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RIAA "Making Available" Theory Rejected
NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In a 25-page decision (PDF) which has been awaited for two years in Elektra v. Barker, Judge Kenneth M. Karas has rejected the RIAA's 'making available' theory and its 'authorization' theory, but sustained the sufficiency of the complaint's allegations of 'distribution' and 'downloading,' and also gave the RIAA 30 days to cure the defects in its complaint by filing a new complaint. The judge left it open for the RIAA to allege that defendant made an 'offer to distribute,' and that the offer was for "'the purpose of further distribution,' which, the judge held, would be actionable."
Come on people, save these announcements for days that I can trust the internet...
There's no way they can prove that the "defendant made an 'offer to distribute,' and that the offer was for "'the purpose of further distribution,'". Nail in the coffin. ;)
We can only hope that the RIAA captures all the dastardly pirates.
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The RIAA's undoubtably going to argue that the defendant's P2P software made the file available and that that constitutes the offer of distribution. The trick will be to neuter this argument, and that's going to have to turn on intent. If, for example, I have a table of books in my front yard with a sign saying "Take some", that's clearly an offer to distribute. But if I put a book down on the table on my front porch while I go inside to get something to drink, and while I'm gone someone comes along and takes the book, the book's arguably been distributed but I clearly haven't made any offer to distribute, the book was merely stolen. The argument's going to have to be that the defendant didn't know files in the shared folder would be offered for sharing, that they didn't have any reason to suspect that (non-technical people probably wouldn't, if all they did was use the software to download and never got into the technicalities (I do the same thing all the time, I use BitTorrent to download Linux ISO images with no intention of sharing them out again)), and that if they had known they would've done something to block the sharing (since they had no intention of doing it in the first place). You won't ever be able to win the argument that the files can always unconditionally be available without incurring any liability under any circumstances, but you can win the argument that merely unwittingly and unintentionally putting something down where someone else can take it doesn't incur liability (at least not until you've been told it's happening and have a chance to do something about it).
This is a civil matter. There is no overwhelming amount of evidence required.
The RIAA can still paint the defendants as Anarchist wife-beating child-hating petty thieves and win the case.
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WOA! Slow down there. Are you sure you want to make such an obviously inflamatory statement here on slashdot?
Here, let me fix it for you.
"takes the book, the book's arguably been distributed but I clearly haven't made any offer to distribute, the book was merely stolen^W^W^W^W^W^Wcopyright infringed"
There, much better.
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Think of it like this:
I place a pair of gloves on a park bench and walk away.
versus:
I walk up to someone sitting on a park bench and offer them a pair of gloves.
I think it was made pretty clear a bit up.
Making Available:
I see your car in your drive way on a walk and decide I like it. I look inside, I see the keys and the door is unlocked. I steal it. You made the car available unintentionally.
Offer to Distribute:
I am looking for a car like yours. Fortunately I see your advertisement in the newspaper, and follow the big signs to your house. You meet me in the lawn and hand me the keys.
You do realize precedent is only downward (and to some extent sideways).
Precedent set in one circuit does not hold for another circuit and only the Supreme Court can set precedent for all courts, and trial courts can't set precedent at all.
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I know this is about my rights, authoritarian regimes, digital music and all sorts of interesting stuff, but at the end of the day... I am convinced that the RIAA's position is that if they bore the shit out of the majority of the population with excessively long legal arguments that try to define and redefine the distribution of music, that people will probably stop caring. I know I have.
Thankfully there are people watching these guys so that the rest of us don't have to read the parts when groups like this try to redfine terms like "distribution." Virtual toast to you. I need a nap.
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A file title is not evidence of actual copyrighted infringement. I haven't heard a copyrighted single song the RIAA downloaded from a defendant played as evidence in a court of law. If I write BritneySpearsToxic.mp3 in this post, that is *not* evidence of copyright infringement no matter how many people link to this post from other sites, no matter how many screenshots the RIAA makes of files with any titles whatsoever.
The RIAA has no real evidence of copyright infringement to submit into any civil court. If I were a defense attorney I would make that extremely clear to the Judge and Jury. Explicitly, I would ask the RIAA "expert witness":
"Where is the actual song with content you copied from the defendant?"
"You said you didn't download any actual song with from the defendant?"
"How do you know the actual contents were not personal commentary about a song rather than copyright infringement distribution?"
"You don't *know* what the actual contents of the files you claim are copyright infringements actually are?"
"Motion to dismiss, with prejudice, attorneys fees, malicious prosecution, fraud, extortion, unlicensed spying, stalking, harassment."
Then, once the RIAA is forced to have to download/upload files in P2P streams, in order to substantiate evidence, they will be guaranteed to be on the hook for $150,000 per "accidental" infringement. And we can subpoena all records and files the RIAA and Media Sentry have downloaded and forward to the appropriate parties and authorities, not to mention grow the list of criminal RICO racketeering charges against the RIAA.
The RIAA "evidence" of file titles constituting copyright infringement is as absurd as writing dollar amounts on an internet thread constitutes counterfeiting.
$100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 $100 --- This is not "evidence" of counterfeiting, just as BritneySpearsToxic.mp3 is not evidence of copyright infringement.
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Here, cars work better
Think of it like this:
I place a pair of cars on a park bench and walk away.
versus:
I walk up to someone sitting on a park bench and offer them a pair of cars.
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I know you were joking, but there would be no copyright infringement on the part of the thief, he's not copying or distributing the "intellectual property", he's stealing the physical medium on which it was printed.
