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Jupiter's Third Red Spot
Jupiter's Great Red Spot, the solar system's largest (and longest-lived) storm, was joined by another in 2006, dubbed Red Spot Junior. Now a third red spot near the first two has been photographed by the Hubble space telescope. This is a storm about half the size of Earth. Here's a photo of the new storm (it's the one on the left). From New Scientist: "No one knows for sure what gives the three spots their red color. But one theory is that especially violent storms dredge up material from deeper in Jupiter's atmosphere, such as phosphorus-containing molecules, which undergo chemical reactions that turn them red when exposed to sunlight."
Jupiter really has to start wearing protection when it goes all retrograde with Venus.
With a powerful enough laser (more powerful than we currently have, IIRC), it might be possible to lase the area of the Red Spot and perform absorption spectroscopy.
If you haven't been down-modded lately, you aren't trying.
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What would be really, really cool is if we ever send a probe that could figure out the core of these massive gas giants. Solid iron? Molten nickel? Some weird mix of whoknowswhat?
The article explicitly says: "The new spot's size has not been announced. The Great Red Spot is roughly as wide as the entire Earth." And from the photo, the new one definitely isn't half the size of the Great Red Spot.
It's true that there's not much on Jupiter besides atmosphere, but it's still weird to see what amounts to just a huge cyclone lasting for centuries -- or more -- I suppose we don't have any good idea when the Gred Red Spot first appeared.
Presumably Earth's atmosphere is just too thin to support weather systems of that longevity, although it's hard to think of a good scaling argument for why the size, thickness, mass et cetera of the atmosphere should dictate the scale of the duration of events in it.
But I wonder if there are parallels in ocean events, here? We have the El Nino/Nina business, the Atlantic Oscillation, and these things at least have periods near decades. Perhaps some of what we consider "permanent" features of the oceans, like the Gulf Stream, are merely "storms" like Jupiter's Red Spot that last several centuries.
Jupiter is starting puberty. Now, just how long will it be before it starts to repel away from the sun?
Jupiter should really get that looked at, it seems to have metastasized. Yikes.
I start the day with coffee and I end it with a beer. In between I wonder what the hell I'm doin' here.
Look at how global warming is affecting even outer space. You SUV drivers should be ashamed.
The increased storm activity on Jupiter is a result of Anthropogenic Global Warming. I blame George Bush.
the smallest of the 3 is on a collision course with the largest. they should merge in August.
The OP succinctly and humorously made several valid points:
1) Global warming is occurring everywhere in the solar system due to increased solar activity.
2) This fact is completely unknown to most everybody who "believes" (as you put it) that global warming is a crisis.
3) The fact of extraterrestrial warming is glossed over entirely by scientists and media presenting information to the public because it would "damage the cause".
Your "unbiased" "scientific" mindset causes you to be ready to jump down the throats of anyone who voices a contrary opinion. It apparently has deleterious effects on the sense of humor as well.
The GP was not humorous. It was simply insulting, and in a completely derivative way. It's like the whole Clinton blowjob thing, it's been done to death, okay? Yes, we get it, you think people who believe in global warming are stupid.
1.) Earth is warming much, much faster than other planets.
2.) Venus isn't warming.
3.) The amount of warming on Earth can not be explained by increased solar activity.
4.) The fact is not unknown, it is accounted for, and this fact is what is not known by idiot deniers.
5.) The discrepancy between earthly warming and extraterrestrial warming is glossed over entirely by deniers because it would "damage the cause."
You have obviously already made up your mind about global warming, and no amount of evidence will sway you. Your biased mindset causes you to jump down the throat of anyone who presents an opinion different than yours. It also causes you to think that juvenile insults and cheap shots are "humorous."
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First it was Mars. "Better Red and Dead!" Now it's Jupiter. Oh, it starts as just one red spot. Then, when your telescope is pointed at Saturn, another appears, then another. We're on a decline that will not be stopped.
We interrupt this rant to prevent any insipid Uranus puns.
Move along, now. Nothing to see here.
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I wonder who they're using Planetary Protector (Deniable) against this time?
You know you've become too partisan about an issue when you don't allow anyone to poke any fun at it.
Besides, if you somehow made the joke in the opposite direction, and put it on late-night TV along with similar jokes, it'd be called the Colbert Report and thousands of people would cheer you on and practically think you're the Second Coming.
