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Firefox Goes for World Download Record

Kelson writes "For the upcoming release of Firefox, Mozilla is preparing Download Day 2008: a campaign to set a world record for the most software downloaded in 24 hours. Participants are asked to pledge to download Firefox 3 on the day that it's launched. The exact date hasn't been scheduled yet, but everything seems on track for June."

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  1. Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by Apatharch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are they trying to kill their own servers or what?

    1. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by QuantumPete · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like inviting a DDOS attack. I suppose it has the dual merit of setting world record and testing their server capacity.

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    2. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 4, Funny

      and testing their server capacity.

      while /bin/true; do wget -c http://download.mozilla.com/whatever/firefox-3.0.0-is-awesome.tar.gz; done

      Well--I'm ready to help them meet their goal. ;)

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    3. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by jc42 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are they trying to kill their own servers or what?

      Doesn't matter. On the Big Day, it's guaranteed that someone will announce it here, and within minutes we'll slashdot the server.

      Someone else suggested getting the current beta version, because it seems to work just fine. This won't help their server, though, because on the Big Day, your beta version will check, find that there's an upgrade, ask if you want to download it - and you'll join in the slashdotting.

      They should just put the server on a slow net connection. That way, the bottleneck would be upstream of them, and we'd just get "no connection" messages asking if we'd like to try again. Only N of us would be able to get through at any given time, keeping their server up, and frustrating their rabid fans.

      Or maybe they're just expecting that the can handle the onslaught. Whatever happens, you'll read about it here.

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    4. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by tirnacopu · · Score: 2, Informative

      wget -c will exit immediately as the file is fully downloaded ;)

    5. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Funny

      The corporate email server went down after receiving over 800 emails in less than one second.


      Yeah, and that was just the normal Microsoft Exchange startup sequence.
    6. Re:Perhaps not the cleverest plan... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      wget -c will exit immediately as the file is fully downloaded ;)

      Damnit--you're right. I'll bet Hello World had a bug the first time they tried to run it.

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  2. Patch Tuesday by pjt33 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's the current record? I'd expect MS service packs to set a pretty high bar. Also, how are they counting? If Debian get Firefox 3 through into testing on the day (which I doubt), would an install via aptitude count, or are they only counting direct downloads from Mozilla?

    1. Re:Patch Tuesday by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Probably as in previous download counts, they are only counting downloads from Mozilla. As for Microsoft service packs, should a patch really count?

    2. Re:Patch Tuesday by Crock23A · · Score: 5, Funny

      I bet WOW patches are high ranking.

    3. Re:Patch Tuesday by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As for Microsoft service packs, should a patch really count? They are Software. So if they want to set a world record for the most software downloaded in 24 hours of course service packs count.
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    4. Re:Patch Tuesday by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I bet WOW patches are high ranking.
      I bet not. How many Windows users are there? What percentage of those Windows users play WOW? (Hint: it's probably not even a majority.)
    5. Re:Patch Tuesday by unlametheweak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would suspect "software downloads" would imply an independent application and not a patch or a service pack. I'm sure they have their servers prepared to get Slashdotted and Digged, etc for the marketing event. Though I wonder why Microsoft with it's money couldn't hire a marketing firm to think up something savvy like that for Internet Explorer.

      It would also be a great opportunity to promote bittorent as a mass downloading medium. Too bad it doesn't seem to be in the plan.

    6. Re:Patch Tuesday by manwal · · Score: 2, Informative

      Anything goes; there is currently no world record in this category.

    7. Re:Patch Tuesday by EvilRyry · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but people _need_ to download the WoW patches as soon as they come out to continue to feed their addictive whereas Windows users are usually (or should be) scared to download the newest service pack when it first comes out.

    8. Re:Patch Tuesday by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Two words: Automatic Updates,

    9. Re:Patch Tuesday by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bittorent doesn't allow for tracking downloads. It's one of the things that really holds it back for general use for a lot of companies. For example, a lot of internet TV shows would LOVE to use bittorent to reduce their download overhead (which is HUGE), but how are they supposed to determine their "ratings" if they're not sure how many donwloads they've had? They used to talk a lot about this over at DLTV.

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    10. Re:Patch Tuesday by pablomme · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yup. They say they're going for 5M downloads. Firefox 2 got 1.6M on its first day. Says so here

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    11. Re:Patch Tuesday by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Four words: Turned off Automatic Updates.

