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Meteorites May Have Delivered Seeds of Life On Earth

esocid writes "At the national meeting of the American Chemical Society, scientists presented evidence today that desert heat, a little water, and meteorite impacts may have been enough to cook up one of the first prerequisites for life. The result of that brew could be the dominance of "left-handed" amino acids, the building blocks of life on this planet. Chains of amino acids make up the protein found in people, plants, and all other forms of life on Earth. There are two orientations of amino acids, left and right, which mirror each other in the same way your hands do. These amino acids "seeds" formed in interstellar space, possibly on asteroids as they careened through space. At the outset, they have equal amounts of left and right-handed amino acids. But as these rocks soar past neutron stars, their light rays trigger the selective destruction of one form of amino acid."

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  1. Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    We discussed something similar to this here where they found organic molecules in a Canadian meteor.

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    1. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The idea that nucleic acids and other organic building blocks were delivered to Earth from a meteor is not new. In fact, I remember reading about that in a space book when I was 5.

      Personally, I think that whether or not the "seeds of life" originated here or came here on a meteor is a stupid idea, as it's not where they came from that is even remotely interesting, but how they came to be in the first place. If they originated here, then an asteroid impact may have scattered them elsewhere, and there may be other bewildered life forms on other planets wondering where they came from, or vice versa. What difference does it make?

      What I want to know is how complex organic molecules were formed into self-organising, self-replicating structures. Bigfoot is not the missing link. How we got to elemental material spewed out from a supernova to DNA, *that's* the missing link.

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    2. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by MrNaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "How we got to elemental material spewed out from a supernova to DNA"
      Should read:
      "How we got from elemental material spewed out from a supernova to DNA"

      I'd say I didn't preview, but that excuse no longer exists. I guess I'm just a tard :(

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    3. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by ampathee · · Score: 3, Informative

      What I want to know is how complex organic molecules were formed into self-organising, self-replicating structures. Bigfoot is not the missing link. How we got to elemental material spewed out from a supernova to DNA, *that's* the missing link. For the answer, I recommend you read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins. It's a very well written and interesting book which answers that exact question. I just finished it a couple of months ago.
    4. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by 24-bit+Voxel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe complex organic molecules form into self-organising self replicating structures BECAUSE they were delivered from elsewhere. The two need not be mutually exclusive.

      What if the "seeds" of life require foreign interference to mutate into life. I don't understand how we can evaluate a missing link if we don't know where all the components came from. The Earth could have been an unfertilized egg waiting to be inseminated. For that reason how they came to be is just as interesting as where they came from especially if they are intertwined.

      Imagine the odds that would have to be overcome if it takes a specific type of meteor to react with a specific type of dead planet to make life. If that is true the odds of the right elements being present in both cases could be so high that they could be conceivably called divine. It would be pretty funny as well if the chain reaction took 7 days.

    5. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, that book is an evolution (pardon the pun) of the theory of evolution. It deals with what happened (in RD's view) *after* the avalanche of life had been triggered.

      What I was asking was, what was the first snowflake that started that avalanche. Wake me up when people have started caring about that, coz I don't see much discourse on that subject in the scientific media.

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    6. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by MrNaz · · Score: 2

      Maybe

      Dude, really, read more. And think more too, thinking more is good.

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    7. Re:Discussed Organic Material in Meteor by BRUTICUS · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree, I find it very interesting. The visual analogy of a sperm fertilizing an egg replicated in life being fertilized on a planet? Beautiful.

  2. This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    It means that there is only a 50% chance we are edible for aliens!

    1. Re:This is good news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The better news is that we're 100% edible to each other. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go finish reading my copy of How to Serve Man.

  3. God vs. ...that. by 75th+Trombone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a feeling a creation vs. evolution flamewar is about to start. Creationists will be creationists, but everyone else just think for a second:

    If you were an average joe, not even a stupid joe but an average joe, which honestly sounds more convincing: 1) A supreme being did it, or 2) blah blah amino acids blah blah meteorites blah blah neutron star light rays blah blah?

