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Getting Rid of Staff With High Access?

HikingStick writes "I've been in the tech field for over 15 years. After more than nine years with the same company, I've been asked to step in and establish an IT department for a regional manufacturing firm. I approached my company early, providing four weeks notice (including a week of pre-scheduled [and pre-approved] vacation time). I have a number of projects to complete, and had planned to document some of the obscure bits of knowledge I've gleaned over the past nine years for the benefit of my peers, so I figured that would give me plenty of time. That was on a Friday. The following Monday, word came down from above that all of my privileged access was to be removed — immediately. So, here I sit, stripped of power with weeks ahead of me. From discussions with my peers in other companies, I know that cutting off high-privilege users is common, but usually in conjunction with a severance offer (to keep their hands off the network during those final weeks, especially if there is any ill-will). Should I argue for restored access, highlight the fact that I am currently a human paperweight, request a severance package, or simply become the most prolific Slashdot poster over the next few weeks? Does your company have a policy/process for dealing with high-privilege users who give notice? What is it, and do you make exceptions?"

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  1. It's really the company's decision by xmas2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your situation kinda sucks as it sounds like you are a diligent worker who wants to help the company. But as long as they are paying you, it's really their choice how they want to use your services. All you can do is when your co-workers ask for your help in passing the torch, mention that you are hand-cuffed by the lack of access and have them request it for you.

    P.S. Some activities to pass the time would include Watching Grass Grow and/or Watching Paint Dry.

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    1. Re:It's really the company's decision by Jason+Earl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What the organization really needs is some time to find out what sorts of things break when you aren't around to poke at them. For the next month they have the benefit of your knowledge, should they need it, but you won't be able to do stuff. This will allow existing staff members to learn to cover gaps while you are still around in case of an emergency.

      You are leaving. The company is far less interested in what you can do for them in your last few weeks than they are in learning how to live without you. That basically requires that they cut you out of the loop as soon as possible.

    2. Re:It's really the company's decision by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd get way more creative than that. Misuse all the office supplies you can. For instance, write a lengthy daily report and print it in as many formats as you can (Babelfish it into every language, print it in landscape, use funny fonts, etc.), and then use at least 20 or 30 paperclips to hold it together.

      Waste others' time the way they are wasting yours. Request frequent meetings with superiors to go over your daily reports. Hold very frequent meetings with random groups of underlings to discuss strange topics. For example, you could have an 8:15 meeting with the receptionist, an entry-level programmer, and a sock puppet regarding the situation in Myanmar, followed by a 9:00 meeting with the same entry-level programmer, a different sock puppet, and the janitor regarding your detailed synopsis of the new Indiana Jones movie.

      Make loud phone calls about your internal organs. Bring cake every day and insist that it's someone's birthday. Mix cat food in with Chex Mix and leave a bowl of it in the break room - see how much is gone at the end of the day. Etc.

      Just because you aren't allowed to do any work doesn't mean you have to be bored or watch grass grow to pass the time.

    3. Re:It's really the company's decision by ari_j · · Score: 5, Funny

      I almost forgot one. Give seminars/lessons/tutorials on various, purely trivial topics. Teach the history of the ampersand or the origins of the Gin and Tonic.

    4. Re:It's really the company's decision by Amouth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      very true.. where i work it is policy that when you give your notice your login is turned of completely - your are then paired with someone else in the office - your e-mail box is forwardedto them with an auto reply to mailers of the contact change.

      that pairing allows you to cover and discuss what you where doing and what needs to be picked up.

      instead of spending your last weeks finishing your job you spend the last weeks as a source of information as someone else is trained to cover your job.

      so far it has worked really well for us

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    5. Re:It's really the company's decision by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. Screw em. If the higher up's think you are worthless and cut your access then give them what they want. A human paperweight. surf slashdot, do as little as possible, when challenged say, "I would love to, but you will not let me."

