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Patent Chief Decries Continued Downward Spiral of Patent Quality

Techdirt is reporting that Jon Dudas, head of the US Patent Office, is lamenting the continuing quality drop in patent submissions. Unfortunately, while this problem is finally getting the attention it deserves, the changes being implemented don't seem to be offering the correct solution. "When you set up a system that rewards people for not actually innovating in the market (but just speculating on paper), then of course, you're going to get more of that activity. When you set up a system that rewards those people to massive levels, well out of proportion with their contribution to any product, then of course you're going to get more of that activity. When you set up a system that gives people a full monopoly right that can be used to set up a toll booth on the natural path of innovation, then of course you're going to get more of that activity. When the cost of getting a patent is so much smaller than the potential payoff of suing others with it, then of course you're going to get more of that activity. The fact that Dudas is just noticing this now, while still pushing for changes that will make the problem worse, is a real problem. Patents were only supposed to be used in special cases. The fact that they've become the norm, rather than the exception, is a problem, and it doesn't seem like anyone is seriously looking into fixing that."

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  1. Also, dudas, 'chinaman' is not the preferred ... by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    from the dudas-just-wants-his-rug-back dept. He doesn't want it back, he wants it replaced. He still has the original but it has Asian-American urine all over it which is too bad because that rug really tied the room together.
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  2. Jon Dudas? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Funny

    At first I accidentally read that as Don Judas. Now that would be an interesting name for the head of the USPTO!

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    1. Re:Jon Dudas? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      Especially with a Master's in Divinity, some opera training, and a leather-clad metal band to back him up.
      I've done my share / of workin' out...

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  3. That is my fault. by khasim · · Score: 3, Funny

    I patented the means of patenting "quality patents".

    1. Re:That is my fault. by pha7boy · · Score: 2, Funny

      you'll make no money that way. I'm filling a patent for "un-innovating patents." I'll be rich!

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  4. Re:Also, dudas, 'chinaman' is not the preferred .. by pete-classic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, no, not exactly. It's a complicated case, eldavojohn. Lotta ins. Lotta outs. And a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's--

    He wanted compensation for the first rug. He wanted the second one back. The one that held sentimental value for Maude.

    -Peter

  5. Why allow corporations to own patents? by MisterSquirrel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not only is innovation stifled, but it serves to further concentrate wealth, and the power over future wealth, into the hands of fewer and bigger corporations. How about we change it so that only an individual can hold the rights to a patent, without allowing the benefits to accrue to the employer of that individual? And that individual must be the actual creator of the patented idea in question?

    1. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I thought the express purpose of our government was to concentrate wealth into the hands of the fewer and bigger corporations that own it.

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    2. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      By limiting patents to individuals it doesn't necessarily follow that society benefits. Even with non-transferrable patents individuals could still file specious, absurd and obvious patents on things like software and mathematical formulas under that system.

      It would also simply concentrate patents into the hands of wealthy individuals. As someone who's reasonably well educated and creative I have happened upon at least three or four ideas in my life that are worth a patent. Not silly stuff, I mean solid ideas with practical industrial benefit. Of course I cannot afford the $10,000+ to patent such ideas, and since publishing is no longer a protection against having these ideas misappropriated by persons in the USA I choose to keep them to myself. Those ideas will probably be thought of by someone else soon enough, I am nothing special, but for the time being they stay in my mind and may die with me. I have no desire to make money from them, but I cannot publish if I want the legitimate currency of recognition, nor can I patent them because it's not affordable. Does this sound like a system that is working to the benefit of mankind in promoting the arts and sciences?

      After 10 or 15 years of following this subject I have reached the conclusion that patents are profoundly anti-science, beyond reform and there is no course of action left but their complete abolition. The same is possibly true of intellectual property generally, but there are certain aspects that might still be rescued and turned to the benefit of humanity.

      If things carry on the way the are there will be a de facto abolition of patents anyway. WIPO will cease to be legitimately recognised as it loses credibility backing an unconsciable and broken process. The world will fragment (more than it is already) into camps which do not recognise one anothers intellectual property claims and trade agreements will collapse. We already have the situation where US and European companies cannot trade in each others respective territories. Like the RIAA/MPAA many IP organisations are unwilling to adapt, they are playing for broke and will ultimately lose the farm. Ultimately internet publication with verifiable timestamped accountability brought about by extensive traffic logging will replace all IP claims and the old institutions, but for those of us with ideas who are caught in this transition period it's not a happy state of affairs and I suspect many valuable ideas are simply being lost or held back.

