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Rumors of a 'Whisper Campaign' Forming Against Fair Use

An anonymous reader writes "Ars Technica reports that a group of companies and organizations it calls 'big content' is currently engaged in a worldwide 'whisper campaign' against Fair Use. 'The counter-reformation in question takes the form of a "whispering campaign" in which ministries in different countries are told that plans to expand fair use rights might well run afoul of the Berne Convention's "three-step test." The Convention, which goes back to the late 1800s, was one of the earliest international copyright treaties and is now administered by the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO).'"

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  1. Leeches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wish they would just choke on their own corruption. But then the evil spirit might come out of them, and then we'd all be screwed.

    1. Re:Leeches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought that was the entire basis of Scientology? Evil spirits wandering around and re-inhabiting random vessels.

      I'm not the same AC as this guy, but it's funny he mentions them in the context of a "whisper campaign" against fair use.

      Sonny Bono was a Scilon and a Congressman. In 1998, he didn't just argue for copyright extension, he got the Mickey Mouse Protection Act named after him: The Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act (CTEA).

      The Scilons, via Bono and via the rest of their Hollywood connections, were strong advocates for the DMCA. Within months of its passage, they were using DMCA threats to out critics and open them up for further harassment. They've used the DMCA as a legal cudgel against everyone from Google (they tried to prevent Google from linking to critics' sites) to Slashdot (the only time in Slashdot history that the Editors have been forced to delete a post).

      Using back channels to lobby for the end of fair use would be a major legislative victory for the Scilons; the only reason they don't sue on the basis of the phrase "seventy-five million years ago" is because they'd be laughed out of court. Under cult doctrine, "the purpose of a lawsuit is not to win, but to harass", and if fair use (using quotations from cult materials for purposes of parody, expression, or criticism) goes away, they'd have standing to file such suits.

      That AC's closer to the truth than he knows. It wouldn't surprise me one damn bit to see the Scilons behind this.

  2. That's not how I heard it... by loimprevisto · · Score: 5, Funny

    I heard whispers of a rumor campaign- thanks, Slashdot for setting me straight!

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    1. Re:That's not how I heard it... by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The irony of completely fact-free scaremongering about a "whisper campaign seems to have been missed by all parties...

    2. Re:That's not how I heard it... by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Whisper campaigns" are only evil and underhanded and scandalous when your enemies do them. Don't you know?

      It's all part of the new moral and ethical code. It goes like this: "we get to win".

      Anything -- no matter how despicable, harmful or dishonest -- that causes "us" to win is holy and justified. Anything else fails some moral and ethical test and further demonstrates why "we get to win" -- because the other side is shown to be monstrously evil by the moral and ethical lapses that we've applied to them.

      Don't you know how important "we" are?

  3. The "3 steps" by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Members shall confine limitations and exceptions to exclusive rights to certain special cases which do not conflict with a normal exploitation of the work and do not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the rights holder.

    According to Wikipedia, the three steps are:

    1) certain special cases
    2) do not conflict with normal exploitation of the work
    3) do not unreasonably prejudice the legitimate interests of the rights holder

    I'm no lawyer, so I don't have the background to understand that kind of gobbledygook. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe laws written for the sake of the governed should be written in a language they understand.

    1. Re:The "3 steps" by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe laws written for the sake of the governed should be written in a language they understand. Are any laws truly written for the sake of the governed?
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    2. Re:The "3 steps" by Torvaun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember, the governed also refer to evolution as "only" a theory, and consider it on par with their own random thoughts. They will also borrow something to you instead of lending it to you, completely fail at verb conjugations, and generally maim any segment of the language they can pass through their mouth. There is no language they understand.

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    3. Re:The "3 steps" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you actually take the time to read through a few legal documents, it's pretty trivial to start understanding them. It's just a matter of learning a handful of additional semantics. At worst you might have to look up the occasional Latin phrase. Dumbing them down and making them even more vague and/or verbose for the sake of the crowds that consider harlequin romances to be fine literature and can't be bothered to learn their own language past a middle school level is *not* the solution. The intent behind all of these bullshit laws in the first place is the problem, deal with that before complaining about the vocabulary involved. And if you can't deal with the inherent vagueness of the language anyway, demand that the laws be rewritten in Lojban or such. But I rather enjoy how natural languages can tweak their meanings a bit to adjust for new situations, such as law.

    4. Re:The "3 steps" by AvitarX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      These steps read fairly clear to me (though the law associated may not).