      Your example is exactly why giving notice is not something you really do anymore. I got further screwed. I was nice like you and did all that, then HR came back with a letter, "All vacation is canceled" you cant take vacation after you give notice, you also forfeit all vacation and sick time accrued.

      So I sat there and watched TV the last 2 weeks in my office. I was going to document all I knew, I decided that I was not going to as they wanted to be jerks about me being a good guy.

      I still get calls from people there about systems that I was the only expert on. I reply with, "what is your PO number for this consulting call? I would love to help you but management and HR told me point blank that everything has to be done by the book."

      So they hired another firm to help them, that firm contracts me out as the consultant. It pisses off the upper managers.

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    6. Re:It's really the company's decision by egburr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't do this. They aren't wasting your time. They are still paying you. Instead, consider talking to your boss about leaving sooner (if you are ready to move to the new job) since they have nothing for you to do.

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    7. Re:It's really the company's decision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I remember when I was 18 and knew everything. Every seasoned interviewer knows that the reference it check is not the immediate past or current employer but 2 or more back. The current employer has an incentive to lie if they are getting rid of a bad employee. To the original poster - do your job as best you can and live with the decision. Try and pass along any undocumented knowledge to good employees that will use it correctly.

    8. Re:It's really the company's decision by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      The moderator must have fallen for the cat-food-in-Chex-trick. Too close to home to be a neutral.

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    9. Re:It's really the company's decision by Kelbear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I recommend the parent's suggestion. Continue your remaining work days by assisting your replacements. Not just because you're still being paid, but because it's satisfying to give your best work with what you have. If this means that getting access back is necessary, then start that process as well. Idling is nice as a break here and then, but a whole day of it will be very unfulfilling.

      Also, It's nice to leave without burning bridges. Who knows, maybe some of the people you leave behind may remember you in a positive light later in your career and provide an opportunity?

    10. Re:It's really the company's decision by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While I can agree with that assessment, there needs to be a clear cut policy. I've had two companies where they would pick and choose who got let go immediately and who finished out their two weeks. When it came time for me to leave, I didn't give them the choice. When it's a choice between being loyal to my current company by shortchanging the company I'm moving to or being loyal to the company I'm moving to and removing the choice from my current company, I'll take the latter.

      Also, the first time anyone had heard that the company might let people go instead of letting them serve out their two weeks was when our supervisor (who was extremely well liked) gave his two weeks, was given a box and escorted to the door in a very humiliating manner. The company then claimed that it was standing policy in spite of the fact that multiple people of all levels had served out their two weeks. Morale tanked and it was awful for productivity.

    11. Re:It's really the company's decision by Fuzzzy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some people are doing that for years! A guy I know tried to figure out how much time it will take Microsoft to fire him.
      So he didn't do anything, not even touching the keyboard.
      But it didn't work. At the end, he became too bored, and decided to quit himself..

    12. Re:It's really the company's decision by edremy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some of us have kids. Work *is* my break...

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  2. Nice to know by nizo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow, I will have to remember to give four weeks notice next time instead of two.

    Thanks for the heads up!

    1. Re:Nice to know by FritzTheCat1030 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My family owns a couple of businesses, when an employee gives notice -- we say -- thanks, the good news is you can start your new job early. Security escorts them out, problem solved.
      They give notice, you respond by firing them. In many instances, you're going to pay for their unemployment benefits now. Not to mention, if you have important employees who you would LIKE to get notice from if they decide to leave, they're much less likely to give you notice now since they know of your previous behavior.
    2. Re:Nice to know by slashname3 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I guess to some employers, once you say you're leaving, you're persona non grata. If they don't want to use your time any more, it's their dime. Cheers

      I was laid off from one large company once and they provided two months of paid time off. Once they notified me they cut off access. Their take was that my new job was to find another job. The kicker was that if you found another job during that time period then you did not get the payoff package at the end of the two months. Kind of funny, I found a new job just after the check cleared. They setup the rules, we just play by them.