    3. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I like your idea. It seems as though engineers get zero to little for patenting an idea while their company accrues all of the benefits of the patent. (e.g., here is $200 dollars for the rights to your patent!) However, companies do take on the risk that the patent will be worthless and pay for the patent prosecution costs -- they also provide much of the resources for the engineers to be able to come up with the ideas. Also, patents are a form of property and it would not be good for individual inventors to not be able to sell patents to companies ... who would buy and in most cases enforce them? Perhaps the ultimate (but perhaps very rare) best solution would be a corporate policy that allows their engineers to negotiate a percentage of any future revenue generated with the patent ... although this may lead to issues with determining the value of the patent especially when placed in a massive portfolio (e.g., IBM -- is any single patent of theirs worth anything -- or is it the entire portfolio of patents that is worth something as a whole ...)

      However, in the United States, the inventor must be listed on the patent as the inventor. If they are not, or if someone else is listed on the patent as an inventor (and they are not an inventor) then the patent is invalid.

      [Aside: There is case law on what constitutes an inventor -- the basic concept is someone who actually came up with the patentable portions of the idea ... not someone who simply implemented the idea.]

    4. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...corporations that own it.

      Government is like beer.
      You can only rent it.

    5. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by sm62704 · · Score: 3, Informative

      patents are profoundly anti-science

      Not anti-science; anti-technology. You can't patent a scientific discovery, And as you say, it shouldn't be that way. If a patent was twenty bucks you would have published.

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    6. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I understand that you're trying to be bitterly dark and sarcastic, maybe even a little but humorous, but the "express" purpose of our government is spelled out in that little Constitution thing we like to bandy about during election years.

      You can argue that for the purpose of practical discussion we've fallen to a plutocracy; however, it is unfair to say that "fewer and bigger corporation own" the government - corporate lobbyists are a minority on K street. You're forgetting unions (AFL-CIO), old people (AARP), minorities (NAACP), bored lawyers (ACLU), etc.

      Money greases the cogs of governance, to be sure. But, more people than ever have money nowadays. Maybe political scientists can recognize the new breed of "democracy" we've formed in the Washingtonian super collider of... bad metaphors. You get my point.

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    7. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Money greases the cogs of governance, to be sure. But, more people than ever have money nowadays. Maybe political scientists can recognize the new breed of "democracy" we've formed in the Washingtonian super collider of... bad metaphors. You get my point.

      That is a problem for sure. Can't have too many people owning too much money or everything gets screwed up. But there is a solution. The solution is to have the Federal Reserve print off a whole bunch more, then dole it out through the old boys network. Inside a couple of years, you have something like what happened to Russia, where the plutocrats own everything and the cash a person slaved their life away for goes into a wheelbarrow to buy bread with. So, don't fret. The solution is being implemented this very moment.

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    8. Re:Why allow corporations to own patents? by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Fed "old boys network" is a system of banks. When the Fed wants to lower the interest rates, they reduce the money supply by instructing their brokers to sell government bonds. Anybody can purchase these - the point is that there's less money in circulation (the Fed has it now and is sitting on it, while people have bonds.)

      Likewise, when they want to "print more money" (that's what the Bureau of Engraving and Printing does, actually) they instruct their brokers to buy bonds. Anyone is free to sell them, and the effect is that more money is in circulation. Instead of trading bonds for money, they trade money for bonds. It's not some illuminati association; they're probably the only branch of the government that isn't reveling in corruption.

      Running the presses would devalue the dollar therefore people's savings, but the problem is giving all of the new notes to only a few individuals. We don't have a system to do that; the government relies on private banks to circulate currency.

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  6. really? what a surprise by thermian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it doesn't seem like anyone is seriously looking into fixing that

    Well, when the benefits of owning dodgy patents can be into the tens of millions, it would be well worth sinking a few million into the right peoples pockets to make sure no change goes unchallanged.

    All the while keeping any revision of the system on hold long enough for the rest of the world to overtake the US.

