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How To Spot E-Vote Tampering?

Precinct Election Judge writes "I am one of the Republican Party Precinct Chairs in Harris County, Texas. Since in 2006 Republican Rick Perry won the Governor's race in my precinct I will be the head election judge at my polling station this November. (My Democratic counterpart will be assistant election judge.) I have read with interest the stories about voting machine hacking, and I want advice from those of you who are experts on what to watch for to make sure there is no fraudulent activity at my precinct during the election. What activities should I look for? Keep in mind my restrictions: I will be at a table in the front of the room with the voter rolls signing people in, I can only approach the voting machines if a voter asks a question or if I have strong reason to believe there is fraudulent activity, the last thing I need is for someone to say the Republicans are trying to keep people from voting! And finally, although each station and voter will be visible from my seat each machine has 'blinders' around it so I will most likely not be able to see the hands of each voter while they are at the station. Thank you in advance for all suggestions."

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  1. Let me be sure I understand.... by llamalad · · Score: 5, Funny

    So what you're really asking is what sort of evidence of tampering you should be sure to avoid leaving behind?

    1. Re:Let me be sure I understand.... by MiniMike · · Score: 5, Funny

      And there are activist groups that get busted doing it every year, stuffing registration roles, trotting out thousands of dead voters, etc.

      Ok, I've seen some inattentive election judges, but how do they get away with that?

      Election Judge- Next- you in the wheelbarrow- name?

      Dead Voter- . . . .

      EJ- Name please?

      DV- . . . . . (limb falls off)

      EJ- Sir, your name please!

      Party Lackey crouching behind wheelbarrow- um, (looks at paper) John Smith, no Joe Smith this time...

      EJ- Voting booth #4 Mr. Smith. Please leave your pickaxe and shovel by the door.

    2. Re:Let me be sure I understand.... by initdeep · · Score: 3, Interesting

      its not very hard at all.

      especially if you aren't allowed to ask for any type of verification.

      every time i vote, i laugh at the ability to just tell them my name and then get a ballot and vote.

      nothing ever done to verify i am who i say i am.
      ever.

      so i can go vote as my now deceased grandfather very easily, all i have to do is go to his polling place and tell them i'm him.

      it's actually so shamefully easy, i'd be surprised if even half the votes cast are real.

    3. Re:Let me be sure I understand.... by TrinSF · · Score: 2, Informative

      When you sign your name, if you look at the fine print on the page, you are signing to verify under penalty of law that you are who you say you are. And when you print your address, if you look at the fine print, by printing it you are certifying that's where you live. Because you had to sign a voter registration card at some point in the past in order to be in that roster, your signature is on file somewhere, and should anyone have a question about the votes in your precinct, the signatures in the roster book could be compared to the voter signatures on file.

      Just in case you ever wondered. As I've explained elsewhere, ID's are not required because historically, that's been used as a primary way to disenfranchise voters.

  2. Do you have a paper trail? by bit+trollent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does your E-Vote equipment produce a voter verifieable paper trail?

    If it doesn't have a paper trail, ask yourself why.

    1. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, without a paper trail, the question you should be asking is - how can you spot E-Vote integrity? The answer is: You can't.

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    2. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by radarjd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does your E-Vote equipment produce a voter verifieable paper trail?

      What does a paper trail do on its own? Couldn't the software falsify the paper trail? Who does the verifying and who verifies the verifyers? Let's say the software is open source and auditable (and competent, trustworthy people do the auditing), how do you ensure that untampered software is on the machine?

      If it doesn't have a paper trail, ask yourself why.

      I could come with several reasons, ranging from innocuous to stupid to malicious to criminal. It could be that a paper trail which simply prints out the votes in hard copy adds nothing to the security of the system. It could be that the company constructing the machine never thought of it. It could be that whatever people control the machines (naturally, the Illuminati) want to (and are able to) fix the election, but aren't competent enough to print the fixed results from the machine.

      My guess is something along the lines that secure elections are really difficult to do. We're not there yet, but we never have been. Electronic machines bring in new difficulties than what we've dealt with in the past, but it's not like election fraud is a new thing, or any less despicable now.

      In response to the original article, I would say the best that you can do is watch your assistant, make sure he or she watches you. Other than that, I'm not sure what you can do given the equipment that's prevalent.

      I think there will always be some level of trust involved in voting. I think most advocates are presently arguing that the trust we currently place in the machines is too high, and that the machines should be put in place with the idea that they are untrustworthy.

    3. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does a paper trail do on its own? Couldn't the software falsify the paper trail?

      The voter should have an opportunity to verify the paper trail. He is the only one who can confirm the paper trail recorded his vote correctly. A shutter system could easily reveal only the voters's record to him. A comparison of the sign in rolls reveals that no "extra" votes were added.

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    4. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ideally the machine should spit out a paper confirming your choices, and you should drop that in a box on the way out the door, after you verify it. Generating a piece of paper that the voter never sees is pointless.

      Now, you're probably thinking, "That sounds like a paper ballot system? Why would we pay all this money for these fancy machines when we have to basically fall back on a paper ballot system to make sure they're reliable?"

      And that is the real question.

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    5. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by Gyga · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I like my backwards town for this reason. "Here's a magic marker, here's a piece of paper. Here's a sticker. There are the booths. Ask if you need help."

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    6. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by wfeick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd like to see a system where the computer accepts your input, verifies the integrity of your ballot (e.g. you haven't selected more than one person in the same race, etc.) and prints out the ballot you'll be casting for you to see. Having approved it, but without being allowed to touch it, the ballot is dropped into the box and also added to a matching electronic tally.

      When the polls close, the two totals should match. Just to be sure, we select a small percentage of the devices at random and verify the two totals do indeed match by manually counting the paper ballots. Devices that have statistically different results from their adjacent devices would also be automatically hand verified. Finally, we give each party a set number of devices that they can choose to have included in the manual recount.

      Given this statistical sampling, we'd have timely and verifiable results while only needing to count on the order of 1% of the actual ballots.

    7. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TrinSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And that's exactly what we have in my county, San Mateo County in California. The voter votes on the electronic system. The system then prints out a paper listing of his ballot, which displays for that voter. The voter must then physically approve that paper display as matching his/her vote choices. Only after the voter has verified the paper matches his/her intent, then the voter finally casts his/her ballot.

      The paper ballots are on a roll that is held in a secure paper trail unit, which is sealed with a uniquely coded seal that cannot be disturbed from the time the unit is certified prior to election day until the unit is returned for verification and tallying. If the seal is broken or disturbed, that unit is immediately reported for auditing, etc.

      When I am assisting voters, I make sure to highlight that the paper vote that displays is the "paper trail" they have heard about, and that to ensure their vote's integrity, they should be careful to seriously check the vote and verify it matches.

    8. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's a big (and very noble) goal. Where do you start with a project like that? I realize you're not building the thing from scratch (most likely), but I'm imagining a sort of "worst case scenario" voter, who's got several disabilities, who wants to vote, and you have to design the machine/process around this person. Would you mind discussing some of what goes into enfranchising every voter?
      For example, how would you enable a blind and deaf person to vote, using electronic voting? How does the machine verify the vote with such a voter?

    9. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Horse. Shit.

