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Microsoft Sets Three Week Deadline for Yahoo! In Public Letter

An anonymous reader writes "In a letter sent today, Microsoft writes to Yahoo's board of directors to tell them that they would like to 'negotiate a definitive agreement on a combination of our companies.' Their message is a combination of friend and foe: 'If we have not concluded an agreement within the next three weeks, we will be compelled to take our case directly to your shareholders.'"

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  1. Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by HerculesMO · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which means frankly, that MS is going to own Yahoo.

    I don't know if this is good or bad, but time will tell... The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, especially in the midst of this recession.

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    1. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by mkiwi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Personally I think it would be funny if Google and Yahoo got some sort of deal together like TFA suggests might happen. If you can imagine how mad Balmer would get after a top programmer leaves, just imagine what would happen if Yahoo tied itself to Google. He'd be freakin foaming at the mouth and no chair in the Seattle area would be safe from him.

    2. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Buying yahoo still won't turn their late entry into the web services* market into anything profitable. And the downside is? ;-)
    3. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, but it may just kill off Yahoo! which will be a shame.

      Time to find another place to host my discussion groups, and a new chat network.

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    4. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by digital19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No joke! Scanning msn.com right now the headline is 'is she divorced or just single, why it matters' and the three 'Popular Searches' are Naomi Campbell, Magnum P.I. and Mega Millions.

      What gutter demographic are they looking for with this? They should look at their absolute cr#$ tabloid journalism and lack of any substantial news as probable reasons why people choose yahoo over msn/hotmail.

      Instead they'll take over a company and wonder why it crashes in to the ground in a few years time.

    5. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by Adambomb · · Score: 3, Funny

      damn, i've been mistaking the use of chairs my whole life.

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    6. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by tyrione · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which means frankly, that MS is going to own Yahoo. I don't know if this is good or bad, but time will tell... The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, especially in the midst of this recession.

      Fortunately, for Yahoo shareholders Microsoft's stock is so diluted and volumetrically reached a point of saturation [they really should have taken Jackson's ruling and split into 4 separate corporations] that the upside of stock price potential is virtually within +/- 10 ticker points.

      If Yahoo shareholders are looking for a solid Dividend Stock they'd already own Microsoft. They are looking for a ROI that has a large upside and Yahoo has that leverage.

    7. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by jorghis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No joke! Scanning msn.com right now the headline is 'is she divorced or just single, why it matters' ....What gutter demographic are they looking for with this? Guys who date and like to read articles about things that they do. Dont worry, you would never see something along these lines on a website like slashdot. :)

      Incidentally, one of the headlines on yahoo right now is "Find inexpensive date ideas" so its not like they are really all that different.
    8. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by AJWM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $X worth of MS shares is just as good as $X.

      No, it ain't, because the value of MS shares varies according to the whim of the market. Now, that could mean that $X worth (nominal, at the instantaneous market price) could be even better than $X, or it could be worse. Certainly if a lot of people thought that "you can just sell them the instant you get them", they'd be worse than cash because the sudden dump of shares for sale on the market would drag the price down. (You've also got to figure in broker fees, etc).

      There's also the consideration that if it's MS that's offering the shares, then they're doing it from their own holdings -- thus diluting the value of existing stockholder-held MSFT shares.

      All this uncertainty means risk, whis is a factor by which you have to discount the value of those MSFT shares being offered vs the "equivalent" value in cash. Personally, I'd rather just have the cash.

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    9. Re:Well, it was nice knowing you Yahoo... by contrapunctus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I really want to agree with you but I teach at a small college and (almost) all my students couldn't care less about Microsoft and trust. They all have hotmail or msn or yahoo email addresses, lay it all out on facebook and myspace and they don't know about MSs tactics. So if MS is shooting for the (lucrative) young-and-ignorant demographic, they will succeed (people who know what they are in the minority).

      I've found that young people very trusting and don't care about privacy.

      So just like the rest of the sleazy successful businesses of targeting the ignorant (spam, late night commercials, mailings, etc.), they will find a big market and make money...
      Wal-mart doesn't make money by earning trust or catering to the elite either. Same market.

  2. Galactica? by tjstork · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft trying to take over Yahoo is old news. Microsoft threatening someone is old news. Techies should be rejoicing over the return of Galactica, and yet, what do we get here? Sadly, silence. Some geeks these days!

    To paraphrase Captain Kirk: "I mock your superior intellect."

    And Spock. "He is very intelligent, but his thinking is two dimensional."

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  3. Shit or get off the pot. by dpaluszek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on, Yahoo. I think Microsoft is being reasonable here, plus offering quite a bit. Even though I'm not a huge Microsoft fan, there is a thing called common courtesy.