    Yeah, there are places in the world where innovate is still a word with a real and exciting meaning, not just a tired and overused technology business buzzword. I do wish this would be realised by the people who are in a position to change this bizarre patent mess.

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  7. Patent fees? by wfstanle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that we might want to look at the fees we are charging for registering a patent. Perhaps we could implement a fee structure where small inventors pay less than large corporations that can afford more. Also we might want the fees to be based on how unique and original the idea is. Granted, this would be a rather subjective way to assess fees but this is an area where we might want to consider.

    1. Re:Patent fees? by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps we could implement a fee structure where small inventors pay less than large corporations that can afford more

      Already done. Usually about half price for the little guys.

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    2. Re:Patent fees? by theantipop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it would be that easy if it were not for the USPTO's role in the system. They are meant to act as simply the hand of enforcement, not the source of significant change in US code or its interpretation. That is the job of Congress and the court system. You can see this in the recent attempt to limit the claim structure and continued examination process that was shot down by the courts. That was peanuts compared to a radical change in the statutory bar for patents.

    3. Re:Patent fees? by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, they should have the sliding scale based on the number of patents you have. Huge corporations would get increasingly more expensive patents. They could mitigate this cost by releasing older, less valuable patents into the public domain. The small inventor would be able to afford the very low cost initial patents. If any of their patents paid off, they could then afford more. If they don't pay off, they could release them into the public domain, and not have to worry that some corporation will patent it behind them, and cut off their idea from the rest of the world.

  8. Isn't this easily solved by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Couldn't this problem be easily solved by telling all the patent examiners

    "Memo: Hey, As of this morning we're going to raise the bar a bit as to what counts as 'novel.' So, clerk x, could you please deny the patent on your desk for Claratin E. Thanx, xoxo, your noble leader."

    1. Re:Isn't this easily solved by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think they just did that and someone successfully sued to prevent it.

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    2. Re:Isn't this easily solved by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Informative

      The root problem with the USPTO is that while they make a LOT of money for the government in terms of patent fees, that money goes to a "generic" budget pool, from which the USPTO has to fight for a chunk just like everyone else.

      Guess what? They usually get shafted.

      The end result is that patent examiners are overworked due to understaffing and they are also vastly underpaid. There's a huge amount of churn at the USPTO (I know of two people that started there with a desire to become IP lawyers eventually and since then have gotten as far away from it as they can - in fact one completely left engineering and started a catering business!)

      Without giving the USPTO more funding to retain employees (instead of driving them so far away they leave their area of expertise completely), the quality of the examination process will continue to suffer.

      The USPTO would be vastly improved if licensing fees were reduced significantly but all income went back into the USPTO, but that'll never happen because the people who make the decisions are those who have pet programs leeching off of the USPTO's income.

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  9. increase the fees dramatically by jeske · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Patent fees have simply not kept pace with the value of IP and innovation. If they put them on a pricing schedule that goes up over time, and start them at $300k today, we'll see a dramatic reduction in frivilous patents.

    Even more radical would be to place limits on the collectible licensing fees based on the original filing fee. This would encourage some companies to pay more for their patents, in order to create a greater enforcement cap, but would cause them to do so only because they believed the patents to be defensible.

    1. Re:increase the fees dramatically by SlickNic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with the above although there should be an exception to allow an individual to gain a patent relatively inexpensively but it can't be used by a company without paying the full patent price and being subject to licensing fees if they want to keep the patent beyond a set number of years (say 3 years). There also needs to be a stipulation requiring someone that has created a patent to have a product within a set amount of time. If someone creates the actual product before the person with the original patent there should be a limit on royalties (say less than 1% of net profit) and they are both given full rights to sell the devices.

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    2. Re:increase the fees dramatically by Danse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the poor guy can't bring the idea to market, he shouldn't be in a position to prevent others. If he comes up with the idea, he should still be able to patent it, and then he could sell it to someone that can implement it. Pricing him out of being able to patent it just ensure that he won't bother even publishing the idea in the first place, or even telling anyone about it since they'll probably just screw him over on it. Now I do think that if you own a patent, then you should have to bring a working implementation to market within a reasonable amount of time in order to keep that patent. If not, you're just obstructing progress.
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    3. Re:increase the fees dramatically by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So in order to avoid a highly unlikely boundary condition, you want to screw every
      thing up for the typical case. It's thinking like this that creates such f*cked up
      laws and policies in general. People fixate on some "important" boundary condition,
      rush off to mutilate policies in order to address that and then end up hit in the
      face with heinous unintended consequences.

