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Windows XP SP3 Released To Manufacturing

mike_diack was one of many readers to send word that Windows XP SP3 been released to manufacturing. It will be available to OEMs and enterprise customers on April 29. Here is a summary of features and changes. The company will wait till "early summer" to enable SP3 downloads through Automatic Updates.

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  1. I will slipstream it and add the driver pack to my by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    I will slipstream it and add the driver pack to my disks.

    http://driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/

  2. MS: Making the impossible possible! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remember when XP SP3 was impossible which was why everyone had to change to Vista?

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    1. Re:MS: Making the impossible possible! by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, is Microsoft the Eternal Sword or Origin?

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  3. Patching is AWESOME! by urbanriot · · Score: 5, Funny

    OMG, I can't wait, only 8 more days until I can patch my system with SP3! So exciting... patches... wooo!!!

  4. Umm... by calebt3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't it kinda late to be releasing to manufactures? How much more will they be able to use it?

    1. Re:Umm... by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some customers like their service packs on shiny CD's. Those actually get made somewhere.

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  5. So much service! by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I love the fact that my OS is being helped along and that they are keeping it up to date, I am still a little annoyed that the "follow up" OS is really still about as useful as a bucket full of random sized bolts.

    Though I love gaming, each month seems to bring me closer and closer to blowing away all three of my windows boxes and replacing them with a distro of Ubuntu or something similar. My lack of knowledge is the one thing keeping that at bay for now.

    When will Microsoft simply get the fact that a flashy desktop DOES NOT COMPENSATE FOR A SHITTY OS.

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    1. Re:So much service! by aliquis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Personally I wouldn't compare computer and console gaming, I like my RTS and Quake and neither works good on console I assume. Anyway, at a console you do indeed get gaming without a stupid OS ;D. So if there are any approriate time to mention console gaming this must be it.

      Regarding lack of knowledge have no fear, today there are so many more users, documentation, forums, and what not, and support for various things have improved and the desktops are better and so on. For just using Ubuntu I doubt you need any knowledge at all, basic understanding on how the package manager works and you are done.

    2. Re:So much service! by Bandman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wanna bet on whether or not it "accidently" breaks enough machines to convince people to upgrade?

    3. Re:So much service! by pizpot · · Score: 5, Informative

      How to do your Windows/Ubuntu PC, with 2 hardrives:

      drive 1,120GB (operating systems and windows programs)
      drive 2 200GB+ (linux data)

      partition drive 1 into four partitions of this size:

      1. 20G - for XP (fat32)
      2. 20G - for XP backup (fat32)
      3. 60G - for windows data (fat32)
      4. 20G - for ubuntu linux / (ext2)

      partition drive 2 into 2 partitions:
      1. 512 MB for linux swap
      2. the rest for linux /home (ext2)

      Google "hirens download" for a cd with partition and ghost programs.

      Install XP on drive 1 partition 1 and patch it up and install all your stuff. Put games in a folder called "programs" on part 3. Make sure you have a router firewall so XP not get hacked right away.

      Install Ubuntu linux (or whatever) to the 4th partition on drive 1, tell it to use the big partition on drive 2 as /home.

      Then ghost XP to partition 2 for when it goes to shit. When that happens, just ghost it back from 2 to 1: 5 minutes beats an hour or two.

      If you re-install windows, you will lose your boot menu that linux did for you. Just boot to the ubuntu cd, and click Apps, Terminal and then:
      grub
      find /boot/grub/stage1
      -->it replies with (hd0,3)
      root (hd0,3)
      setup (hd0)
      quit
      exit

    4. Re:So much service! by pizpot · · Score: 5, Informative

      been using it since it went out March 28th on MSDN... it is fine.

    5. Re:So much service! by notamisfit · · Score: 2

      Unless your hardware isn't supported (ie Broadcom). Then you're pretty much boned. Other than that, it's all good.

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    6. Re:So much service! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My lack of knowledge is the one thing keeping that at bay for now. I have at least one friend who gave up on Ubuntu on the grounds that it was too user friendly and didn't feel like real linux any more. Just something to think about.
    7. Re:So much service! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have at least one friend who gave up on Ubuntu on the grounds that it was too user friendly and didn't feel like real linux any more. Just something to think about.

      Yes, I'm sure the Ubuntu development team is going to lose sleep over some flaming lunatic.
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    8. Re:So much service! by pizpot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your welcome. After you install XP, go to Add/Remove Software, Windows components, and remove everything there including Internet Explorer. Install Spybot, Zone Alarm, and maybe AVG. If you need IE to download Firefox, just Start,Run, iexplore. Don't do any email in windows, and as little internet as possible... preferably just multiplayer or minimal work stuff.