      1) not the default, this is for exceptions, (sounds redundant though).

      2) Does not cost the owner in lost sales/reduced sale price

      3) This reads as a ban on things like fanfic, where the character of the original work can be altered by additional information

      The problem with the law is that one person's interpretations of this becomes law for future reference, and it takes years of training to have a moderate understanding of that background, and the ability to find the specifics when you need it.

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    5. Re:The "3 steps" by Tim+C · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe laws written for the sake of the governed should be written in a language they understand.

      You could make the same argument for software and users, or science and "the public" and hit the same problem - "plain English" isn't really suited to the required degree of exactness. Often what looks to be straightforward really isn't, and provides too much wiggle room for a skilled arguer. That's worse than having laws that normal people don't understand - it potentially leaves you with laws that simply aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

    6. Re:The "3 steps" by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I find your post interesting, primarily because it sounds like a reasonable interpretation of the three steps, yet it's quite different to what I'd come up with (as someone who has been actively involved in the consultations about this topic in the UK recently).

      In particular, your version implies that anything that may cost the copyright holder any income cannot be fair use. I would qualify that (and I do think the phrasing of the TRIPS three-step test supports this) by saying that normal exploitation does not mean the same as absolute control. We could argue, for example, that selling a second full-price copy of software to someone because their installation DVD got scratched would be profitable for the copyright holder if making back-ups were illegal, but I think most people would consider this excessive exploitation and the law in most jurisdictions reflects this.

      Getting back to the proposals at hand, I think if these rumours are true, the big content guys are going to have a tough time. What's happening right now is that several countries are seeing the balance of copyright tipping toward the copyright holder and finding their laws out of sync with common perceptions of what is reasonable (and done routinely, regardless of legality, by much of the population). We've had a string of investigations over the past two or three years, such as Gowers in the UK, which have proposed changes to redress the balance. The US actually has a pretty good deal with their fair use; while DRM/DMCA issues are screwing things up, the law is otherwise pretty reasonable and the four tests are fairly transparent. In most other countries, the law is not so general, and commonly expected behaviour like making back-up copies and format shifting is actually illegal in several places!

      Now, we're seeing governments actively start to implement those proposals. For example, the UK government is consulting on a proposal to legitimise format shifting, which is technically illegal at the moment even though everyone does it and media industry organisations have stated publicly that they will not chase anyone to court for doing so. (The closing date for the consultation is today, so if anyone else thinks the exception should be far more general than just format shifting, get those e-mails in to the consultation response address!)

      I suspect this is just making mountains out of mole-hills, though. The whole point of fair use is that there are plenty of things you can reasonably do with content you have legally obtained that are beneficial to you yet cause no unreasonable damage to the copyright holder, and the law should allow you to do these. No-one is talking about, for example, legalising P2P file sharing in breach of copyright or letting someone buy one legal download and then burn it to many CDCs and sell them on separately, which might actually do some real damage to the big media industries. It's hard to see how Big Media can credibly argue that the changes proposed in places like the UK are in violation of the three-step test when US fair use has allowed them since forever, the US is also a TRIPS signatory, yet until now Big Media has not attacked this position.

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    7. Re:The "3 steps" by Drakantus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > 2) Does not cost the owner in lost sales/reduced sale price

      I hope that isn't what it means. That definition could be twisted to apply to *all* uses.

      Oh, you are using your copy of windows to reinstall on the same PC? That just cost Microsoft a sale they would have made if you instead purchased an additional copy. Oh, you are watching a DVD for the second time? That just cost Sony Pictures a sale of another DVD.

      And of course what is consider legitimate fair use now, for example watching a purchased DVD movie with a couple friends- you just cost the movie a couple sales because you let your friends view it for free!

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    8. Re:The "3 steps" by reddburn · · Score: 3, Informative

      I am a linguist. Dialect and grammar evolve in a matrix of formal and informal uses. Dialects are systematic and regular, and socially favored versions of the language are mimicked. Certain "correct" usages fall into disuse - how many of us use "Shall" when asking a first person question (Shall I go?) anymore?

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  4. Berne Convention can go piss up a rope by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rich bastards who own the corporations really rule the world, but they're working hard to quell a counter-revolution. They are NOT patriots od any country, no matter what country they lay claim to. They only care about their own personal wealth and power and the rest of us can go to hell as far as they're concerned.

    Fair use? How about "expanding" fair use in the US to what the founding fathers envisioned, and "limiting" the endless copyrights that would have appalled them?

