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5.1 Sound Card Delivers 3 Streams of iTunes

An anonymous reader writes "How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house? Autonomic Controls demonstrated a unique solution at the recent Electronic House Expo (EHX). The company's Media Control Server EX software turns a PC with a 5.1 sound card into a three-zone music distribution server. (Add a second card for six outputs). At EHX, the solution was demonstrated with a multiroom audio system from NuVo, whose keypads could be used to browse and select songs, playlists, genres, artists, etc. The Autonomic software merges WMA and iTunes files into a single library for easy access." I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

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  1. Time is on our side... yes it is. by imstanny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have mixed feelings about this: on one hand, this is a really clever idea and a cool hack. On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating. DRM has never been a road block to innovation. At worst, it is a nuisance that will eventually be bypassed.
    1. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by lisaparratt · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I want to listen to psytrance, not acid house! :(

    2. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by mollymoo · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some.

      I tried that, but once I managed to get the piano set up I had difficulty working out which pedals did what and I couldn't see through the windscreen very well. Frankly, I thought it was a little dangerous. Now I only drive while playing the oboe.

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    3. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Funny

      Which airline do you work for?

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    4. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by TheLostSamurai · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can buy a decent used piano, or a nice guitar, for the price of all that stuff. Want music? Go play some. I tried that once but the guitar I bought was all messed up. It had all these strings where the buttons were supposed to be.
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    5. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by MadnessASAP · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right because everyone who buys music on iTunes is a retard right? According to Wikipedia iTunes has sold over 4 billion songs and out now the 2nd largest music provider. (Walmart was first) Now I couldn't find the # of individual users but I think you've just called quite a few people idiots. My guess would be they just don't care, they have an iPod and they have iTunes and everything just fucking works they don't care about backing up or fair use they just want to buy some music and put it on their iPod.

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    6. Re:Time is on our side... yes it is. by SlashWombat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By definition, 50% of the worlds population has an IQ that is "less" than ordinary ... So, yes there are a LOT of idiots out there. Obviously, a fair percentage have also managed to post on various forums out there. :-)

  2. Simple by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whatever happened to the right tool for the right job? Screw iTunes and buy DRM-free music from Amazon.

    1. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or buy DRM-free music from ITMS.

    2. Re:Simple by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices. With DRM-ed iTunes tracks the devices would have to be computers or iPods; with DRM-free music (which plenty of people, including iTunes, sell) they'd have to be computers or any old MP3 player. You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have. Not that I like DRM, I don't, but in this example iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle.

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    3. Re:Simple by op12 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amazon doesn't have all the titles that iTunes has.
      That's unlikely, they have way more titles:

      Apple now has 2 million songs from EMI and independent labels available without DRM, out of its 6 million-song catalog. Amazon offers 4.5 million DRM-free songs.
    4. Re:Simple by kyofunikushimi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah. Fairplay restrictions (quoted from Wikipedia):

      FairPlay-encrypted audio tracks allow the following:

              * The track may be copied to any number of iPod portable music players.[1]
              * The track may be played on up to five (originally three) authorized computers simultaneously.[1]
              * A particular playlist within iTunes containing a FairPlay-encrypted track can be copied to a CD only up to seven times (originally ten times) before the playlist must be changed.[2]
              * The track may be copied to a standard Audio CD any number of times.[2]
                          o The resulting CD has no DRM and may be ripped, encoded and played back like any other CD. However, CDs created by users do not attain first sale rights and cannot be legally leased, lent, sold or distributed to others by the creator.
                          o The CD audio still bears the artifacts of compression, so converting it back into a lossy format such as MP3 may aggravate the sound artifacts of encoding (see transcoding). When re-ripping such a CD one could use a lossless audio codec such as AIFF, Apple Lossless, FLAC or WAV however such files take up significantly more space than the original .m4p files

      At this time, it appears that the restrictions mentioned above are hard-coded into QuickTime and the iTunes application, and not configurable in the protected files themselves.

      An artifact of Fairplay is that it prevents iTunes customers from using the purchased music directly on any portable digital music player other than the Apple iPod, Motorola ROKR E1, Motorola SLVR, Motorola RAZR V3i,or iPhone.