      Where I live the requirement for electronic voting machines means that poorer areas, who can't afford enough of them have lines that routinely take hours to get through, which damn well disenfranchises people every damn election...Lot of poor people have jobs that are real understanding of a 4-hour "vote break".

      Don't even try to sell it on that grounds, because there are people all over this country whose franchise would be a lot easier to exercise if they could just use a pencil and a piece of paper.

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    10. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TrinSF · · Score: 3, Informative

      The voting machines we use are the Hart E-Slate machines, which are coincidentally the only machines that have been re-certified in California so far. Alas, I'm not a designer of election equipment -- I'm a precinct inspector, which means I'm in charge of a single voting precinct. I would suggest inquiring to Hart directly about the planning involved in voting systems. What I can tell you is that we have multi-inputs, including sip-and-puff, and multiple outputs. My impression is that we can, with attachments, provide braille-based output and verification for voters, but I haven't had to do so thus far. (And such attachments are expensive enough that they are not provided to every precinct and every voting unit.) However, I have had sip-and-puff and blind voters, who all had previously been unable to vote without assistance.

    11. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TrinSF · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sorry that's true where you live. I know that when I was growing up, that was certainly a problem, and I know it continues to be. In my county, ALL precincts use the same equipment. There is no variance in equipment depending on area or affluence.

      One of the things that happens to me when I work elections is that my voters will say they don't understand why we do this or that thing, because so many of them have never experienced voting disenfranchisement. I always cheerfully explain that while I'm glad they have no experience with it, that the laws and procedures exist because in many places, people don't have the luxury that my voters have. I grew up in the south, and I marched in voting rallies in support of voting rights. I understand what you're speaking of, but I don't think it follows that because *your* county or state isn't using our procedures, our reasons for using the procedures aren't valid.

    12. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TheMCP · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll go one further. If it doesn't produce paper ballots which are readable by the voter to ensure they reflect the voter's intent, and which are counted rather than a direct electronic tally, the system can be hacked. Period.

      As a computer scientist and programmer I have 0% confidence in any system which doesn't produce a paper audit trail, but even if it does, if the voter can't personally validate that the audit trail for their vote reflects their intent, the system could still just be producing a phony audit trail.

    13. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wait, your not seeing clearly. You see, gerrymandering districts is getting harder and harder each time they try to do it. What you are describing fixes that little problem... (sadly, i'm not so sure this is sarcasm..)

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    14. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by snilloc · · Score: 2, Interesting
      My county uses a fill in the dot Scantron/SAT-style ballot. The voter inserts his completed ballot into the machine. If the machine detects an over-vote the voter has the option to either get his ballot back (and have it destroyed by election officials)and get another ballot or accept the flawed ballot knowing that the over-voted race will not be counted.

      Automatic paper trail. Over-vote detection.

      (One touch-screen machine per precinct is available for handicapped individuals. Not having voted on it myself, I don't know the particulars.)

    15. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TrinSF · · Score: 4, Informative

      If the voter cancels their ballot at that point, the vote is cancelled, they're assigned a new machine, and that ballot is marked invalid. It's actually a really big deal, which is why voters approve their ballot three times. Once before it prints to the paper copy, again to approve the paper copy, and a final time to count the vote.

      BTW, changing one in 20 votes would not be enough to swing elections for us -- I have between 50 and 200 voters in elections -- and more than double that cast absentee ballots -- and the margins in their votes tends to be very large, more than 20-30 percent. They're pretty homogenous in their voting habits. But hey, it's the Bay Area, it's like that.

    16. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all, the law does say you're entitled to a person sworn to secrecy filling out your vote for you. I don't know why you just imagined it doesn't. Anyone who shows up at the voting booth is legally entitled to whatever help is needed to get them to vote, by people who are legally prohibited from disclosing their ballot.

      Secondly, I'd actually like an explanation of how a visual touch screen helps blind or disabled people to vote? Oh, right, it doesn't.

      The thing to help blind people vote is an entirely different system where they listen to a recording and touch the screen at specific times, which could be done much cheaper if we weren't also trying to do sighted voting with it also.

      Thirdly, there are always going to be people so disabled they cannot operate a specific system in order to vote.

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    17. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, no, it's not 'poor areas'.

      It's poor urban areas. I have lived in middle-class urban areas, lower-class urban areas, and lower-class rural areas.

      In the first, the lines are maybe 30 minutes, because they have plenty of machines and whatnot.

      In the middle, thanks to laws that say you have to have a voting precinct within walking distance (theoretically, it's about five miles I think), each precinct has only two machines, but it's only serving a few hundred people total, so there's no one in line at all.

      It's the latter that has five machines and possibly a hundred people in line. I waited a damn four hours to vote in 2000 in Marietta, a poor, mostly minority suburb of Atlanta. During that time, at least 20 people ahead of me dropped out of line, and I imagine more left the second they saw how long it was. (I, luckily, was a college student, and could waste all day in line with a book.)

      And I went through during the midday. I can just imagine how it went after five o'clock.

      And no one's going to convince me that it's a coincidence that 'poor urban voter' normally means 'Democratic voter'.

      Don't even try to sell it on that grounds, because there are people all over this country whose franchise would be a lot easier to exercise if they could just use a pencil and a piece of paper.

      Exactly, you pro-'electronic voting' morons. If you want to install electronic voting machines for blind people, feel free, but you can fuck off and die for taking away pencil and paper so people in poor urban areas can actually vote.

      Electronic voting, as stated, is a solution to the very minor problem of disenfranchised blind people. One that could be solved other ways, or just by giving them a single machine. Note, this machine could be a great deal simpler than existing electronic voting machines, because blind people do not need a screen or a touch pad. They can't even use those! They need a headset and a several switches. Or, hell, a joystick-like device to scroll through the names said through the headphone and pick the right one.(1)

      But installing machines for everyone causes at least two serious problems...the one in this post, because machines are always limited, and the other, equally serious one of uncatchable vote tampering, which any computer scientist can see, as computers can easily lie. (Yes, in theory, this problem applies if anyone is using the machines, but in practice the number of blind voters is so small that any tampering would be easily noticed.)

      1) You know what might be really interesting? Using telephones. Not the actual phone system, but using one (with a headset so they don't have to keep holding it) as the interface device. They're cheap, and blind people, like every American except possibly deaf ones (Who luckily can use paper ballots), already know how to operate them. Have a little voice mail-type system.

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    18. Re:Do you have a paper trail? by TrinSF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Let me be clear. I am not a "pro-electronic voting moron". I'm pro-voter. I'm pro-voting rights. I'm for whatever it takes to have as many people as possible be able to fully and freely exercise their voting rights. In my county, right now, I feel confident that the head of my elections process is someone who supports those goals. I put my energy into making every voter feel empowered and making every vote count. Right now, that means helping voters understand how the electronic system we have works for them, and cheerfully giving voters paper ballots if that's what they want to be comfortable voting.

      At no point in this thread have I ever said, "This is what people should do" or "This is why electronic voting is good". My opinions about electronic voting are irrelevant, actually. I ask my pollworkers to leave their opinions at the door. My job -- one I take very seriously -- is to ensure that the ballots and equipment I am responsible for are secure from the moment I sign for them until the moment I sign them into someone else's care, and to make sure every voter who shows up at my precinct gets to vote. I do whatever it takes for that to happen, because that's the bottom line. If my devotion to voting rights makes me a moron, I guess I'll accept the label.