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Hydrogen lies at the top of the Alkali Metals in the Periodic Table of Elements, and usually it is the "outlier" of the group. Maybe this just shows it isn't that much different than the others after all, if you're blind to insanely high pressures. Then again, I don't know what Sodium metal under 6 million bars of pressure would look or act like.
1.) Earth is warming much, much faster than other planets. Really? How do you know this? From the multiple millions of temperature sensors on Mars? From the hundreds of years of relatively accurate Jupiter-wide temperature readings?
Oh wait, you can't know that with any accuracy. 2.) Venus isn't warming. Venus is already unique in being by far the hottest planet. Nice way to bolster your "case" by pointing to the biggest outlier temperature-wise in the whole Solar system.
Twit. 3.) The amount of warming on Earth can not be explained by increased solar activity. Huh? Which Earth are you living on? Sun gets hotter, Earth gets hotter. 4.) The fact is not unknown, it is accounted for, and this fact is what is not known by idiot deniers. Ad hominem bullshit. What's that about "idiots"?
Go look in the mirror, moron. 5.) The discrepancy between earthly warming and extraterrestrial warming is glossed over entirely by deniers because it would "damage the cause." Right, because there's absolutely no difference in the accuracy and number of temperature readings on the Earth and locations off the Earth.
And there are no NASA scientists taking $1x10^6 from George Soros to cook the numbers from off-Earth. You have obviously already made up your mind about global warming, and no amount of evidence will sway you. Your biased mindset causes you to jump down the throat of anyone who presents an opinion different than yours. It also causes you to think that juvenile insults and cheap shots are "humorous." You don't seem to have anything approximating a mind.
And you probably really do think you're smart, too.
I meant just what I said. The fact that the leader of the Jovian faction most opposed to warming mitigation measures has a name which translates most closely to "George Bush" is pure coincidence, I'm sure.
The second article in the story claims that the Big Red Spot is "roughly as wide as the entire Earth", which of course is wrong it's about 3 times the diameter of earth, as the first and correct article claims.
;)
So their problem wasn't reading too fast, it was clicking the wrong link.
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Which is actually know anything.
2) This fact is completely unknown to most everybody who "believes" (as you put it) that global warming is a crisis.
No, it's known by a great many. It's already been studied, and accounted for, by climatologists. It's discussed frequently with regards to global warming, because increasing solar output combined with increased greenhouse gases makes the problem even worse.
Your "unbiased" "scientific" mindset causes you to be ready to jump down the throats of anyone who voices a contrary opinion.
Why yes we're ready to jump down the throats of peoples whose opinions are conceived in abject ignorance, but who insist on presenting their uneducated ignorant opinions as though it is not only equal to, but superior, to the opinions of those who have done actual science in the field. These are not the same type of opinion. Stop pretending that having this explained to you is somehow a form of censorship or a sign of just how unreasonable everyone else is.
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...when the three red spots are on Uranus.
John McCain. He'll remember how old the great red spot is.
yay, increased solar activity along side CO2 levels! man, we're screwed no matter how we slice it. Thanks for the response, i hadn't thought of the solar factors.
Yeah, climate scientists are just going to ignore the #1 factor that controls natural climate change when they are making their climate models. :p
The IPCC has a nice graph that shows the magnitude of various forcings on climate change. The chapter that has this is right here (pdf). Ultimately, the concensus amoung scientists are that natural solar forcing is minor compared to man-made forcings. That is not to say there isn't an effect, and certainly the observations of climate change on Jupiter and Mars is evidence of this.
2) This fact is completely unknown to most everybody who "believes" (as you put it) that global warming is a crisis. False dichotomy.
What about people who are not convinced that global warming is man-made and still think this constitutes a crisis?
Seriously, let's assume, as you do, that this is all caused by an unexplained increase in solar activity. What if this trend is going to continue? This would mean even more pronounced climate change, which affects the viability of our civilization, or at the very least will cause localized problems. Whether or not climate change is man made is completely irrelevant.
Actually, that's not true. If this is a natural cycle, then bringing climate back down to a livable condition will be even harder than just cleaning the pollution we've put in. And then we have to be able to put it back up when the solar cycle turns around.
In the end, for one reason or another, we have to terraform Earth.
It's just a planetary-scale engineering project, how hard can it be? We should get started.