    So y'know, take it easy on the creationists. They may not understand how science works, but when faced with an article like this, can you really blame them?

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    1. Re:God vs. ...that. by Dada+Vinci · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, you've actually hit on one of the main creationist talking points -- "what are the odds that we'd all have left-handed amino acids, instead of a random mix that wouldn't work?" I'd be intersted to hear how they respond. I'd imagine with the same response as always (God put it here), but who knows. A good theory of why left-handeness is preferred (at least among amino acids) is a pretty big deal.

    2. Re:God vs. ...that. by khallow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They may not understand how science works, but when faced with an article like this, can you really blame them? Poorly written news articles don't excuse flawed thinking. One shouldn't depend on shallow news stories or vague religious texts for explanations of the physical world.
    3. Re:God vs. ...that. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So y'know, take it easy on the creationists. They may not understand how science works, but when faced with an article like this, can you really blame them?

      Really, you should have gotten a +1 Funny not a Troll mod. Fact is, those are exactly the kind of people that bring down civilizations, so going easy on them isn't an option. So far as not understanding science ... well, it's not my fault they didn't pay attention in 7th grade science class. If they don't understand what they're talking about they should either educate themselves or just shut up.

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    4. Re:God vs. ...that. by WaltBusterkeys · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm trying to understand why the above is a troll. This is a big deal theory.

    5. Re:God vs. ...that. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Funny

      "A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."

      vs.

      "A rock from space covered in particular chemicals crashed into the earth three billion years ago, and through a process of self-replication and environmental pressure, these chemicals produced more complex molecular structures, leading to life as we know it."

      Yeah, Christianity is so much more plausible.

    6. Re:God vs. ...that. by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 5, Funny

      For not being plausible, there sure are a lot of people calling on God to save them during moments of suffering and death.

      Of course they do, God made them to suffer, so only God can make it stop. We're all victims, pleading with a serial killer before He finishes His grisly work.

    7. Re:God vs. ...that. by the+cheong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "what are the odds that we'd all have left-handed amino acids..."

      In econometrics, I learned this to be "Sample Selection Bias". The odds that we'd all have left-handed amino acids might be nill. However, the odds that we'd all have left-handed amino acids GIVEN that we've become conscious beings able to analyze such a thing?

      I mean, maybe there WERE a lot of failures. But somewhere in the universe, ONE worked. And BECAUSE we worked, we're able to wonder about it.

    8. Re:God vs. ...that. by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems there's a lot of people out there who think that this or that scientific discovery will make all the creationists wake up and finally abandon creationism. Not going to happen. You just can't reason somebody out of something they weren't reasoned into in the first place.

    9. Re:God vs. ...that. by dookiesan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You may as well not believe in plate techtonics because we can't yet move a mountain. We will accomplish that goal of artificial life in a lot less than a billion years if we don't go extinct before then.

      Even hard proof that we were derived from random evolution should not shake anyone's faith in God.

      A person may claim to see colors and hear sounds and have other subjective experiences. The more we learn about the brain the less need there is for any of these subjective things to exist. Science is explaining away all of your behaviors and someday may explain everything you do based on predictable simulations of the neurons in your brain. It may even predict that you will claim to experience the world and "see" colors and other things that don't exist. This doesn't shake my faith that you still experience the world though!

    10. Re:God vs. ...that. by dibblda · · Score: 5, Funny

      WEll..... try here: http://objectiveministries.org/creation/sciencefair.html 1st Place: "Life Doesn't Come From Non-Life" Patricia Lewis (grade 8) did an experiment to see if life can evolve from non-life. Patricia placed all the non-living ingredients of life - carbon (a charcoal briquet), purified water, and assorted minerals (a multi-vitamin) - into a sealed glass jar. The jar was left undisturbed, being exposed only to sunlight, for three weeks. (Patricia also prayed to God not to do anything miraculous during the course of the experiment, so as not to disqualify the findings.) No life evolved. This shows that life cannot come from non-life through natural processes. 2nd Place: "Women Were Designed For Homemaking" Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking: physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, not as a co-worker.