  3. That's the hard part by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's the hard part about e-voting. It's hard to tell when something fraudulent is happening. With pen and paper, human counted voting, it's easy to watch to ballot box to ensure it's empty when you start, that no extra votes are deposited, and that all votes are counted properly. With computers, it's hard for people to actually watch and see what's going on. You could probably swap out the entire insides of a voting machine, make it work completely differently, yet look exactly the same, without anybody noticing.

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    1. Re:That's the hard part by hoppo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, that's not true. It would have been pathetically easy to deposit extra votes in the ballot box without anyone noticing.

      It is fallacious to think we can have a foolproof voting system. And those who complain the loudest will never be satisfied. Use paper voting, and there is outcry of fraud, ballot box stuffing, etc. Move to computer voting, and there is still outcry of fraud, ballot box stuffing, etc. If a paper trail is added, suddenly they're tracking who votes for whom. There's no winning. In fact, it doesn't even get any better -- make a Venn diagram of the complainants in each of those three scenarios, and I guarantee you it pretty much looks like one thick circle.

      We just have to trust that most poll workers are civically responsible, and are doing their best to mitigate fraud. Anyone who doesn't think that is the case in his precinct is more than welcome to step away from his busy day of posting on Slashdot and volunteer to work the polls. That's a little more work than writing snarky message board comments, however.

    2. Re:That's the hard part by dascritch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here in France, the ballot box is transparent (plexiglas) and most of the time, vote are put in a envelope.

      But it is also true that we are planning elections so that never more than two simultaneous consultations are done the same day (and never during Presidential Indecisions days).

      I was assesseur (co-judge) in numerous elections, and we rarely have to count more than one hour for 2000 exprimed votes. I think symbolic transparency of the ballot box help to have more than 50% of participation for major elections (less are European votes, with 40%)

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    3. Re:That's the hard part by doconnor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been an scrutineer in several Canadian elections where we use paper ballots with no computers.

      Dropping extra votes in the box could be done in a Canadian election, but it would be detected at the end of the day when the number of votes are compared to the number of voters and the number of ballots handed out. If there was a problem on a wide scale, it would be known, and presumably the election rerun.

      Many of the procedures in a Canadian election are about detecting fraud which is somewhat easier and less disruptive then preventing fraud.

  4. How To Spot E-Vote Tampering? by yo303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the machine says Diebold on it, there's a good chance it has been tampered with.

    1. Re:How To Spot E-Vote Tampering? by Dracos · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember: Diebold changed their name to Premier Election Systems last year.

    2. Re:How To Spot E-Vote Tampering? by shemnon · · Score: 3, Funny

      See... they've been tampering with it!

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    3. Re:How To Spot E-Vote Tampering? by jknyght9 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Regardless of the name their voting systems are not as bad as you think. I red teamed a set of e-voting machines and Diebold/Premier were one of the lesser of the four evils.

  5. Not sure about Texas... by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

    But here in Illinois where we're so patriotic that even being dead won't keep you from voting, there is only one question that needs to be asked:

    "Did anyone vote?"

    If yes, there was fraud.

    "Vote early, vote often". Note that our last Republican Governor is in Federal prison, and our last Democratic Governor spent time in prison after he lost to the Republicans.

    Seriously though, the only way to keep an electronic voting machine honest is to use one that spits out a human-readable paper ballot that you, as an election judge, can make sure gets in the ballot box so if there's any doubt, humans can perform a recount.

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    1. Re:Not sure about Texas... by ptbarnett · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note that our last Republican Governor is in Federal prison, and our last Democratic Governor spent time in prison after he lost to the Republicans.

      And now your current governor has been implicated in the recent trial of Tony Rezko.

      Is there something in the water of Lake Michigan that makes Illinois politicians ethically-challenged?

      Not that Texas has any right to gloat, being (in)famous for "Landslide Lyndon"

    2. Re:Not sure about Texas... by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is there something in the water of Lake Michigan that makes Illinois politicians ethically-challenged?

      You mean "Is there something in the water of Lake Michigan that makes Illinois politicians bad at getting away with things?"

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  6. Just like the movies! by pwnies · · Score: 5, Funny

    Look for the flashing lights and sudden appearances of 3d interfaces - because everyone knows that hacking is just like it appears in the movies

    1. Re:Just like the movies! by QUILz · · Score: 5, Funny

      And people bringing in 5 PDAs and some laptops with wires hanging out of them, shouting: "Just give me ONE more minute!"

  7. First step is easy: by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. What kind of equipment will you be using?
    There are a number of models which have been shown to be tamperable with no evidence of tampering available at the time of voting. Step 1 is to make sure you aren't using any of these machines.

  8. Malfunction bigger threat than Hacking. Seal it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you should be more concerned with malfunctioning e-voting systems, in particular situations where the voter believes his/her vote has been recorded as intended, but the final tallies do not reflect the voter's intent.

    A good way to achieve this is to have a verifiable record of the votes cast.

    As far as hacking, you should probably seal the machines with strong tape, including any keyholes, ports, access panels. This would make it easier for you to detect someone tampering with a machine, due to the increased effort required to do so. It also would make it more difficult to tamper with the machine without leaving a trace.

  9. Not you by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The system is set-up to PREVENT voters from fraud. Even on the electronics, it is set-up. Any issue will almost certainly be out of your control. The real problem with the electronics is that the COMPANY who built and service it can commit fraud. And it is next to impossible to detect. All a politician has to do is pay off somebody up high and then the company will do things like last minute software updates in warehouses, that were post inspection. Sadly, it is easy to do.

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    1. Re:Not you by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In addition - In most cases the suspicion is not that someone randomly walked in and tampered with the election, but that an election official (such as the person who submitted this to Ask Slashdot) tampered with the election.

      Sad to say it to the submitter, but for many people "Republican" and "E-Voting" instantly casts suspicions of tampering for a wide variety of reasons, including but not limited to significant monetary connections between Diebold (now PES) and the Republican party and a claim from someone from Diebold that they would "deliver the election" or something like that.

      So, sadly, the question as a Republican election coordinator is not
      "How do I prevent tampering", but it is
      "How can I prove that the election was not tampered with" and "How can I prove that *I* did not tamper with the election"

      How? I'm not sure, but based on other requirements a voter-verifiable paper trail is the first step, and not using Diebold/PES is the second (although there is lots of evidence that most other E-Voting vendors are not giving any thought to security whatsoever.)

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  10. First indicator by TRRosen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bush wins.

    1. Re:First indicator by Redneck+Flyboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I should point out the parties in power have such low approval ratings. Last I checked the Democrat controlled congress has a much lower approval rating (~18%) than president Bush does (~29%). http://www.gallup.com/poll/107242/Congress-Approval-Rating-Ties-Lowest-Gallup-Records.aspx

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  11. Re:Easy by powerlord · · Score: 2, Funny
    Should have previewed ... Darn formatting (and the lack of an Edit feature!)