    1. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by borgheron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sitting on the sidelines and saying what someone should do with a company they've built up from the ashes is very easy for you, but you have to consider what they're thinking. The people who founded Yahoo are free thinkers.

      Yahoo is thought of (or was, during the boom) almost like Google is today. It's hard to build something from nothing and then have someone threaten to take it away like this. MS is strong arming them. They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.

      If I were the yahoo management, I would be fighting MS with everything I have and looking for an alternate deal to screw them.

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    2. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by digital19 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that's exactly it. People want to frame this as 'it's a good deal now that we're in a recession'... as if economics was the only motivational factor behind anyones' existence.

      I would imagine Jerry Yang finds himself opposed to many of Microsoft's core operating principles.

      Undoubtedly, he will cringe when he types yahoo.com into his browser a few years from now.

    3. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by jorghis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The founders and management of Yahoo dont own the company, it isnt their decision nor should it be. The founders made the decision that they wanted to go public and basically sell the company to others. Sure, they built it from ashes, but they made the decision to sell it. (for quite a bit of money too)

      What is becoming apparant now is that they really just wanted all the money they got from selling the company to the general public, they didnt actually want other people to be the real owners of the company. You cant have your cake and eat it too, if you sell controlling shares of your company you have to accept that you cant just do whatever you want to with it, you have an obligation to act in the best interests of the shareholders. (the real owners of the company) If the founder of a company cant accept that he should just keep his company private.

    4. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by pclminion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.

      Boo-hoo. Those poor, poor billionaires. Their lives will have been meaningless.

      Don't want to be subject to hostile takeovers? Don't go public. And good luck making a few billion.

    5. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't want to be subject to hostile takeovers? Don't go public. And good luck making a few billion.
      More specifically, don't sell a majority interest of your company -- retain that 51% for yourself. Can still make billions, but don't risk getting strong-armed out of your own company.
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    6. Re:Shit or get off the pot. by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 2, Funny

      No problem, he must be already used to type google.com when he wants to do a search. After all, who would search in yahoo?

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  4. M$oft getting better every day! by no-body · · Score: 3, Funny

    and making a lot more friends on the way.

    Seems to become a staff/owner aging issue or they are getting desparate.

  5. Re:And then there were N..... by jmpeax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a world of open-source I don't see a world of open source. I see a world of closed source in which open source is making some small (but significant) strides.
  6. Re:oh teh noes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think you understand. In a publicly held company, the shareholders own the company. If they want money (and they do), they'll just vote out the board at Yahoo and vote in one that is in favor of being bought out.

  7. Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The shareholders hear only the sounds that money makes, and they are going to sell out quickly, ...

    Shareholders are supposed to sell when they receive an advantageous offer. Advantageous being a return that is more likely greater than holding the stock. What do you think shareholders are, some sort of fanboys? More importantly, why do think the founders of the company went public and brought in shareholders, it was so that the founders could pocket a lot of money. So now the story that the founders sold to the shareholders turns out not to be true, and the shareholders are looking for their best option. This is the way public financing works.

    ... especially in the midst of this recession.

    The motivation to sell in this specific case is not the recession but a failed business model.

    FWIW, the midst of a recession is usually the time to buy. The onset of a recession is usually the time to sell.

    1. Re:Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by MikeBabcock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Although I do frequently have to point out to people how the whole concept of publicly traded companies works, I must disagree with you on this point; Shareholders are not supposed to do anything. Shareholders are of course free to do whatever they want (with obvious illegalities like insider trading aside), but there is no "thou shalt" commandments list for shareholders.

      Personally, more shareholders should behave as what they are -- partial owners of the company, and therefore do what they believe is right for the company, the public, the environment, as they see fit, not just the bottom line, but they can buy or sell the stock whenever they like if they feel like doing so and have a seller/buyer available to do so.

      Basically, if most of your shareholders don't want the company sold because they think its a bad idea even if it IS financially advantageous, then good for them, and it won't sell.

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    2. Re:Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by saleenS281 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BWAHAHAH, you had me for a minute there!!! Oh... you were serious :( Welcome to the *free market* where the quick dollar is the mighty sword.

    3. Re:Shareholders are supposed to sell ... by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Now for the reality of a M$ deep pockets take over. If M$ wanted they could have simply announced the takeover bid and simply started buying shares. The big catch with that is, as it works in the current market, share price is a supply and demand, M$ in the buyout attempt creates an artificially high demand, how high will they go double, triple current values.