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    12. Re:Patch Tuesday by JavaBear · · Score: 2, Informative

      WoW clients download the majority of the larger updates weeks in advance of them being applied, and Wowwiki have a very popular patch mirror page.

    13. Re:Patch Tuesday by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Three words: Unlike most people.

    14. Re:Patch Tuesday by shift3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bet WOW patches are high ranking. One problem with this is, how many people actually download from ONLY the HTTP source? The wow Patcher uses a BitTorrent based P2P system. There is a rather high chance that you will get little, if any from their Direct HTTP Download source on any given patch day. Now, as the time that the patch was released and the time that you are downloading increases, this amount will increase as not nearly as many people will have the P2P Updater running.
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    15. Re:Patch Tuesday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Zero words:

    16. Re:Patch Tuesday by compro01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      And the slashdot parser eats your alligator, which is why we were using those phrases.

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  3. So guys... by thedrx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get your botnets ready :)

  4. Why would I have to "pledge" anything? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since presumably my Firefox 2 will bug me to update to 3 as soon as it's released?

    Not to disparage Mozilla, but lately it seems like they've been a mite too concerned with press releases. They should release when it's ready, and we'll get it when we think it's ready. What's the big rush?

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    1. Re:Why would I have to "pledge" anything? by Saint+Gerbil · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a vague recollection of getting hammered at the Asshat bar one night. Woke up with a sore arse.

    2. Re:Why would I have to "pledge" anything? by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to disparage Mozilla, but lately it seems like they've been a mite too concerned with press releases. They should release when it's ready, and we'll get it when we think it's ready. What's the big rush?

      Press releases, viral marketing, and publicity stunts like this are a big reason why worldwide Firefox market share is somewhere in the 30% range. Yeah, you've gotta have a solid product to begin with, but more open source projects would do well to emulate Mozilla's marketing and branding accomplishments.

      Also, your post implies that Firefox will somehow be rushed out the door before it's ready, but if you've been following along you know that's very far from correct. Even the "download pledge" page says they don't know the date yet.

    3. Re:Why would I have to "pledge" anything? by gnick · · Score: 2, Informative

      Main Entry: trow
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      Etymology: Middle English, from Old English trowan; akin to Old English trowe faithful, true
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  5. followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    because many popular plugins are not 3.0 ready :-(

    1. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would say that's untrue at this point. del.icio.us released their updated version, Web Developer, noscript, adblock and firebug is on FF3. In fact, I'd say most popular plugins have made the move.

    2. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by at_slashdot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who cares about "popular" plugins, the point is that the plugins that _I_ need don't work. For example Google Sync.

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    3. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by hansamurai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Then use the Nightly Tester Tool plugin to force it to work. Plugins will only work natively in Firefox 3 if the developer specifically typed that version in. I'm running Firefox RC1 at the moment and every plugin I need, large and small, works. Not all out of the box, but with Nightly Tester Tools, I can enable them and force them to work. As long as they're not dependent on an API that changed, which could be likely depending on the plugin, they will work.

    4. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by nem75 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How the hell is this "+5 Interesting"? There are roughly a gazillion of FF2 extensions out there, many of them have not been actively developed anymore for months or longer. So of course many (I'd rather say most) are not available for FF3 yet - and will probably never be.

      The core extensions (yes, the definition of that term varies from user to user, I'm aware of that - but only to a point) are available though. Like Adblock Plus, Download Statusbar etc.

      Others are available for FF3 from the developer's homepage only and cannot be found on the Mozilla site yet, e.g. because the extension itself is still beta. See Firebug for instance.

      Anyway, I don't see that massive rollback happening.

    5. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by Bombria · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most plugins do work in 3.0. You just have to disable version checking in FF.

    6. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by Qalthos · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as they're not dependent on an API that changed Such as, for example, Google Sync...
    7. Re:followed by most rollbacks to version 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Google Browser Sync is dependent on an API that changed. Nightly Tester Tools can't make it work. Sadly, this is a showstopper for me.

  6. OK... by vague+disclaimer · · Score: 2

    ...who has Mozilla's petard ready for them to hoist?

  7. big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... these are the same idiots that thought that a beta of windows vista was the single largest software download: http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/06/windows-vista-for-guinness-world.html

    show of hands: who downloaded a linux dvd iso larger than 3.5 gigabytes before vista beta was released? ... and apparently there is no "world record" to break anyway: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2008/05/mozillas-latest-firefox-launch.html

    and, are they not going to consider the millions of copies of, say, internet explorer 7, downloaded the first day it was forced through as an automatic update? or how many downloads of itunes are there in a day when apple _requires_ an update?