    Your election might have been tampered with if ...
    • ... 90% of the votes are cast for someone not supposed to be on the ballot.
    • ... a voter walks into the voting booth carrying a whole bunch of tools and saying "this may a take a few minutes."
    • ... a voter wheels one of your voting machines out claiming it needs to be "serviced" for a few minutes.
    • ... at the end of the day you find the computed vote tallies don't match the number of voters you've recorded at your polling station ... or the machine's own total of cast votes.
    • ... at the end of the day the "secure" lock for the voting machine is being held together with some duct-tape and a wad of chewing gum.

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  12. Ultimate vote tampering detection howto: by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Verify that you're using electronic voting machines.
    2. You cannot verify the voting machine itself.
    3. Elections are fraudulent without transparency.

    I maintain that the whole concept of electronic voting machines is so idiotic that anyone who doesn't realise what using one means, is in effect giving up his/her right to vote.

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  13. You won't see most of the fraud by Dracos · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most egregious fraud on electronic voting machines is completely out of your control, and most likely happens out of sight of any precinct level election official: in the software that is installed on the machines. Unless you have the authority and knowledge to inspect many thousands of lines of code on each machine, you are powerless in this regard.

    However, most machines have some type of USB, SD card, or other hardware interface that might be protected with some type of tamper proofing, like the foil seals on aspirin bottles. This is probably beyond your authority to put in place, though.

    The only thing you can do is pay attention to the tabulations, if you get to see them.

    I recommend you watch Hacking Democracy for insight on what to watch for.

  14. I'm taking this as a legitimate question by beadfulthings · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (In other words, I'm a Democrat striving for civility.) I would suggest to you that most types of fraudulent activity will take place where you can't see them--that is, not in your presence. These machines have a lot of vulnerabilities, and it's not necessary to stand there and tamper with them while you are pretending to vote. My first thought on being confronted with one of Maryland's soon-to-be-vanished Diebold systems was that I could have brought in a pocket full of cards containing whatever I wanted them to contain. Assuming that your jurisdiction is still making gestures towards the secrecy of the ballot (via the privacy screens), you and your counterpart wouldn't even see that. I suppose that the poll watcher/election judge/whoever who is assigned to escort voters to the machines and get them started could watch for clumsy fraudsters dropping extra cards out of their pockets. Aside from that, if the fraud happens, you won't see it.

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  15. Black Box Voting Org by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Informative

    In all fairness to the /. crowd, I'd say that the best place to ask this question would be the forums of http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ From what I have read of their analysis of previous elections I would guess that they have seen it all before.

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    1. Re:Black Box Voting Org by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Informative

      replying to my own post. I found some analysis that I had seen before about Sequoia e-voting machines used in the 2004 presidential race in Palm Beach County (FL). When I first saw this data I was astounded at what their analysis showed. Assuming that BBV is a fair and honest non-profit (after all you should be suspicious of everyones motives when dealing with things like this) what they found is horrifying. http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/19421.html?1141918235

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    2. Re:Black Box Voting Org by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fuck fairness to the Slashdot crowd - all the answers so far have been along the lines of
      - Diebold is evil
      - Bush is evil
      - You can't do anything, so don't try
      - the election is already rigged

      I'm waiting for "You are a republican, so I'm not telling you. Nyaahhh nyaahhhh"

      Only one has had a real suggestion - seals on physical access - and even that was surrounded by "but your fucked no matter what you do."

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  16. Just ask the votes by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a standard, well developed way to determine if a ballot has been rigged. Tampering with e-voting machines is just the most modern technique, in the past people have stuffed ballot boxes or simply lied about the results. Easy stuff.

    So, standard solution: ask the people as they leave the polling station.

    This is called an "exit poll" and it's remarkably accurate. Except of course in the last couple of elections in the USA, where the exit polls utterly failed, especially in districts that had new shiny e-voting machines with no paper trail.

    1. Re:Just ask the votes by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except of course in the last couple of elections in the USA, where the exit polls utterly failed, especially in districts that had new shiny e-voting machines with no paper trail.
      Yeah, weird thing. Exit poll doesn't match election results in Ukraine: the verdict is election fraud.

      Exit poll doesn't match election results in the USA: oh, the exit poll must be wrong!
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    2. Re:Just ask the votes by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is called an "exit poll" and it's remarkably accurate. Really? People do lie, you know. I lie - out of principle - whenever I'm polled.

      According to my local papers, I'm illiterate. :)

      Except of course in the last couple of elections in the USA, where the exit polls utterly failed, Race is going to be a big factor for 08. White folks, not liking to be perceived as "racist", will lie their lily white asses off if they're asked who they voted for.

      Well, those that care. As for trolls like me, I have nothing to lose. Society has already shunned me. I'm voting for McCain or Barr.
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    3. Re:Just ask the votes by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, standard solution: ask the people as they leave the polling station.

      This is called an "exit poll" and it's remarkably accurate. Except of course in the last couple of elections in the USA, where the exit polls utterly failed, especially in districts that had new shiny e-voting machines with no paper trail.


      You can't make exit polls part of the official process, as then it would no longer be a secret ballot. Unless you do an exit poll with complete anonymity, in which case you're just making people vote twice.

      Also, as a resident of the west coast, I hate exit polls with a passion. Getting the early poll results from the east coast before our voting locations even open has to influence voters in an extremely negative way. I'd prefer the press be banned from reporting any polls or results until after polls close on the west coast, personally. Damned free press. ;)

    4. Re:Just ask the votes by liegeofmelkor · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, let me say that I'm not trying to say that e-voting machines are secure. They have a number of unique vulnerabilities which could be corrected with proper planning and procedures.

      However, suggesting the reliability of exit polls as an indicator of tampering is not a solution. There are social considerations involved in conducting the poll. The buzzword floating around this season is the Bradley effect and described the observed tendency of exit polls to systematically overreport the performance of minority candidates. A cause is presumed to be the voter's fear of being branded racist by the poll-taker. Additionally, a number other factors in poll methodology can bias results, such as the time of day at which exit poll-taking ceases (with respect to poll closing time) (see Exit polls).

      Granted, if major tampering at a location has occurred, then exit poll will likely not match the polling location results. However, you can't use the converse of this statement to assert a rigged election (see any discussion of a logical contrapositive vs logical converse). The exit poll can only serve as an indicator that further investigation of tampering might be prudent. But, without an intelligently designed paper trail and paper trail chain of custody, those investigations won't find anything...

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  17. chain of custody by garyrich · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it is tampered with, it is probably going to before you ever see it. Your watch is not a good target. Too many people and a single hacked machine or two will stand out like a sore thumb to statistical analysis. Much better to get at a bunch of them while they are waiting to be distributed to the polling stations.

    Are you even an interesting target? Would a 2% shading of your numbers change cascading electoral numbers? The perfect crime would be to hack hundreds of machines in a critical state's critical swing districts and then shade the numbers by the tiniest amount needed to do the job. See Ohio in 2004. That kind of electoral sharpshooting is beyond my expertise, but it's part of what makes Rove the power that he is.

    Where did your machine come from? Who guarded it and how? Where did they get it from? Can it be opened with a hotel mini-bar key?