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    5. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      iTunes DRM doesn't stop you playing your music on multiple devices. iTunes DRM stops your from playing your music on more than five computers. Once you hit that limit, you better hope you have access to the other machines to de-authorize them, otherwise you are stuck with resetting your auth completely (which you can only do once per year, if I remember correctly). This has bitten me more than once.

      You could burn a CD using either and use the CD player you already have. I don't want to burn a CD every time I buy something from iTunes just so I can listen to it on the way to work. It's annoying, cumbersome, and incredibly wasteful. Besides, if I'm going to burn music to a CD, I'm going to burn the MP3 and fit 10x the music on there (there are plenty of modern CD players that can handle this).

      iTunes reasonably permissive DRM doesn't present a very big hurdle I suffered iTunes for quite a while, hoping to figure out an easy way to deal with their DRM (like monitoring the directory I download the songs to and have QTFU automatically strip the DRM for me in a script). It worked, but it was a pain in the ass to manage and really didn't scale all that well with a huge library. Then I thought, "Why the hell am I jumping through all these hoops just so I can listen to music that I already paid for?"

      I am with the parent poster. Screw iTunes.
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    6. Re:Simple by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once you hit that limit, you better hope you have access to the other machines to de-authorize them, otherwise you are stuck with resetting your auth completely (which you can only do once per year, if I remember correctly). This has bitten me more than once. You have to be kidding or exaggerating. Since the first iPod and iTunes v.1.0, I've owned seven iPod devices and six computers with iTunes installed and have never come close to needing to reset my authorizations completely. Five computers and an unlimited number of iPods is MORE than plenty for the overwhelming majority of users out there. Resetting an account one time a year is also very reasonable, in case of that rare time I go through FIVE computers in one year and forget to deauthorize them.
    7. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to be kidding or exaggerating. No, and no. Your use case is not my use case.
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    8. Re:Simple by His+Shadow · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You have to be kidding or exaggerating.


      There is no amount of whining that is sufficient for some people. If an iPod gave you no strings attached sex for the rest of your life, dorks would complain because it didn't make your breakfast.

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    9. Re:Simple by mcpkaaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never said anything about an iPod. I was talking about the restrictions imposed by the DRM-laden m4p format.

      Next time you indirectly troll me, try to understand my point before sticking your foot in your mouth. Or better yet, keep it to yourself unless you have something remotely interesting to contribute.

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    10. Re:Simple by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although they still charge $0.30 per track to upgrade existing DRM-encumbered tracks to non-DRM tracks, they no longer charge a higher price to buy non-DRM (iTunes Plus) tracks.

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    11. Re:Simple by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Funny

      Crap dammit. I meant CD-RW.

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  3. Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm still waiting for a good solution to provide audio throughout my house.

    I've always loved the fact that through Yahoo Music (or Rhapsody) you can access any music you'd like via subscription. Greatest Party Toy ever!

    I've purchased many toys to try to accomplish bringing this to my livingroom, and my results have been varied. I purchased the D-Link DSM320 Media Lounge. This wireless player hooked up to a UPNP server on my computer and played music (and video) in my livingroom, with TV-Remote browsing. The problem: It only integrated with my personal library. No full 2-million track searching. This of course was a problem, because at parties, I want people to take full advantage of the 2 million tracks available (and I don't want to add justin timberlake to my personal library, just because people at a party want to hear him).

    I've tried a sansa connect (mp3 player). This was the best solution yet, although it was a small mp3 player, it connects via wireless network and allows the full catalog search. Yahoo Music has just announced they're closing and the Sansa Connect no longer will offer this functionality.

    I've tried Napster's Media Center Plugin- but it crashes regularly.

    I know that Tivo now offers functionality with Rhapsody- but I don't have cable, and I don't want to pay Tivo's subscription (not to mention high price for hardware I won't use).

    And of course there's Sonos- which has EXACTLY what I want, for about 4 times a reasonable price.

    I've chronicaled my adventures for anybody looking to learn from my mistakes: Digital Wireless Audio Age , and my review of the DSM-320 and 520.

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    1. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by argent · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's wrong with a low end mini-itx box with passive cooling?

    2. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by FredFredrickson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well the other half of the battle is getting something that looks good on a TV screen. Media Center would be perfect -but I've already tried this. It will only stream my current library- not integrate with the subscription services. And even then- it's clunky for providing sound to multiple rooms

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    3. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by shark72 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I enjoy the heck out of my Squeezebox Duet. A two-room system would be about $550, which is about half the Sonos price, so I guess it would be 2X a reasonable price for you. But it's still great.

