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First Ethernet Switch In Space

Rebecca will you marry me? writes "The ESA's Columbus laboratory module was added to the International Space Station in February, but Hewlett-Packard has only now chosen to reveal that the LAN onboard Columbus uses a ProCurve 2524 switch." HP admits it was the "most unusual and demanding" project ProCurve has done yet.

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  1. Title is misleading by N3TW4LK3R · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA: "Two redundant LAN switches, developed by the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) Astrium, already operate in the ISS network core and now have been joined by HP's ProCurve 2524 switch"

    I sent this in an e-mail to Taco when the article was still in the 'mysterious future' but that message must have been stopped by his spam filter or something.

    Yeah yeah, I must be new here ;)

  2. Fortunately, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    they aren't using Linksys routers as well. Password: defaultshuttle

  3. Cool test methodology by dreamchaser · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Despite the misleading title (should probably say first OFF THE SHELF switch in orbit), it's pretty cool how they tested these. From TFA:

    Switches from Cisco, D-Link, Avaya, 3Com, NetGear and Hewlett Packard were exposed to extreme levels of radiation in a particle accelerator in Villigen, Switzerland under conditions similar to space.


    Makes one think more about all the radiation crewmembers get exposed to as well, even within the protective embrace of the Earth's magnetic field. That's one of the big hurdles to travel to Mars of course; long term exposure to varying levels of radiation (mostly from the Sun).

    I just think it's geeky-cool that they put them in a particle accellerator for testing though.
    1. Re:Cool test methodology by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 4, Funny

      They did try to test a Belkin one, but that one failed even before they'd subjected it to the particle accelerator.

    2. Re:Cool test methodology by brunokummel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Despite the misleading title (should probably say first OFF THE SHELF switch in orbit)...
      not necessarily, since It must be really hard to keep something ON THE SHELF in outer space.. =)
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  4. Re:And this is interesting because? by thomasdz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Extended G-forces during launch might be a good test of how well solder joints, connectors, and other components are made.

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  5. Re:And this is interesting because? by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 4, Informative

    Semiconductors generally don't like high-radiation environments, such as outer space. Hence the normal use of specially made high-$$$ "rad-hard" components in space systems.

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  6. well.... by KozmoKramer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see a job opportunity for a network engineer, or at the very least a network cabling repair guy. Imagine that help desk ticket @ NASA.......

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    1. Re:well.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, I get paid 55 cents a kilometer for service calls. I definitely want this job, although my Honda Civic might have a tough time getting to orbit.

    2. Re:well.... by ggvaidya · · Score: 3, Funny

      First a plumber, and now an IT helpdesk guy. NASA's really trying to reach out to the common man.

    3. Re:well.... by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 3, Funny

      Space is only an hour's drive away, if your Civic can drive straight up.

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  7. Re:And this is interesting because? by N3TW4LK3R · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In space, it's exposed to all kinds of radiation that normally gets blocked by the earth's atmosphere.
    This is one of the reasons we try to limit the complexity of electronics sent out to space. (and additionally, shield the hell out of everything)
    I believe the shuttle uses a computer comparable to a 386, for this reason.

  8. Rebecca! Save yourself!! by th0mas.sixbit.org · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's a nerd! Save yourself Rebecca!

    (before you mod OT look at submission again ;) )

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  9. obligatory by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    In space, no one can hear the NIC scream.

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  10. Re:And this is interesting because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heat is not removed from components by airflow because warm air doesn't rise in zero gravity. This means forced convection has to reach more places.

  11. The "HAM" sats did it a decade ago by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Amateur Radio satellites went to an Ethernet backbone some time ago - over a decade IIRC.

  12. Re:And this is interesting because? by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is there some reason why a router in orbit would behave differently in any way from a router sitting in a rack in the server room? I suspect there may be some timeout issues due to the network cable connecting them to ground control slightly exceeding the Ethernet spec's maximum length.
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  13. Re:And this is interesting because? by muffel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    • Cooling: No 'natural' convection
    • G-Forces, Vibration
    • Radiation
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  14. Re:And this is interesting because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope for the sake of the ISS crew that it's "low rad" in the ISS.

    The radiation the semiconductors don't like are heavy particles like neutrons which are extremely harmful to humans too.

  15. Brown.... by mikelieman · · Score: 5, Funny

    You ever ship anything UPS? If it survive *them*, launching into orbit should be a no-brainer.

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  16. Re:And this is interesting because? by tbischel · · Score: 3, Funny

    Extended G-forces during launch might be a good test of how well solder joints, connectors, and other components are made.

    Hmm... sounds like an expensive test plan. How about just testing g-forces in the lab? ;-)

  17. Re:And this is interesting because? by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Shuttle flight computer uses the 386 double sigma.
    here are some other notes:
    http://klabs.org/DEI/Processor/shuttle/

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  18. Re:And this is interesting because? by cyclone96 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually it's the US segment of ISS that uses the 386 based machines (although a couple may go to Pentiums in a few years).

    The Orbiter uses the AP-101S, which was also used in military aircraft. NASA has a great deal of published history online regarding Shuttle Avionics here.

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  19. Re:Cost? by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bits weigh less in space, so they're easier to compress.

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  20. Re:And this is interesting because? by Fizzlewhiff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Heat. Things have to run cooler as there's no convection in space.

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  21. Re:Why is this news? by thesandbender · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't be serious. Almost every enterprise Ethernet switch has fans. Including the terrestial model of the ProCurve 2524.

  22. Re:is anyone paying attention? by cyclone96 · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are absolutely correct, which is why nothing on these networks is something on which life depends.

    I'm going to greatly simplify this, but there are basically three networks onboard the space station. One is mostly off the shelf laptops and networking equipment that runs Windows and is used for crew support (email, procedures, timelines, photos, and such). It frequently needs maintenance, but it does the job. It's also (relatively) easy to certify and plug new hardware into it, so it can be updated frequently as commercial technology advances (for example, later this year the Thinkpad A31p laptops will be swapped out for newer models).

    The second is a payload ethernet network that is used by the payload system to collect and downlink high volume data through the USOS Ku-band system. Failure of this network only impacts science collection and some support activities. These switches are part of this network. The standards are more stringent, but not to the level of stuff on which safety or mission success depends.

    The third network is the core computer system, which is all custom built hardware/software wired up with MIL-STD 1553 data bus. This is the network which runs the core vehicle systems (life support, attitude control, what have you). The hardware and software are developed to a much more rigorous standard than the first two networks (and it obviously costs a lot more and is slower to update because the the long pole of certification and testing). Some of the machines on this network have been chugging along for nearly a decade without failure.

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  23. Re:vulnerability by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 3, Funny

    Won't someone think of the child molesters?