heil mein new carbon based fuhrer.
  4. Copper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah well thats nothing compared to copper wire!

  5. So.... by WarJolt · · Score: 0

    Electricity conduction through graphene is about 100 times greater than that of silicon and could offer many improvements to things like computer chips and biochemical sensors.

    So, when do I get my 360 GHz sixteen core processor?

    1. Re:So.... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, when do I get my 360 GHz sixteen core processor?

      The Sony Playstation 36, Holodeck Edition.

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    2. Re:So.... by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 2, Funny

      16-core processor?
      You must be extremely conservative...

      I'm waiting for my one MegaCore processor with 1,048,576 cores, while mocking the market-war with MegiCore processors who only have 1,000,000 cores, but perform better at rendering realistic 3D models of females.

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  6. Would oxidation be a problem? by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Interesting
    While you could coat it with a hard protective layer like aluminum oxide, I think it would be hard to protect it well enough to prevent oxidation from degrading a layer only one atom thick.

    I recall that early compact discs had this problem, in which oxygen trapped in the plastic would oxidize the aluminum and reduce its reflectivity.

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    1. Re:Would oxidation be a problem? by cjb-nc · · Score: 1

      Aluminum is far, far more prone to oxidation than crystalline carbon. That's all graphene is anyway, a 2-D crystal of carbon. Aluminum oxidizes easily at room temperature. Carbon does not. It takes a lot of thermal energy (think burning) to convince carbon to let go of itself and start grabbing oxygen instead.

  7. What happened to using diamond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall hearing some people making noise a few years ago about the possibility of using synthetic diamond as a replacement for silicon. What happened? Did the technology not work as predicted, or is graphene a superior material?

    1. Re:What happened to using diamond? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

      The band gap of diamond is big, it is good for high temperature purpose.

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    2. Re:What happened to using diamond? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your supplier choices are pretty thin. One cartel and some warmongers. The market for diamonds is controlled by a large cartel called De Beers which seems more interested in marketing it as a high-luxury item then a commodity. Your other option is blood diamonds, which will be a huge PR disaster... I wonder what the codename would be on that chip... "Blockbuster"? "Widowmaker"? "Warmonger"?

      P.S. I've heard of people making them in labs, but I doubt you'd be able to get enough diamond for full-scale production anytime soon. Plus there's a chance of the cartel forcing the diamond manufacturer out of business.

  8. New material? by CrazyColin · · Score: 1

    I don't think graphene is a new material. It forms the basis of nanotubes, which have been studied for over a decade.

  9. At heavy-load CPU temps? by PhasmatisApparatus · · Score: 1

    ...In graphene the intrinsic limit to the mobility, a measure of how well a material conducts electricity, is higher than any other known material at room temperature. But how does it do at, say, 70C?

  10. Re:OT: Re: Sig by shadow349 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Web comic strips are about as funny as blog "journalism" is credible.

  11. negligable thickness -- by Joseph_Daniel_Zukige · · Score: 1

    Maybe it makes a great negligee?

    I know, I know, a different enhancement problem set from the target of silicone enhancements. But I prefer the more natural sort of enhancement, myself.

    But the health issues of silicone and asbestos and the like do raise a question to me about graphene and other carbon filament materials.

  12. Dibs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...on Graphene Valley

  13. Re:Big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it might feel like a young bespectacled chap... it might feel like you! who knows?

  14. Bad for RF? by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 2, Informative

    One PITA in MMICs is the lossy substrate. More conductive = eddy currents = losses.

  15. Re:OT: Re: Sig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for answering :)

    I don't think f8d beats xkcd at being xkcd ... that would be silly. xkcd wins at being xkcd, and is one of my favourite webcomics.

    So really the comparison is kinda pointless. But it's noticable, and so makes a good sig :)

  16. Re:Big question by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1, Funny

    Yeah, like you know how real breasts feel.

  17. Das Material fuhr das Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dis will be gut für das Kübelwagen MKIII! Ze Material is only one Atom zin!

  18. Re:vfdsgfsd by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Err... Bah Weep Granah Weep Ninni Bong?

  19. Questions to ask proponents of new semiconductors by bperkins · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) Do you have a decent quality oxide for it?
    2) Can you make good low resistance contacts?
    3) Can it be doped?