But, IANAL, YMMV, beware of dog, slippery when wet, etc.
I developed a newfound respect for Australians and their legal system last summer.
I was in my pool, and I happened to notice the warnings on the inflatables. It had three sections:
US: Do not leave children unsupervised. Not a life-saving device. Etc etc etc, about 5 or 6 lines worth.
UK: Not substantially different from US. Phrased differently, but effectively the same amount of material with the same meaning.
AU: Use only under competent supervision. That was it. All of it.
William of Ockham had no beard. The most likely explanation is that it was chewed off by squirrels every morning.
A better example here is if the 'thief' took pictures of every page of the book without taking the book itself. The 'thief' clearly commits copyright infringement, but the question is whether you commit copyright infringement by leaving the book outside where the 'thief' could easily find and access it.
It could happen...
I suspect the *IAA would argue it's more like leaving the book and a copy machine on the front stoop while you go inside, however that still doesn't constitute an offer to let other people use the copy machine to copy the book.
- "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men" -- Blue Oyster Cult, 'Godzilla'
yeah, because those few words are crafted as a general, catch-all, ass-covering notice. Anything goes wrong; you weren't using competent supervision. "but I was watching them"; then you're not competent - nothing can go wrong as long as competent supervision is provided. If that didn't wash, they'd write something more verbose.
To quote Humpy: "Almost anything can be attacked as a loss of amenity, while anything can be defended as not a significant loss of amenity."
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But you MUST admit, they are STEALING the music. If the law provides for retribution, either change the law as Sweden does and make it legal to pirate, or don't fucking break the law. Seems cut and dry to me. And I am a lawyer.
Riiiight. A lawyer. Sure. And I'm the CEO of Sony BMG.
In any event, I NEED admit nothing of the kind. Furthermore, I seriously doubt you're a lawyer, because if you were, you'd know the difference between committing an act of copyright infringement and stealing anything. Of course, you could be an RIAA attorney, in which case I would understand how such subtleties might escape you.
For some people, willful ignorance must truly be bliss.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
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Hmm... let's parse this...
"But you MUST admit" - Why?
"they are STEALING the music." - If they've stolen it, how come I can still hear it?
"If the law provides for retribution," - Please name a country that provides for retribution in the law... must countries either provide for restitution and correction or punishment, NOT retribution.
"either change the law as Sweden does and make it legal to pirate..." - Bzzt. Sweden neither makes it legal to pirate nor did it "change the law" -- Sweden holds (and has always held) that publishing where something illegal might be found is not in itself illegal. Piracy is illegal in Sweden, and is covered under hijacking and armed robbery laws. Copyright infringement is an offence that is covered under Sweden's copyright laws. Theft is covered under Sweden's theft laws.
"Seems cut and dry to me." - You need to get out more.
"And I am a lawyer." - I highly doubt that. If you are, please don't post anonymously, so I can make sure not to hire you in the future. I also notice you don't say what kind of lawyer you are or what country/state/province you are allowed to practice in. Trusting the opinion of a divorce attorney from Lithuania on a copyright case in the US is just insane. Plus, in most countries, lawyers have a code by which they do not publish opinions that could be construed as legal advice in public forums unless they feel qualified to defend that advice in a court of law. You can be disbarred for posting as you just did.
That's just.. wrong.
The most common mistake around precedent is confusing it with law. Just because something is a precedent, it does not mean that it is hard and fast law. Its an interpretation of law, at a specific time and place. As such, it carries no official weight.
Virtually any level of court can set a legal precedent that can (and will) be referenced by an arguing attorney. Certainly some precedents carry more weight than others (supreme court vs. a trial court), but lawyers will often cite trial law precedents in their arguments. The idea being that there is an established line of reasoning in the precedent that should be carried forward to whatever they are arguing. Thus, the only difference is that a supreme court precedent carries with it tremendous legal weight, particularly since that court has the right to overturn or amend decisions of the lower courts. Its hard to argue against a supreme court precedent when they will just turn around and shove it right back in your face after all.
However, at the end of the day, almost any court preceding can be referenced as a precedent for further argument.
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The RIAA must prove that she not only made the files public but also announced to some 3rd party that they can take them.
My "shared" directory is entitled "Private_Property_Dont_Download"
I'd love to see them take me on in court.
No, the problem is not people confusing precedent with law; the problem is people confusing precedent with stare decisis. Stare Decisis is the binding legal principle that lower courts must obey a higher court on holding. Precedent just means that it's happened before and, as a result, can be referenced.
The difference between the two is simple. If the Supreme Court says something and a trial court contradicts that finding, the trial court judgment can be thrown out on that basis. Trial courts can contradict each other all the time. The same happens with appeals courts in a specific circuit; if a trial court contradicts an appeals court of the same circuit, the appeals court as a matter of principle will just throw out the trial court finding (most of the time; there are of course exceptions that prove every rule.)
However, there is something to what you say that other, non-binding precedents can and are referenced; they often are. In fact, it's not really rare that references will be made to courts in other countries to support a specific line of reasoning, especially in matters of international law and so on.
But do not make the mistake of arguing that there is no substantive difference between stare decisis binding precedent and other binding precedent. Circuit courts disagree with each other on basic points of law all the time, regardless of non-binding precedent.
In this case, this is a trial court judgment in a specific circuit. It may be referenced by defendants or plaintiffs in another circuit. But there is no reason to assume it will be accepted by those circuits, or even in other courts in the same circuit at this point. In other words, if it is a victory, it is a hollow one in that respect.
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