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    4. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by earnest+murderer · · Score: 2, Informative

      What's wrong with a Airport Express? A hundred bucks per output. And a $25 more for a copy of Airfoil to patch your subscription service into that.

      I've been doing it for 4 years now (give or take) and love it. Had it come out a year earlier I could have saved a lot of dough on a high end CD player.

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    5. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by rfunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I synch together a SlimDevices Squeezebox v3, an old SLIMP3, and a couple machines running the SoftSqueeze Java client, all clients to a server running the SlimServer/SqueezeCenter Perl server.

    6. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by russellh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I have music throughout my house. . Lots of ceiling speakers indoors, and six outdoor speakers as well. Two amps - one run via iPod, one connected to a computer. It's wired up the good old fashioned analog way. But I suppose you mean and with the ability for any room to have its own different audio. That is still very expensive. And the fact is, I think it is absurd because it just cannot be cost justified versus a bunch of second-hand iPods each sync'd to a common computer. Ok, maybe you have a terabyte of music: well, then, have a few iPods. While I'd love to splurge on some fantastic super automated remote control solution, the bunch-of-ipods solution is still by far cheaper. It's easy and reliable to sync an iPod. Plus you don't need a media server running 24/7 when that one time you really, really need to access it, the network is down or it's crashed. You know it.

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    7. Re:Tech just isn't here yet... by smitty97 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For remote control, use one of the iPhone/Touch programs: Touchpad Pro or Telekinesis. I'm sure there are others.

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  4. Rear 5.1 outputs by dj245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sound chips for those rear 5.1 outputs are often lower quality than the front on many 5.1 sound cards. Something to think about.

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  5. Duh! by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house?

    Easy, download the MP3s from Kazaa or rip them from CD. The hard question is, why in Turing's name would anybody download something with DRM? That's just insane!

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    1. Re:Duh! by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Generally, I:

      1. Buy a track from ITMS or other DRM-crippled store. (Meh, I'm lazy.)
      2. Pirate the same track from a torrent site. I want a better-quality, unencumbered recording.

      I argue that they have my $.99, so I should get to listen to what I paid for. Better than just skipping to #2, I think, though it's a legal gray area.

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  6. I thought fairplay allowed you to register up to 5 by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As much as I hate DRM, it's presence in this case does not "necessitate" this application in any way.

    Fairplay allows up to 5 computers to share the same account key. As for larger households, well you asked for headaches anyway if you as parents have more than 4 kids who are the age most really get into music. I doubt you'll even notice one more.

    So it's not about DRM created necessity, it's about enabling an alternative to duplicating a library up to 5 times and paying for up to 5 times the storage and 5 times the power to keep that storage active. I personally am happy this choice is open to consumers.

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  7. This has nothing to do with DRM ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's all about combining your various music file collections into one virtual collection. This device is cool because it can merge all your disparate collections into one big playlist, regardless of format (and regardless of whether some of the content is DRM'd).

    BTW, it is *not* helpful to keep blaming DRM for everything and anything. It only dilutes the argument against DRM when your claims are false, giving ammunition to its defenders.

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  8. Just like Data! by Anonymous+Monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I can be just like Lieutenant Commander Data and listen to six different classical compositions at once loud enough to rattle a star ships windows! Now I just need to make a pun about rattling a star ships windows while running Linux.

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  9. O'Rly ? by The_Angry_Canadian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Add a second card for six outputs
    No wai !

    Add a third card for nine outputs
    Add a fourth card for twelve outputs !

    ... Add a beowulf cluster of cards and it'll summon Nathalie Portman to dance for you !
  10. Doesn't everyone have a whole-house audio system? by lancejjj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How do you distribute simultaneous streams of DRM-protected iTunes from a single computer to multiple rooms of the house? Would I really want three streams of centrally controlled audio from MY single 1U rack mount server with a single sound card coupled with a whole-house audio distribution system?

    Installing the analog wiring in all my rooms would cost me thousands of dollars. This seems like a very expensive solution to a problem that doesn't impact most people. It might make sense if you run a museum or something, with independent audio pumped into each room - but that's it. And it seems quite fragile to run - too many parts.