    I have decided that I will respect no copyright older than ten years old, period. I urge everyone else to join me. I think twenty is reasonable, but damn it THIS IS WAR.

    Oh yeah- I refuse to honor ANY copyright held by a corporation. Only a writer or painter or other artist should hold a copyright. Disney can go to hell (actually he probably already did).

    Yeah, I'm in a bad mood. So sue me.

    -mcgrew

    PS- I hold copyrights. I have two ISBNs that should have already passed into the public doimain. I'm not against copyright law, only the INSANE copyright laws that are in effect now.

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    1. Re:Berne Convention can go piss up a rope by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I'm in a bad mood. So sue me. You can sue people in the US for being in a bad mood?
      Wouldn't that make your mood worse when you're sued?
      Also, what kind of conviction can you expect? Sentenced to be in a good mood for 5 years (2 years probation when you show good behavior)?
    2. Re:Berne Convention can go piss up a rope by teslar · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can sue people in the US for being in a bad mood? Wouldn't that make your mood worse when you're sued?
      Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.... the recursive lawsuit!
    3. Re:Berne Convention can go piss up a rope by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is lobbying, or "corruption" as it is called in other parts of the world. It is almost impossible to make disappear but one can at least try to make it illegal.
      Support Lawrence Lessig's Change Congress movement.

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  5. Oh really? by arivanov · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Ars Technica reports that a group of companies and organizations it calls 'big content' is CONSTANTLY engaged in a worldwide 'whisper campaign' against Fair Use.

    Fixed that for ya. And it does not need to be a "group" to be doing that. They do it anyway as this is what their interests call for.

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  6. Re:Some possible issues... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So 6 guys get together and form Little Green Man Entertainment Ltd and make a computer game and sell it. But not to *you*. No, *you* pirate it because you refuse to honor any copyright held by a corporation. To buy these guy's game would compromise your *principles*.

    This illustrates the problem with the thinking. Corporations are made of people and corporations are set up by people so the people can work together in an organized way. Ever heard of "United Artists". It's one of the big studios now, but it was set up by actors and other "artists" who got tired of the man taking their money. Now they are the man. Is it fair? Should they be able to use the money they made doing the real work to finance the work of other artists? Really what is the difference between a corporation investing in a film and an artist giving a helping hand up to the next generation of artists? Not much, in practice.

  7. SCOTUS Stacked Against Berne Convention by monxrtr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    See the recent Texas death penalty case and international law. Once the Copyright Laws are ruled unconstitutional on length of term and excessive fine grounds, the Berne Convention too will be in the target cross-hairs. And once the US is folded out of Berne, separate international movements will do vast damage to world-wide attempts at standards and control.

    They already can't enforce the laws on the books, because they are PR disasters, that only constantly serve to diminish the credibility of the law. The big media content owners are starting to run scared, as well they should be. Look at the comments regarding yesterday's study that 95% of 18-24 year olds copy content illegally. Nothing but solid contempt for these insane copyright laws. The tide is shifting, and politicians voting to screw consumers will be assuming ever higher political liability for doing so.

    This is all good. These people are the evil cousins to the ultimate evil international bankers without any country loyalty or concern for consumers who confiscated real money world-wide and instituted fiat paper money debt control. They finance wars, they could care less who is at war as long as there is war somewhere from which to profit through the issuance of debt and confiscation through bankruptcy. And ultimately, the war on copyright is just the warm up battle to the war on fiat paper money. They are just printing control and printing taxation at will, at the expense of disparate international citizens. It's nothing put pure theft of the wealth which is the property of culture, of all, just like free speech and free trade.

    Perhaps other countries will now better understand American disdain for the United Nations when they see other international institutions like the IMF, WB, and now the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). They are there to finance themselves by legalized theft against your rights.

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  8. In politics, it's not a "whispering campaign" by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's lobbying.

    Politics does not select for politicians who are deep thinkers -- although possibly there may be a few odd examples. Politics favors the gregarious, the people pleasers, the networkers.

    So, suppose you are such a person, who makes his way in the world by being popular. You aren't stupid by any means, and let's stipulate for the purposes of argument you are not corrupt, but well intentioned. Still it's a fair bet you probably aren't the kind of person who likes to hike to a lonely spot in the mountains, to spend a pleasant afternoon contemplating the role of the unrestricted flow of information in maintaining a vibrant and free society.