      Do email, credit cards, paypal etc in linux. After you install ubuntu 7.10, download automatix and run it. That fixes your sources. Then click Admin,Sources and uncheck the cdrom. Then Admin,Security,Login Tab and put yourself on auto login. To install software use Add/Remove or sudo aptitude install program-name. --never locks up. Linux puts your email, if you use mozilla-thunderbird, in a hidden folder in your /home folder. Hidden files/folders start with a dot. To make something run that won't, right-click on it and make it executable. You can install MS Office97 in wine in linux. The version of wine shipping to ubuntu can't do warcraft3 multiplayer..., you need to google "pizpot downgrade wine" and read that thread on how to upgrade wine so it works. Virtualbox is cool, you can install XP into linux and I used it to run a major 3d cad program just fine. The webpage uubuntuguide is where you look first for advice, then google and the ubuntuforums second. There is so much to tell... use the force.

    9. Re:So much service! by Minwee · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why are you formatting the first drive with FAT32? Do you just not like your data?

      Linux OSes including Ubuntu have had stable read/write support for NTFS for over a year now. The only reason to subject yourself to FAT32 is if you plan on booting to Windows 98.

    10. Re:So much service! by blindd0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Though I love gaming, each month seems to bring me closer and closer to blowing away all three of my windows boxes and replacing them with a distro of Ubuntu or something similar. My lack of knowledge is the one thing keeping that at bay for now.

      In case you didn't already know, the next version of Ubuntu comes out Thursday this week (April 24th 2008). Though I would recommend waiting until the initial rush is over and you can actually connect to one of the mirrors (this may take a few days to a week), this new version includes a Windows installer which allows you to install (and uninstall, if you so desire) Ubuntu without having to worry about partitions and other aspects of OS installation you might be uncomfortable with. Here's a link to where it's mentioned on the Ubuntu site. :-)

    11. Re:So much service! by CSMatt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just use BitTorrent. I believe all of the mirrors are permanent seeds on the official torrents.

    12. Re:So much service! by compro01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why fat32? last time i checked, ntfs works just fine on ubuntu and ntfs is definetly more robust than fat32, in addition to doing away with that old annoying 4GB filesize limit.

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    13. Re:So much service! by node+3 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, there needs to be a tinfoil-hat mod. Sad, but true.
    14. Re:So much service! by gnalre · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very true. I've been using Vista since it was available on Newegg, and have had almost no problems (not none, but then again, it isn't like people have no problems in any OS). It works beautifully, people crying about Vista are either a) unfortunate in the fact that their hardware/app isn't supported (and this isn't the majority of the problems), or b) spreading FUD. Hurrah for you. You have played Microsoft roulette and we have a winner!

      The truth is I am sure Vista is fine for many people. I do assume Microsoft did some testing before release, however even with a brand new PC you just don't know how Vista will run. And why bother when you do know windows XP will run just fine,(and probably faster). Also if you look at what Vista gives you over XP, there is not a lot there to make it a must have upgrade especially with the afore mentioned risks associated with it.
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    15. Re:So much service! by giorgist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey that bucket is one of the most amazing things in nature. If you look long enough you will find a left handed square profile M4x.1" pitch bolt. Vista on the other hand is a bucket full of left handed square profile M4x.1" pitch bolts G

    16. Re:So much service! by LaskoVortex · · Score: 2, Funny

      MacOS 7.0, before it was patched, would permanently corrupt itself if you removed a Font from the System Folder.

      No, worse than that, the old Apple IIe we had in the eighth grade had a back-arrow that I thought was "Backspace", or maybe "Esc". If you touched it, the damn thing would power-cycle. Now THAT's shitty.

      Of course, I'm not even going to get into the Altair we had in 5th grade or the Sinclair 1000 I had at home.

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    17. Re:So much service! by RailRide · · Score: 2, Informative
      You'll have to create that 60GB FAT32 partition with Linux, because Windows XP SP2 refuses to create a FAT32 partition larger than 32GB, but I believe it can access one with no problem?


      XP's formatter is coded with a 32GB limit under FAT32. A utility called FAT32format allows you to format up to FAT32's actual limit once you've partitioned the drive and given it a drive letter under XP. I used it on a 160GB drive in an external USB box that I decided had to be accessible to Win9x machines. Worked for me.