  11. Re:iPod, anyone? by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Um, yeah. I guess since iPods came out that no one wants to listen to music on speakers anymore, or listen to the same stuff as other poeple any more. Speakers are obsolete! Of course it's kind of a pain, when my husband and I want turn on some dinner music, that we each need separate iPods. We really don't might eating with headphones on and having a hard time hearing each other. And I'm sure that headphones providing bass that I can feel are right around the corner.

  12. Re:Something wrong here? by berashith · · Score: 2, Informative

    i think the .1 part is the subwoofer, but that is not required to only have the low tones. You can send a full spectrum through that line.

  13. It's called AirPort Express and AirTunes... by Byzandula · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to let my inner fanboi take over, but I've been using multiple AirPort Express to do wireless whole-house audio for some time with great success. You don't even have to use iTunes to deliver the audio. I use Airfoil from Rogue Amoeba software. It is an elegant solution and one that can be done at a reasonable cost.

    You can also burn the DRM music to CD in iTunes and then rip it into any format you want. It's a pain, but well worth doing. Not that I condone such behavior...

  14. Single Sound Card Multizone? by Zackbass · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm quite sure it isn't a novel idea but I haven't seen much info about it on the internets. A few of my friends and I got together last year to set up a similar system where we live. We use a plain old Soundblaster Live! Value card hooked up to four different zones (bathrooms). It's connected through a network drive to our music server and has a simple web interface to control the music in each zone. The web interface just controls four different instances of mplayer with the appropriate flags for rerouting the audio to the single channels. I'm sure the sound quality isn't great, but it's perfect if you like to air guitar with Dragonforce in the shower.

    We'll probably write up a guide on how to do it if we ever get slightly less lazy. It's really simple if you don't get hung up by Linux's sound support. But yeah, lazy.

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    1. Re:Single Sound Card Multizone? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Funny
      but it's perfect if you like to air guitar with Dragonforce in the shower.

      Actually, from what I've heard of Dragonforce'a music, I would end up emptying my bowels in the shower tray.

      I'm older than you, wiser than you, and therefore entirely correct to declare AC/DC as shower room air-guitar kings.

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  15. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Stop bitching about it and put the blame where it belongs, on the people violating the rights of the copyright holders. (see, the word "right" is built into the name")

    Everyone bitches about DRM and how much they hate it and how it violates their rights when most of those same people are violating the legally granted rights of the copyright holders. I am so fucking tired of hearing it.

    Pay close attention people:
    YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO INDISCRIMINATELY MAKE AND DISTRIBUTE COPIES. THAT RIGHT IS RESERVED, BY LAW, TO THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS. YOU HAVE A VERY LIMITED RIGHT TO MAKE COPIES OF COPYRIGHTED WORKS. IT IS ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE LAW. TRY READING IT SOMETIME.

    Now, some dumbshit is going to say "It's not really a right." Well, it is just as much a right as is equal access laws for the disabled and the right to vote of black Americans and women. All of those are rights granted by law.

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  16. DRM doesn't make it necessary by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, the fact that DRM makes something like this necessary is truly infuriating.

    It's convenient because you can buy one computer and one sound card and have music in three rooms, instead of buying multiple computers or really expensive Sonos appliances.

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  17. Re:non-Americans - where do you get your music? by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except if you are not in US, then you are screwed. Apple doesn't even "offer" ability to buy non-DRM, so they are out.
    Incorrect. Itunes Plus (which has a higher bitrate and drops DRM) is available outside the US as well. Currently only for EMI artist (iirc). These "plus" tracks have the same price as other tracks.
  18. Re:Boo fucking Hoo by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, if the copyright holders undermine the 'limited' part of that, what's wrong with violating the 'exclusive' part?

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  19. Jack Restasking in Intel HD Audio! by juventasone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm amazed no one has mentioned this, but when Intel defined the HD Audio specification in 2004 (used in most new computers sold today) it included an ability called Jack Retasking. This allows any jack to function as anything, including a second or third stereo output, or even additional microphones. The problem is hardware manufacturers still don't implement the entire specification, even though the specification is part of Vista's new audio architecture called UAA (also to be included in XP SP3).

    IMHO, fully implementing HD Audio would be the greatest audio enhancement for multimedia and home theater PCs since their conception.