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Bye Bye Bananas — the Return of Panama Disease

Ant sends in a disturbing report in The Scientist on an imminent threat to worldwide banana production. "The banana we eat today is not the one your grandparents ate. That one — known as the Gros Michel — was, by all accounts, bigger, tastier, and hardier than the variety we know and love, which is called the Cavendish. The unavailability of the Gros Michel is easily explained: it is virtually extinct. Introduced to our hemisphere in the late 19th century, the Gros Michel was almost immediately hit by a blight that wiped it out by 1960. The Cavendish was adopted at the last minute by the big banana companies — Chiquita and Dole — because it was resistant to that blight, a fungus known as Panama disease... [Now] Panama disease — or Fusarium wilt of banana — is back, and the Cavendish does not appear to be safe from this new strain, which appeared two decades ago in Malaysia, spread slowly at first, but is now moving at a geometrically quicker pace. There is no cure, and nearly every banana scientist says that though Panama disease has yet to hit the banana crops of Latin America, which feed our hemisphere, the question is not if this will happen, but when. Even worse, the malady has the potential to spread to dozens of other banana varieties, including African bananas, the primary source of nutrition for millions..."

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  1. Look on the bright side of... by zAPPzAPP · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will this finally be the end of "Peanut Butter Jelly Time"?

  2. monoculture is a problem by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but it is also solved by genetic variation. the story is a little hysterical, as african varieties are also genetically different enough to resist the new cavendish-hungry fungus. not that the african varieties can't be attacked, but the emphasis is on african VARIETIES: more genetic variation means more resistance to the weakness of monoculture

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    1. Re:monoculture is a problem by onion2k · · Score: 5, Informative

      The problem is that all banana plants around today are sterile. The only way to cultivate new plants is by cuttings (taking a small section of an existing plant and growing it into a big plant). Consequently there is no way to introduce new variations. If all the varieties around today become susceptible to disease then that's it, they're gone. For those of us in the west that's just one less choice in the supermarket, but there are vast swathes of the world where the banana is the staple carbohydrate source for millions of people. It'd be like the west no longer having anything to make flour for bread, and having no alternative. Anyone who thinks this isn't a huge problem is wrong.

    2. Re:monoculture is a problem by tehdaemon · · Score: 5, Informative

      They are not all quite sterile... you do get a seed for every few hundred pounds of bananas.

      That said, you are essentially right. All cavendish bananas are clones, this makes them very vulnerable to disease.

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    3. Re:monoculture is a problem by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, New Scientist did a story about this, maybe five years ago, which was worried about the bananas' genetic variation, but didn't have any specific threat attached. They pointed out that although the current banana plants is pretty hardy, they're cultivated by cloning, so there's very little capacity for adaptation there. I forget the details of the story, but it was something like "there may not be any bananas as we know them in 25 years". Now the threat actually exists...

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    4. Re:monoculture is a problem by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That said, you are essentially right. All cavendish bananas are clones, this makes them very vulnerable to disease.

      and they taste like wet paper bags. I haven't eaten a Chiquita in over 10 years, I prefer any other which at least taste like a banana. Chiquitas were only bred for looks.

    5. Re:monoculture is a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, monoculture is a HUGE problem.

      At the moment I'm working in the bio/ag-tech industry and can see the same thing coming down the road in the wheat/corn/soybeans/milo industry, where big industry players have foolishly limited the gene pool in the name of profit.

      The worst part about it is the fact that many of the people driving monoculture are trained scientists who, for some reason, are oblivious to its negative ramifications.

      Posting as AC to avoid other, uh, negative ramifications

    6. Re:monoculture is a problem by BlackCreek · · Score: 5, Interesting
      And here is why I *never* *ever* buy Chiquita (new name for United Fruit Company) products: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

      I find it funny how the wikipedia article on Chiquita just mentions the name change but none of the history it was meant to hide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiquita_Brands_International

      At least now you slashdotters know how the expression banana republic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic came to be. A republic that a criminal banana company would be capable of destroying.

    7. Re:monoculture is a problem by Falkkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not that scientists are oblivious to negative ramifications -- it's economics, specifically tragedy of the commons.