  8. Yeah! by SpanishInquisition0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Go for the record Mozilla! If you get it, you might even get a place right next to the Most Marshmallows Stuffed Into A Person's Mouth record!

  9. Re:I pledge not to download it by anboni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You clearly haven't worked with Fx3 yet. At first I was skeptical about the new smart bookmarks and address bar, but now that I've used it for a month or two (starting with beta 2) I'm quite pleased with it. The address bar basically does exactly the same as it always has, except now it actually does an on the fly substring search in your history instead of just giving an arbitrarily sorted list of previously visited sites. I would dare say this is one of the biggest improvements to the web browsing experience in the last several years.

  10. Re:I pledge not to download it by Fallus+Shempus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Weird, I have the release candidate, you know you can still actually use as a location bar and ignore the search, it still drops down and give suggestions of previously typed in URLs

    Don't see the problem

  11. That is not the important record ... by Jumperalex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The important one is how fast we can /. the web site :)

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  12. I'm not committing to anything. by artifex2004 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not getting the release until I know for sure it won't crash hard on my Macs, like the beta I tried did. And that it won't delete my cookies, like the beta did.

    I'd really like to see continued support for the old style of searching in the url bar, too, but I doubt that will happen. And the new look is just uglier.

    1. Re:I'm not committing to anything. by Rurik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know, that's why they have a "release candidate", which is now available. The betas are over and done with. And, I hope, as a beta user that you submitted your issues for them to be addressed and resolved.

      So... instead of wondering if it will crash, why not find out?

  13. Don't fall for the communist tricks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Completely opposite to the ideals of capitalism, those swines are trying to topple the world order with their no-cost merchandise.

    However, few can say that Firefox is a software which you shouldn't own a copy of. Let's show them that enterpreunist powers rule with a firm iron hand and instead of criminally downloading a free version, buy a CD version of firefox on that particular day.

  14. Why should we? by greenpete · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have used Firefox for a few years and love it's potential. But it has always been buggy and I was forced into v3 when I updated Ubuntu recently and I think it's got worse! It crashes more now, they have changed features that I loved (like the way you save U/N and P/W) and on top of that most of my plugins don't work anymore :-(

    1. Re:Why should we? by Kattspya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the most brilliant thing I've seen in it so far (I've used the portable beta 3 for about an hour). When the password prompt isn't a window you can make sure the pasword is correct before storing it.

  15. 100% turn out from north Korea by sakdoctor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Look, all 18 computer uses have pledged.

    1. Re:100% turn out from north Korea by SpanishInquisition0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personally, I was more shocked when I saw that Africa actually had computers at all.

    2. Re:100% turn out from north Korea by mollymoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, it's amazing how Mark Shuttleworth made billions in IT and started the most popular Linux distribution without even having a computer.

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  16. Re:I pledge not to download it by netsharc · · Score: 4, Informative

    And something Opera invented first! (Among other things like tabbed browsing, mouse gestures in a browser, a zoom feature that also resizes images, etc, etc.). And Opera 9.50 even searches the contents of pages you have visited for more WIN.

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  17. Only the windows downloads by poeidon1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    will be counted most probably. I dont know of many linux users who download directly from mozilla website. Most would use a package from their distribution which generally is not available on the same day (and even if it is, how will they count those downloads).

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  18. "The worst PR is no PR." by Sturdy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they set a record - they'll be in the news.

    If they are so successful that the servers go down temporarily - they'll definitely be in the news.

    As you can see, just submitting the idea has put them in the news. This is a great idea for a company with growing market share.

  19. Re:I pledge not to download it by Zebedeu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A not only history, it also searches your bookmarks, which is something that I've always wondered why it wasn't implemented before.

    Now you don't have to navigate your deep bookmark folders for that link, just start typing the name and it appears directly under your cursor.

  20. Make a big circle with a big marker. by BForrester · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm marking "Download Day" on my calendar right now.

    I have a big circle around 2008, and a thin one around 2009 too, just in case the news gets any more vague.

  21. Re:I pledge not to download it by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Funny

    And something Opera invented first! (Among other things like tabbed browsing, mouse gestures in a browser, a zoom feature that also resizes images, etc, etc.). And Opera 9.50 even searches the contents of pages you have visited for more WIN.

    Hehe, Opera fans are the Browser War equivalent of "Frist P0st!". Not really adding anything, just making sure everyone knows: We had that feature first! No, look at us! Over here!