    Graphene probably fails 1 and 2 at this point. I'm not sure about 3.

    2D (graphene) and 1D (carbon nanotube) semiconductor systems have a lot of trouble with surface effects ruining your ability to make decent devices.

  20. Graphene Valley? by richtaur · · Score: 1

    Silicon Valley has a way better ring to it.

    1. Re:Graphene Valley? by owlnation · · Score: 1

      Graphene Gulch is kinda cool though. It's much more Chuck Norris than Silicon Valley.

  21. So Will Future Math Nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take pride in what they can do with their graphene calculator?

  22. hmm by kjayant · · Score: 0, Redundant

    sorry.. no use unless it can be used for breast implants

  23. Same old problems. by Lewrker · · Score: 0

    Will I have to borrow a semi-conductor every class now ?
    What if someone chews on mine ?

  24. HFE by kipman725 · · Score: 1

    "how that thermal vibrations have an extraordinarily small effect on the electrons in graphene" does this mean that graphene transitors will have HFE as a stable paremeter?!? that would be seriously awsome!

  25. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4) Can it be etched easily to form structures?

  26. Misread of Article Title by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 0

    Did anyone else read the title as "Gangrene May be the New Silicon"?

  27. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by feranick · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, using conventional e-beam lithography.

  28. link to the paper by Kevin143 · · Score: 2, Informative
  29. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

    Yes, you can etch away all kinds of carbon with hydrogen plasma easily.

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  30. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by Forbman · · Score: 1

    Yes. the linked article shows photomicrographs of quantum dots made on graphene surface that are set up via doping and can act as gates. I'm going to guess that perhaps a resistive base will be used, photolithographed, and via some magic process the graphene "wires" will be deposited onto the base into the channels or, perhaps pressed onto the ridges, before being doped further.

  31. Won't be used commercially for awhile by vsage3 · · Score: 1
    Graphene wasn't even [b]fabricated[/b] for the first time until 2004 by the so-called "Manchester group". Carbon nanotubes were formally identified in 1991 and intentionally created shortly thereafter and we've done what exactly with them? As far as I know, companies like Nantero, which uses carbon nanotubes as a basis for nonvolatile memory, are few and far between. I'm active in the field, and I can just say it's going to be a year or two until we even see transistor demos much less arrays of memory or logic circuits.

    Graphene has some of the same problems as carbon nanotubes, so while doing basic electrical characterizations of this material are major news right now (that shows you how new this material is), ultimately using this material and convincing the 4 or 5 companies with the capital to have state-of-the-art fab facilities to switch over from silicon-based CMOS technology is looking way, way, WAY into the future.

  32. What I'd like to build with this stuff is ... by Skapare · · Score: 1

    ... a Yagi antenna resonant at a wavelength somewhere between 700nm and 400nm. Now I just need a high power transmitter and some feedline to connect to it.

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  33. Re:Big question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like sand bags.

  34. But carbon is ee-vul!! We must reduce our graphene by Iowan41 · · Score: 1

    footprints.

  35. Excellent, I can replace... by LM741N · · Score: 1

    my Tin Foil hat with Graphean gray hair remover. (Graphite is grey to black right?)

  36. Re:Big question by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Chemistry 101:

    Silica : crystalline silicon dioxide aka sand
    Silicon : element # 14, greyish semimetallic crystalline
    Silicone : Inorg. polymer typ. -Si(CH3)2-O- Liquid or can be rubber if crosslinked. Using for boob jobs.

  37. Oh boy... by Garridan · · Score: 1

    Chemists are going to be pissed to hear this! New periodic tables, new reactions, new names for all sorts of all sorts of chemicals. And where is the Silicon going to go? Also -- what are the geologists going to think? Over 25% of the earth's crust is made of the stuff!

  38. Re:vfdsgfsd by Arivia · · Score: 1

    If I had mod points, you would so get them all for that. Best reference ever.

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  39. Sieg Hail Michael S. Fuhrer! by Newton+IV · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Sieg Hail Michael S. Fuhrer!