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  18. Pay Attention to Low Tech Fraud by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your post's enumeration of duties seems the best place to focus your efforts. Checking IDs and sign in sheets, preventing voter intimidation, and generally keeping a lid on procedure seems more important than being distracted by the possibility of a subtle electronic scam. Electronic fraud would most likely have been done to the machines before you get to see them and would be undetectable if done right. If done wrong, it will probably just look like a broken machine.

  19. honesty is tricky by Jaazaniah · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unlike our first commentor, this is a more serious approach to the problem. Depending on the model of machine you're using, there's really no way to spot it as it's happening given your restriction set. Your problem is not with "box" stuffer vulnerability, but record vulnerability - Slashdot's collective outcry has been because there was no security or checks and balances put into Diebold's (and their later off-shoots) machines, causing potential for huge abuse at any point before voting, and any point after voting until announcements are made. We think contracts were pushed to facilitate this weakness in the system, but are powerless to change it individually. As a disclaimer, the following measures, even if followed to the letter, will not guarantee vote security if using machines with the above mentioned vulnerabilities, and will not permit any politician to pretend otherwise. That said, here are problems on the systems themselves that should not be allowed by default to address your time of interest (voting); open ports - of the system has a floppy drive, a cd rom drive, or any sort of pluggable port besides the power cord, that is accessable with moderate difficulty, that's a breach waiting to happen. Ask your technitions this specific question - "are there any IR or radio devices in these terminals?" A program built to listen for wireless devices is just as serious as a USB port being open. Ask them about the system inputs. If there are keyboards, "have you disabled all possible shortcut key combinations to prevent system access?" There is more that could possibly go wrong, but I'm sure Slashdot will have plenty to say. P.S. Hope you weren't expecting an overall warm welcome - your party's reputation here was shredded and torched over the past 8 years.

  20. before, during, after by beegle · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think it's important to realize that voting machines are so insecure that preventing fraud entirely is impossible. That said,

    1) Ensure that the machines are physically safe before the election. Don't leave them in an insecure area between the time that you check them to ensure that the counts are at zero (and DO check that) and the time that voting begins. Allow nobody near the machines without both ID and a witness at all times, including yourself (you don't want to be accused of anything), ESPECIALLY if they claim to work for the company that makes the machines. In fact, if anyone you don't know shows up to work on the machines, get approval from as far up the chain of command as can be managed and WRITE DOWN the name, time, etc. if it happens. Consider some sort of tamper-evident seal for the area where the machines are stored (your local trucking company can provide you with a handful of the ones that they use on freight trailers).

    2) Watch for voters who are holding either memory cards or keys. The best-publicized ways of messing with a machine involve unlocking the machine and/or inserting a card with altered data. Keep in mind that the memory cards can be a lot smaller than those giant plastic cases around some of the official cards. Also keep in mind that if you see this, it might just be somebody with a spare memory card for their camera and a set of car keys.

    3) After the polls close, physical access becomes a big deal again. Don't allow anyone near the machines or cards without ID and a witness, including yourself. Ensure that the machines are locked away, and find out who has a copy of the key to the room/closet/truck/whatever.

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  21. Bird's eye view? by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 2, Funny
    You said you had to be "behind" a table, but is there a restriction to how high you can sit?

    A hoverchair would provide a great view of the room.

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  22. I'm glad that you care by jlazzaro74 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a resident of Galveston right next door to you, and I'm really glad to hear that people in my area are thinking about this. Unfortunately, there probably aren't many things you can do during actual voting without appearing to be violating the voters privacy or interfering in the process, this is why the ability to conduct an audit in the event of fishy results is so critical.

    The best I can suggest is to make your concerns heard among your peers and superiors, make sure that as many people as possible know that this is an issue we should *all* be concerned with. The more reasonable people who speak up the less we look like a fringe group of paranoid geeks. Other than that, find out as much as you can about the machines you are using. Do they have a paper audit trail? If not, who approved their purchase and why? Look them up by make and model, have they been broken before?

    To slashdot users, enough with the trite smart-ass responses. Here is someone who is ostensibly trying to keep things fair, lets give him the benefit of the doubt (besides, our counties are so red he doesn't need to tamper to win) and try to come up with solutions. We have been complaining about voter machine vulnerabilities for years, now someone is finally listening. Do we jump down his throat, or do we welcome him to the table?

    Spoken as a registered Democrat who desperately wants his vote to be counted.

  23. Vote Verification by Internet by srobert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is admittedly a little off-topic as it doesn't answer the original poster's questions, but I'd like to see a national system where, when I vote I'm issued a random number. When I get home I can look up my number on the net and it will show how I voted. That way I at least know how my own vote was counted.

  24. Re:Malfunction bigger threat than Hacking. Seal it by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even worse is having too many machines being broken, or not enough machines to begin with, so voters have to wait hours in line, and many just end up leaving after deciding it's not worth it.

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  25. Re:Start with the obvious by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2, Informative

    On election day (since the machine could have an internal clock and work just fine any other day), leave one voting machine alone, and at the end of the day, cast your ballot on it (this may be necessary to "activate" it).

    Then check the machine and see if your vote was counted correctly. Expensive, but an extremely good idea; I'd add that you should have a number of people cast ballots who will cast known ballots.

    If you make sure all administrative openings are taped over with tamper-resistant tape, keep one (random) stataion aside during the voting and then have a "control" group vote using it, that's about all you can do from your end, apart from preventing e-stations from being used in the first place.
  26. Not much by Spazmania · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a precinct chair, there is very little you can do, besides asking folks to report any suspicious behavior on the machine's part (displaying a selection other than what they selected, for example).

    The real fraud, if it happens at all, happens quietly behind the scenes. The machine behaves exactly as it is supposed to but adds a number to the wrong tally. You can't check it later because there is no permanent record of what the voter saw on the screen before pressing "vote." The sole record is of that machine's final tally at the end of the day.

    As others have said, the solution is: paper. Whatever they select on the screen, you ask the voter to print it out and read the paper. Then you stuff the paper in a locked box. You count the machine's tally (it's more cost-effective) but you now have a permanent record verified by the individual voters which you can audit in order to verify that the machine did as it claimed. Someone hacks the machine? No problem: just count the papers.

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  27. Bubblewrap ... by taniwha · · Score: 2, Funny

    carefully place bubblewrap under each machine - listen for the popping if anyone starts manhandling them

  28. Good sources of Info. by Irvu · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm assuming that you have the Hart InterCivic system as stated by The Verifier. In that event, as other authiors have noted you may have no hope of detecting truly electrionic tampering. However you may spot some things. The links below also apply to Diebold and ES&S systems as well.

    I would be sure, to tell all voters to read the confirmation screen carefully. Many other locations have reported instances of vote switching where voters, once they reach the closing screen, see a different outcome than they pushed. Evidence from a Rice University study indicates that less than 30% of people even read this screen but those that do have reported nontrivial numbers of flipped votes.

    Secondly I would educate yourself about the machines. Ohio's Everest study, particularly chapter 14 contains many scary things about the machines. Some you can look for, many you cannot.

    You will also find information from the California study notably the red-team reviews of the hart system.

    Voters Unite is also a source of some good info As does Pollworkers.us which is a useful site for those working the polls.

  29. no trail, no dice by davek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way I personally will trust an electronic voting machine is if it prints out my vote on pain paper and asks for my approval before the vote is dropped in the box. This is obviously not how any of these machines are designed, so unfortunately we can trust none of them.