    If Opera has so many great features so far ahead of everyone else, why is its usage still somewhere around 1% on a good day? If Opera can figure that out, maybe they'd get somewhere.

  22. Press = good by Nerdposeur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not to disparage Mozilla, but lately it seems like they've been a mite too concerned with press releases.

    I think this is a cool idea. There are still lots of people who don't know there are other browsers in existence; when they open IE they say they're opening "the internet." Anything that makes the news and makes them aware of alternate browsers is good - especially if it's "hey this thing is really popular." For many people, that's the best argument for trying it.

    Mozilla seems to have done pretty well by harnessing the power of fanatic users so far - remember the big newspaper ads? And check out the "pledge map" on the site. Think how proud you'd be to see that you're one of a very few people in your country who has pledged to download it. Kind of a mix of national pride and geek pride.

    Every web developer's dream is a world where all users have more standards-compliant browsers, and IE is forced to follow suit. I say hooray for almost anything that makes that closer to reality.
  23. Not the goal by Nerdposeur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would also be a great opportunity to promote bittorent as a mass downloading medium. Too bad it doesn't seem to be in the plan.

    Could they track the number of downloads if they used bittorrent? Also, if their goal is a record number of downloads for Firefox, do they want to set up an additional hurdle for people? "First, you have to download and install one of these other programs. No wait, we can explain why. Come back."

  24. Lesotho's only got 2! by soxos · · Score: 2, Funny

    Come on Lesotho, wake up.

    Also, I'm sure it's been said, but I hope they torrent this thing, else we'll have the record for most smoked servers since CNN got simultaneously Farked, Slashdotted, and Dugg for the last Britney Spears media stunt.

  25. Re:I pledge not to download it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ya, and by the same logic, if firefox is so damn good, why does the IE has 75% marketshare.

    captcha: divisive

  26. Re:I pledge not to download it by Tychon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, I've been using Fx3 since beta1. I still am not really keen on the thing. Unless I make sure to keep my bookmarks and history trimmed down, it freezes my system for a few seconds as it trudges through things. This is irritating, especially when I was just wanting to type in an address real quick and not have possible matches pulled up. It consumes more time in searching for possible results than it saves me in typing.

    Some way of reverting to the old functionality would be nice.

  27. Opera publicity? by Nerdposeur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Opera has so many great features so far ahead of everyone else, why is its usage still somewhere around 1% on a good day? If Opera can figure that out, maybe they'd get somewhere.

    Maybe they need more silly publicity stunts like this one.

  28. Re:I pledge not to download it by bucky0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This might sound dumb, but I wish the new address bar would go away. My laptop gets passed around the house, and I don't want my browsing history pop up to all my family members.

    They don't care, so they're not snooping around (I don't live with them normally, there was a death in the family so I've come back home for a bit) but they don't appreciate my youporn stuff popping up in their face because of that silly autocomplete stuff. How can I got back to the old way?

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  29. Release Canidate 2? by EnOne · · Score: 2, Informative
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  30. Re:I pledge not to download it by harry666t · · Score: 2, Informative

    You know, I've actually made up this shit. Whoever even looked at about:config, saw that there is no such key. And even when you add it, it doesn't work.

    The person who modded me informative... Has done something stupid. It only shows how stupid people are to not think for themselves... Tell them something that sounds remotely reasonable, something that they might agree with, and they'll believe, they'll follow.

    Right. Into. A. Trap.

    (I know I'm risking getting modded down to the hell. But who cares. Even only one awaken mind is worth /me losing some of my /. karma.)

  31. How 12 words equal 0 words by macdaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I Auto Installed SP3 and now my computer is a useless brick!

  32. Re:more than just publicity by Laebshade · · Score: 3, Informative

    #3 isn't wrong. It doesn't have an addon/extension system. Built-in customization features do not count. Opera has no where near the extensibility of Firefox.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Opera. I use it at work because it has the most compatibility with the websites I have to use without being IE. It's very fast and has a small footprint, CPU and memory-wise, but I just can't use it for my everyday surfing, simply because it lacks the ability to extend/support addons. The main addon I can't live without is adblock plus. Yes, I know Opera can do ad blocking, but who wants to add them by editing a file? And don't forget, adblock plus has pre-defined adblock list sources, so you don't even have to build your own just to get a decent amount of ads blocked; the list does it automatically.

    Living without something like Adblock Plus is a deal breaker when using a browser.