    11. Re:God vs. ...that. by witherstaff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just thought I'd point out that the 'space seed theory' is nothing new. Panspermia has been around a long while. In the modern form since the 1800s.

      I agree that many times it does seem that observation based science is lacking. However 'creation scientists' strikes me as as misnomer, unless there's a branch of creationists that believes the world is older than 6000 years old. Christian scientists, or religious scientists sure, no problem.

      For those with faith the hypothesis that life might not have originated on Earth shouldn't be a big deal. The origin of the space life, or the origin of the big bang can still be handled very well within the realm of most religions. If you're a Scientologist it's a given life didn't start here!

      Sure life from space shoots the story of Genesis but if the entire bible is to be taken word for word literally, I'm dissapointed that the museum of natural history has no displays for the unicorns and dragons mentioned in it. Let alone the species of whale that would make very eco-friendly human water transport systems ALA Jonah - provided you can stand the smell of whale gut for 3 days.

      Faith and science, unless they hit the extreme spectrums, do not have to be mutually exclusive.

    12. Re:God vs. ...that. by Peaker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anything that can be created by evolution Evolution is not the origin of life, it is the origin of species.

      The origin of life is thought to be some event whereby a self-copying structure was formed. Many believe this event is extremely rare. Perhaps it happens so rarely, that on one out of trillions of planets, in one of trillions of seconds, it happened by chance.

      It is possible that this event cannot reasonably be catalyzed in a non-intrusive way. For example, maybe you can increase the odds by a factor of many millions, by putting forth the correct chemicals, but you might still be a factor of billions behind if some rare reaction is necessary. If you try to catalyze it by causing the chemical reaction then the experiment may lose credibility.
    13. Re:God vs. ...that. by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

      (Patricia also prayed to God not to do anything miraculous during the course of the experiment, so as not to disqualify the findings.

      Oh man... I *so* want to be the one grading the projects and to sit down and talk with sweet little Patricia about her science experiment. I would be abundantly enthusiastic and impressed with all of her scientific work as I went over the various aspects of her project. I would be particularly impressed and particularly commend her on her thoroughness in considering that God could potentially interfere with the experiment and specifically praying to God not to do so...

      then I would get a thoughtful look on my face, and say "hmmmmmmm......"

      Hmmmmm, Patricia, your excellent work just made me think of something. I'm impressed by how you scientifically accounted for possible supernatural influence in the experiment, but are you certain you accounted for all such possible effects? You accounted for God, but is God the only potential influence? What about Satan? Did you scientifically account for Satan? What if a charcoal briquet, purified water, and a multi-vitamin *do* spontaneously create life when left in the sun, but what if Satan interfered and kept killing any such new life just because he wanted to invalidate your findings?

      You've done some excellent science work so far Patricia, and I don't want to score you badly for the oversight and inconsistent treatment of supernatural influences, so I'm going to let you take your project back so you can fix it. Do a new write up addressing the problem, and possibly re-do the experiment if necessary, and then bring it back to me when the problem is solved.

      Okay, I'm a cruel bastard with a twisted sense of humor. Chuckle.

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    14. Re:God vs. ...that. by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      as usual, an epic fail in the understanding of science and evolution.

      evolution is what happened AFTER self replicating molecules happened. a rock doesn't just turn into a tin can as some massive retards try put forth, trillions of chemical reactions per second would have to happen for a billion years before you MIGHT run across a combination which has the ability to recreate itself.

      the difference between the scientists trying to explain this and religous people doing the same, is the scientists openly admit they don't know, where the religous factions can't stand the idea they don't.

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    15. Re:God vs. ...that. by pkphilip · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even hard proof that we were derived from random evolution should not shake anyone's faith in God. Before we can arrive at any *hard proof* of evolution, we will first need to know what it takes to create a self-replicating organism in the first place. We are no where near knowing the different steps it takes to deliberately create a living unicellular organism.

      When we don't even know this, we cannot reasonably postulate the different evolutionary stages required to create this same organism.

      Anything that can come about by evolution can be deliberately engineered. If not, why not?
    16. Re:God vs. ...that. by jdagius · · Score: 2, Interesting
      >> I'd be interested to hear how they respond.