    In the absence of the ideal, the only thing that somewhat ensures a proper vote tally is a paper trail. Every vote is printed directly on some physical medium when it is cast.

    But even this is sadly not the case in many districts. Without the paper trail, you have NO guarantee that the election means anything at all. You can demand open source for the software on the machine; you can demand to see statistics before, during, and after the election; you can demand a box for yourself to see if you personally can figure out how to hack it; but all those acts are moot, if you don't have the paper trail to begin with.

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  30. Consult an expert by kilpatjr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Voting security research is happening in Houston at Rice. Get in contact with Dan Wallach in the Computer Science department.

  31. Re:Someone please... by WinPimp2K · · Score: 5, Informative

    troll, funny, does not matter.

    I live in Harris Co. and the machines are pretty horrendous. They look pretty, but there is no form of verification whatsoever. As for the asshats who say that we have secure electronic systems for securities trading, credit card systems and bank ATMs... well just remember that not one of those systems is anonymous.

    As to detecting "fradulent activity" as an election judge, well if you hear somone operating a power screwdriver or see small parts being dropped on the floor, well that is about as good as you can get on detecting tampering with those damnable machines. In other words, you are not going to detect any fraud that involves hacking the machines. You are limited to what you can do to prevent "old fashioned" fraud - ie the vote early and often crowd. Since there are no ballot boxes you don't have to worry about them being tampered with :)

    Now if you could demand photo ID (and anyone presenting those cards from the Mexican consulate should be immediately deported) and compare that against your local voter rolls that would be nice. It would also be nice if you had some way to update your voter rolls by checking against death certificates issued in the last year.

    Using a machine as an interface would be fine, just let it print a darn ballot that the voter can verify.

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  32. Sorry Precinct Election Judge by SengirV · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But you will NEVER be able to convince the bleeding hearts that there was not cheating, as long as a Republican wins. It's in their nature. It's OK for Daley to cheat in elections in Chicago, it's OK to vandalize buses set to get GOP voters out to the polls, etc...

    Remember, it's not fascism when they do it.

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  33. Educate yourself about the entire process by TrinSF · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work as a elections inspector in California, which means that I'm in charge of a single precinct -- I'm basically the head pollworker, responsible for the accountability of the ballots and equipment from the time it's delivered to me until the time I turn it in immediately after the election. Because of that, it's important that I am fully aware of what's going on with our equipment and alert to the possibility of tampering. My best defense has been knowledge -- which is a double-edged sword. I know how our system works. I understand the reasoning for each step of our process. I've taken every possible class offered by our county and achieved the highest possible level of certified proficiency with the equipment. So, instead of wondering what could go wrong, I understand the risk areas. For example, our equipment now has unique coded seals for every unused input/output port, and I know to watch to ensure those stay intact.

    Ask "Why?" Ask to have equipment and processes explained to you. But at the same time, make sure that every moment of the day, you're acting beyond reproach. I hold my poll workers to very high standards, because every moment of every day, we're possibly under scrutiny, and it's important that there never be even the slightest incorrect impression that we're not being fully compliant to the rules and laws involved. I've actually had poll workers get angry and leave early because I was asking them to comply with the rules and they were unhappy being told, "No, you can't talk to your friend who is voting about politics" or "No, you can't imply you don't like a candidate by giving someone a funny look when they ask about a ballot option," or "No, you can't use your laptop/PDA/cellphone in our polling place".

    But I'm pretty freakin' idealistic about what I do. If I lived where I grew up, I'd be a poll worker in a place where these have been real problems for decades. Right now, I live and work as a poll worker in a part of the country that has not historically had problems with voter disenfranchisement. So my work may have less meaning, in some ways, but it's still important. (Sorry, I feel very strongly about what I do, and it's hard not to talk about that.)

  34. There is Election fraud and Voter Fraud... by PotatoHead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You would do yourself and the voters a big favor by considering BOTH. They are different things.

    Voter Fraud is where a voter misrepresents some element of their vote cast. Maybe it's casting more than one vote, a vote in the wrong place, a vote without entitlement to vote, etc...

    The GOP seems focused on the latter, BTW. It's a touchy subject for sure. IMHO, you are doing the right thing, and will have the high ground if you are focused on getting as many voters to vote as possible, not keeping as many voters from voting as possible.

    The key here is that Voter Fraud is some act on the part of the voter.

    Election Fraud is where the result of the election is being manupulated. That difference between preventing as many voters as possible, and promoting as many voters as possible, is one that can be election fraud, as well as being voter fraud. One example that serves to demonstrate election fraud would be to publish information that would disqualify voters that would not otherwise be disqualified. If this is done in a discriminatory fashion, there is a solid case for it potentially being voter fraud. Could be ignorance too, and that's gonna be one for the courts for sure!

    Another case of election fraud would be mis-programmed voting machines, or deliberate under / over allocation of them to impact the numbers of votes and the accuracy of the votes. (and I'm getting to the topic of accuracy in a moment) We saw some of this in Ohio big time in 2004, BTW.

    Still another would be manipulating the record of the vote. This could be done to impact or prevent a recount, for example. That's totally election fraud, not voter fraud. Maybe every voter did the right thing, but the election is still hosed. That's one way to tell the difference right there.

    Now, can you trust the damn things?

    No. Absolutely not. I don't care if they have a paper printer fitted or not, and here is why:

    When you make a mark on media, as the voter, the chain of trust between your intent and the record of the vote is complete! You know what who you want to vote for, and you can directly see the record of the vote cast. This record does not require any enabling technology to be observed and verified as being true to the intent and therefore the "right" vote cast.

    When you vote with electrons, this chain of trust is broken! Really, the voter knows who they want to vote for and does something to tell the machine their intent. So far, so good. Now, here's the kicker and why we should NEVER, EVER use the machines.

    What gets recorded is what the machine thinks the voter intent is! Think this part through. Let's say we walk up to the machine and cast a vote for Bob. We push the Bob button, get visual feed back, and a printed piece of paper that shows that the vote was for Bob. Feeling good right?

    What if the electronic record of the vote is for Jane? How can we know? We can't actually see the electrons now can we? The machine can easily show us a Bob vote and contain a Jane vote in the record used for the tally and there is absolutely no way we can verify that didn't happen, short of direct observation and a real time tally, keyed to each vote. (and that's just stupid)

    Here's another very simple way to look at it. Say I am the voting machine and I'm keeping a mental record of votes cast so that I can contribute them to the final tally. You vote Bob, and I count one for Bob. Then, I change that to Jane, after you have verified it. What evidence is there for that vote having ever been Bob? There is none. Electrons can just change, where paper will show some evidence of having been changed. The physical media is rendered less than perfect in the process of counting votes. Electronic storage devices don't exhibit this same quality on a directly observable human scale.

    Put simply, it's a vote by proxy and therefore cannot be trusted.

    Some will say the paper can check the electronic results. I would agree, but invoking the check i

  35. Tamper evident tape by NimbleSquirrel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Firstly, I'm going to assume that you have no control over the initial condition of those voting machines, and whether or not those machines generate a paper trail. Of course one would hope that the machines are checked by an independant authority, and that they generate a verifiable paper trail. This is more about protecting the machines while under your watch.