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    18. Re:So much service! by Fweeky · · Score: 3, Insightful

      download automatix and run it No, please don't. It's buggy, it screws up updates, and it's been discontinued.
  6. Vista style activation by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    So if you paid full retail thinking you could drag XP with you when you upgrade your system...

    You're stuck. Kaching. Thanks for playing.

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  7. Here's a possible link... by Adam+Zweimiller · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:Here's a possible link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Incorrect...

      XP SP3 (RTM) Has the Build Number 5512.

  8. April Fools Joke? by naer_dinsul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is the fact that this was posted on April 1st a bad thing?

  9. So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It will be available to OEMs and enterprise customers on April 29. ... The company will wait till "early summer" to enable SP3 downloads through Automatic Updates.

    So the bad guys, who can automatically generate exploits from updates in minutes will have MONTHS to generate and deploy their malware.

    Good job, Microsoft!

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    1. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by edugeek-au · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows XP SP3 - detailed by channel schedule
      Channel / Release Vector
      Planned dates (US)


      RTM (release to manufacturing) - Apr-21
      OEM Channel - Apr-21
      Windows Update - Apr-29
      Download Centre - Apr-29
      MSDN/Technet Download - May-02
      Windows XP SP3 Fulfillment Media - May-19
      VL Customers via download - Jun-01
      Automatic Updates - Jun-10

    2. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by MarkLR · · Score: 4, Informative

      SP3 is not a bug fix but rather a rollup of previous fixes that users should already have and a few new features - mostly related to networking. There is no "patch" to exploit.

    3. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by fyrewulff · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, SPs are just packaged updates since the last major release. XP SP2 was the exception this time around. You already have most of SP3, if not all of it, if you've been staying up to date.

      The most notable new feature of SP3 is that it allows more CD keys to be entered into it, since they are extremely close or have run out of new ones to print that XP, XP SP1 and XP SP2 will recognize.

      The SP3 via automatic updates seems to mean to me that they are waiting that long to have a special SP3 download (like the massive 300MB or so SP2 offline installer)

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    4. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WTF? Why do MSDN and VL customers get this later than Windows Update? What exactly are we paying for?

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    5. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      WTF? Why do MSDN and VL customers get this later than Windows Update? What exactly are we paying for? For staying out of troubles.
    6. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      WTF? Why do MSDN and VL customers get this later than Windows Update? What exactly are we paying for? Testing. ;)
    7. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      WTF? Why do MSDN and VL customers get this later than Windows Update? What exactly are we paying for?/
      Testing. ;)

      Alpha testing.

      /fixed that for you

    8. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by GIL_Dude · · Score: 2, Informative

      Because they are different things. The earlier dates are for update.exe (or whatever it is called now). The other is for a pre-built VL slipstream ISO image download.

    9. Re:So the bad guys will have MONTHS. by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your missing one of the best reasons for SP3. I just installed a fresh copy of XPSP2 on a new model of computer to get the images ready. 110 MS patches later, it was caught up! Thank god for Windows Software Update Services or I would have had to download them all from Microsoft. Would have taken all day!

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  10. Added "Features" by Shikaku · · Score: 5, Informative

    Windows XP SP3 also includes a small list of previously unavailable functionality, including NAP and an update of Windows Product Activation. I love the term "functionality" because it reminds me of the DRM things in Vista. Anyway, here's what they are adding besides all previous fixes:

    "Black Hole" Router Detection Windows XP SP3 includes improvements to black hole router detection (detecting routers that are silently discarding packets), turning it on by default. Seems nice

    Network Access Protection (NAP) More for enterprise/admins. See http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/nap/napfaq.mspx.

    Descriptive Security Options User Interface The Security Options control panel in Windows XP SP3 now has more descriptive text to explain settings and prevent incorrect settings configuration. Figure 1 shows an example of this new functionality. Cool I guess.

    Enhanced security for Administrator and Service policy entries In System Center Essentials for Windows XP SP3, Administrator and Service entries will be present by default on any new instance of policy. Additionally, the user interface for the Impersonate Client After Authentication user right will not be able to remove these settings. More admin stuff. I'll skip some of it from the PDF

    Windows Product Activation As in Windows Server 2003 SP2 and Windows Vista, users can now complete operating system installation without providing a product key during a full, integrated installation of Windows XP SP3. The operating system will prompt the user for a product key later as part of Genuine Advantage. As with previous service packs, no product key is requested or required when installing Windows XP SP3 using the update package available through Microsoft Update. Note The Windows Product Activation changes in Windows XP SP3 are not related to the Windows Vista Key Management Service (KMS). This update affects only new operating system installations from integrated source media. This update affects the installation media only and is not a change to how activation works in Windows XP. I'm not so sure about this though. WPA update... I wonder what Microsoft is sneak in on this.
    1. Re:Added "Features" by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless it smells bad simply by association. "It's from MS, it must smell bad, therefore it must have something sneaky." Not necessarily good logic.