      It's probably well worth the risk and the likely consquences of ignoring the oddball
      possibility like this to ensure that the system in general isn't tragically broken.

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    4. Re:increase the fees dramatically by Danse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's probably well worth the risk and the likely consquences of ignoring the oddball
      possibility like this to ensure that the system in general isn't tragically broken. What "oddball possibility" are you referring to? The possibility that someone other than a multinational corporation might have a good idea? The possibility that a corporation would screw someone over and take their unpatented idea? What exactly are you saying?
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    5. Re:increase the fees dramatically by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What he is saying is typical elitism disguised in a red cape. Imagine you had one of these guys in your IT department, and tired of the spam, he comes up with a ingenious way of filtering out a lot of the crap... a perl script that uses regex to validate that the email address in the from field before being delivered. His logic being "If the script rejects it, they must be shady anyway, so I don't even care". But an intelligent person can pick out the fallacy a mile away. If the script is makes wrong assumptions, or flat out wrong, you get perfectly legitimate people getting rejected, all because someone put up an artificial boundary that ultimately serves no functional purpose, because you aren't even addressing the problem... only a possible symptom.

      That is what the guy is saying. Make the cost of a patent really high, because if people were able enough to come up with a patentable idea, they should already be successful enough to be ale to afford the cost.

      Brilliant...

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    6. Re:increase the fees dramatically by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's true, and I may be wrong but I think most of the "Libertarians" here are more socail libertarians rather than economic libertarins. Anyone middle class or below who thinks government regulation of corporations is a bad thing is ignorantly brainwashed.

      As to the actual subject, it already costs way too much for a patent. The world lost yet another device a couple of weeks ago when I had to keep my head down after a vitrectomy. If a patent was twenty bucks and fill in a form, the device would be on the market in a couple of years.

      But as there's no way in hell I'm giving away ideas for free to big rich corporations who always scream about their intellectual "property" the world is just going to have to make do without it.

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    7. Re:increase the fees dramatically by Danse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm inclined to agree with the prototype requirement. That's the way it used to be, and I don't think it would be terrible to return to that state. If that would also involve the banning of "business method" patents, all the better. I think that software patents should probably also be done away with, as they can be covered by copyright, and the PTO has shown a complete lack of competence in determining what is novel in reviewing such patents.

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  10. No Silver Bullet by xfmr_expert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are a lot of problems with today's patent system, but there is no single "silver bullet" solution to solve them all. Disbanding the patent system altogether will never happen. It does have a noble purpose when applied properly. However, it has become a cash cow whereby companies patent every single thought of their employees in order to build a "patent portfolio". The first obvious fix is to define business method patents and ban them. They are ridiculous. How that is done, I don't know. Another thought is to develop some sort of Devil's Advocate system, where an examiner is assigned to each patent who sole job is to disprove an applications patentability. A final thought is to somehow tax patents as though they were the valued assets they are represented to be. Taxing patents on transfer is easy enough, and may be done already (although this tax should be upped, if the original inventor isn't using the patent). There are ways to make things better. It just takes some thoughtful debate and a willingness of the politicians and bureaucrats to effect some change. Enough "big corporations" are getting burnt by patents to provide some momentum, I hope.

    1. Re:No Silver Bullet by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I agree that there is no silver bullet but the quality of examiner IMHO is the biggest hurdle. You can become an examiner directly out of college. You then become overworked, pressured, and required to turn out a caselaod of applications. The USPTO has horrible turnover with the average being approximately 3 years (I have a few friends who became examiners and they said that was the average). 3 years doesn't allow anyone to become a real subject matter expert.

      You've got kids dealing with really high-level stuff in a lot of cases. Optics, physics, biotech. No wonder it's easier for companies to push shitty applications through.

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    2. Re:No Silver Bullet by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I understand that corporations tend to submit overwhelmingly large applications that require two lawyers and a forklift to process (the lwayers are dunnage for the pallet, of course).