      I view the the creation story in Genesis as a literary fable, but believe that the creation and evolution of life is the result of an "intelligent design". Yes, parts of it appear to behave randomly, but all life is "derived" (using a software design metaphore) from abstract "foundation classes" i.e. sets of universal templates and behavioral principles, that permit life to be instantianted and elaborated with form to match needed functionality.

      So, for example, I would not be surprised to travel to another planet and find creatures with teeth, arms, legs and brains similar to those found in terrestial creatures. I would not be surprised to find creatures swimming in extra-terrestial oceans with fins and shaped like our fish. etc.

      Also, I don't think this idea conflicts with the teachings of Jesus at all. It is well-known that the "genetic code" is a kind of language where triplets of nucleotides ("codons" => words) denote individual amino acids and sequences of codons (=> sentences) are interpreted by RNA to produce proteins. It seems to me that you could interpret these "sentences" as the very Word of God.

      In fact, that's exactly how one could interpret Jesus' Parable of the Seed (Luke 8:5-8:16)

      "A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. "
    17. Re:God vs. ...that. by Tiberius_Fel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think that it's true that you cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into. I was raised to believe in a certain religion but I was talked out of it (not all at once, mind you). I guess a more accurate thing would be to say that the problem is that these people aren't susceptible to reason in the first place...

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    18. Re:God vs. ...that. by Guido+von+Guido · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Before we can arrive at any *hard proof* of evolution, we will first need to know what it takes to create a self-replicating organism in the first place."

      Evolution (and the evidence for it) does not depend (logically or otherwise) on the origin of life. It doesn't really matter if the first self-replicating organism developed in a pool on the beach or in a deep-sea thermal vent, if it came from a meteorite from somewhere else, or if God poofed it into existence.

      To suggest that evolution depends on this in any way is just moving the goal posts around.

    19. Re:God vs. ...that. by drerwk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also called the Anthropic Principle

    20. Re:God vs. ...that. by db32 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The main creationist talking point stems from a piss poor understanding of math and probability as well. My favorite explanation was actually Douglas Adams. It had to do with since a point has 0 dimensions there is an infinite number of points on a dart board. The tip of a dart represents a single point. When you throw the dart at the dart board and you calculate the probability of the dart hitting any specific point you arrive at 1 / (infinite) and it becomes impossible to hit any specific point on a dart board. Yet the dart will still hit.

      It seems funny to me that the whole thing stems from "the probability of that happening is so small that it couldn't possibly happen". No...the probability of that happening is so small that it makes it a near miracle that it happened. That is the whole damned point of probability. Determining the frequency of an event that COULD happen.

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    21. Re:God vs. ...that. by jc42 · · Score: 2

      With all of that said, I have to say that the evolution crowd is often guilty of over-reaching by concocting hypothetical ways life may have originated. See Richard Dawkin's "The Blind Watchmaker" for a really good chuckle about how life began as clay.

      Well, I wouldn't call that over-reaching. Granted, the origin of life is a different topic than the subsequent evolution of millions of species. But there's an obvious relation between the two. I'd sorta expect evolutionary biologists (and other interested scientists) to at least consider the question of how it all started.

      As for those clays, I'd just list that as an interesting hypothesis. It's difficult to test, but so are all the other hypotheses about life's origin. So what we'd expect scientists to do is come up with as many such scenarios as they can think of. If we get them all out on the table, maybe others will come up with some useful tests.

      The "panspermia" hypothesis isn't really a true origin hypothesis, of course. It merely removes the question from the Earth by suggesting that the origin may have been elsewhere. Astronomers explained several decades ago how micro-organisms can be expected to travel about the galaxy. Astronomers have also pointed out that the Earth's "dust tail" (much like a comet's tail, but thinner) contains lots of dust particles the size of bacterial spores, and the Earth has almost certainly been spraying this dust out into the galaxy for a few billion years. Presumably this happens with any other planet that has bacterial life. We don't really know much about the long-term viability of such spores over the many millions of years it would take to colonize another planet, but the scenario is reasonable according to our current data. It's likely that all those dust clouds out in the galaxy contain a tiny percentage of dormant bacterial spores, and some of them came from our Earth.

