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Tin Whiskers — Fact Or Fiction?

bLanark writes "Some time ago, most electronics were soldered with old-fashioned lead solder, which has been tried and tested for decades. In 2006, the EU banned lead in solder, and so most manufacturers switched to a lead-free solder. Most made the switch in advance, I guess due to shelf-life of products and ironing out problems working with the new material. Lead is added to solder as it melts at low temperature, but also, it prevents the solder from growing 'whiskers' — crystalline limbs of metal. The effect of whiskers on soldered equipment would include random short-circuits and strange RF-effects. Whiskers can grow fairly quickly and become quite long. Robert Cringley wrote this up this some time ago, but it seems that the world has not been taking notice. I guess cars (probably around 30 processors in a modern car) and almost every appliance would be liable to fail sooner than expected due to tin whiskers. Note that accelerated life-expectancy tests can't simulate the passing of time for whiskers to grow. I've googled, and there is plenty of research into the effects of tin whiskers. I should point out that the Wikipedia page linked to above states that tin whisker problems 'are negligible in modern alloys,' but can we trust Wikipedia? So: was the tin whisker problem overhyped, was it an initial problem that has been solved in the few years since lead-free solder came into use, or is it affecting anyone already?"

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  1. lead free solder by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Informative

    SnAgCu Rohs solder(with 3% silver and .05% copper) joints don't appear to whisker but they appear dimpled and shitty compared to the smooth, shiny joints of garden-variety tin/lead. At least in the electronics industry, your percenteges and mileage may vary.

    1. Re:lead free solder by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Informative

      This makes it a bitch to visually detect bad solder joints also. Not only are they dimpled/mottled, the solder does not wick up onto leads like tin/lead. The leads just sort of mush down into the solder paste. Maybe this is less of a problem with the newer leadless packages, but for older SOIC packages it makes visual detection of defects more difficult.

    2. Re:lead free solder by gweihir · · Score: 2, Informative

      Indeed. I have switched my soldering to this type of solder some time ago, and the results look a bit like you do not know what you are doing. It is not quite that bad though. Apart from that, my impression is that the joints are more durable.

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    3. Re:lead free solder by mrmeval · · Score: 5, Informative


      I've been seeing heat related issues, some component manufacturers have removed the lead but their parts do not hold up to the heat required for no-lead reflow and wave soldering. We're having parts not only fall out during testing but getting field failures back. This is for non-electrolytic capacitors a ceramic surface mount type and a through hole mylar type.

      I've been seeing some units that were done with no-lead less than a year ago where parts are falling off the board. These were some of our early no-lead units so they'll just warranty them and replace the boards.

      As to the tin whisker problem NASA has a lot of information on it.
      http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/

      But I can't see where they're following their own advice if it means it's a 'show stopper'
      http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4537

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    4. Re:lead free solder by celtic_hackr · · Score: 2, Informative

      A company that makes systems for trains use lead free solder, and I've not seen these problems. But they also coat the boards and solder joints with a sealant. This removes oxidation and any possible tin growth problem. You'd better hope these work, because the boards are used on freight trains.

    5. Re:lead free solder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No sealant or coating has been shows to have the slightest effect on tin whiskers. They grow from below and are atomically sharp; thus they poke right through surface oxidation, confirmal coatings, or whatever.

      What has been shown to have an effect is a bake/anneal after tin coating to form a stable Cu/Sn intermetallic layer; that basically preempts the low-temperature intermetallic recrystallization that is behind whisker growth.

    6. Re:lead free solder by harrkev · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sometimes you can get an intermittent contact that will test fine sometimes (like when thh board is horizontal) but will fail when the board is tipped or shaken. Ask me to tell you the story of a MIL-STD-1553 transformer one time. All of the usual testing techniques (JTAG, bed-of-nails) can miss these. I am not sure how X-ray would handle this though (not much experience with manufacturing beyond the prototype stage).

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  2. Exception by pipatron · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing to remember is that safety control and monitoring products like fire alarms, but probably also car electronics, are excepted from the RoHS directive until at least 2012, possibly until 2018, but there's really no fixed date set yet. So yes, your DVD player might die, your car probably won't.

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    1. Re:Exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the electronics manufacturing lines I deal with, they have some Pb-Free and some non Pb-Free lines. So the article's concern about safety critical devices is incorrect.

      Yes, once you convert a line, there's no going back. But you don't have to convert all your equipment at once. You can keep a mix for as long as you see the demand for plain old lead solder.