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Please mod up people who try blaming this on Microsoft. After all, this is Slashdot, and we have a reputation to uphold.
So if you over populate a planet, cut down forests, grow more food, what happens?
You will change rain fall patterns, the mountains might still be as cold, but get less rain, thus the glaciers shrink, its still cold tho. They always melted, but the huge amount of new
snow kept it balanced.
So yes, the planet is warming, but its the cause thats iffy I think, is it 100% co2 based? doubt it, its not that powerful, and I bet the rain fall pattern change
is a bigger factor. Its nice to blame peoples consumptions, but if we say, hey it doesnt matter how green we live, its the fact of this many people thats the problem, then
the current people wont bother to live green.
An orderly decline in populations is needed, 1 child policy, which will be massively bad for economies, but thats better than 50% of the population starving to death in a 12 month period.
Mr Economist - take note, you cannot increase perpetually the population growth, learn some physics. Even nature knows this, if stars get too big they supernova.
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/. away and go work on some teaching materials on a computer that is definitely contributing to the global entropy by running energy piped from a nuclear reactor through a Rube Goldberg contraption of a scale that very few of previous centuries could have even begun to imagine. Lots of entropic processes here.
/. itself existed. If you want to solve the problem, however, screaming about it is not the best solution. There is plenty to do in learning to use less damaging technologies to get the necessary jobs done, in learning to leave the unnecessary jobs undone, in encouraging others to do the same from your example, and in preparing for when it all hits the fan. The more sane people there are when the waves and the droughts and the plagues hit, the more sane people there will be who survive.
As someone who believes that industry has been far too wasteful of far too many things for far too many decades, I see at the whole "global warming" crusade in pretty much the same way as I see Greenpeace and Soukagakkai and Scientology.
Out of balance.
A day late and a hundred dollars short.
Barking up the wrong tree. Searching under the lamppost where they think there's light instead of in the shadows where the wallet was dropped.
Running around screaming the obvious answers instead of stopping to dig for the real meanings to things.
In the best light, getting excited about a single micro-diamond of truth when there are large pearls, rubies, amethysts, sapphires, beryls, all sorts of things of value just lying around being ignored. In the worst light, riding the handiest hobby horse of a true principle because it makes them feel empowered.
If you really think global warming is simply a matter of reducing greenhouse gases, fine. You start. Turn off your computer, go get a poster, and demonstrate somewhere. The worst you'll generate doing that is a little methane. Be sure to walk or bike there, of course. (Not knocking footpower, I don't have a car, myself. Just reminding you.)
In the meantime, I'm going to put
Helping teach kids to think for themselves instead of contributing to the economic and sociological entropy by buying packaged answers like the current fuss about global warming.
It's going to happen. It was already way too late before
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Much like the recent All Important Astronomy is Out to Prove Extra-Terrestrial Life phenomenon, I believe there are a lot of scientists are picking topics because they are worried about funding. You must admit that there isn't a whole lot of money in an opposition opinion on this subject.
1. Yes
2. I think AGW is high on the list of several urgent global problems and I am also aware of the solar flux thing - so I put this one down as anecdotal.
3. Mass media maybe, they seem to need a target to point their finger at in just about everything. Scientists however have done no such thing - please look at this widely accepted graph that is in line with, and easier to understand than, the IPCC findings most recently described in the 2007 IPCC SPM.
BTW: IANAC and I agree the OP was humourous.
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B*llocks.
First, if anyone needs funding to investigate an idea that global warming isn't caused by greenhouse gases, he only needs to give Exxon a ring.
Second, like it or not, quite a few scientists have a job for life and are therefore less interested by funding than by inaugurating a new era of understanding, and if that means taking down some widely held belief, so much the better. If someone discovered that global warming was caused by a shift in the sun neutrinos polarity interacting with an iron crystal at the center of the planet (to pull out a Star-Trek sounding "explanation"), there'd be a Nobel prize for the taking. And that matters much more than mere funding. It would be nice if people like you realized that science isn't fallible because its practitioner are only human, but rather that it succeeds because it.
Third, it always make me laugh when people dismiss years of observation at thousands of locations on earth, with ice core going back thousands of years back, but readily put forward a single measurement from millions of kilometers way that may hint at a possibility that other planets may be warming too.
I bet if someone squeezes the new red spot, a giant plume of sticky white puss will come out!
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