      If everyone else is cloning Tasty Profitable Banana, and you don't, you go out of business because either your bananas aren't Tasty or your bananas aren't Profitable. Therefore there's a penalty for maintaining variation, and the only potential benefit -- not having your whole crop wiped out by a blight -- isn't something you can bet on. Most likely, economic forces will drive you out of business long before your more varied gene pool can have any beneficial effect.

      There's a benefit to society (and the entire banana-growing industry) if there is a diverse gene pool, but no individual business has an incentive to maintain such a gene pool.

  3. Re:Oh noes! by lordofthechia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Slow news day? I think any story about a major threat to our food supply to be a major one, plus it mentions "Banana Scientists"! What is there not to love?

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  4. Seriously people? by Netochka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This story pops up every 6 months or so (I guess not here, but in general)... Has no one else heard about this banana scare story about 10 times before?? There's even a snopes article about it. Banana Extinction

    1. Re:Seriously people? by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your correct. But the US Media is running out of things to scare the people about.

      The article is less to do on bananas going extinct then rather trying to sell GM crops to the public.

    2. Re:Seriously people? by datapharmer · · Score: 5, Informative

      bananas are supposed to be picked green. they get woody (tough with bitter flavor) if left on the tree to ripen. To get them to be sweeter the blossom is cut off after an incomplete row of banana hands is made which concentrates the growth into the existing bananas instead of attempts to make more.

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  5. Will someone... by draxredd · · Score: 5, Funny

    think of the monkeys !

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  6. Finally we may get some variety ... by Big+Jojo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having traveled in some tropical countries, one of the things I most remember about their fruits are the sheer NUMBER of different banana varieties. No monoculture. Your average roadside stand would have half a dozen varieties, and the one a mile down the road would have a few more. Tomorrow the mix would be different. And most of them would taste a lot better than the crap that's so widely available elsewhere!

    I for one will welcome our new polycultural bananalords.

    1. Re:Finally we may get some variety ... by Moridineas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a side note, I do think the tendency for westerners to buy bananas out of habit is a disease. Why is it a disease? I like bananas. Why should I not eat bananas? I understand that you want everyone to live according to your standards and morality, but really, why should I not eat bananas?

      People have written essays and even books on why fruits and vetegables should be bought local, and then, only when in season. The idea of eating summer fruits when there's snow on the ground might be novel, but hardly appropriate, or interesting. This is absolutely bonkers. My wife's family lives in Wisconsin. You want them to survive on local produce over the winter? You want them to hoard dry goods so they can eat 6 months out of the year? Not to mention the exciting selection of nutritional deficits that most of the world suffered from before cheap year round fresh food selections. Really, this type of judgmental viewpoint bothers me so much. I really see your "EAT THIS WAY OR YOU HAVE A DISEASE!" moralism as no different from right wingers who think homosexuality is a disease.

      Conversely, seeing a California supermarket in the middle of summer selling bananas (and their customers lining up to buy them) when just about every type of fruit is ripe for the picking is, well, no less than absurd. Are you just making this up as you go along? Watching people "line up" for bananas in a supermarket? Food scarcity hasn't exactly been a problem in America in a number of years, I would be very interested in where you've seen people "line up" to get bananas, while bypassing all other fruits.

      Me, I typically shop at farmer's markets, Good for you! We should all be more like you, thanks for holding yourself out there as an example of the Right Way to live!
  7. Re:Hmm. by Cairnarvon · · Score: 5, Informative

    One word: http://cairnarvon.rotahall.org/pics/wildbanana.jpg

    There's a reason modern bananas have been bred to be seedless.

  8. One word? by RossumsChild · · Score: 5, Funny

    Technically, that was worth a thousand words.

    1. Re:One word? by tgd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Technically that was worth 18526 words, 37052 bytes, 74104 nybbles, or 296416 bits.

  9. There's one problem by Siener · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately none of those dozens of varieties have the attributes that make the Cavendish banana by far the most successful and important fruit crop in the world:

    1. Long shelf life
    2. Very uniform and predictable ripening times

    That is why you can get bananas cheaply, even though they might be grown thousands of miles from where they are eventually sold.

    Most, if not all the other varieties are only viable crops when they are sold very close to where they were grown.