    2. Re:Exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In the electronics manufacturing lines I deal with, they have some Pb-Free and some non Pb-Free lines. So the article's concern about safety critical devices is incorrect.

      Yes, once you convert a line, there's no going back. But you don't have to convert all your equipment at once. You can keep a mix for as long as you see the demand for plain old lead solder. The reason they are exempt is that they KNOW that RoHS is a pile of bollocks. Always has been. Lead usage in the electronics industry is horribly low, and to make matters worse, lead free solder fails at a greater rate, is harder to use and generally a pain in the ass to deal with.

      It was a feel good law that more and more idiots sucked up and didn't bother to fight.
  3. NASA Are Worried by Ganty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, NASA Goddard are worried about the situation and they have done extensive studies on the subject:

    http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/

    Ganty

  4. Tin Whiskers are fact by zejackal · · Score: 5, Informative

    Tin whiskers are, in fact a reality. They are a problem with pure tin specifically. The older tin-lead, and newer tin-vanadium alloys don't have the problem. However, many manufacturers still manufacture parts in a pure tin variety. The reason for all of this pure tin madness is that the EU passed strict anti-lead regulations and so the lead had to be removed from electronics. EU manufacturers immediately started using pure tin parts. In the US, many manufacturers followed suit, partly because pure tin parts were now more available than tin-lead (and at the time there was hardly any tin-vanadium), and partly because they wanted to maintain a good environmental image. Some manufacturers, having been burned by the whisker problem insisted on a better solution hence the tin-vanadium solders now available. The problem is there are a lot of electronics out there with pure tin parts in there. For example, I'm no fan of flying on Airbus aircraft manufactured in the late '90s and early 2000s (pure tin baby). The thing is, the hardware will work perfectly... until it doesn't, then an errant short will cause a malfunction and in the act, the tin whisker will vaporize. The only way you'll find the problem is with electron microscopy.

    1. Re:Tin Whiskers are fact by plusser · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as I am aware (and bearing in mind that I am a component engineer in the aerospace industry working equipment that is fitted to both Boeing and Airbus aircraft) there are currently NO LEAD FREE SOLDERS approved for use on critical applications on commercial jet aircraft. The Aerospace is currently out of scope of the RoHS directive as aircraft are not on open sale to the domestic consumer.

      Since 1994 the Aerospace and Military industry have been using commercial components to keep down costs as a result of the Perry Directive. This means that while the assemblies are manufactured using Tin Lead (Sn/Pb) solders, the components are now supplied with a Lead Free solder finish on the solderable terminations in order to comply with the RoHS requirements on commercial equipment. The problem is that different manufacturers have different finishes, and the suitability of that finish can very much depend on the design of the component (surface mount or through hole technology) and the design of the PCB to which it is attached (ground plane design), as well as the type of lead free solder that has been used.

      In addition, some lead free solders (such as Tin Bismuth) which have lower melting points that traditional Tin/Lead, leading to poor solder joints if mixed with a tin/lead process.

      To summarise, the problems that can be caused by using lead free solders are significant and there are more problems than just tin whiskering. The solution is knowledge of the problem and careful assessment of every component and processes used if the product is going to be used in a long life, high reliability product, irrespective of whether the product comes under the RoHS are not.

    2. Re:Tin Whiskers are fact by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Once the whisker grows long enough to create a short between two adjacent contacts, even if the whisker immediately melts the transient disruption can affect logic circuits. If the voltage between the contacts is high enough the whisker can immediately vaporize and carry hundreds of amps of current.

    3. Re:Tin Whiskers are fact by budgenator · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ionized tin arc bridge is quite capable of conducting all of the available current. If your lucky it's a high impeadance low current signal line that shorts out instead of a 200 amp power feed. If the first happens your equipment glitches, if the second the Li-ion battery explodes in your pocket or worse.

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  5. Well here are a few facts... by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Informative
    Contrary to what the summary implies, lead (327C)has a far higher melting point than tin(231C).

    Any whiskering is far more likely to be a result of board contaminants than just the tin migrating. Modern solders are less forgiving of bad handling practices.Poor flux choice and board cleaning practices are normally to blame for many faults. Changes in board cleaning practices to eliminate various chemicals means that the industry has had to learn how to do things again.

    So, while modern practices might be less forgiving, any faults are really just a result of poor processes.

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    1. Re:Well here are a few facts... by computer_guy57 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Remember also the phenomenon of melting-point depression: when two substances are combined in an alloy (e.g., lead and tin) the melting point of the alloy can be lower than the melting point of either individually.