      I also had a situation a long time ago where a contractor that worked for me decided he was going to relocate for a new job. He gave two weeks notice. I checked his projects he had which were done and told him that he was no longer needed. I did not have any make work that justified me paying him for another two weeks. Such is the life of a contractor.

      And don't forget the main rule here, no one is irreplaceable. No one! Not even you. (Yes, I even mean you there in the back with four digit /. id and the smug look on your face!) If you drop off the face of the Earth tomorrow the world is not going to end. Sure, there may be a few glitches here and there but someone will step in and keep things going. People that feel like they are irreplaceable are going to have a major ego correction at some point in their life. Some sooner than later.
    3. Re:Nice to know by plague3106 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Is that by convention or by law? In the US employment is voluntary. You don't HAVE to give any notice at all, but it's considered professional to do so.

  3. It's even surprising you must stay. by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In the early nineties, my dad was a high-privilege employee at a bank. Anyway, due to office politics, he pretty much got the boot because one of the higher ups didn't like him. (You know, how easy it is to fire someone if you really want). He had been working there for nearly 20 years, and according to local law he had 6 months notice. He was disallowed to go to the bank during those 6 months: from one day to another he sat at home.

    I heard this is pretty much the rule with high-privilege employees. So, I'd suggest, sit back, enjoy yourself and troll on slashdot as if there were no tomorrow.

  4. nope by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Funny

    if you think that this will make you the only person taking a pay check to sit around all day and do nothing more than post to slashdot, you are sorely mistaken.

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  5. Request "Gardening Leave" by Pope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a delightful term I learned from my UK counterparts. Essentially you're still under employ by the current company so cannot do work for your new one or any competition, and you relax at home while getting paid. It's like paid vacation, except not, since you could theoretically be called in to work at any point.

    AKA. request to work from home if your access is revoked, since you can't do anything at that location now anyway.

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  6. Let me put it this way... by hyades1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    We look forward to hearing from you...frequently.

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  7. Enjoy the break by DataBroker · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's in the company's interest for you to do nothing. They actually will prefer if you do absolutely nothing because of their own liability. As a regular employee, if you mess something up it's just negligence (oops). On the other hand if the company terminates you and still gives you access, and then you mess something up, they're criminally liable because they should have restricted your access.

    For example, I worked on banking software and had god-rights. If I as a regular employee steal all of the customer data and sell it, then I am the criminal. If I have been terminated and do the same, then they are at fault. Now yes, I realize that it's a pedantic difference, but the banks which run the software see a world of difference and will sue the my employer accordingly.

    Believe me, it's cheaper to pay me 6 months severance than it is to be sued for my actions.

  8. Nothing new here by sjvn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to be common now for companies' to strip users of all their privileges ASAP. If you think this was bad, be glad you're not be laid-off. I've often many people tell me that they learned they no longer had a job when their sessions were terminated in the middle of the work day.

    Welcome to the work-world of the 21st century.

    Steven
    http://www.practical-tech.com/
    http://blogs.computerworld.com/sjvn

    1. Re:Nothing new here by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've often many people tell me that they learned they no longer had a job when their sessions were terminated in the middle of the work day. Yah, I had a similar thing happen to me. Middle of the day, suddenly my whole connection goes down and I can't re-establish it. I get really pissed off because I had just spent the last 3 months working 80 hour weeks getting my manager's stupid pet project out the door on time, just to have it cancelled at the last minute. I storm in to my manager's office and tear into him about "how dare you lay me off" and "this company will die without me" and "your mother sucks so-and-so in etc," and on and on.

      He tries to interrupt me with some lame explanation, but I'm having none of it. I pick up his stupid little "certificate of excellence" award he got at the last quarterly meeting and throw it against the wall, shattering it to pieces. He tries to call security, but I rip the phone out of his hand and continue to hurl abuse that would make the paint peel if he didn't keep the office at 60 goddamn degrees all the time, rendering it permanently encased in ice.