      There's also the recent discovery of bacteria many kilometers down by the various deep-drilling projects. This has led to a "hot rock" scenario for the origins of life. This is also difficult to test, but it's another interesting hypothesis.

      You can't stop scientists from making up hypotheses about such things, any more than you can stop the religious folks from claiming that their god did it. The main difference is that the scientists don't take them seriously until someone can turn up some good evidence.

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    22. Re:God vs. ...that. by Tesen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Faith isn't about rationality (this may piss off a few people, but it is true); faith is about a confidence that something created or set things in motion. If you subscribe to the Christian view, then the end result of this thing we call life is either eternal hell or eternal paradise (I have issues with these concepts even as a Christian - perhaps I am by my own beliefs not a true Christian). As a science type myself, my faith gives me confidence that there are rules to the universe and that the rules we are trying to learn exist for a reason and do not arbitrarily act in contradiction to one another.

      Q: "how is this idea any different from an atheists viewpoint other than what started it all (which atheists generally have no viewpoint on)?"

      A: There really is no difference; I feel compelled to explain the creation of this universe is because a Supreme Being made it so. From an atheists stand point, it is irrelevant if God created the universe or not, if we're just examining the rules of this universe. Our ideas diverge, when you as an Atheist attempt to explain what created the big bang; I believe a Supreme Being, you may believe another universe fell apart and our universe started as a tiny fragment of another, or this is the 2nd to nth time our universe has expanded and collapsed.

      Q: "What relevance does God have now that he's set the rules of the universe (physics et al) in place?"

      A: Truth is, I don't know. If God is all powerful, then God has seen the beginning and the end of his creation. I.e. God is timeless, so right at this moment is He relevant, on a linear scale? Perhaps not, but on a grander scale live by my rules and there will be a place for you in heaven, then I'd have to say yes.
      See my other attempt to answer one of your questions:

      Q: "Does God ever interfere with the universe (changes the rules, even on a local or minute scale) for his own purposes (e.g. Jesus walking on water, Moses parting the sea, other misc miracles)?"
      A: Refer to my attempt to answer above; if he has seen all, then he has already set things in motion that will caused Moses to part the sea, if He is all powerful and created this construct, then He has the intimate knowledge needed to cause an odd force of some kind to pull the sea apart. Because we can't explain why it happened, does not mean it did not and was not programmed (if you will) to happen.

      So is this interference or preordained based on the rules He wrote for the verse? I dunno, I think that is up to the individual to decide.

      A: If so, why? And does this have any effect on how one should live their life?

      Q: Dunno on the first part, I am not God, hehe. Everything that happens around us has the potential to affect us. This is where it gets tricky though, if God has absolute control over the rules of the universe, does that mean we still have free will? Or is the shape of the universe (and of us) already determined based on the programming He has done? I don't really know for sure; if you take it at face value that we are defined by the rules He has created, then no we do not. But is this really true? It is conceivable that God created the rules of the universe, physics etc and how we evolve but left out any programming on how we as individuals operate (though human nature would seem to indicate certain tendencies were programmed in - and yes, the tendency for violence is one of the things I am really pissed off about).

      Q: is there ANYTHING about your belief structure that changes how you should live your life?

      A: My questions change. I did not believe in God for so long, I am still not 100% sure why I started to believe again I was so hard core science type and a total atheist. But no matter the questions I asked science, certain things in my life still did not make sense (very personal reasons I'd rather not discuss); somewhere along the way during a physics class, certain faith based opinions and views started to emerge in my skull, some of them I found reassuring some scared me.