    2. Re:Well here are a few facts... by perbert · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Pb-Sn eutectic temperature is around 183 C. That's what the summary is referring to.

    3. Re:Well here are a few facts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This image shows that your entire premise is bullshit.

    4. Re:Well here are a few facts... by gweihir · · Score: 2, Informative

      SnAgCu is at 215C or so. You feel the difference when using it. In addition, PbSn melts a bit like chocolate, i.e. it gets soft before it gets liquid. SnAgCu fells like it is going directly from hard to liquid and the other way round. Took me a bit to get used to (I do electronics as a hobby), but I think SnAgCu may actually better. Is mechanical strenght is certainly better. You do need to solder a bit hotter, and hence faster in order to not damage the componens, but once you have figured it out, the new stiff works well.

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    5. Re:Well here are a few facts... by JoeMerchant · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's not just the solder that changed, it is also the "tinning" on all of the components, this is a huge change in the industry and we're basically throwing out decades of experience just to start learning all over again.

      Rumors floating out of NASA/JSC a few years back were that they were pretty seriously concerned about the sea-change in industry since they get so much of their current componentry off the shelf, and they have documented cases of whisker induced failures. It's one thing when your iPod craps out, quite another when a GPS satellite goes off-line.

      In the world of implantable medical devices (actually quite similar to space, since after a device is "launched" you really don't want to replace it for a stupid failure), there is also a lot of concern. Both of these fields can still use lead based solder, but they can no longer buy basic capacitors, and other components with the traditional lead alloy end-caps, and just the absence of lead in the caps can lead to whisker formation.

      What the parent posted is a very macho statement from an industry that wants you to believe that they have a handle on the problem. Stop for a minute and think about all the mom & pop immigrant employing electronic sweatshops in the US - now think how most of those assembly plants are run in Costa Rica, Taiwan, and mainland China... how many of them are going to be educated enough to even begin to approach the kind of expertise required to avoid tin whiskers in lead free assemblies?

      My take is that the electronics industry is laughing all the way to the bank, because they've taken another step on the road to manufacturing a disposable commodity. Nothing helps sales more than replacement business, and if everybody makes crap that dies within 5-10 years, you aren't going to be able to buy anything that lasts anymore.

      My stereo amplifier from 1985 still works almost like the day I bought it, but with lead free connections inside, it would likely have a half-life on the order of just a few years, you never know when it's going to die, but die someday it will.
    6. Re:Well here are a few facts... by hitmark · · Score: 2, Informative

      maybe he just worries about inhaling to much lead vapor. we know what lead pipes can do over time, why not lead vapor?

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    7. Re:Well here are a few facts... by elwinc · · Score: 2, Informative
      Yes, the graph of melting point vs mixture is called a eutectic diagram. Every new compound in the mix can lower the melting point significantly. This patent claims to solve the problem. It says:

      [0024] To prevent Sn whisker growth, one should remove at least one of the three following conditions of whisker growth: (1) Room temperature grain boundary diffusion of Sn in Sn, (2) Room temperature reaction between Sn and Cu to form Cu.sub.6Sn.sub.5, and (3) Formation of a stable and protective surface of Sn-oxide. If we remove any one or more of them, we should have in principle no whisker growth. In practice, substantially removing any one of them should lead to substantially hindered whisker growth. However, as we found from the synchrotron radiation study, it takes only a very small stress level to grow a Sn whisker. It is thus a difficult problem to prevent Sn whisker growth. The solution recommended by NEMI is to satisfy the condition (2) by preventing the Cu from reacting with Sn. To satisfy the condition (3) is unrealistic since one would have to have no oxide on the surface of the finish and to keep the device in ultra-high vacuum, or at least in an oxygen-free environment, to prevent oxidation. We disclose here to substantially satisfy the condition (1) by blocking the grain boundary diffusion of Sn. Also, we disclose that a combination of the two solutions together to satisfy both conditions (1) and (2) is even better. [0025] To prevent Sn whisker growth, one should uncouple stress generation and stress relaxation. One should remove both stress generation and stress relaxation. Stress generation can be removed by blocking the diffusion of Cu into Sn. The NEMI solution is to stop the diffusion of Cu into Sn by electroplating a layer of Ni between the Cu and Sn solder finish. The Ni serves as a diffusion barrier to prevent the diffusion of Cu into Sn. However, up to now, no solution to prevent stress relaxation has been available. In other words, there has been no teachings regarding preventing the creep process or the diffusion of Sn atoms to the whiskers. We thus disclose here to use another kind of diffusion barrier to stop the diffusion of Sn. Since we should block the diffusion of Sn atoms from substantially every grain of Sn in the finish, it is a non-trivial problem to solve.
      Material science isn't my specialty though...
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    8. Re:Well here are a few facts... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah - the battery doesn't exactly have RoHS written all over it, either.