    2. Re:Added "Features" by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 2, Informative

      The product activation upgrade doesn't have any effect on patching existing systems - it's for slipstreamed media. Basically adds the feature to add the license key and activate (WGA) after installation instead of being prompted for it in the middle of the installation. They're not backporting the whole Vista activation / KMS / etc scheme to XP. If they did, their corporate customers would go nuts. Nobody wants to have to re-engineer XP deployment techniques at this point. And a bunch of corporate customers will be using XP for a while.

    3. Re:Added "Features" by Tranzistors · · Score: 2, Funny

      Translation:
      Fluffeh: It might be bad.
      CannonballHead: It might not be bad.

      Apart from apparent lack of any information, I doubt incomplete fuzzy logic is necessary bad logic.

  11. Nice work there Lou^h^h^hBill by Linker3000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.pdf - 428 KB Download
    Overview of Windows XP Service Pack 3.xps - 634 KB Download

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  12. Direct X 10 by Satanboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Still no directX 10.

    But at least I got some patches!

  13. For those of us in New Zealand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... does "early summer" mean we have to wait until next March?

  14. Re:RTM? by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're not really the customer for this if you're thinking retail. Sure, it's a patch set for end-users, but the main target is corporate / volume license customers (for example, higher ed) customers who want updated media, drivers, etc. and don't want to move to Vista yet. They're still going to be able to get and use XP (downgrade rights) via their license agreement, and many will probably use XP for another couple of years.

  15. Re:RTM? by MeMeMeMe · · Score: 3, Funny

    ??? What planet do you live on? Vista is as efficient as an elephant in a phone booth. ???

  16. MS: "Our customers are our beta testers." by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't get too excited. Remember the Microsoft motto: "Our customers are our beta testers." Remember that Microsoft is the Chief of Grief -- Let someone else have the pain. Wait until the bugs are found; SP3 version 3 may be the one you want.

    Windows XP was first released in 2001. Windows XP created severe problems for us until SP2 was released in 2004.

    So, Windows XP gave us 3 years of misery and 3 years of relative usefulness, but with extreme vulnerability to malware. And now Microsoft has declared the death of Windows XP in June 2008.

    Is it any wonder why people don't want Windows Vista?

    An indication of the hassle people had with downloading 3 years of updates is this quote from Paul Thurrott, who is over-the-top pro-Microsoft, and who often apologizes for Microsoft's abusiveness in a way that tries to make abusive behavior sound less destructive: ... the 100+ updates that Microsoft has shipped since SP2 can be a nightmare to deploy.

    My opinion is that Microsoft is very badly managed. Windows XP gave us 50% big hassles and 50% mild hassles. Do you want to partner with a company that has so frequently abused you in the past?

    1. Re:MS: "Our customers are our beta testers." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Windows 2000 was the last even slightly useful OS released from MS. As of XP with the activation shit all you get is trouble. I'm a developer and constantly change hardware configs or reinstall. The activation crap pisses me off to no end. I hate having to call Microsoft just because I added a stick of RAM or had to replace a dead hard-drive. Fucking bastards.

    2. Re:MS: "Our customers are our beta testers." by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Windows XP was first released in 2001. Windows XP created severe problems for us until SP2 was released in 2004. Unless you have something highly specific in mind, I call bullshit. I used XP SP1 for forever (SP2 broke all my games which used the Quake 3 engine, which was a good few at the time, for about six months to a year after it came out), and never had a single problem with it. I didn't use SP0, but XP SP1 was a damn good OS.
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    3. Re:MS: "Our customers are our beta testers." by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And of course therefore if you yourself never had a single problem with it, then nobody else did. No, it's highly likely that if I, in my rather typical computer use, didn't have any problems, that either this guy's problem is a) highly specific, and not representative of the quality of the OS, or b) made up.

      Windows XP SP1 was not "a damn good OS" (nor any version of Windows for that matter, but leaving that aside). If it was, there would have been no need for SP2. Well, every version of Windows since 2000 has been a damn good OS, but leaving that aside... your logic is laughable. The fact that an OS needs updates makes it poor? Well, guess that makes every OS bad, by your standards. "Perfect the first time" is a highly unreasonable standard.
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  17. Six months then. by downundarob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Early Summer!