      Finally, some of my fellow co-workers come in and ask what's going on. I tell them I've been laid off, and so they start in on the boss too. How could you do this to our best employee, who do you think you are, etc. By this time, my boss is in a corner in the fetal position weeping softly. My two co-workers quit on the spot in solidarity, and throw their laptops at my boss, who is knocked unconcious by one of them, while the other smashes into his new 24" wide-screen HD monitor.

      At last, my co-workers head off to the bar to continue the rant about the injustice of it all, while I go back to my desk to put my "wall o' tech books" in a box. While, I'm there, I happen to notice the back of my computer. Turns out I had knocked the Ethernet cable out with my foot.

      Oops.
  9. Here's a plan: by Ihlosi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Do nothing. 2. Keep bits of obscure information for yourself unless they come asking for it. 3. Start new job. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT !

    Rumor has it that step 4 has something to do with becoming a highly-paid consultant for the old company.

  10. Re:Are you crazy by shawnmchorse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you ever had nothing to do at work for that long? I can handle surfing the Internet at work for maybe a week. After that, the boredom is excruciating. Believe me, being completely ignored by your company can sometimes be almost as bad as other things.

  11. Warcraft FTW by civik · · Score: 5, Funny

    You could level a character to 70 no problem in 4 weeks. Enjoy!

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  12. fuck it up for everyone else by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny

    get your work ip address banned by slashdot and wikipedia.

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  13. You're not supposed to finish your projects by notthepainter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Really, you aren't.

    You should spend the next 3 weeks documenting your projects. That is what the company needs from you. So few companies get this, want you coding until the last minute.

    What happens when your stuff breaks? The next folks start at your documentation and go from there. Internal wiki's are great for this.

  14. Consult your replacement. by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That would be the ethical thing to do. At this stage you don't need the high access as your replacement has the access. I would work closely with your replacement explaining things to them that may not be nessarly documented, even if they are documented people most likely don't want to read it. So use the time to give your replacement the upper hand. There is a lot you can do without having root/administrator access.

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  15. Re:Are you crazy by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good time to pick up a new skill/programming language or refresh your knowledge, etc.

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  16. Re:Are you crazy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    2 words, internet porn.

    He's a Unix, you insensitive clod!

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  17. Keeping someone who will leave is sometimes good by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Notice is for sallies, real men just quit. After all -- do they give you notice when your going to be let go? No.

    The one time I was laid off I was told it was effective in six weeks. I spent much of that time documenting and training coworkers on projects that I had worked solo on. My network access and other privileges were not affected. I asked the VP of engineering if I could take some of the source code home for reference so that I could answer questions over the phone or by email after I left. He drafted a letter stating that I was allowed to keep the source for this purpose only and that it remained company IP and could not be disclosed to anyone else. We both signed it.

    This was about a 150 person company owned by a large international conglomerate. The VP was originally from the conglomerate's corporate headquarters and joined us two years earlier when we were acquired. The rest of management was local. I had been there about four years. A year after my layoff the situation at the company had improved and I was asked to return.

    The moral of the story:
    I don't deny that it is common to be immediately cutoff when you resign, but it is not a given.
    Don't burn bridges.

    It's a waste of money to pay someone who doesn't even want to be working for you. Obviously their output is going to be nill so their pay should be nill.

    Myself and at least one other poster have demonstrated diligence training those who will be taking over. I think it is far more of an individual judgement call based on past projects and the individual level of trust.

    If you are going to be involved in managing those family businesses I would suggest a less black and white perspective. Sorry, but management is not easy and such a black and white perspective often indicate the less capable managers or someone in an unforgiving bureaucratic/politicized environment who needs to cover their ass with policy compliance. That said, I agree that it many cases the proper decision is immediate cutoff, immediately issuing a final check, and wishing them well as you walk them out in a friendly manner. My point is merely that in some cases keeping them around for a little while can be beneficial to the company.