      Interestingly enough, there are lead-(and other hazardous substance)-containing parts that are considered RoHS by exemption. Usually, this is because there is no existing viable alternative. Of course, a battery is also likely to be recycled, since it has a cash value even as junk.

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  6. According to the web by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Informative

    Tin Whiskers appear real:

        http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/background/index.htm
        http://www.calce.umd.edu/lead-free/tin-whiskers/

    From what I can tell from these links there issue is still present in lead-free solder, and very much an issue in certain conditions. I have not seen any pages which indicate long-term solutions, though it would be interesting if someone can turn one up.

    Another link:

        http://www.national.com/analog/packaging/leadfree

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  7. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by hughk · · Score: 4, Informative

    The issue is more for some little Chinese kid who lives by scrapping our electronics. This means the lead is concentrated and gets into water and all sorts.

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  8. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's sealed away properly now, but unless people dispose of old equipment properly it ends up in a dump somewhere, and there's a risk that in a few decades it will end up contaminating groundwater. Obviously it's a hard risk to quantify, so I'll fence-sit as to whether this is a useful precaution or not.

  9. An attempt to discredit WP with lies, I say. by game+kid · · Score: 3, Informative

    More importantly, where in "the Wikipedia page linked to above" did it state "that tin whisker problems 'are negligible in modern alloys'"?

    I saw nothing that said that in current version, and it hasn't been edited (minor or otherwise) since June 13th. I certainly cannot find that single-quoted statement.

    I am all for scrutinizing Wiki pages, and not using unverifiable statements from them, but I will not support discrediting them on material that was not written on them in the first place.

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    1. Re:An attempt to discredit WP with lies, I say. by kesuki · · Score: 2, Informative

      he might mean http://nepp.nasa.gov/whisker/reference/tech_papers/2007-brusse-metal-whiskers.pdf page 5 where a '0.5% to 1%' lead coating prevents whiskers. the source is cited on wikipedia.

      ROSH laws require less than 0.1% though... i think they need to rethink that on lead, if 1% lead stops whiskering, it's well worth it.

      cadmium is also banned, and was the first metal to ever verify whiskering. chromate actually accelerates whiskering, so finding an additive that is better than lead might be hard.

    2. Re:An attempt to discredit WP with lies, I say. by kesuki · · Score: 4, Informative

      i found the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder

      ""Tin Whiskers" were a problem with early electronic solders which were coincidentally lead-free, and lead was initially added in part to eliminate them. These problems are negligible in modern alloys,[citation needed]"

      the only metal I've heard of as being whisker free is lead, though, even gold silver and copper can whisker.

    3. Re:An attempt to discredit WP with lies, I say. by andreyvul · · Score: 3, Informative

      >the only metal I've heard of as being whisker free is lead
      Oh really?
      http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/other_whisker/index.htm#pb

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    4. Re:An attempt to discredit WP with lies, I say. by AB3A · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to NASA, research has shown that you need at least 3% lead in the solder alloy to prevent whiskering.

      There are conformal coatings which can delay the effects of tin whiskering, but that's all they do. They do not prevent the tin whisker from forming.

      There are many tests out there which test for strength of the connection. But very few test for whiskering. We need to be careful when discussing this subject. Oh, and one other thing: the new solder alloys are not compatible with the older tin plated parts. This issue has turned the market in to one great big experiment.

      At the end of the day we don't really have much of a lead problem with electronics. Now, the RoHS folk have turned this relatively minor ecological problem in to a major headache for the general public. I hope you weren't expecting that pacemaker to last more than three years....

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  10. Re:Will my tin foil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Not likely as most modern tinfoil hat are actually made of aluminum foil available at grocery stores.

  11. Re:If you don't trust wikipedia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or just follow the links to the original sources that the Wikipedia article cites.

  12. CRAPacitors failed way before tin whiskers by Stavr0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had several equipment fail, not because of tin whiskers, but because of crappy capacitors that leaked and/or burst.