  10. There are many kinds of bananas by mangu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    more genetic variation means more resistance to the weakness of monoculture

    I live in Brazil where there are many types of bananas available. Any supermarket has at least three different types. Just off my head, I can name at least six types of Brazilian bananas: Ouro ("gold"), Prata ("silver"), d'Agua ("water"), Maçã ("apple"), Nanica ("dwarf"), da Terra ("earth").
    1. Re:There are many kinds of bananas by beadfulthings · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Somebody with points should mod your post up as "interesting." I lived in the Far East when I was a child and remember the same thing--at least three readily available bananas with different characteristics--one yellow, one that was green in color even when ripe, and one that was reddish, kind of small, and intensely sweet.

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    2. Re:There are many kinds of bananas by RealErmine · · Score: 5, Funny

      If I remember correctly, Uganda has about 40 different kinds of banana. Not all of them are for eating... Indeed, some are for dueling.
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    3. Re:There are many kinds of bananas by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 5, Funny

      From what I can tell from watching my wife buy melons and tasting the result, the technique is to hit them with the flat of your hand, listen to the sound they make, and then after doing this to about a dozen, choose one completely at random and hope for the best.

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  11. Re:Oh noes! by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why? because this news is OVER 3 months old. I heard it on NPR "science friday" back in Late April early May! it has been covered heavily in all the earth science and microbiological journals for nearly 3 months now and yes those have covered how it's spreading even faster.

    It's like Slashdot waiting until the end of the month to announce, "Mars polar lander made it to the ground and is sending pictures!"

    So yes, it's a slow news day as it's a rehash of old news that has had wide coverage.

    Next up, The MIR space station is going to be decommissioned, and spacelab will fall from the sky.

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  12. I just couldnt help it... by denton420 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "There is no cure, and nearly every banana scientist says..."

    Anyone else burst out laughing after reading the title of banana scientist? This picture came to mind...

    http://www.zenbutoh.com/charactergallery/images/gorilla-bananas.jpg

  13. Re:300 Species, Probably Not All Susceptible by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    And that is the key to this.

    The Cavendish is actually a very inferior banana. It's simply tougher and cheap to transport compared to the other varieties. the Banana companies are panicking because they will have to change how they do business and they dont want to.

    Honestly, if you can get to try some of the other bananas out there, you'll never EVER touch the bland yucky Cavendish again. The growers brought this on themselves, the same way the last blight took out the favorite that was EVEN easier to ship and transport but had the advantage of tasting way better than the current offering.

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  14. Re:300 Species, Probably Not All Susceptible by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, there's a Banana.com.

  15. Re:Oh noes! by MrAngryForNoReason · · Score: 5, Informative

    But while I disagree about this being a major threat to our food supply (I think we should be fine even without bananas)

    If you RTFS then you will see that while 'we' in developed countries will be ok without bananas they make up a large part of the food supply for some people in Africa. This will likely have a massive effect on people who don't have the luxury to choose what they eat day to day.

  16. Re:Fruit considered dangerous by midnighttoadstool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Meat and saturated fat were linked to heart disease which is now considered non-causative: contributory only. Only highly processed meats are still linked to cancers. Red meat is linked to male infertility but only because of beef hormone usage.

    Salmonella infects 1 in 20,000 eggs, and generally only if the shell is cracked. For years it was supposed to cause heart disease, onyl for the WHO to establish that the more you eat the longer you live.

    Margarine was supposed to be heart healthy and turned out to be the opposite.

    Same with vegetable oils, but which cause cancer in lab animals (triggering an attempt to industrially convert polyunsaturates to monounsaturated oils).

    I reckon there are two general rules: when is doubt do the opposite of what the experts tell you, and the second to establish what is anthropologically natural to us rather than chasing novel elixirs. After all, you can't be moderate or balanced with poisons (like margarine, a sort of plasticised oil).

  17. Recent History: Paying off Terrorists by Arakageeta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Chiquita Brands International still isn't a "harmless" international company. The company was fined by the US Justice Department, to the tune of $25 million, for paying extortion fees to Colombian rebels between 1997 and 2004 (though the company has a history of doing this back to 1989). Granted, perhaps Chiquita was screwed if it did or screwed if it didn't-- I am not familiar with the details.