      So a lot of investor start buying Yahoo stock in competition to M$ in hopes of selling to M$ at an even higher price. The more M$ invest, the more pressure is on them to complete the transaction, otherwise they end up selling at a loss (demand collapses) when the buyout fails.

      What makes this buyout far more interesting is it all boils down the the bloated ego of Ballmer, how high a price can he be forced to pay in order to save face, will he go storming of in some drunken temper tantrum because nobody wants him running their company and pull out of the bid at the last moment. Of course there can be the crushing reality, should the EU block the takeover in Europe due to M$ already being a convicted monopolist and this would make the situation far worse.

      I myself would find the buyout interesting, just to see how quickly M$ could destroy Yahoo's market share once the takeover, how quickly Ballmer will convert a profit making Yahoo into a loss making MSN. You can bet one thing for certain, none of Yahoo's or MSN's, competitors will be protesting the takeover, Google, Ask, AOL, will all be rubbing their hands together as they expect a surge of new customers and quality employees, who will jump ship to get away from ballmer and M$.

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  8. Translation: by rastoboy29 · · Score: 2, Funny

    "We're determined to destroy both our companies, so hurry up and help us!"

  9. Does this mean ... by garett_spencley · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... that we'll be dressing up the Yahoo! logo as a borg ?

    That'd actually be pretty sweet.

    You know, despite being a Yahoo! mail user since the 90's who hates Microsoft as much as the next slashdotter, I actually hope they do merge now just so I can see that.

  10. Antitrust someone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't this sound like a case for antitrust? I don't think EU would approve it.

    1. Re:Antitrust someone? by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, because there is still large competition in the field (Google, AOL)

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  11. Driving the price down by HalAtWork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are they trying to drive the share price down? Is it against the law to put a company in uncertainty and controversy just for your own ends?

  12. Re:defaults by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Putting icons to users desktop and tricking users by Start menu didn't work well for MSN. Yahoo won because people have chosen it, not by a trap, by actually going to www.yahoo.com or getting their toolbar (as opt-in) from toolbar.yahoo.com . They have chosen Yahoo because it promises a minimal configuration need which definitely won't "punish" you for not using Windows OS.

    AOL purchased Netscape just for home.netscape.com start page for $5 billion. What happened when they made Browser irrelevant? People basically changed their homepage. People aren't that stupid.

  13. Re:And then there were N..... by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a world of closed source glass-clad skyscrapers, open source is the concrete and steel. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

  14. Re:And then there were N..... by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Two companies scrambling to maintain relevance, control and faltering business models in a world of open-source...

    a faltering business model isn't generally associated with a company that is reporting 15% growth in revenues in the states, 20% in the EU and 30% in places like China - each quarter.

  15. Re:What does Yahoo have that MS wants? by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What the hell does Yahoo have that MS wants so badly?

    about 16 million unique visitors to its web sites each month.

  16. Re:What alternatives are there to using Yahoo emai by Darundal · · Score: 2

    Lavabit. Decent storage, but AWESOME privacy.

  17. Re: Yahoo email alternatives by gabble-blotchit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ultimately, the shareholders of Yahoo! are its users. If they lose their users, their business is worth nothing.

    So the first question is:

    How do I let Yahoo know I'm bailing out of their email services if they turn into MicroHoo! ?

  18. Re:Micro-Who? by baomike · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You seem to have a little sympathy for Yahoo. I used to but, no longer. They did it to themselves.
    Other wise, yes , the combo of MSFT and yahoo is likely to be a "drain on resources". And it's going to be MSFT's . Oh joy Oh Joy.

    Now if MSFT would buy AOL all would be well with the world.
    Maybe they could diversify, maybe buy a airline, or Kmart ....

  19. Re:Realistically by eclectro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Resistance at $29.37 per share is useless. Actually, they could use a poison pill
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  20. Panic? by icsx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Microsoft must be real desperate for getting Yahoo to theirselves. Funny thing is that there is no one to stop them if the stockholders will sell.

  21. Re:Well, it was nice knowing Zimbra too... by BOFHelsinki · · Score: 2, Insightful

    YPL also requires the preservation of all copyright and attribution notices within modified versions of the ZCS Open Source Edition.

    You should have bolded this part. I skimmed over it twice before it hit me how much it means.

  22. Zimbra by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the hell does Yahoo have that MS wants so badly?

    Zimbra is the significant viable competition to Exchange, which is Microsoft's stranglehold on 'enterprise' computing. This group would like the government to stop the deal on anti-competitiveness grounds.

    I think Yahoo! knew what would happen when they bought Zimbra and they know how important it is ($$$) for Microsoft to own it.

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