  13. zinc whiskers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Zinc whiskers are also a problem - specifically if the raised floor in a datacenter is held up by older galvanized steel standards. i've actually got a client with this issue - you can see the whiskers on server motherboards with a flashlight held at an oblique angle.

    symptoms included random server failures, power supplies and pdu's exploding (had one go off when i was in the room - NOT FUN)

    they not only had the old standards, but the roof overhead was steel, soldered with a solder that also contained zinc.

  14. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by rueger · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...but is the amount of lead in solder really dangerous?

    The risk is likely more to people repairing and building electronics than to the consumer. The last transmitter tech that I worked with was adamant about handwashing and always had a high wattage light positioned over solder work so that rising hot air would draw lead fumes up and away from his face.

    People who hand load ammunition face a similar long term but real risk of lead exposure.

  15. Re:Useless without pictures. by Iceykitsune · · Score: 1, Informative

    rickroll

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  16. You forgot... by msauve · · Score: 2, Informative

    the exemption for military electronics.

    RoHS may b e good for plebes, but the ruling class can't risk losing control.

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    1. Re:You forgot... by Candid88 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "RoHS may b e good for plebes, but the ruling class can't risk losing control."

      That's a bit misleading. Basically all military systems are of electronic categories (e.g. control & monitoring systems) which would make them exempt if they were civilian also.

      Vehicles and aircraft electronics for example are exempt until around 2018 regardless of them being military or civilian.

  17. RoHS caused one of our boards to catch FIRE by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The board was in the field in a T&M application for about 1 year. Root cause pointed to 2 factors. First the board had very poor (actually out of spec) via to pad alignment. The result was significantly increased voltage density between the offending 12V via and the ground plane. The second factor WAS RoHS compliant board prep and solder. Basically drilled and plated via holes are not 100% sealed (rough bits of fiberglass can still protude through the plating). The solder was one of these high Tin (97%) varieties, and we got dendrite growth (not the more common whisker growth) INSIDE the board along the fiberglass fibers between the via hole and the ground plane, creating a short from a ~30A power bus to ground. The board caught fire. Indications are that it creates a crappy short that repeatedly fries open, and regrows causing intermittents, then eventually enough heat for fire if the power supply can handle it. Higher power electronics with dendrite growth or tin whiskers may fail only briefly (or not at all) when a wimpy short occurs. Low power signal lines won't always have enough juice to overcome the short and may fully die on the very first short. Our safety/reliability group said dendrite growth is a known, but poorly talked about issue that is greatly exacerbated by the lack of lead, and greatly increased board densities today. To a previous post about melting points. Yes, Tin/Lead solder melts well below the melting point of either element in the alloy, at about 175-180C depending on the particulars. NASA literature indicates that conformal coating is ineffective against whisker growth. At a previous defense sub-component job we had to resort to getting many parts re-plated with a tin/lead finish over their matte tin finish to comply with contract requirements. Most commercial off the shelf parts (COTS) are no longer available with anything but matte Tin, or other RoHS finishes. Many vendors changed finishes without any notice, creating havoc in our stick room.

  18. Re:Does it matter? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Informative

    My car is 16 years old and still in pretty good shape. I guess it will last a few more years. So 20 years are not unrealistic for a car.

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  19. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is no such thing as "lead fumes" while soldering. Temperatures are NOT high enough to vaporize lead at all. Granted, some of the flux materials used in solder are not so good for you to breathe, but you will not inhale any lead while soldering. Wash your hands after soldering and your lead intake is practically zero.

  20. Pb was in the GLASS! by Gim+Tom · · Score: 3, Informative

    The EU Lead regulations came about when the CRT was king and the glass screen in front of the CRT was made of heavily leaded GLASS -- yep similar to the heavily leaded glass "crystal" that some EU countries are so proud of for wine glasses! The amount of lead in the electronics was minimal compared to the lead in this glass, which was usually broken up and sent to the land fill. Of course the problem is going away pretty fast since the CRT is going away! LCD displays don't have or need the leaded glass -- they are not first cousins to an X-Ray tube! Oh, the single BIGGEST source of Lead getting into the environment is automobile batteries -- and no they don't have lead free versions of those (well they do, but the cadmium is worse!).

  21. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by dbIII · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ham no, but I live in a place where "seafood sticks" are made out of cows. Amazing what can can be done with tripe and boiled down prawn (shrimp) shells for flavour.

  22. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by billcopc · · Score: 2, Informative

    When soldering, I'm far more worried about that nasty flux than any imaginary lead vapors. Lead boils at 1600'C or so... definitely higher than my iron's tip.