      I've experienced a similar phenomenon in contracting relationships where documentation is dumped in large quantities at the last minute with the intent of overwhelming the reviewing system. Apparently it works at the USPTO as well.

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  11. Overlooking Economic barriers by Bombula · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's fine to condemn frivolous patent trolling, but one important part of the reality is that it is often enormously expensive to implement a genuinely innovative idea. Innovation therefore only goes into production when huge sums of money support the organization behind it, and this is profoundly stifling of individual invention and creativity. Individuals with good ideas often cannot realize any rewards for their ideas except through patenting and litigation, since it is notoriously difficult for a individual inventor or innovator to secure a licensing agreement with a producer ahead of the fact. In absence of that option, post-facto licensing in the form of patent lawsuits is the only alternative. It sucks, but that's the way it is. If large companies were more willing to honestly license good ideas rather than attempt to circvumvent them or win wars of attrition against individuals through protracted litigation, there would be far less need of patent trolling.

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    1. Re:Overlooking Economic barriers by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A patent STOPS innovation for 17 years.

      Any granted patent should be at least as valuable as the social
      cost of that disruption.

      They're not supposed to be about how expensive it was
      to invent something but whether or not the invention
      is suitably novel. It's not meant to be a cash cow or
      a means to make up for R&D expenditures.

      BS patents do far more harm than "lost R&D costs".

      Ideally a patent isn't just the end of a marathon,
      it's the end of a marathon where none of the other
      contestants were able to even cross the finish line.

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  12. Screws the little guy by everphilski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If they put them on a pricing schedule that goes up over time, and start them at $300k today, we'll see a dramatic reduction in frivilous patents.

    This only screws the little guy over and ensures that bigger corporations will keep patenting. 300k to a Microsoft, IBM or pharmaceutical company is small fries. To a small business owner or full-time dreamer like me, it breaks the bank. It's an artificial barrier to entry that does not address the real problems.

    The threshold should not be financial, it should be by virtue of technical merit. Set the bar higher, the terms shorter, etc. Have a maximum duration over which a patent owner must implement said patent, or forfeit it, similar to enforcement of trademarks (see trademark dilution). It's not precisely the same concept, but I think it's a virtuous idea.

    1. Re:Screws the little guy by Speare · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about charging proportionally to the full liquid (salary) and equity (stock) income of the CEO, when the patent is to be held by the corporation? Any time the patent is transferred to a new holder, the full fee should be calculated and paid again. I think this stone could kill a few birds. Outrageous executive pay would be penalized, and many small companies and individuals could hold onto more patents.

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    2. Re:Screws the little guy by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This only screws the little guy over and ensures that bigger corporations will keep patenting. 300k to a Microsoft, IBM or pharmaceutical company is small fries. To a small business owner or full-time dreamer like me, it breaks the bank.

      Should we even care about small time dreamers anymore? Should the entire process of patent reform have to grind to a halt in order to allow "Joe Inventor", if he exists or indeed ever existed, to still play the patent lottery game? $300,000 dollars per patent seems just fine by me.

      Better yet, simply implement a patent tax. It's intellectual "property" after all, so why not tax it?
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  13. Not true at all. by No2Gates · · Score: 2, Funny

    I tried to apply for a patent for a emergency CD ejector, made from a straightened paper clip. They turned me down.

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  14. Re:Also, dudas, 'chinaman' is not the preferred .. by Adambomb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calmer than you are.

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  15. The issued patents aren't the whole problem by dtmos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As we have discussed before, there is an equally significant problem with patent applications that are improperly rejected. Since issued patents enable one to obtain funding to bring new technology to market, this is as least as serious a problem for our society as the more well-known "junk patent" problem.

    1. Re:The issued patents aren't the whole problem by theantipop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This eetimes editorial is humorous on a couple of accounts. First, the my patent is being rejected but of course it's not my fault act is cute, but I thought I stopped playing that routine when I got to grade school. Second, it is impossible to take someone's word on something like this when you are boiling down subject matter to legal terms in the claims of an application. You can have the most ground-breaking invention, but if your claims are so broad that you would be infringing on a toaster a good examiner isn't going to have it.

  16. I have a simple solution by nguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Techdirt is reporting that Jon Dudas, head of the US Patent Office, is lamenting the continuing quality drop in patent submissions.