    If someone is determined to hack a voting machine, there will be little you can do to stop it. The key is being able to detect that some change was made. I doubt you'd have the kind of access or knowledge to detect software changes, but since nearly all voting machine hacks require access to the hardware you will be able to do something. Use tamper evident tape to seal the case, cover keyholes and block any open ports. The important part to this is to have multiple witnesses around when you apply the tape, and when you verify the tape is still there at the end of the day. Get them to sign an affadavit if you can. If a machine (or machines) have been tampered with under your watch, then you can alert the appropriate authorities.

  36. Here's a manual for election observation... by JimMarch(equalccw) · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://arizona.typepad.com/blog/files/Stonewall_handout.pdf

    This was written for the Stonewall Democrats. It includes boilerplate public records text at the end, some examples of dirty stuff seen in public records, examples of screwed-up facilities (with pictures) and more.

    This is an example of an after-action report written along these principles:

    http://www.bbvdocs.org/sequoia/Maricopa-County-Elections-Report.pdf

    I'm doing another right now for Monterey County California for the election of June 3rd '08. Found all sorts of crazy stuff. That should be posted at http://blackboxvoting.org/ in a day or two.

    Jim March
    Member of the board of directors
    Blackboxvoting.org

  37. Paper = Corruption Free? by qazwart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We get so hung up on paper ballots as if this would be a cure all for voting fraud. In the Northeast, paper ballots were eliminated in favor of mechanical voting machines in order to eliminate fraud.

    Yup, that's right. Back in the beginning of the last century, the biggest voting fraud was ballot box stuffing and ballot replacement. Read Carter's book "Turning Point: A Candidate, a State, and a Nation Come of Age" about his 1962 election for State Senate and see what type of fraud can occur with paper ballots.

    When New York and New Jersey went with the mechanical voting machines, they instituted quite a few procedures to help eliminate fraud. The polling chief has a book containing all registered voters with their signatures. When a voter comes to vote, they sign that book, and the signatures are compared. Once the polling chief is satisfied that the person is a registered voter, they have the person sign a voting ticket in the ticket book. Once the ticket is signed, it is given to the person in charge of the voting booth. This person threads the ticket onto a string, and pulls a large lever to set the machine for voting. The voter enters the machine, pulls a lever to close the drapes, and this unlocks the voting switches. The voter can flip the switches for the people they want to vote for, and then pulls the lever to open the drapes. This registers the tallies and resets the voting switches.

    The procedure is overseen by representatives of everyone on the ballot. A voter cannot vote twice because the machine needs to be reset by the person in charge of the voting booth. Diseased voters no longer show up to vote since you now have signatures to match against. The levers are set by the county and the machine is sealed and cannot be reset without a master key. The mechanical machines and the procedures that went with them helped clean up the elections in the Northeast.

    The problem is that these mechanical systems (which could be programmed in a very limited way) have been replaced by general CPUs with some form of voting software that no one is 100% sure how it works. You could always see how the gears and levers turn, but you can't see electrons flowing through silicone. It isn't the lack of paper as much as the lack of assurance that no one replaced the software or the tallies on the memory card.

    What we must understand is that a secure voting system is more than just a paper ballot which can be stuffed by the dozen into a ballot box. It is a whole procedure of verifying the voter, the ballot, and that there is a one-to-one correspondence of voters to ballots.

    My suggestion is to take care of what you can. There is no way of knowing if the software on the machine hasn't been tampered with before it was brought into the polling station. But, verify that the memory card is sealed and cannot be tampered with. Verify that the counters are reset and are zeroed out before the voting starts. Put a system in place to make sure that voters can only vote once. Make sure that no one is hanging over the voter. Make sure the voters actually finished voting. Some will press the buttons for their candidates but forget to push the final "Vote" button. Make sure that the machine has been reset before each voter.

    When the vote is finished, tally up the various totals and make sure they are in agreement. The number of votes should match the number of voters. Track the number of voters who simply decide not to vote and count them in any total.

    More importantly, follow whatever procedures you have. Get a hold of them before election day and study them thoroughly. That's the biggest problem. The volunteers at the polls not knowing the voting procedure.

    Lots of luck. I use to be a Texas poll watcher when we had those idiotic punch card ballots. We would verify that each card has cleanly punched chads before handing them to the voter. We had to verify that each voter had only a single punch card and we also would quickly examine the punched ballot for dimpled or hanging chads before

  38. Open Vote Count and Verification by djmoore · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not an expert, but here's my take:

    When you cast your vote, you are given a printed, human-readable copy of your ballot with a unique random index number printed on it, assigned at the moment your vote is cast, which is not linked to the voter rolls.

    All the votes are available on a website as a spreadsheet, sorted by index number. Anyone can download the sheet for a given district, or for all precincts.

    So, you download the sheet for your precinct, find your index number, and verify the recorded votes against your paper copy of the ballot.

    You can also count the votes for each candidate, and see that your totals match the officially reported ones.

    If they're not already, make the voter registration rolls open public records. That means that anyone can make spot checks, verifying that there are no dead people on the rolls. This list can be sorted by address, so you can check that there are not bogus addresses, or 100 people living in a two-room apartment.

    The total number of voting records must be less than the total number of registered voters.

    So, any individual voter can verify that:
    1. His vote was recorded correctly.
    2. The totals are being reported correctly.
    3. Bogus votes haven't been inserted into the system.

    Although that last check is weak, if enough people do spot checks, widespread, systematic fraud will likely be spotted, increasing the risk.

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  39. Just barely better than no paper trail at all by mbessey · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's just great that California has instituted a requirement for a voter-verifiable paper trail for e-voting machines, but the fundamental problems still remain.

    The problem with these machines is that there's no guarantee that the ballot that the voter verified actually matches what gets recorded in the memory of the machine, and what eventually gets transmitted upstream.

    Yes, a manual recount based on the paper trail would catch massive vote fraud - but that's only going to happen if the results are obviously bogus.

    The results of the voting machine review that the CA Secretary of State performed are here:
    http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vsr.htm

    Reading those reports is pretty scary. The state identified a bunch of weaknesses in the various systems, and imposed requirements on the vendors to plug the most egregious security holes. But there are literally DOZENS of operational requirements imposed to ensure that the voting is secure and that the privacy of voters is maintained.

  40. Re:Someone please... by hcmtnbiker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a large supporter of full disclosure I would have to disagree. The only way to fix potential holes is to bring them to light. There will always be people attempting to find the next big hole in security, making it public how you can work around something may have a short term effect of feeding "script kiddies" but in the end it's undeniable that it is beneficial to security at large.

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  41. Things to watch for by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    First your question holds the telescope at the wrong end. Tampering by voters is much less likely to occur because it is unlikely to change an election out come or occur in an undetectable manner. The people to watch are the election officials, with pre-a nd post voting access to the machines.

    That said what a voter can do depends on what machines you have in use. Lets consider the big three Diebold, Seqouia edge or ES&S ivotronic and no voter verified paper trails.