    So somewhere around December then?

  18. Re:RTM? by Unnngh! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Something must have been pretty damn efficient to fit an elephant into a telephone booth.

  19. Re:RTM? by theeddie55 · · Score: 3, Funny

    not really, there's no specifics on the size of the elephant (or the phone booth)

  20. Update Rollups every 6 months please! by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As someone who's had to build many a Windows XP system since SP2 came out, it would be very handy if Microsoft offered a single file (similar to Windows 2000's Update Rollup) that has all patches since the last service pack. It would save me (or my company) time, and would save Microsoft on bandwidth.

    I'm aware there are third party ways to update fresh builds of XP in a more straightforward fashion (or integrate the updates in to the install disc), but where is mighty Microsoft on this? Where is the value here?

    1. Re:Update Rollups every 6 months please! by EXMSFT · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're really installing Windows via winnt32 every time? You should just use Sysprep and keep your image up to date...

    2. Re:Update Rollups every 6 months please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm aware there are third party ways to update fresh builds of XP in a more straightforward fashion (or integrate the updates in to the install disc), but where is mighty Microsoft on this? Where is the value here?

      Ummm, you don't need a third-party tool, microsoft provides lots of information on how to slipstream patches into xp before you install. This documentation has been available for years, and it is the same technique as win2000 and win2003 (dunno about vista).

      You can also script your install (search google for winnt.sif or unattend.txt) so you just turn on the system and come back in 30 minutes with everything installed the way you like it. Go look at www.msfn.org.

    3. Re:Update Rollups every 6 months please! by Macfox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah sysprep vs winnt32...Don't forget the good old HAL issues, where you need 3 or 4 images to cover all architectures and MS refuses to support switching of HAL with one image, even though it's possible.

      Seriously... You should look at BDD with SMS. It uses a combo of winnt32 to setup your images and the create per architecture sysprep images.

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    4. Re:Update Rollups every 6 months please! by 03Cobra · · Score: 2, Informative

      You've been wasting a lot of time. Microsoft has their own product for managing their own images. It's called Microsoft Deployment Toolkit (MDT). You can use it to deploy/update XP, Vista, 2003 Server, and Server 08. It stores the files in a .wim format. It's pretty neat, as it uses a write once type database so you can have multiple images in 1 wim to save on space.

      At work we use a single image to manage over 200 different computer models that can be deployed in a myriad of ways such as LiteTouch methodology which you can use either Microsoft s Deployment Server to push via PXE boot or just the good old fashion thumb drive. Or you can use the ZeroTouch methodology and use SMS to update/deploy systems without any interaction (Good for kiosk type systems).

      In a nutshell, MDT takes all the best practices for deployment (Litetouch, ZeroTouch, Automatic driver injection, user state migration, etc.) and rolls it into one application.

  21. Re:WGA required? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Informative

    The doc says you don't need WGA.

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  22. Re:RTM? by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

    Legend has it that Vista the Elephant was wandering about on the beach, minding its own business, when it spied a piano on a small island just offshore, at his favorite bar, The Funky Trunk. TFT had a land bridge briefly at low tide, but the water formed a moat to keep out the riff-raff most of the time. The durable unit sat outside on the deck, adjacent the call box. (But don't let the delightfully retro rotary dial, the old style mouthpiece, or the earpiece with the frayed, cloth-covered cord within the weathered, almost out-house-ish callbox distract you from the ivories on the piano, or the ivory on the shore, or you'll screw up the pacing of this admittedly predictable short story).
    Something of a piano aficionado , the elephant wandered out to the island to relive an Anderson and Roe moment.
    Suddenly, a shark appeared between the elephant and the island, water barely deep enough for the sleek menace to move!
    Turning in alarm, the elephant started to move back to the shore. Another shark! What to do? Arriving at full panic, the elephant leapt with stunning mechanical efficiency clear over the first predator, landing in the phone booth.
    Now you know the story of how Vista jumped the shark.

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  23. Re:WGA? by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering SP2 did (IIRC) I would assume so.

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  24. One question. by Allnighterking · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Will it make it out before the proposed "EOL" for XP in June?

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  25. Re:RTM? by realcoolguy425 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You sir have made me go log in for the first time in years to post a reply to Slashdot. Incorporating the only animal that can't jump, and Microsoft into a legendary parable... We need to invent new words to describe awesome.