    Here's an idea: reject them. Eventually, people will get the message.

    If you keep accepting them, you'll keep getting more.

    1. Re:I have a simple solution by zQuo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree, and I have a simple change to make it happen. Just make it so the Patent Office is rewarded more for rejecting patents than accepting patents.
      Patent applicants put up a larger fee that assumes that the patent will be rejected. If the patent is accepted, the applicant gets a refund. If the patent is rejected, the applicant gets no refund, but they do get a review of how the patent is deficient or unclear and needs to be revised.

      Two of my friends who are examiners in the PTO. They tell me it takes almost 4-5x the time to reject a patent as to pass one. Job ratings are based on the number of patents processed. What would *you* do in that situation? Based upon the work involved, a rejected patent applications should cost 5x more than an accepted application. The PTO prizes itself for being the *only* agency in the government that makes money and runs in the black. The examiners are proud of that. You just have to make a small change in the incentive scheme for examiners so that the effort they spend on rejections are rewarded also; we'd get fewer, clearer, more relevant patents.

  17. Slightly different than that. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, they are for "the little guy" and they do create "petty monopolies".

    They were designed to create an environment where an inventor could create something and market it for a set number of years with our government providing protection from competition. In exchange for that, the invention would be free to be copied when the patent expired.

    Now, patents are used to BLOCK development. Because you can get a broad patent on ANYTHING, just about EVERYTHING is being patented.

    So Company-A is working on a new invention. Company-B hears about the work and rushes out to get a patent on a broad "process" that covers (but does not specify) the invention that Company-A is working on.

    Now Company-A owes money to Company-B for an invention that Company-B never produced.

    Fuck that. Just have the patent office require a WORKING, PHYSICAL model of the invention PRIOR to accepting the patent application. That's how is used to be.

    Of course, this would kill all the software "patents" and "practices" patents and so forth. Which I think is a good thing(tm).

    1. Re:Slightly different than that. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dude, they're not "for the little guy". The parent was right.

      Patents were crafted by people who accept capitalism and competition as inviolate principles, and wish to prevent the sort of secret hoarding that defined the guilds of the Mercantile age.

      There was once a time where if you wanted to learn secret knowledge, you had to join a secret society. If you were in the secret society, you couldn't leave and practice or share, because the law prevented you from doing so.

      The point of patents was to force secret societies to reveal their secrets if they wanted the law to continue to validate and enforce their control. If you didn't reveal the secret, you couldn't ask the cops to go shut that guy down, but if you did, you could.

      This would be better realized in the modern age by making transparency of process a requirement to enter the market, period. We already have safety inspectors whose approval you must win to enter the market, so it's not like this would be a novel invasion of privacy or freedom that didn't exist before.

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  18. Hold on there josie by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, while this problem is finally getting the attention it deserves, the changes being implemented don't seem to be offering the correct solution. - emphasis mine

    Who the hell thinks it's really getting the attention it deserves? Not me. When 'what is your position on patent reform?' becomes a more important question than what color toilet paper Obama uses, or who wears a flag pin, or what happened on some reality tv show, THEN it's getting the attention it deserves.

    The USPTO is broken. It's a system that worked quite well back when the phonograph was considered an expensive laboratory toy that would never be of use on the commercial market.

    If only they would go to some kind of system like a social news aggregation site, whose patrons were engineers, scientists etc. and other professions and titles that exclude anyone selling ID as science. Then as a last step before granting the patent it would get sort of peer reviewed. IMO that would stop BS patents and trolls can be stopped by changing requirements of patent holders to something like radio spectrum licenses. If you don't use it, you lose it. If you sue someone with the patent and cannot show that you have done anything with it yourself: automatic jail time.

    Redefine non-obvious to exclude anything that is a natural extension of another technology, and anything that is specifically in the public interest. (thinking of MS's patents on using a computer to connect to emergency services over a phone line)

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  19. Go back to the original idea? by shimage · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Patent comes from the latin patens, meaning "open" (notice our usage of the adverb, "patently": patently absurd, patently obvious). A patent is supposed to be you "opening" your product up so that other people can understand how it works. In return for increasing the greater good (by not making it difficult to reverse engineer) you got a brief monopoly. Using this metric, if something is obvious upon inspection, it doesn't deserve a patent, regardless of how innovative or original it is.