  40. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. I suppose if they are using hafnium oxide, then an MBE system might be able to deposit a similar compound onto graphene.

    2. Good question. If the answer to number #3 is that you can't dope, then you're probably screwed.

    3. Doping might be possible as with SI using the III-IV elements.

    4. What about the mobility of the holes? Or would this end up being a specialty player like GaAs in the high frequency range where the intrinsic electron mobility is pretty damn good (8500 cm^2/V-s) but the Hole mobility is down right terrible? (400 cm^2/V-s).

    If the hole mobility is absolutely poor compared to the electron, it might never find a home in mass produced electronics like silicon is. But then again, if it's an order of magnitude better than that of Si, and can be economically and reliably produced then I imagine we'll see this first in mixers/modulators/clock gens/detectors/anything else that needs speed. Eventually it might trickle down to unseat the king of ICs, the almighty silicon.

  41. let me clear up some confusion... by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Informative

    Graphene is certainly a lot like carbon nanotubes, but is much easier to work with. Where you have to hope to get a semiconducting crystal structure in a nanotube (or make crappy transistors based on defects), you can pattern graphene to make a transistor. Which directions you cut the 2D sheet determine whether it is metallic or semiconducting. There are some problems with this, and practically speaking any small channel (10 nm, I think) of graphene is semiconducting. Fuhrer has shown (along with other people) that graphene can make pretty good transistors (very fast switching, thermally stable and I'm sure I'm missing some stuff).

    It can be doped. This is another thing Fuhrer has done (as well as other people... but this is his article we're talking about). You don't want to insert something into the crystal structure (that ruins it), but you can layer the top of it with potassium ions (about 1 per 1000 carbons), which dopes it just fine. This isn't a bulk semiconductor though, and the addition of charged impurities (dopants) decreases device performance (in bulk, it's a metal). You can very easily electrostatically gate graphene in any direction you want; transistors and PN junctions are easy to make this way.

    It is not hard to make graphene. The "scotch tape" method from Manchester is widely used, but there are a number of other ways to do it which may be commercially viable: oxidizing graphite, ultrasounding graphite with special polymers (Dai's method), growing it from SiC wafers. Of course, none of these really work yet, and may never be economical.

    Graphene is stable in air (almost all devices are measured in air at some point), and liquids. It's not going to spontaneously dissolve on you just because it's only 1 atomic layer thick. It's actually very robust.

    It can be used with silicon processing techniques. People are using SiO2, HfO2 and all the usual silicon processing with it.

    Big companies are looking at this material. IBM has already reported results on their work at physics conferences, I'm fairly sure that the more secretive companies (Intel) are also working with graphene... just like they worked with nanotubes.

  42. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by davros-too · · Score: 1

    5. Does it have 30 years of technology refinement behind it?

    If electron mobility was important silicon would have been replaced by Galium Arsenide years if not decades ago. GaAs can pass all of the first 3 requirements suggested by the parent - but not in a scalable way. For example you can get a good quality insulator on it, but its just bloody hard to do.

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  43. Re:Questions to ask proponents of new semiconducto by mathfeel · · Score: 1

    Because graphene has no gap, by simply gating and controlling the gate voltage you can induce charge carrier, which is essentially the same as dopping in a usual gapful semiconductor.

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  44. Question about "holes" by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As I understand it, a "hole" is just the absence of an electron, which leads to a net positive charge for a particular atom. Kind of like a positive ion, but I think use of the term "ion" is limited to liquid solutions/gases/plasmas.

    An electron can move and fill a hole, but leaves another hole behind in the location it just departed. So a "hole" moving in one direction is entirely equivalent to an electron moving in the opposite direction, is it not?

    If so, why does this term have any usefulness, if, instead of saying "the hole moved from point A to point B" you could just as easily say "the electron moved from point B to point A"?

    Help me understand why much ado is made about holes.

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    1. Re:Question about "holes" by Pikoro · · Score: 1

      This being slashdot, I doubt you'll get an answer as to "why much ado is made about holes" from this crowd :)

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    2. Re:Question about "holes" by error_logic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Representing charge as "holes" is useful for current said to be flowing from a higher voltage (lacking electrons) to a lower voltage. The electrons are actually going from where they are in excess (giving a more negative charge) to where they are lacking. Therefore, the "holes" and electrons are trading places. It's like heat being dissipated, and saying "cold" is moving in.