      Maybe

    23. Re:God vs. ...that. by stoomart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      My original post was in response to db32 statement that the problem with creationists is a "piss-poor" understanding of probability and this statement:

      It seems funny to me that the whole thing stems from "the probability of that happening is so small that it couldn't possibly happen". No...the probability of that happening is so small that it makes it a near miracle that it happened. That is the whole damned point of probability. Determining the frequency of an event that COULD happen. I am in no way asserting that I have as much knowledge about science as any other ordinary person on here. I would however assert that I probably have more knowledge and understanding about things of a spiritual nature than most unbelievers on here. Science and faith in God should not ever be used to discount each other. Science should be used to explain that which can be explained and observed using the scientific method and faith in God should be used to explain the things of the spiritual world and life.

      I agree that from a strictly scientific perspective, the theories of evolution are the most probable of any other explanations about the origin of species. For myself, I believe in a spiritual realm which involves a God based on my own experiences. Because I believe in God, I subscribe to His account of creation which made everything in a mature form, such as the universe, the earth as well as every living thing on it. If God does exist, do you not agree that He would have the power to make everything in it's current form, showing the evidence of it's prehistoric nature? Just think, He didn't make a fetus, He made a Man.

      If someone wants to base their entire belief about why we are here strictly on science and that which is seen, that is their choice. Honestly, I don't believe any person has the capacity to fully reject the fact that there is a God because He built into every person a sense or knowledge of their creator, all they can really do is suppress the truth, in unrighteousness as the bible says. I don't believe in atheists and if you are one and think I'm full of crap, ask yourself if you would pass a lie detector test with the question "Do you believe in God?"

      In Christ's love, stoo
  4. Space sperm by Nimey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Makes sense in a way: the meteors are sperm, the Earth the egg, the orbital bombardment the BDSM.

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  5. Amino Delivery: Under 30 Eons or your money back by teebob21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting read. It has been one of the more pressing questions of the theory of biogenesis: where did the first organic matter come from? I have always found chirality and the left-handed nature of Earth's proteins to be more than mere coincidence.

    It is strange that our location in the galaxy led to a slight imbalance in the amount of gravitationally polarized light striking chunks of rock and metal floating in a cosmic dance 4 billion years before I was born....yet that combination of factors resulted in the alanine in my body to contain only the left-handed chiral.

    Studies like this are the cause of my personal religious dilemma. Most of the major religions came about 1500-5000 years ago...and at the time they were conceived, they convincingly explained every natural occurrence well enough to placate the masses. I wonder what the Pope would have to say about this study...was God a southpaw??

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  6. So this is news? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Funny

    The fact that meterorite showers brought life to our planet is no mystery to me. See, I lived in Smallville for a while and I've seen things you wouldn't believe.

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  7. Nearby Neutron Stars? by Fifth+Earth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "All earthbound meteors catch an excess of one of the two polarized rays." [which are generated by neutron stars]

    Doesn't this imply that there is a neutron star somewhere in the immediate vicinity of Earth that's zapping all our incoming meteors? Wouldn't we, um, notice?

    I mean, neutron stars are pretty rare things (~2000 known in our galaxy, nearest known is 280 lt/yrs away). I find it improbable that a significant majority of the incoming material has passed by one at some point in its life.

  8. Preventing Unwanted Earths by mbstone · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now that we know that life as we know it sprang from meteorite-sperm, we owe it to the rest of the Universe to immediately deploy Dyson condoms.

  9. Thought it had already been explained by MrKevvy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the left-handed chirality bias had already been explained by the non-conservation of parity in the electroweak force. The L enantiomers have a slightly lower binding energy, so in any mole of racemic amino acids you'll have about a million excess on the L side, which is enough to tip the balance.

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    1. Re:Thought it had already been explained by MrKevvy · · Score: 4, Informative

      re: "Citation?"