    But this is exactly the most important kind of issue that comes in front of you as an elected official. And in all probably, you don't have a deep reservoir of accumulated thought to draw upon when this comes up. You have deeply held convictions but you haven't worked out how they all apply in cases like these.

    So, being a gregarious person, you draw upon the thoughts of others who had the foresight to propose the connections in advance. Furthermore, being a people pleaser by nature, your first inclination when they did this was to receive their argument favorably. You certainly did not tear it down and throw it in their face as a load of rubbish.

    Having received the argument favorably, and since the argument connects the question to some of your values, like "private enterprise", you're primed to take it up as your own.

    That's why buying access is such a huge win for special interests and a huge loss for democracy. It's not that there isn't corruption, of course there is. But a politician doesn't have to be personally corrupt for you to corrupt his opinions.

    It's an odd thing, but being the kind of person who likes to spend quiet afternoons contemplating big questions, I have found vigorous "men of action" remarkably easy to steer. They're always up to do something and they think of themselves as "far sighted", but that usually means they don't have a clear view of how the ground in front of their feet is connected to the goals they see on the horizon. And they tend to be completely unaware that they are acting without a road map, so when you slip one under their nose, they internalize it. You can see that this is just one of many possible alternatives, but they have a way of seeing it as the one true path that they have been following all along.

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  9. it's interesting they are digging this deep by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it is interesting to see ministers and legal wranglers reaching back this far in copyright history for a sense of stability and coherence in copyright law. it shows desperation, confusion, fear. however, what the internet has done to copyright is yet a more fundamental reordering of the landscape than even law going back to the 1800s

    it is simply that at one time, the means of production and distribution of media was confined to a few players. this meant that agreeing on rules, and compliance and enforcement was relatively simple and straightforward. as recently as the 1980s, if someone was counterfeiting vhs tapes, for example, the operation was ponderous, slow, required a heavy initial investment, and was relatively easy to trace and shut down those few random players. this limited piracy to a few hardy organizations

    but today, the power of global distribution that was once confined to the likes of bertelsman and sony is in the hands of every college kid. enforcement? ha! compliance and agreement on the rules? ha!

    the assumptions about distribution that created copyright law as we know it is so fundamentally altered as to be so alien a landscape that copyright law is simply completely and utterly destroyed. for those of you doubting this, you are simply in denial. you can't make a law that is impossible to enforce. well, you can, legislative bodies do it every day. but it simply doesn't mean anything, it's hollow, it's a joke. that's what our copyright law has become

    the last ten years has simply been a slow process of awakening the world to this fact. the next ten years will simply be more awakening to this fact, everyone getting on the same page: copyright law is broken. utterly

    this is what they mean by disruptive technology. the internet destroyed copyright law by making every single individual in 2000 have the same distribution power that was confined in 1990 to sony and bertelsman

    obviously, rights and morality and ownership in the realm of media are issues that are still valid. these issues still need to be addressed legally. but the legal and compliance framework around these issues will need to be built almost from scratch, and copyright law as we know it must be thrown out almost in its entirety: all the basic assumptions it is founded upon are completely reordered

    personally, i think some form of copyleft a la "free" software will be the basis for our new legal framework about all media and distribution: music, books, movies, etc

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  10. Re:Only the US has fair use anyway... by dev_eddie · · Score: 4, Informative

    In Spain we have "Private Copy Right" granted by Constitution that forbids Penal cases against copyright infringement (in absence of lucre). Discovery causes can't be Civil, so copyright infringement is not illegal. That is not inflexible or narrower than the "fair use" doctrine. The war over the lucre definition is over and we won.

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  11. Re:Only the US has fair use anyway... by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there has been exactly 1 country that has EVER recognized fair use: The US. No country except for the US has ever recognized fair use as a legal theory. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

    Other countries don't use the same term, and the exceptions aren't all the same, but "fair use" is a very common concept.

    Few countries make the use of snippets for review, criticism or quotation illegal, for example. The details vary, but the basic principles are pretty global.

    Some countries go considerably further than the US. Over here in Germany, for example, I can legally copy a CD for a friend. That's called the "Privatkopie" ("private copy") and is the law's acceptance that people will do these kinds of things anyway, so within some limits (very few copies, and for personal friends only), it's allowed. (and yes, it's under attack from the copyright lobby)

    Copyright laws are slightly different in every country, and with so much variety, every claim that something is a world-only is almost guaranteed to be a lie.
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  12. Re:Anyone remember when... by MrNaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a Muslim, I'm interested to hear just what you think the "true nature of Islam" is, Mr AC.

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