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  23. Re:Ice spikes by shbazjinkens · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's interesting is, nobody seems to draw a parallel between spikes that appear when clear water is frozen and tin whiskers.
    Yeah, they do. NASA shows here a parallel between salt whiskers and tin whiskers. They're both crystalline structures, just like ice. I imagine lots of other crystals probably do the same thing, judging by macro-scale crystal growths in rock appearing as spikes.
  24. Re:Reprinted from my blog by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Informative

    The most popular new system eliminated the plating step, attaching components directly to the bare copper using chemicals called Organic Solderability Preservatives. OSP leads to stronger and more durable assemblies than even the old tin/lead process. The problem we ran into with OSP was that it wears off in less than a year. Sure, the boards can be shipped back to the vendor, cleaned off, and coated with a new layer, but that's expensive. We found that OSP-coated boards had a lower shelf life, and tended to show intermittent failures during in-circuit test because of poor electrical contact on the test bed probes.

    Anyway, at my company we've settled on immersion silver as our PCB finish of choice. (We've been through white tin and OSP, and dabbled in immersion gold, but the silver finish has been working well for 3-4 years.)
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  25. Re:Silver immune from tin wiskers by Technician · · Score: 2, Informative

    These are completely immune to tin whiskers.

    I would be supprised if silver grew tin. Technicaly you are correct, Silver doesn't grow Tin whiskers.

    Silver whiskers is a real problem in industrial locations where Florene is present. The circuit breakers, buss bars and other industrial power components are prone to growing Silver whiskers. Failures are the result of increased contact reistance causing failure from overheating and arc flash failures from arcs initiated from the short. Both are serious failures.

    Refrence with photos, Of course:
    http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/other_whisker/silver/index.htm

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  26. Re:I wouldn't go that far by Socguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    With Wikipedia I find it interesting to read the talk page when there is a contested article. If you're really interested in the subject matter, You can often learn significantly more with two knowledgeable people arguing about that topic.

  27. Re:Is lead truly that dangerous ? by labnet · · Score: 3, Informative

    ROHS has been a billion dollar expense to the electronics industry, and it is argued the solutions are causing more enviromental damage than the original problem which was based ONE scientific paper out of the USA which was since retracted.
    Lead free is a huge pain.
    All soldering processes run 20deg hotter, consuming more electricity and stressing components, especially MLS devices (Mousture absorbed by components turns to steam fracturing parts if you are not careful). Wetting is poorer. Tin whiskers is a problem the industry is still trying to fully understand.
    All because some beurorats in the EU listened to one faulty research paper.
    http://www.edn.com/article/CA6355639.html

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  28. Tin Whiskers largely a non-issue now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    While you can't totally eliminate all risks associated with Tin Whiskers, it's possible to make them **extremely** unlikely to occur if you use the right procedures. Proper ways to handle this include using a matte tin finish (rather than a bright tin finish) and annealing the tin. Refer to the following standards for more information:
    * JEDEC/IPC JP002 "Current Tin Whiskers Theory and Mitigation Practices Guideline" (http://www.jedec.org/DOWNLOAD/search/JP002.pdf)
    * JEDEC JESD201 "Environmental Acceptance Requirements for Tin Whisker Susceptibility of Tin and Tin Alloy Surface Finishes" (http://www.jedec.org/Catalog/catalog.cfm)

    Further work is ongoing within JEDEC, IPC, iNEMI, and other groups to further refine industry practices. See http://thor.inemi.org/webdownload/newsroom/Presentations/Sn_Whisker_Symposium_2008.pdf for one example of this.

  29. What? I've eaten silver... by Medievalist · · Score: 2, Informative

    My understanding is that no one has ever documented lead leaching out of a tin-lead solder into ground water. However, silver - which is commonly used in lead-free solders will leach out and is somewhere around 100x (at least) more toxic than the lead anyway. The concept of lead-free solder having anything to do with safety or environmentalism is downright silly... Where in the world did you get the idea that silver is more dangerous than lead? If you eat too much silver, you get argyria, which makes you turn grey and is pretty easy to spot before it really harms you. Lead poisoning by comparison is both vastly more common and far more subtle and difficult to detect.

    I've eaten a fair amount of silver in my day, with no harm done. Hindus eat a lot of it too. And I've applied silver-based cream to burns (makes 'em heal faster). Westerners used to mark cattle by slipping a silver dime into a cut, that way you could check with your fingers to see if somebody had re-branded cattle they'd rustled from your spread.

    Silver's a doddle. And there most certainly is plenty of documentation and research on lead leaching into ground water.