  26. Re:RTM? by alshithead · · Score: 4, Funny

    "You sir have made me go log in for the first time in years to post a reply to Slashdot. Incorporating the only animal that can't jump, and Microsoft into a legendary parable... We need to invent new words to describe awesome."

    Wait just a minute. I'm sure elephants can jump. I've seen it in lots of cartoons.

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  27. Re:So much service! - Broadcom does work by Perseid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We go from:

    Ubuntu most of the time requires no specific knowledge. Start the live cd, double click the install icon and click next. Wait fifteen minutes and you have a stable system. to

    No, this commment would classify you as a bit of a n00b. You still using Ubuntu? You can get broadcom cards to work using firmware from linuxwireless + the b43 kernel module. I personally prefer to just compile the Zen Kernel from git (not to be confused with Xen). It's bleeding edge and fast. http://waninkoko.info/?q=node/14 Otherwise, just build the kernel module and get the firmware. I'm graduated from Kubuntu to Arch, and now am switching from Arch to Gentoo so I can have even more control and more speed. *blink*
  28. Re:So much service! - Broadcom does work by notamisfit · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I know. How the fuck do you think I'm on the net right now? Still, it takes a bit of homework and pre-planning to get it to work properly, which is a bit above and beyond for the average XP user thinking about Linux. Good luck with Gentoo, btw. I used it for about six months a few years back and "never again" is all I gotta say.

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  29. Re:I will slipstream it and add the driver pack to by Gazzonyx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just wanted to say thanks; driverpacks.net has saved me so much time and hassle slipstreaming and integrating images for work. Between driverpack.net, RyanVM, WPI, nlite and msfn.org forums, I've saved countless hours. I would have spent all that time either collecting files, writing scripts, etc. or just going through a Dell 'clean' install (which, even at my fastest, takes about 3 hours to slim down and then install the company apps, and configure/add to domain). Your driver packs saved my bacon a few months ago when the Dell cd drive died and I had to use one off the shelf. I've also pulled raw infs from them on occasion when I've needed a driver that I didn't want to hunt down. Thank you!

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  30. what about drivers? by sentientbrendan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    XP SP2 is ancient, and doesn't have tons of drivers for things as basic as SATA (for your harddrive), or new network interface cards. This makes win XP installation on newer machines a nightmare.

    Are they going to be selling win XP SP3 cd's with SP3 and drivers?

    As a side note, reading the download page and spec was pretty funny. They must have mentioned "XP SP3 doesn't contain new features" (it actually does contain new features if you read further) like 5 or 6 times. Someone is pretty scared that XP is going to kill Vista.

  31. Re:WGA required? by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But will SP3 install WGA?

  32. Re:Huh??? by rts008 · · Score: 4, Funny

    A phone booth is where Clark undresses into Superman, Peter undresses to Spiderman, the Shoeshine boy turns into Underdog, and Dr. Who does some really strange stuff.
    Where have you been?

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  33. Re:I will download and have a look... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't get the ISO, it's corrupt

  34. Re:RTM? by captain_dope_pants · · Score: 3, Funny

    Elephants can't jump.

    I thought it was white men
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  35. Re:RTM? by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 2, Funny

    Elephants can in fact jump and rather high, too. Just not here. They've been patiently guiding human evolution until we reach the point where we can take them to the moon.

  36. If Vista didn't suck by phorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Vista didn't suck, you'd have no reason to complain...

    That's a pretty big "if" right there. If Vista didn't suck, I'm sure some of the anti-MS zealots would still complain, but there would be a lot more of us (myself included) that would be willing to move off of XP.

    As it is, the choices are:

    a) XP: Doesn't run things like DX10, newer hardware, and support is being curtailed
    b) Vista: Make powerful machines run like crud, and base-level machines cause you to reminisce fondly of your old 386. Extra, useless cruft. Familiar menus relocated for no apparent reason.
    c) Alternate OS (Linux, etc) Learning curve (for some). Doesn't run all software that the above may run. Doesn't run all hardware. Less (but growing) industry support/recognition

    None of these are exactly a perfect choice... I would have been happy with a Vista/Linux dual-boot if not for the suckitude of Vista.

  37. Re:RTM? by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Very true, as long as you've updated the daylight saving time entries in the registry, have a third-party firewall, don't need Quicktime, and have kindly-written XP drivers for any newer hardware. The single greatest thing about XP was that Microsoft shipped it with a 9 in this registry key:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\CompletionChar
    Of course you can do that yourself in Win2k.