      The way you describe the motion of electrons and holes as being equivalent but in opposite directions is a very good way to look at it; both are valid, and used interchangeably based on the situation.

      (Insert Standard Flow vs. Conventional Flow rant here)

    3. Re:Question about "holes" by GeffDE · · Score: 2, Informative

      Electrons are normally attached to an atom. However, at temperatures above absolute zero, some electrons from an atom can leave the atom. When an electron leaves an atom, it leaves behind a hole; because a hole can be thought of as an absence of an electron, it has the same magnitude charge, but opposite sign, and a hole is also mobile, just like a free electron. Just as electrons can spontaneously leave an atom, it can recombine with a hole, and they both "annihilate" each other; for any given temperature, the rates of recombination and creation of electron/hole pairs are equal at an equilibrium value. So, free electrons and holes are found in normal semiconductors, and because they are both charged and mobile, they are both charge carriers.

      Pure semiconductors, like crystallized silicon, are electrically neutral, meaning that pure crystallized silicon has the same number of holes as it has free electrons. However, crystal silicon (Si) can be doped with different atoms. Phosphorous (P) and boron (B) are most commonly used. Where silicon has four valence electrons, phosphorous has five (an extra) and boron has three (a deficit). When crystal silicon is doped with an impurity atom like P or B, that atom is incorporated into the crystal lattice of the Si, and this lattice is formed by four bonds between adjacent atoms. A bond is formed when an attached electron from one atom joins another electron from another atom. Si, with four electrons, loves making four bonds because it has no electrons left over; on the other hand, when P incorporates into the crystal lattice, it makes four bonds, but has an extra electron left over. If that extra electron leaves the P atom, it will not create a hole. Similarly for B, it has only 3 electrons, so when it incorporates into the crystal lattice, it makes four bonds and creates a hole. In silicon doped with phosphorous, there are more electrons than holes and vice verse for B-doped Si.

      The reason that much ado is made about holes is that they are different from electrons. A hole can move if it is filled with an electron that is bound to an adjacent atom because, as you said, the lack of an electron is then found on the atom the electron came from. However, if a hole is filled with a free electron, the hole does not move; instead, it is destroyed. When saying "an electron moved from point A to point B," one is talking about a free electron, which is not bound to an atom. When saying "a hole moved from point A to point B," one is saying that a series of electrons moved one atom over, thus displacing the absence of an electron from the atom at point A to the atom at point B. A hole moving is the same as a bunch of bound electrons moving one atom over in the opposite direction, but that is not the same as saying that a free electron moved in the opposite direction.

      As an aside, saying "a hole moved from point A to point B" is the same as saying "a free electron moved from point B to point A" from the standpoint of current flow. Just to maybe beat you over the head with it because of an unfortunate lack of distinction between unbound and bound electrons, a hole moving in one direction is not equivalent to one (unbound) electron moving in the opposite direction; in one case, you are moving a positive charge and a positive charge ends up on a different atom, while in the other case you are moving a negative charge.


      Sorry to go so in-depth, but I noticed a number of people grasping this difficulty and wanted to explain the whole thing so that ignorance wasn't bandied about anymore.

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    4. Re:Question about "holes" by Btarlinian · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, a "hole" is just the absence of an electron, which leads to a net positive charge for a particular atom. Kind of like a positive ion, but I think use of the term "ion" is limited to liquid solutions/gases/plasmas.

      First of all, holes are not the result of net positive charges in an atom. In silicon, you can create holes by replacing a silicon atom in the crystal lattice with a boron atom. Silicon has 4 valence electrons, but boron only has 3. Therefore, the silicon atom that is replaced by the boron could form 4 bonds with neighboring silicon atoms. The boron can only form 3. The remaining empty space is what we call a hole. Note that nothing is electrically charged.

      An electron can move and fill a hole, but leaves another hole behind in the location it just departed. So a "hole" moving in one direction is entirely equivalent to an electron moving in the opposite direction, is it not?