    On the ES&S, the voter is usually facing the machine in a privacy carrel and the machine is a flat block. It very possible for a voter to complete obscure the following transaction ( I know because I've done it). Flip the 5 pound machine over and you find little plastic door. you can easily force this open. Behind it is the Flash memory cards. Yank these out and put them in your pocket. close the food and flip the machine over. Leave and the election is screwed.

    It's also possible a diabolically well outfitted voter could have a second PBS device in his pocket. Armed with that, he can can admin access to the machine and do anything they like and vote as many times as they wish.

    With Sequoias edges, depending on the model revision number there can be a little yellow button on the back. Pressing that causes the machine to go in to supervisor mode. If I lean forward I can just reach around and get that button. If you were watching you could see me execute this clumsy maneauver.

    I've never had the chance to play with diebolds so I can't offer specifics Some diebolds have an unguarded IR port that a hacker might be able to do something interesting with on their palm pilot. But I don't think there's any known attacks yet.

    On all of these machines, it's possible to miscalibrate the screens. The screens can be miscalibrated by heat or scratching them with keys. In the neighboring county we had one guy running for office actually carve his name into the machine. Unfucking believable.

    That same county had a vote buying operation going on (a few people got arrested and convicted). So make sure people vote alone.

    For systems with paper tapes (not paper ballots) you can sell your vote if you have a camera or cell-phone camera because a picture of the voted paper tape before it scrolls out of sight is proof of vote. So no cameras!

    But the problem with all these is that there's a huge risk to the bad voter and they can only affect a few votes. At worst they wreck one machine and probably get caught. Vote flipping is hard if not impossible at the retail level.

    THe really fun things happen when supervisors can reprogram systems, get access to the flash media and have the ability to replace it.

    Perhaps the best way to sabotage an election is the Denial of Service attack. Simply having machines not boot in the morning tends to filter out working wage-class folks over seniors or people on salaries. Having long lines in the late afternoon filters out working moms that have to go pick up the kids and take them to soccer practice. Likewise breakdowns in the evening are cool because you can close the polls while there are still people who have not voted. (see Ohio for example).

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  42. Nothing by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There is essentially nothing you can do. There is a 'black box' (voting machine). Nobody except the guy that last tampered with it knows what it does. Voters push buttons on the box, and the box makes some entries in a database. There is no way to correlate the two.

    If you ACTUALLY want to insure there is no (electronic) tampering. Disable the machines and have everyone cast paper ballots. Otherwise forget it. Personally I would resign since I wouldn't be capable of doing my job under the circumstances, and frankly maybe this charade would end if all the poll workers stood up and did that.

    Thank you for asking though, it is really nice to know someone is concerned. Sorry we can't be more helpful, but the above is literally (and sadly) the truth...

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  43. That's easy by skintigh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) Make sure the company who built the machines is 100% reliable and they do 100% effective background checks on 100% of their employees and 100% of their patches and upgrades are secure and legitimate, and that no human there ever errs.

    2) Make sure that all your machines are 100% physically secure 100% of the time up to and after elections so that the internals cannot be swapped or hacked, and that no human in charge of this errs

    3) Watch 100% of voters 100% of the time to make sure none of them alters or hacks the machines, and make sure none of your staff ever err

    See? It's easy! All it requires is blind faith that humans are infallible and will never do wrong intentionally or through error.

    I'll stick to paper.

  44. Things to do by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The chances of election tampering happening in your berg are pretty slim. People are just not sophisticated enough and the system is in too much flux to pull is off easily. As things settle and people gain experience the security holes will be bigger issues.

    The bigger issues are two fold. Errors and the Appearance of fraud. These are indistinguishable on electronic voting machines.

    So you job is to stay calm and go the extra mile to keep everything transparent. It does me no good if your deputy, the guy you've know since you were 8, donated his kidney to you, and married your kid sister seem trustworthy to you. You still have to do things the long boring way. Two people do operations, other witness. No ones word is taken for granted.

    post results on the precint door if the law allows, BEFORE you transmit any results.

    transparency is the key to trustworthy elections. Don't worry so much about fraud as making people see how the process works.

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  45. Secrecy? Was: Re:Do you have a paper trail? by sjs132 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The point of the secret ballot is so that these can't be issues in the first place.


    Secrecy? Do you really think your vote is anonymous? In Ohio: When I walk in, I wait in line.. The LOL'S (Little Ol' Lady Squad) asks for my Name and ID. After They Find me in the books, I have to sign in on a numbered page. That Signature is compared on my Voter registration page. They never look much the same, but I don't think anyone really cares. The last lady gets told the sequential line # that I'm signed in on, and punches that into the diabold (I think) card reader thing.

    That Card links me to my vote. I then go and vote my votes. at verification time, it is printed... I can then choose to change it, and I have in the past if I misread a name, etc.

    After changes it is verification time, again. after final verification is printed, and I have agreeed that that is my vote, it prints off lots of #'s and stuff and then form feeds the sheet out of the window.

    I'm (I shouldn't) assuming that those #'s link back to the Card # / translation to my voter line # / name. If they don't, I'd be surprised because that is the audit trail that NEEDS to be there, and that is what I want.

    I do not care about a secret vote because I am not ashamed of my vote.

    The only people that need secret votes is if they are afraid of who they are voting for, and if it is that bad, then we have other problems beyond voting machines to worry about.

    Now, My UNION that I belong to has indicated that THEY want to take away anonymous voting... THAT is wrong because with such a smaller sampling of people, then there can be revenge directed and extracted onto a worker who didn't vote the "correct" way. As for General election, I don't think that will be an issue.

    BTW,
      If I'm not carrying ID or have a non photo ID, I can vote provisional. But that doesn't really count unless a recount is asked for. This is where a lot of dead people vote. It's all paperwork that you don't have to verify, just swear under "oath" that the information provided is correct. (Right...)

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    1. Re:Secrecy? Was: Re:Do you have a paper trail? by Unipuma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only people that need secret votes is if they are afraid of who they are voting for, and if it is that bad, then we have other problems beyond voting machines to worry about. ... As for General election, I don't think that will be an issue. Wow, hope you can explain that to the people in Zimbabwe who get beat up if they don't vote for Mugabe in their presidential election.

      Vote anonymity is important, in EVERY election. It's not about being ashamed of your vote, but about not having ANY outside pressure influencing how you vote.
      People should be allowed to vote even for something they 'should feel ashamed about', since that means they just disagree with the current morals of that community.

  46. Sorry, but your facts are wrong. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are wrong on nearly all counts.

    (1) E-voting tampering has proven to be rampant and has been reported virtually "everywhere", i.e., it is impossible to predict what precinct will be victim, rural or otherwise.

    (2) "The people", sophisticated or not, are not the problem. The problem is sophisticated, carefully prepared, and sneaky people who are in positions of authority or easy access. That is, the people to watch are voting officials and employees of the voting machine company, and anyone else who has "special" access, even if that is just tallying the count.

    (3) Real errors are few, and they are EASY to distinguish from fraud. In order for electronic voting fraud to be worthwhile, each tampered machine must have significantly skewed results. You are correct, however, that "appearance of fraud" can be a problem.

    You are also correct that transparency is your greatest ally. However, all the "apparent", public transparency you can muster will not compensate for "oddly designed" or hacked software on the voting machine. The only transparency that will solve that problem is public access to the machine's code. Some states are adopting laws to that effect.