    The key difference is that, today, patents are seen as a carrot to promote innovation. As originally conceived, the system assumed (correctly in my opinion) that innovation will always happen, and that what we really needed was a carrot to promote the "opening" of the technology (in the same sense that opensource is open).

  20. DMCA, brought to you by: Jon Dudas! by Steve1952 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If you like the DMCA (and all the RIAA abuses) then you will love Jon Dudas. According to his official USPTO biography:

    "He guided enactment of major patent, trademark, and copyright policy, including the 1999 American Inventors Protection Act and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act."

    Most patent attorneys consider him unqualified because he had no previous patent experience prior to becoming head of the USPTO.

  21. Fundamental fix: Stop widespread US gov corruption by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "... there is no single "silver bullet" solution..."

    There is a fundamental improvement that could be made, however. The U.S. government is as corrupt as 8 years of selling favors to private interests can make it. We could stop the corruption.

    Corrupt big companies with little creative ability want to make the patent system as complicated as possible for smaller companies. That's why not enough money is available for the patent office to do its job correctly; the corrupters have been deliberately starving government agencies that prevent corruption. They've been starving the SEC, too.

    See Principles for thinking about U.S. government corruption.

    More evidence of widespread corruption: It costs more than $1,000,000 of U.S. taxpayer's money to kill each Iraqi, most of whom are very poor. That shows the real purpose of the war is embezzling money from the taxpayer to give it to weapons and war investors.

    Notes about the U.S. government-Iraq war: 1) I've liked every Iraqi I've met in the United States. I don't want them killed. (I've never been to Iraq.)

    2) There was always violence in Iraq. Supposedly one "justification" for the war was stopping Saddam's violence. Now, however, U.S. taxpayers have caused more violence in a few years than all the violence caused by Saddam Hussein.

    3) Notice that prices in the U.S. are rising rapidly. That's because the U.S. government has been printing more money to pay for the theft of taxpayer money that war makes possible.

    4) The way to not have enemies is to make relationships. The U.S. government has been doing the opposite of that.

    Since before 1953, when the U.S. government overthrew a democratically elected president of Iran, The U.S. government has been killing Muslims and Arabs and destroying their property. For example, the U.S. government has been donating $5 billion each year of taxpayer money to Israelis to be used to buy weapons from U.S. weapons manufacturers. The manufacturers get high profits because Israelis are willing to pay high prices when the money is not theirs.

  22. First simple change by naasking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All patent submissions must be accompanied by a physical prototype. The requirement for a physical device has fallen by the wayside, and reintroducing it would probably eliminate 99% of these silly applications.

    Increasing patent fees is not the way forward, as this penalizes the real innovators: the little guys working out of their garage.

  23. In principle, yes by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But the bar needs to be raised a bit more than "a bit".

    I think patents are far too easy to get, for far too little technical contribution in return. Some prerequisites that need to be (re-)introduced:

    -Patent must significantly improve the state of the art. Must also be non-obvious (on the latter, the US Supreme court shows some encouraging tendencies - more of that please))

    -Patent applications must contain instructions on how to build the item, at a level where an average engineer can do it.

    -No patents for things that lack a technical contribution. In particular, no patents on business methods.

    Now if Congress fails to fix the above items, I think the USA would be better off completely without a patent system.

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  24. Here's a concept: by Craig+Maloney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Head of USPTO grows some nads and tells his employees to stop approving said applications. After all, he's the head of the USPTO. Isn't it his leadership responsibility to put a stop to this sort of thing?

    Be a leader, quit whining and do your job.

  25. An interesting market solution by xenocide2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I listened to a lecture given by Eben Moglen on the subject of Patents, with emphasis on software. When he came to the subject of undoing the current system, he mentioned what I thought to be an interesting market approach. Professional engineers are currently expected to develop patents on their creations, and are rewarded for their efforts with bonuses, promotions, etc. The suggestion is to ask companies to reward engineers for every patent they overturn in the process of bringing a product to market. With that, there's now equal market incentive to overturn patents as there is to create new ones, and a company is forced to recognize that the patent system that gives them IP is as a whole a barrier to their future.

    I'm sure there's holes in that simple proposal, but I'd be interested to see if that idea can be made workable.

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