      If so, why does this term have any usefulness, if, instead of saying "the hole moved from point A to point B" you could just as easily say "the electron moved from point B to point A"?

      Help me understand why much ado is made about holes.

      A hole moving in one direction is not the same as an electron moving in another direction. A hole moves in the valence band while the electrons move in the conduction band. An undoped semiconductor (or any insulator for that matter) has a valence band entirely full of electrons. When you replace a silicon atom with the boron atom, there is now an empty space in the valence band, which we call a hole. Pretend electrons are "." and holes are "o" The valence band will look something like this:
      ...............o............
      In order for the hole to move from the middle to the left, 15 different electrons need to interchange places. One hole's movement cannot be modeled as one electron's movement.

      Now in an n-type semiconductor, i.e., when a silicon atom has been replaced with phosphorous or some other group V element, there's an extra valence electron. Since the phosphorous has 5 electrons, it can form all 4 bonds with the other silicon atoms, and will still have an electron left over. The extra electron will be forced into the conduction band. It will look something like this:
      oooooooooooooooooooo.oooooooooooooooooooo
      (You can replace all the holes with empty space since they're the same thing.) In order for the electron to move to the left, it can simply move across without any interference.

      That's why we differentiate between holes and electrons. As you can see, the electrons will have an easier time through the semiconductor than the holes. Therefore, the electrons have higher mobilities than the holes. Essentially, electrons move through a sea of holes, while holes move through a sea of electrons. But since holes are not real particles, the two cannot be modeled in the same manner.

    5. Re:Question about "holes" by GeffDE · · Score: 1

      Your characterization of n-type silicon is wrong. There are not a number of unfilled holes; instead, there is an extra electron that is not involved in any covalent bonds, and is free to move about. A better model, still in ASCII would look like this:
      .......:..........
      where the extra dot in the colon shows the extra electron.

      Additionally, that extra electron is not forced into the conduction band; some small minority will still be associated with an atom at room temperature. Additionally, the percentage of electrons in the conduction band is a function of temperature: at absolute zero, there are no electrons in the conduction band as there is no thermal energy that will give them the impetus to escape from the atom they are associated with.

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  45. But... by hax0r_this · · Score: 1

    Will a 100Ghz processor play Crysis?

  46. Re:Big question by fractoid · · Score: 1

    Man, how old are you? 40? :P

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  47. Graphene for sale by Muttley · · Score: 1

    A friend of mine works for Prof Andre Geim in the Mesoscopic Physics Group at University Manchester and was one of the people to first prepare graphene crystals. They have a spin off that is selling graphene flakes to some interested industry altho the demand is not huge at the moment. If you want to play with graphene flakes of your own you can check them out here.

    It is interesting stuff - I saw Prof Geim speak about it and it seems to me one of these areas where quantum theory and experiment intersect, such as with Bose-Einstein Condensates. It's not really my field but the preparation of them is interesting. M

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  48. New? by Thyamine · · Score: 1

    I didn't read the article (this is /. after all), but if it's made of graphite spread really thin (one atom thick), isn't it still just graphite? Just really thin? It sounds more like they discovered special properties in application of the material, as opposed to what it does when sitting in my pencil.

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  49. Imagine 100Ghz! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Still, 100th the switching delay is not a bad target to be aiming at... 100Ghz processing! Wow, that is some serious speed. Imagine if you tried to get an old Prescott P4 to run at not 3, not 4, but 100Ghz...You could run Far Cry, Prey and Crysis at the same time. Of course the heat would probably turn the planet to a gas, but there's a downside to everything I guess...
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  50. can you put a billion devices on a chip for $100? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    They are MANY materials with superior electronic characteristics to silicon. the original transistor industry used gallium, arsenic, and indium. However nothing comes close to a billion devices on chip for $100.

  51. Mod parent +1 Informative, pls. by wattrlz · · Score: 1

    That's the first time that's ever made sense to me. That's gottah count for something.

  52. Technical error by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    copper, the lowest resistivity material known at room temperature.
    Grammatical confusion notwithstanding, silver has a lower resistivity at room temperature than copper.
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  53. Sounds familiar by 3seas · · Score: 1

    So when the computer breaks down you can still use it like a pencil to finish your work.