      TY - JOUR
      JO - Molecular Physics
      PB - Taylor & Francis
      AU - Tranter, G. E.
      TI - The parity violating energy differences between the enantiomers of -amino acids
      SN - 0026-8976
      PY - 1985
      VL - 56
      IS - 4
      SP - 825
      EP - 838
      UR - http://www.informaworld.com/10.1080/00268978500102741

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    2. Re:Thought it had already been explained by Alsee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      According to your link "The parity violating energy differences between enantiomers are small, of the order 10[^]-14 J [per] mol". If I have my information right the thermal energy of one mole at room temperature is something like 2.4*10^3 J per mole. So random thermal jostling will swamp the cited effect by a factor of around 100,000,000,000,000,000. It's kinda like dropping ping pong balls from the space shuttle during a hurricane, and saying more ping pong balls will land in North Carolina than South Carolina because the ground in North Carolina is on average one billionth of an inch lower than the ground in South Carolina. Technically true, but the bouncing and winds are so much more powerful than a billionth of an inch average altitude difference that you still have nearly a 50-50 chance of finding more ping pong balls in South Carolina at any particular moment.

      Unfortunately the linked paper costs $35 so i didn't get to read it, but I'd be somewhat surprised if they claim it has any solid role in the startup of life. On the other hand this meteor story shows far more potential. If a meteor can create a crater-pool with 45%-right amino acids and 55% left amino acids, and the 45% rights can pair up with 45% lefts to crystallize out, then you can end up with only the last 10% lefts still in a rather substantial all-lefts solution.

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    3. Re:Thought it had already been explained by tinkerton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I at least can recall the following. We have plenty of stereospecific molecules to the extent that sometimes the lefthanded molecule of something is good for us while the righthanded variant is poisonous. It doesn't mean that for every molecule in nature only one handedness will occur. Amino acids are nearly always lefthanded. Google for "homochirality".

      If we create a mirror case for the current biological condition where all lefthanded molecules are replaced by righthanded and vice versa, this condition would be equally plausible.

      The idea of symmetry breaking is that each of the conditions is equally plausible but mutually exclusive, and that a small perturbation early on would magnify to result in complete dominance of one variant. The origin of this perturbation is trivial, a butterfly flapping its wings if you wish, the important thing is the magnifying effect.

      Parent post refers to a modification of that idea, where the two conditions are not exactly similar but there is actually a slight preference for one of the conditions. In the first case on half of the planets with life will have lefthanded life, the other half will have righthanded life. In the second case, all life is lefthanded.

  10. Re:Run for your lives! by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ned Flanders for one welcomes our new left handed amino overlords.

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  11. And still doesn't answer anything.... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where did those amino acids come from?

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    1. Re:And still doesn't answer anything.... by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This is just another possible piece in the jigsaw puzzle.

      It's a bit churlish to say this doesn't explain anything. It just doesn't explain everything. This early on in the game there are still lots of threads to pick up in the story. When you watch a murder mystery, do you start complaining after a couple of scenes because they haven't found the murderer yet? Or perhaps you're too used to columbo...

      give them a chance to figure it out, it's not like the emergence of life is some kind of trivial problem to understand.

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  12. Re:What the... by calcapt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, proteins are simply chains of amino acids. It's really cool if you think about it; amino acids have amino and carboxy terminuses. The carbon in between these 2 are hooked up to a variable side chain with varying chemical structure/properties depending on the amino acid.

    But, moving along, the carboxy and amino terminuses are perfectly capable of linking up via chemical reactions. It wouldn't be a stretch, taking into account the conditions of ancient Earth, that amino acids in the "primordial soup" just kept linking up and polymerized under favorable conditions, generating complex proteins.

    Personally, this is why the evolution of early life is so interesting to me. The modular structure of DNA, RNA, and proteins, coupled with phospholipids (which spontaneously form cell like compartments in water), if all these are thrown into early earth conditions, spontaneous creation of life seems very, very possible.

  13. sounds like a non-issue by nguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure left handedness needs such a far fetched explanation. It makes sense for cells to pick one handedness or another, otherwise they need twice the machinery. And there are plenty of pathways that connect different amino acids and other compounds, so if one of them is left handed, chances are most of the rest are as well. And which handedness it ended up being may just have been chance.

  14. You're doing it wrong by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't see much discourse on that subject in the scientific media.

    You mean in popular scientific media. The origin of the first life is a very hot topic amongst those in biological disciplines, and there are several competing theories. I suggest you start with a bit of reading on Abiogenesis on Wikipedia. You'll find quite a few relevant citations as well as a discussion of past and current models.